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RedwoodOriginal said:
I think what makes Darby unique is his personality and his in-ring ability. He has a slight edge to his personality that probably connects with a certain age-group, and he wrestles in a very realistic way... like how a guy of his size would. He also takes a beating unlike anything I've seen a wrestler take, and is a very good seller. And whatever you or I may think of the crazy + unnecessary risks he takes, it does set him apart.

I don't think he has been booked well in AEW, but then alot of other wrestlers have been booked poorly too. As someone who has followed AEW fairly regularly for the past five years and can honestly identify all the things wrong with this company; I'd say that he is still someone who manages to standout along with a few others.

He's not on the level of an MJF or Ospreay, Moxley but someone who can be a level below that because of what he offers.
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I don’t know, I think over-time, his bumps have aged even worse so I avoid giving him any praise there - in-fact one of them led to an awakening off William Regal on social media and he never says anything. His gimmick has been the same since his AEW debut from what I can see & I agree that at this point he is better foil in the mid-card or when you need to use him to get heat on somebody else or a showcase for a top guy, with the hometown thing I thought about it again and I think if I was on board with it, it would have been one of their mid-card belts
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Great point. These guys have been as awful as the Wyatts because they have been locked in the same feud seemingly for ages. Yet the Wyatts somehow get fired but these guys don't? eventhough they are on the exact same level. Juts goes to show what a joke of an organization TKO and WWE is; predatory TO THE BONE. And I guess nepotism goes a long way here too.
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All the guys he couldn’t get over are released, in the past talent without plans or TV time got fired and we were like oh damn - but we saw it coming. This is just petty & a snake move from H to hide his own incompetence.

I would actually say the Wyatt 6 are the biggest victims here, wont be easy to find work (maybe TNA), they just put them together to milk Bray’s death before H ran out of ideas on what to do with them, Bray himself was a victim of this because H had no clue how to book him or any star with real personality or character - anything which genuinely needs him to be a proper manager, he don’t know what to do.

I think the MCMG’s will be just fine and they could have done with being away from that clueless booker.
 
sithb said:
The thought process should be simple.

Delegate booking and producing of women's matches to Natalya

Men's top card can be handled by Paul Heyman

Men's tag team should be handled by people who know how to build dynamics in tab teams and not just propping one because they had two people free and didn't have a prominent story line for them

Big nose Haitch can still maintain overall control etc but its clear that he is not delegating
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He makes it appear as though he is delegating on Unreal to try and avoid taking the heat when the cameras are not rolling & now got cover from the TKO top brass
 
shaz619 said:
I would actually say the Wyatt 6 are the biggest victims here, wont be easy to find work (maybe TNA), they just put them together to milk Bray’s death before H ran out of ideas on what to do with them, Bray himself was a victim of this because H had no clue how to book him or any star with real personality or character - anything which genuinely needs him to be a proper manager, he don’t know what to do.
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I think nikki cross will be back as an individual performer. She might find takers in AEW as well. Lumis could have been kept on as a partner with Gargano especially after they let Ciampa go. One more blunder.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
He's politicked so hard to get in power, won't leave till he's fired.
Booking tag division should be tasked to someone who understands tag team wrestling well.
Heyman should only book mainevent feuds.
Vince is irreplaceable.
HBK and Taker even big show can do a much better job than Noseley.
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He was a good booker when he has just NXT to worry about.

The scale now is much bigger and he's probably being shown as lacking.
 
@shaz619 I'd be psyched about this if every good luchador in the business wasn't employed by WWE or AEW

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RedwoodOriginal said:
@shaz619 I'd be psyched about this if every good luchador in the business wasn't employed by WWE or AEW

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Bah gawd, they should recruit everyone from the recently released list lol

Given how well oiled LU was in terms of their administration, it wouldn’t shock me if they managed to find a way.

I think they will need at least 1-3 big names and build around them, any ideas who could get a go?

I’d throw Alberto Del Rio a cheque if he’s not in prison my top heel is sorted 🙃
 
shaz619 said:
Bah gawd, they should recruit everyone from the recently released list lol

Given how well oiled LU was in terms of their administration, it wouldn’t shock me if they managed to find a way.

I think they will need at least 1-3 big names and build around them, any ideas who could get a go?

