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This is a proud day for me, in spite of the scandal.

My favourite Aussie player, a leader, a mature cricketer, raised from injury to the highest Office in the land!
 
Tim Paine and Pat Cummins are the missing links for Australia.

Each robbed by injury of probably 70 Tests between 2011 and 2018.

The two smartest men in the team, the two deepest thinkers, two men who appreciate the spirit of cricket.

It’s a real life fairy tale for Tim Paine.
 
From being ready to completely quit cricket and take a job offer at the Kookaburra factory to now captaining Australia, one of the stories for the ages. Couldn’t have happened to a better bloke.
 
Smith - Lehman got Scot free in DRS Gate, got caught in SA.

Tim Paine is the one who stopped David Warner from confronting de-Cock in Staircase. Looks like good mature bloke..Paine, best wishes mate :19:
 
This is just temporary for now, before [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] gets too excited!

What I think is likely to happen is Smith and Warner will both be suspended for a period of time - Smith longer than Warner. Then both will return and Smith will be captain again.
 
This is just temporary for now, before [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] gets too excited!

What I think is likely to happen is Smith and Warner will both be suspended for a period of time - Smith longer than Warner. Then both will return and Smith will be captain again.

Smith has no chance of ever Captaining Australia again.
 
What a roller-coaster 6 months for Paine!
 
Smith has no chance of ever Captaining Australia again.

Which is actually a good thing for Australia overall - he was aloof and a middling skipper at best.

Not saying Paine is the one, but surely Australia have to look for someone more intelligent than Smith and Warner.
 
Hold your horses a little bit. He's just stand-in captain at the moment.

No decision has been taken regarding the long term captaincy for the time being.
 
Hold your horses a little bit. He's just stand-in captain at the moment.

No decision has been taken regarding the long term captaincy for the time being.

It doesn’t really matter.

It’s an astonishing career resurrection.

He didn’t play a Test for 7 years due to a catastrophic finger fracture, he struggled to adapt his batting to his busted bones and nerves, and at the start of this season he was Tasmania’s reserve wicketkeeper!

Year after year we have had to endure that idiot Wade behind the stumps, with all the positive personality attributes of Dave Warner. Or Nevill, a man so meek that he couldn’t lead the team in the field.

Now we have a top quality glovesman, who leads his fielding unit like a grown up. And bats sensibly too.
 
It doesn’t really matter.

It’s an astonishing career resurrection.

He didn’t play a Test for 7 years due to a catastrophic finger fracture, he struggled to adapt his batting to his busted bones and nerves, and at the start of this season he was Tasmania’s reserve wicketkeeper!

Year after year we have had to endure that idiot Wade behind the stumps, with all the positive personality attributes of Dave Warner. Or Nevill, a man so meek that he couldn’t lead the team in the field.

Now we have a top quality glovesman, who leads his fielding unit like a grown up. And bats sensibly too.

Nevill is actually a pretty good Captain for NSW to be fair.
 
Congrats to him. We all thought his international career was over a few months ago. Now he is leading Australia.
 
Don't know about his captaincy or recent batting ability but during the first part of his career he was one Australian who could play spin without looking embarrassing.

He also seems like a leader within the group given the way he intervened in the Warner-De Kock incident. Sort of like a Shane Watson. Good luck to him.
 
How has his captaincy been thus far? If he wants to make this a permanent elevation, a big score is needed.
 
How has his captaincy been thus far? If he wants to make this a permanent elevation, a big score is needed.

Given the only other viable option in the team is Mitch Marsh all he has to do is do well enough to keep his spot in the side for now.
 
Tim Paine and Pat Cummins are the missing links for Australia.

Each robbed by injury of probably 70 Tests between 2011 and 2018.

The two smartest men in the team, the two deepest thinkers, two men who appreciate the spirit of cricket.

It’s a real life fairy tale for Tim Paine.

Hi Junaids

What are his credentials in domestic cricket? Any big achievements? Leadership experience? He did do well in India.

From the looks of it, he may be just the 'Misbah' Australia needs :)
 
Congrats to him. We all thought his international career was over a few months ago. Now he is leading Australia.

All bcz of Duas of Pakistani ppl, he visited Lahore and his career got a kick he needed.
 
As per Sydney Morning Herald , Michael Clark has offered his services as captain and would come of retirement if needed at this tough time for Cricket Australia.
 
Don’t remember him ever performing but best of luck.
 
I'm pretty elated by the decision as well, Paine has been desperately unlucky with injuries over the years and this resurrection tale is truly inspiring.
 
Hi Junaids

What are his credentials in domestic cricket? Any big achievements? Leadership experience? He did do well in India.

From the looks of it, he may be just the 'Misbah' Australia needs :)
Tim Paine was recognised as a mature player with leadership skills from junior levels onwards.

Ironically, he has a Test batting average of 39 but a domestic one of 27. He hadn’t played much domestic First Class cricket when injury struck, and he has spent the last seven years trying to learn how to bat with a hand full of metal pins and plates. During which time, until eight months ago, his record just got worse and worse.

Yesterday was a shootout for the captaincy between Tim Paine and Mitch Marsh. Paine batted sensibly and didn’t get out. Marsh slogged his wicket away.
 
I have always been a big fan of Paine,because of something as trivial as the fact that he,this young,babyfaced guy made his debut in the first test series I ever remember watching.I liked him even more when he came to Pakistan as a member of the World XI.
 
He is not that young , I do not think its long term solution . I feel Mitchel Marsh is a long term solution.
 
Cricket Australia have gone the PCB route. Appoint a controversy free captain who can take Australia out of this mess and restore their reputation. Tim Paine seems to have a docile personality ala Misbah and probably is the right call for Australia at this point in time. But the difference is that Misbah was able to raise his game as a batsman significantly. Can Tim Paine do that and keep his place in the team as a batsman?
 
Paine is a very good guy, excellent keeper and a sensible batsman. Totally deserving.
 
A lot of people were questioning why he was recalled just before Ashes series and now hes captain 6 months later!
 
Which is actually a good thing for Australia overall - he was aloof and a middling skipper at best.

Not saying Paine is the one, but surely Australia have to look for someone more intelligent than Smith and Warner.

I agree Smith was a loner and let his strength of runs drive his captaincy rather than any great tactical acumen. But he certainly wasnt a knob like Warner.
 
I wish Paine all the best but just how long will he last? Captaining and keeping well won't be enough and if he doesn't contribute with the bat he'll soon be dropped. His domestic stats suggest that he's pretty poor with the bat (one century in 100 first class matches).
 
I wish Paine all the best but just how long will he last? Captaining and keeping well won't be enough and if he doesn't contribute with the bat he'll soon be dropped. His domestic stats suggest that he's pretty poor with the bat (one century in 100 first class matches).
Well from what we saw today he can contribute well with the bat.He can easily last till the next Ashes,barring injury.
 
Australian leg-spinner Shane Warne believes that current ODI and Test skipper Tim Paine should not hold on to the captaincy reigns for a long period of time despite doing a commendable job. Stating that wicketkeepers should not be burdened with the responsibility of captaincy, Warne maintained that the men behind the stumps are better suited for the role of a vice-captain. Tim Paine was entrusted with captaincy duties after the Cape Town ball-tampering scandal involving former Australian captain Steve Smith.

Speaking to Fox Sports, the 48-year-old said,” I don’t think Paine is a long-term option even though he’s done a great job in the short time he’s been there. But right now we just need to take stock. We have Justin Langer doing all forms, which is great. Eventually, I think that will branch out to a red ball and white ball coach, and we may have different captains in different forms of cricket. At the moment it’s about trusting the Australian cricket team again.”
Warne also went on to reiterate that there are no issues with Australian team culture and said, “I’m not sure there were team culture problems but I have noticed there is a lot of whingeing coming out of the Australian camp in recent times, about the opposition and things like that,” Warne pointed out. “I think that’s un-Australian, I have never really heard any Australian sides do that.”