I’d throw Alberto Del Rio a cheque if he’s not in prison my top heel is sorted 🙃
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Nah del Rio can get lost. One or two incidents are one thing, this guy is a serial woman beater and therefore a coward and a criminal who should be in jail. I fully understand now why WWE didn't want to touch him with a 10 ft. pole. I had some sympathy for him because of the incident that led to his firing from the WWE... come to find out he is just a garbage human being who has a history of this kind of behavior.
 
shaz619 said:
Bah gawd, they should recruit everyone from the recently released list lol

Given how well oiled LU was in terms of their administration, it wouldn’t shock me if they managed to find a way.

I think they will need at least 1-3 big names and build around them, any ideas who could get a go?
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That's the thing - all the AAA guys are locked up by WWE. CMLL has had a fair bit of their roster raided by AEW too. So it would likely have to be guys from CMLL who are not so well known and guys that were fired by WWE or free agents.

I did hear that ol' King Cuerno was out of a job yesterday. :kp

If you're looking for someone as the face of the show, I can't think of anyone better..
 
shaz619 said:
Bah gawd, they should recruit everyone from the recently released list lol

Given how well oiled LU was in terms of their administration, it wouldn’t shock me if they managed to find a way.

I think they will need at least 1-3 big names and build around them, any ideas who could get a go?

I’d throw Alberto Del Rio a cheque if he’s not in prison my top heel is sorted 🙃
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TBH I think they should try to endear themselves to the money mark - get in his good graces and try to work out a deal that mostly benefits them. Tony is known to work with other promotions with the ultimate aim of raiding their rosters... even if he eventually robs some of LU's roster (whatever that will look like) it could be worth it for LU if they can get wrestlers like Bandido, Mistico, Hechicero, Rush on their show.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I mean their ratings are always in the toilet. They have dropped far lower than this in the past few months too. I don't think this is going to have any major impact on their business - good or bad.
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Yeah NXT has been giving them a spank but under MJF they were starting to build some real momentum & the top of the card was starting to look promising again, at least they could go back partially to maximising their potential within the AEW ceiling
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
TBH I think they should try to endear themselves to the money mark - get in his good graces and try to work out a deal that mostly benefits them. Tony is known to work with other promotions with the ultimate aim of raiding their rosters... even if he eventually robs some of LU's roster (whatever that will look like) it could be worth it for LU if they can get wrestlers like Bandido, Mistico, Hechicero, Rush on their show.
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Do you think so, anyone who has worked with him ends up damaging their own product and LU previously thrived within their own niche and unique production. Santos Escobar would be close to the top of my list if they get the ball rolling again.
 
Suleiman said:
I haven’t watched a full show since Cena retired as well, not even Randy and Cody because I knew I would’ve hated the result.

Can tell p well now in build up how the actual match will go. Enjoyed punk vs reigns though, and Balor vs Dom was good too as was Brock vs Oba
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Randy is my all time favorite. The RKO became such an iconic move. To me you and @Bhaag Viru Bhaag are like Cody and Randy respectively. Tag team champs. Brother @shaz619 is hornswoggle
 

Unlike the bum leading the company today who has everyone do 3,4, 5 repetitions of their finisher in a row before the pin. Not just Randy, but many others were protected under Vince too.

Only time the repeat finisher made sense was Rock doing it to Austin x3 to pin him in his final match at WM 19

Or anyone vs The Undertaker in a WM match.

Not every aira ghaira kicking out whenever.
 
Suleiman said:

Unlike the bum leading the company today who has everyone do 3,4, 5 repetitions of their finisher in a row before the pin. Not just Randy, but many others were protected under Vince too.

Only time the repeat finisher made sense was Rock doing it to Austin x3 to pin him in his final match at WM 19

Or anyone vs The Undertaker in a WM match.

Not every aira ghaira kicking out whenever.
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Worst trope of the modern era. And every company does it. Finishers have been b@st@rdized beyond repair, and false finishes have been rendered meaningless. I blame the booking for sure, but I feel it also points towards a lack of distinct imagination/creativity from modern-day wrestlers who don't know how to tell a compelling story and therefore feel the need to resort to an inordinate amount of big moves that they can then kick out of.
 
shaz619 said:
Who remembers when X-Pac was in TNA? I thought it was so cool & unreal at the time, during their little peak if I didn’t enjoy TNA more than the WWE then I certainly could not differentiate between the two, they hit so many nails on the head as an alternative before they bought in the re!ard gang:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2048089777258299670

@RedwoodOriginal
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Is this from the TNA Asylum era? If so, then it might have been before my time..
 
shaz619 said:
Yeah NXT has been giving them a spank but under MJF they were starting to build some real momentum & the top of the card was starting to look promising again, at least they could go back partially to maximising their potential within the AEW ceiling
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Let's see if they can change anything with MJF or Ospreay having the belt. I don't expect this Darby reign to last long. I wouldn't bet on it though just because I feel like they are not going to rise above a certain level.
 
shaz619 said:
Do you think so, anyone who has worked with him ends up damaging their own product and LU previously thrived within their own niche and unique production. Santos Escobar would be close to the top of my list if they get the ball rolling again.
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Forget it bro, I heard they did it because they are selling the library, or making it available to watch somewhere.
 
Suleiman said:


POV: At Zainab market trying to decide whether to buy Fike or Rike shoes to not spend $$$ on Nike :asghar :wenger

Kane’s take on all his alternate versions lol:


Blue Kane is an interesting concept though and a good way to redeem Kane the character after he was misused so much, but 🫏 h is the wrong guy to do it. Can put a lot of big men behind that mask.
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Blue Kane could still actually work if done right since Kane is retired. Damien Priest could pull it off though.
 
WHC belt finally feels like a big deal now that someone who everyone take seriously is holding it. Started getting serious when Punk held it, and now it definitely feels cemented.

Would’ve been this way earlier had Drew held it longer or Damien didn’t get buried asap after holding it either
 
Suleiman said:
WHC belt finally feels like a big deal now that someone who everyone take seriously is holding it. Started getting serious when Punk held it, and now it definitely feels cemented.

Would’ve been this way earlier had Drew held it longer or Damien didn’t get buried asap after holding it either
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Can they get rid of that ugly logo in the middle or is H keeping it just to protect the title he thinks he made in the RA era.

And I become so numb to H’s booking that I don’t feel like I have truly appreciated Punk’s reign or one of the greatest WM matches in history; that or maybe am just getting too old?
 
shaz619 said:
Can they get rid of that ugly logo in the middle or is H keeping it just to protect the title he thinks he made in the RA era.

And I become so numb to H’s booking that I don’t feel like I have truly appreciated Punk’s reign or one of the greatest WM matches in history; that or maybe am just getting too old?
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That's a conscious decision from them. They want their logo on all their belts so everyone can see it when one of the bum mark rappers in the crowd holds up his replica belt during RAW
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
That's a conscious decision from them. They want their logo on all their belts so everyone can see it when one of the bum mark rappers in the crowd holds up his replica belt during RAW
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One of them held up the PSP in glacier silver showing SvR 06 once instead lol Sensitive 4/10 blurred it out
 
shaz619 said:
Can they get rid of that ugly logo in the middle or is H keeping it just to protect the title he thinks he made in the RA era.

And I become so numb to H’s booking that I don’t feel like I have truly appreciated Punk’s reign or one of the greatest WM matches in history; that or maybe am just getting too old?
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You’d think a much as this oaf loved the big gold belt from back in the day that he’d keep it around instead of dumping it… but again this egomaniac needs to put his stamp on everything. May put a W On Mona Lisa’s face too if he ever gets close enough.
 
Suleiman said:
You’d think a much as this oaf loved the big gold belt from back in the day that he’d keep it around instead of dumping it… but again this egomaniac needs to put his stamp on everything. May put a W On Mona Lisa’s face too if he ever gets close enough.
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Trust me, if he was active, he’d bring back the big gold belt just for himself & pretend he’s Harley Race
 
With the stuff that has been the focus of WrestleMania, I feel like Trick Williams has kinda flown under the radar, despite being pretty consistently good for a while now. His wrestling still needs some work but the guy has so much personality, and I have to admit Lil Yachty and him have some good chemistry together. I dunno anything about this guy besides that he's the guy from the Drake meme but he has some real untapped potential as a manager/hype man.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
With the stuff that has been the focus of WrestleMania, I feel like Trick Williams has kinda flown under the radar, despite being pretty consistently good for a while now. His wrestling still needs some work but the guy has so much personality, and I have to admit Lil Yachty and him have some good chemistry together. I dunno anything about this guy besides that he's the guy from the Drake meme but he has some real untapped potential as a manager/hype man.
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Lmao roasting lil Yachty like that is crazy 😂