“But I think it’s a great opportunity for everyone in world cricket to draw a line in the sand and say ‘how do we want to play the game?’ ‘What do we stand for?’ ‘What’s the style of play we want?’ I don’t think we want to play like the Kiwis, which I heard someone say. I mean, c’mon. The Kiwis, no thank you. But we probably want something in between the Kiwis and Australia at the moment. I want us to play hard but fair, tough, uncompromising cricket, but shake hands and play in the spirit of the game and show good sportsmanship,” he explained.

http://indianexpress.com/article/sp...for-australias-captaincy-shane-warne-5181710/
 
'Shouldn't pick a captain and fit the side around him' – Shane Warne takes aim at Tim Paine

Shane Warne has expressed his belief that Australia should pick their best team first and then choose a captain from it, and added that they 'desperately' needed Steve Smith and David Warner back.

Tim Paine took over the captaincy duties in Tests and one-day internationals after Smith and Warner were were given year-long bans for their involvement in the ball-tampering incident in Cape Town in March.

However, Australia have lost all six games – five ODIs against England and one Test against South Africa – under Paine's captaincy, and the wicketkeeper-batsman's own form hasn't been encouraging either.

"The Australian way is always to pick your best team," Warne told Fox Sports News. "There’s a lot of talk about 'should Tim Paine be in the side'. He’s the captain at the moment. We as Australians should always pick our best team and then pick our captain and vice-captain from that. I don’t think we should just make a captain and then fit a side around him."

Acknowledging the fact that the posts of captain and vice-captain were still up for grabs, Warne said, "I want to see us pick the best side possible. If Tim Paine’s in the best side and he’s the best guy to be captain, then make him captain."

If not Paine then who, though? Warne thinks off-spinner Nathan Lyon is strong candidate. "He’s a senior player," said Warne. "He’s an experienced player in the side, (and) spinners generally think about the game pretty well. Nathan Lyon thinks about the game pretty well."

In the absence of Smith and Warner, Australia's batting line-up has also looked fragile. "I don’t think any of the batsmen have really consolidated themselves … all of their spots are up for grabs, the all-rounder’s spot is up for grabs."

As for the ousted duo, the 145-Test veteran said Australia needed them back as soon as possible, but wasn't sure if they would captain Australia again – in fact, Warner has been banned for life from occupying any leadership role in the team.

"I still think they’ll be back, we need them, we’re desperate for them," said Warne. "Have a look at the Australian side at the moment, we’re lacking in batting so we desperately need them.

"We sort of want to rush them back but they’ll do their time, they’ll pay their penance, their 12 months, and then they’ll be back and be better than ever."

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/813278
 
Whatever happened to the oldies like Bailey, Voges, Finch

Might aswell make FInch debut as Test Captain..

If only Katich was still playing
 
New player charter will be about restoring Australia’s image: Tim Paine

As Cricket Australia (CA) prepares to put in place a formal template for its cricketers to follow as it seeks to rebuild the image tarnished by the ball-tampering controversy in South Africa, the Test and OD captain Tim Paine has revealed a major focal point.

Speaking to Fairfax Media, Paine stressed on the fact that the team charter, which runs separately to CA’s code of conduct, will be about representing Australia the country and what responsibilities come with that.

“It’s going to be how we go about it, how we want to be seen and what we are about. I know a few of the key messages coming out of it so far are that – we are Australia’s team,” said Paine. “That’s really important. We are the lucky ones that get to represent our country and pull on that baggy green cap, which is a huge privilege. I think we have to go back to that and just remember that we are Australia’s team – we are not the Australian cricket team. We don’t own it. We are just here for the ride and it’s important that we leave that team in a better place to when we went into it.

“That’s a very important theme that we want to start to get out there – that we are Australia’s team. That’s one of the things that is really important to us that, that we make Australians proud.”

On Wednesday, a CA board meeting is expected to listen to findings of two reports on the health of Australian cricket – one focusing on the culture of the board and the other of the wellbeing of the team. For Paine and Australia coach Justin Langer, restoring the faith of the Australian public was tantamount.

“I know Justin and myself are taking this very seriously. We want to build a culture that makes people want to be better and produce not only better cricketers but better people,” said Paine. ”If we can do that, that’s the sort of environment people want to be involved in and that culture spreads really quickly through the team rather than having to try and sell your culture all the time – just set that culture, live that culture, and guys that want to be involved will carry it through.”

For Paine, the fact that the charter will depend heavily in player input and governance, and that the Australian cricket team will be held to account by their own peers, was a positive.