In terms of celeb status prob around the same level or maybe a half notch below Travis Scott in rap, but way less creepy than some of Travis’s mannerisms
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
With the stuff that has been the focus of WrestleMania, I feel like Trick Williams has kinda flown under the radar, despite being pretty consistently good for a while now. His wrestling still needs some work but the guy has so much personality, and I have to admit Lil Yachty and him have some good chemistry together. I dunno anything about this guy besides that he's the guy from the Drake meme but he has some real untapped potential as a manager/hype man.
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Shawn has done great work with him, a while back I mentioned that Takeover where Oba, Je’Von & Trick main-evented; while that was epic, their acsention in NXT was equally good and something would have to be terribly wrong if they don’t become top stars. Oba credits Shawn a lot, he disagreed with him mostly but listened still like a pro and saw his vision come to life, Booker T has been a great mentor for Trick as well. I had deep concerns after H killed all of Carmelo’s heat - the green goblin came to H and was like ‘go on, you know you want to, lets get at least one of the black prospects’
 
Suleiman said:
Lmao roasting lil Yachty like that is crazy 😂

In terms of celeb status prob around the same level or maybe a half notch below Travis Scott in rap, but way less creepy than some of Travis’s mannerisms
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Hahah.. in my defense, my rap memory only goes till the end of the 90s. From modern day only MF Doom registers on the scale.
 

So basically if you punish this guy h and let other talent in, they thrive and become arguably the best of all time?

Should’ve done it more often- who knows how many careers could’ve been made
 
topspin said:
What do you guys think of sumo wrestling?

I always wished to see sumo meets WWE
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I used to ask myself the same thing around the 2000s but then I learned that pro wrestling itself is very popular in Japan in and of itself… maybe close to sumo.

Japanese pro wrestlers actually influenced plenty of what we see in western and traditional pro wrestling. Quite chunk of iconic finishers actually come from Japan.

Same thing with MMA actually, Japan was the homeland of mixed martial artists from around the world in federations like Pride FC, before UFC took off.
 
Where was this Ronda Rousey when she was in WWE? Only thing I can deduce based on what JC is saying is that her heart wasn't in it the same way. Though creative has to be blamed to a large extent, which includes Triple H and Vince.

But damn she really set Kayla Harrison ablaze lol. What a promo. And I couldn't give two effs about Jake Paul, I am glad that someone is sticking it to Dana, and giving him something to think about..

 
When Rollins told Breakker he "wasn't even No. 2 in his own family", Breakker should have replied: "but you are in yours"

Missed opportunity.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Actually looking forward to El Grande Americano vs El Grande Americano - Mask v Mask

More interesting than anything on SmackDown or RAW right now
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H tried to steal some of Take’s heat & repeat the brawl on RAW, did Chat GPT tell him to book that?
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
When Rollins told Breakker he "wasn't even No. 2 in his own family", Breakker should have replied: "but you are in yours"

Missed opportunity.
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It has been 14 years and still can’t get over, and the only way Seth could get heat in that promo battle was by getting cheap heat through a shoot - who can’t do that?

There are levels to this & Bron showed that £ussy up big time, I can’t fathom a Seth promo even for a minute and skipped to when Bron showed up
 
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shaz619 said:
It has been 14 years and still can’t get over, and the only way Seth could get heat in that promo battle was by getting cheap heat through a shoot - who can’t do that?

There are levels to this & Bron showed that £ussy up big time, I can’t fathom a Seth promo even for a minute and skipped to when Bron showed up
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This was a classic promo out the Triple H promo class off the 2000’s from Rollins, except you got a whiny little suburban pansy who was regurgitating his abah’s drivel, he even did that thing where he thinks he’s being funny

@Suleiman
 
Roman Reigns is the guy who Trips thinks he is; H couldn’t cut a promo like that his whole life. I could see H gave Reigns the 2000’s template from his greatest hits ‘the man makes the title’ but Reigns made it his own & took that promo to levels H wasn’t capable off.

I loved that line where he admits Fatu is getting his shot through nepotism in a way where it can be used against him and simultaneously protecting his character to, his timing & delivery were outstanding.

He deserves the big gold more than H ever did, he should take that W off the title & stick it up H’s behind
 
shaz619 said:
It has been 14 years and still can’t get over, and the only way Seth could get heat in that promo battle was by getting cheap heat through a shoot - who can’t do that?

There are levels to this & Bron showed that £ussy up big time, I can’t fathom a Seth promo even for a minute and skipped to when Bron showed up
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All his quips about Breakker being related to the Steiners were so lame. Even if he had asked AI, it would have given him something clever to talk about. I mean geez, just rewatch Punk's promo to Breakker from a few months ago. This is a match they have seemingly been teasing for ages and I still don't care about it in the slightest. Only acceptable result is Bron squashing him like a bug in 3 minutes and moving on to bigger and better things.
 
shaz619 said:
Roman Reigns is the guy who Trips thinks he is; H couldn’t cut a promo like that his whole life. I could see H gave Reigns the 2000’s template from his greatest hits ‘the man makes the title’ but Reigns made it his own & took that promo to levels H wasn’t capable off.