“It started a while ago and it’s something that we are still working on at the moment. We are confident that we will get it right and will start to develop great Australian cricket again and have a team that all Australians can be proud of,” he said.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...t-restoring-australias-image-tim-paine-742375
 
Hazlewood and Marsh confirmed as joint vice-captains

Cricket Australia is proud to unveil a new look leadership group for the Men’s Test team.

Australia Test captain, Tim Paine, will have two deputies supporting him this summer, with Josh Hazlewood and Mitch Marsh appointed as joint vice-captains.

The announcement follows an extensive selection process which involved input from the players, coaching staff, national selection panel, and the Cricket Australia Board.

Following consultation with the playing group, Hazlewood and Marsh were among a select group of players who made individual presentations to an interview panel consisting of Greg Chappell, Mark Taylor, Justin Langer, David Peever, Trevor Hohns, Dr Michael Lloyd and Pat Howard.

The National Selection Panel then provided their recommendations to the Board which ratified the decision to appoint joint vice-captains last week.

National Selector, Trevor Hohns said, “I’d like to congratulate Josh and Mitch on their appointment to the positions of joint vice-captains of the Australian Test team.

“Justin Langer and Tim Paine have a clear vision for the Test team, and Josh and Mitch are invested and ready to support the coach and captain on this journey.

“And this was a fundamental part of the process. It was not a process designed to find the next Australian Test Captain, but to find two vice-captains who will support and help drive the team’s goals and objectives.

“Josh and Mitch display great leadership qualities, and we were extremely impressed by their passion and energy to help guide Australian cricket into this exciting new era.

“Our vision is to create great cricketers and great people, and we are extremely fortunate to have such terrific young men charged with responsibility of upholding the high standards and values we and Australian cricket fans expect of their Test team.

“Josh has shown he is a leader among the playing group, and we felt it was important to have a representative from the bowling group. He’s calm under pressure, communicates well and leads by example on and off the field.

“Mitch has successfully captained Australia A, Australia U19 and WA. He is an extremely popular member of the team, he has great humility, and given his lineage. he understands and respects the responsibility which comes with representing Australia and Australians.”

Hohns said the decision to appoint two vice-captains took into account the demands of the modern cricket environment and leadership models from successful sporting codes.

“We believe the new leadership model will best support the captain. It is a successful model used across various sporting codes around the world, and we see it benefiting the group not just from a tactical perspective but also to help drive the team’s values and standards on and off the field,” Hohns said.

“We also feel the new model provides great balance. There is strong and even representation of both the batting and bowling groups, which is important when making decisions which are in the best interest of the team.”

“The demands on the modern cricketer were also factors we took into account, including the amount of cricket they play in a season, to what happens in the event a member of the leadership group is missing through injury.”

“We look forward to the first Test against Pakistan, and we’ll watch with great interest as our leaders lead the team into what is going to be a huge summer of cricket.”

https://www.cricketaustralia.com.au...h-confirmed-as-joint-vice-captains/2018-09-27
 
Situation is really desperate there, I guess. Normally, AUS doesn't appoint Fast Bowlers or WKs as Captain, but now 1-2-3 are WK, fast bowler & fast bowling all-rounder.
 
Situation is really desperate there, I guess. Normally, AUS doesn't appoint Fast Bowlers or WKs as Captain, but now 1-2-3 are WK, fast bowler & fast bowling all-rounder.

Appointments must have been about character and playing the game in the right spirit. Paine has a lot to prove as a player and here is capataining the side. Same with Mitch.
 
Difficult start for him . Playing in unfavourable conditions and missing key players. Will be better to judge him when he has his main players back.
 
This captaincy change reminds me a lot of NZ's scandal that happened in 1994 and they wanted to change their culture and appointed a newbie in Lee Germon, didn't last long, neither will this
 
He doesn't belong in team tbh, wasn't international quality the first time he got selected almost a decade back and doesn't look like anything's changed since then.
 
I think, TP is not that bad a player. Obviously he is leading the side for a different reason, but he first made a comeback as pure WK, in last Ashes, and scored almost 200 @ 48. It's not that they have brought him as Captain, rather he was found best suited for the job in crisis.

Guy has a Test average of 40+ (might go down below 40 after this Test), and a dismissal per Test of 4.5+; both are excellent stats. But, his FC average is just 30, over a 100+ game career, which suggests his Test average won't be that high after couple more series. BUT, even at almost 34, guy is a fantastic WK and makes the XI on merit. We should remember that he was called back at 33, after 7 years as his 2 predecessors (Wade & Nevin) couldn't keep their place.

I think, he'll end up with a decent Test career. He won't remain as Captain for long, but as a WK, at least 3 more years & 30+ Tests are left for him.
 
He was disrupted for over 5 years with constant injuries, which really stalled his development and affected his consistency (hence poor FC averages).

Since regaining full health (I'd guess 18 months or 2 years ago?), he has actually been quite solid with the bat and is a good gloveman. He doesn't have a record of actually ever scoring centuries in any format though so I think he'll only last another year or two until a younger keeper puts his hand up. Unless he suddenly starts scoring centuries for the first time in his career.

Wade has declined and continues to do so with the bat and was never a good keeper. Neville keeps well at domestic level but wasn't as crisp or consistent in the Test arena (pressure? mental fatigue?) and was poor with the bat.
 
Sounds unbelievable to find Australia struggling to find a half decent WK. This is the same land which has produced legends like Gilly, Rod Marsh & Healy!
 
Sounds unbelievable to find Australia struggling to find a half decent WK. This is the same land which has produced legends like Gilly, Rod Marsh & Healy!
Paine is a superb keeper and would have played 100 Tests were it not for his terrible hand injury.

It’s a shame that he is only now getting the career he always deserved, but at an age at which his contemporaries like Alastair Cook and AB De Villiers have already retired.
 
A true captain's knock by Paine![MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] will be a very proud man today.
 
A true captain's knock by Paine today. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] will be a very proud man today.

I certainly am!

I’ve admired Tim Paine for many years, and feared that his career was ruined like Shane Bond and Ian Bishop....
 
I certainly am!

I’ve admired Tim Paine for many years, and feared that his career was ruined like Shane Bond and Ian Bishop....

I am very happy for him too. Whoever wins the next match, it's nice to see that a decent bloke like Paine comes out of this series with the kind of respect a test captain deserves.
 
Proof once again today that Shane Warne is an idiot with limited understanding of men that are different to him. Glad that Paine shut him up, although he'll pop up again as soon as Australia lose a test with the usual commentary about how Paine is not the right sort of leader for Australia and Aaron Finch should be captaining instead with Matthew Wade keeping wicket.
 
Have always liked Paine. Hope he has a good stint as captain.
 
Amazing innings. He could have easily lost his concentration after Khawaja's wicket, but he stood up when it mattered most.

Great innings under serious pressure.
 
Shut up his haters for now.

Haven't seen him much so I'll reserve my judgment for now. You cannot just have a specialist keeper/captain.

Need to watch his batting a bit more.
 
Will bring respect back to Australian team. Don't think he will be captain long term but he will leave the team in a good place.

My salute to you Tim on a good start in 1 of the most difficult jobs in cricket. :salute
 
How long will Australia persist with Paine?

He's clearly a nice guy with a sensible head on his shoulders however unless he starts performing more with the bat his position is going to come under immense pressure.
 
It';s been a tough series for Paine but i must say his conduct as a player and as captain has been phenomenal. He's earned a lot of respect. Bet most cricket fans didn't even know he existed an year ago. Sad to know he's lost all that time due to injury. Wishing him luck ahead.
 
Just a temporary stand in captain. A player who never wouldnt have even gotten to the playing 11 had it not been due to the sand paper gate.
 
Just a temporary stand in captain. A player who never wouldnt have even gotten to the playing 11 had it not been due to the sand paper gate.

Think that’s harsh. Paine is a very good keeper. And has been pretty good with the bat since his return to the team. He makes the team on merit.
 
Just a temporary stand in captain. A player who never wouldnt have even gotten to the playing 11 had it not been due to the sand paper gate.
Yes, paine is nowhere near the best aussie wkt batsman ever matthew wade.
 