I loved that line where he admits Fatu is getting his shot through nepotism in a way where it can be used against him and simultaneously protecting his character to, his timing & delivery were outstanding.

He deserves the big gold more than H ever did, he should take that W off the title & stick it up H’s behind
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I wasn't that into this feud, especially because of how they have neutered Jacob in recent months. But this promo got me into the match. Personally I think this match probably should have happened last year... but whatever, we're here now. I love how Roman is still able to channel that mob boss persona, eventhough he is a babyface now. And yet it doesn't feel like he's being a heel. He's just a bada$$ babyface alpha dog. But I have to give credit to Jacob here who had the kind of edge we saw from him when he came into WWE. The cherry on top was the Tongan Death Grip, which I can't even remember the last time I saw on WWE. Did Umaga ever use that? Or was Haku the last guy who used it?
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I wasn't that into this feud, especially because of how they have neutered Jacob in recent months. But this promo got me into the match. Personally I think this match probably should have happened last year... but whatever, we're here now. I love how Roman is still able to channel that mob boss persona, eventhough he is a babyface now. And yet it doesn't feel like he's being a heel. He's just a bada$$ babyface alpha dog. But I have to give credit to Jacob here who had the kind of edge we saw from him when he came into WWE. The cherry on top was the Tongan Death Grip, which I can't even remember the last time I saw on WWE. Did Umaga ever use that? Or was Haku the last guy who used it?
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Same here it just felt like H stealing the good work of others & trying to ride on their coattails but these two got me back into it and as elite pro’s will make it work, at first I was like hmmm not other Jimmy/Jey impression; but deeper into the promo Fatu highlighted his own personality and thank god he differentiated himself away from those guys.

It makes sense why they looked the other way with Fatu now, they were protecting him for Reigns; the one dimensional booker only looked at it one way, but I still feel the Night 1 ME should have been a 4-way between Cody, Orton, Drew & Fatu; they used that night to set-up their future programming but this could have given Fatu some decent exposure and also allowed Drew to ME again, this time as the defending champion; they could have gone all crazy with it AE era style opposed to that lame attempt with Pat McDonalds or whatever his name is.

Good shout, I actually haven’t seen anyone else use it, I am pretty sure Umaga used it as more of a special finisher, maybe Solo left that one for Fatu out of respect
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
"hey chat, how can i be good booker who is adored by internet wrestling fans like taker suddenly is after AAA angle"
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‘Hey Chat GPT, please tell me I am better then a 4 / 10 incher, pretty please’

🤣🤣

I wanted to ask you about Exit 8, is that on your list? I might see it today if I get time
 
shaz619 said:
Same here it just felt like H stealing the good work of others & trying to ride on their coattails but these two got me back into it and as elite pro’s will make it work, at first I was like hmmm not other Jimmy/Jey impression; but deeper into the promo Fatu highlighted his own personality and thank god he differentiated himself away from those guys.

It makes sense why they looked the other way with Fatu now, they were protecting him for Reigns; the one dimensional booker only looked at it one way, but I still feel the Night 1 ME should have been a 4-way between Cody, Orton, Drew & Fatu; they used that night to set-up their future programming but this could have given Fatu some decent exposure and also allowed Drew to ME again, this time as the defending champion; they could have gone all crazy with it AE era style opposed to that lame attempt with Pat McDonalds or whatever his name is.

Good shout, I actually haven’t seen anyone else use it, I am pretty sure Umaga used it as more of a special finisher, maybe Solo left that one for Fatu out of respect
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They should lean into Jacob's past with this feud. They should have Roman talking about how Jacob was a criminal and therefore a liability, who could not be trusted. Then you could have Jacob counter with how he rose from rock bottom to get here on his own by busting his @$$ on the indies/MLW etc... without any help from The Bloodline. And how tough times reveal who your real family is. There's a lot of real life stuff that you can lean into to craft a compelling storyline if you just let these two cook.
 
shaz619 said:
‘Hey Chat GPT, please tell me I am better then a 4 / 10 incher, pretty please’

🤣🤣

I wanted to ask you about Exit 8, is that on your list? I might see it today if I get time
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Deffo on the list. My next watch though is Hokum, which is releasing here tomorrow, and thankfully not banned by the censor monkeys. Looks like one of those films where you should probably go in with the least amount of info. So I'm exicted. Have strayed away from the reviews and only saw one teaser trailer that didn't spoil anything about the movie.
 
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