Paine is more than adequate as a WK batsman. I'd say he's better than Haddin for one who had a long run in the team. He's however, been asked to bite off much more than he can chew. He's not going to be a match-winner with the bat. Not his style whatsoever!
 
Yes, paine is nowhere near the best aussie wkt batsman ever matthew wade.

Wade gets in as a pure batsman, not as a keeper though. He is one of the worst keepers out there shelling chances for fun. Paine is the better player as a keeper-bat.
 
Wade gets in as a pure batsman, not as a keeper though. He is one of the worst keepers out there shelling chances for fun. Paine is the better player as a keeper-bat.

Agreed, Paine is a class wicket keeper, the team is just too weak, bowlers are not doing much, batting is weak, hes in a tough spot. Would like him to get a 50 to save the game here for Oz.
Wade was a horrible keeper, but if he scoring runs perhaps should be in the squad as a batsman
 
I certainly am!

I’ve admired Tim Paine for many years, and feared that his career was ruined like Shane Bond and Ian Bishop....

I still admire him one of my fav cricketers, this series loss is not his fault. Have followed his career simce his debut, had such bad luck with injury. He does need a 50 here to save this test atleast
 
Lol have u seen Wades keeping, I think Indians are sore losers and sore winners as well, some harmless sledging by Paine has them all whining about Paine
Wade was also like Warner and Haddin, would have given a bad impression to Australia in terms of their image
 
Just a temporary stand in captain. A player who never wouldnt have even gotten to the playing 11 had it not been due to the sand paper gate.

He was already in the playing eleven!

He was playing his 8th Test in three months against first England, then South Africa.

I think we just need to be clear what type of player Tim Paine is.

There are three types of modern wicketkeeper:

1. Superb keepers who can bat to an average of 30-40
Tim Paine
Peter Nevill
Sarfraz Ahmed when batting to his potential

2. Average keepers who can bat well or very well
Adam Gilchrist
Kumar Sangakkara
BJ Watling
Quinton De Kock

3. Iron-Gloves goalkeepers who are good batsmen
Jos Buttler
Jonny Bairstow
Matthew Wade
R Pant
 
Agreed, Paine is a class wicket keeper, the team is just too weak, bowlers are not doing much, batting is weak, hes in a tough spot. Would like him to get a 50 to save the game here for Oz.
Wade was a horrible keeper, but if he scoring runs perhaps should be in the squad as a batsman

He should absolutely be there as a batter since he has done well in shield cricket. Moronic selections have cost Australia this series. Burns, Patterson, Wade, Maxwell have scored runs but are not in the squad. Meanwhile, Labuschagne averages 28 in Shield season and is number 3! The Marsh brothers have got multiple chances despite showing that they don't have what it takes to succeed. Marcus Harris got runs in Shield cricket and unsurprisingly, he is the best batsman for Australia (Though still not good enough). Handscomb got picked in the XI based on his BBL work.

Selectors have also possibly ended Finch's test career by playing him as an opener when he actually got runs as a middle order player for Victoria and dropping him when he inevitably failed.
 
He should absolutely be there as a batter since he has done well in shield cricket. Moronic selections have cost Australia this series. Burns, Patterson, Wade, Maxwell have scored runs but are not in the squad. Meanwhile, Labuschagne averages 28 in Shield season and is number 3! The Marsh brothers have got multiple chances despite showing that they don't have what it takes to succeed. Marcus Harris got runs in Shield cricket and unsurprisingly, he is the best batsman for Australia (Though still not good enough). Handscomb got picked in the XI based on his BBL work.

Selectors have also possibly ended Finch's test career by playing him as an opener when he actually got runs as a middle order player for Victoria and dropping him when he inevitably failed.
I could have come up with a fairly coherent Top Six for Australia:

1. Marcus Harris
2. Matt Renshaw
3. Usman Khawaja
4. Joe Burns
5. Peter Handscomb
6. Tim Paine
7. Mitchell Marsh
8. Pat Cummins

What was the point of investing in Renshaw, Burns and Handscomb only to replace them with a 35 year old Shaun Marsh, Labuschagne, Finch and Head?
 
Actually i liked his captaincy The way he plugged the gaps for Kohli & co. and bowlers responding to it was outstanding. But he lost to the patience of Pujara.
 
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