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Trump pauses some reciprocal Tariffs for 90 Days, Raises China Tariffs to 125% [Update@post270]

Yes why did china complain about USA tariffs to WTO?? If they didn't care- why go around running and complaining..
And why can't they complain and increase tariffs for US at the same time? Now you tell us, why did Trump pause tariffs for 90 days? Why did 'vishwaguru' Modi kiss Trump's 'tashreef'? And how did Trump's net worth drop by $500 million? :inti
 
He has nothing left to defend, so now he is upset that China didn't just sit back and kiss Trump's behind like India and a few other spineless countries did. They have every right to complain and that won't make them look weak. Let him whine. :yk :inti
Nothing to defend. China is the one whining here.. every right to complain.. lol ok got it..
:genius.
 
Because USA is their biggest market and it will hurt them financially. Your deflection of questions are well known in the gaza Israel forum 😂

Oh okay, have you gone through this thread, my comments and everyone else’s comments?

Were you blindly replying with whatever talking points you had memorized?
 
Oh okay, have you gone through this thread, my comments and everyone else’s comments?

Were you blindly replying with whatever talking points you had memorized?
Yes, I have. I never blindly reply to anything. Go through the thread from when the tariffs were applied.
 
Yes, I have. I never blindly reply to anything. Go through the thread from when the tariffs were applied.

You reread every comment that’s not even directed at you, so you should know exactly what’s being discussed and to get the answer you desperately seek to be right.
 
It's weird reading comments on this thread that have little or no relation to reality.

- There's a view going around that Trump planned this all along. He only wanted to target China but placed massive tariffs on Botswana, the Falkland Islands and Lesotho as a joke and is now suprised that the market took him seriously so he's rolling them back. I'm not sure how people are handling that level of cognitive dissonance.

- There are also seems to be a view that China's the big boy and is going to make Trump come begging back. Now China may win this because Americans are unwilling to pay more for their iPhones in the long run but it'll be at the cost of massive unemployment and dissent that they'll have to put down. If winning means arresting and killing thousands of your own people, congratulations I guess.

- I also see hopes that India's going to win big from this. Now maybe India sees some small collateral benefit but the more likely winners at this point countries like Mexico and Vietnam that are willing to do some rebadging of Chinese stuff and ship to the States at lower tariffs.
 
In my opinion, the most likely result is still a mild global recession as companies hold back any investment and capacity creation decisions for 6 months or so till things get a little more clear.

For example, in my company, the decision we're trending towards is to slow down China production for a few months and build up some inventory while we wait for the tariffs to go away. Our CFO was telling us off the record that the lobbyist firm we use has assured top leadership that once China allows the sale of Tiktok to someone in Trump's circle, the trade war will quietly dissipate and we can go back to operating as normal with maybe slightly higher tariffs.

We're most likely going to be doing nothing except perhaps lowering earnings guidance on the investor call and sitting tight. I expect many companies will be behaving similarly.
 
What’s the endgame, forcing China to buy more American products? Besides weapons of mass destruction and overpriced fighter jets, what does the US even produce that the average global consumer wants? Be honest, outside the US, no one’s lining up to drive American cars.

China is the world’s factory, and that’s not by accident. Other countries can try, but none of the West will take that crown. Why? High labor costs, regulations, and overhead make it a non starter. Even if the factories shift to Vietnam, what’s the plan? Slap tariffs on them too?

If the goal is to shut down China as the global factory, here’s an idea, compete. Innovate. Outperform. But don’t cry foul when you’re decades behind on efficiency.

China weathered COVID better than most, and it’s not going anywhere. Unless the entire world suddenly stops buying from China, which won’t happen, this panic is performative.

The “MIGA of MAGA” crowd seriously needs to take a breath.

US makes great cars. Worst in fuel efficiency but great power and build.

Trump’s Net Worth Drops $500 Million As Tariffs Upend Global Economy​

Tariffs seem like simple tools, but they often come with unexpected repercussions. Just ask the president, whose fortune dropped a half billion dollars in a few days.


That’s stock value.
They exaggerate the losses but stay silent when he will recover a couple of billion dollars from this. This is classic market manipulation. One day he crashes the markets the other day they recover emphatically. He can’t lose this game being in power, from a financial point of view.
 
Supply-chain wise companies have long taken the ex-China strategy but the unwinding should accelerate in the near future.

This certainly helps emerging countries but India is uniquely positioned in a sense that it can offer both exports and its own 1.5B consumption market.

Apple already has ~14% of its global production in India and it already announced to increase it to 25% in 2025 itself.

People may underestimate things like these but just to mention things happening on ground level, Foxconn is recruiting people mainly women @3 lakhs / annum ($3750 / annum). The estimated scale is 25K jobs. This may sound menial to people here, but its a boon to impoverished and uneducated people in India. And this is how China also pulled out its large population from poverty.

While policy support, is still need, there is an opportunity to grab for all the emerging nations along with India / Vietnam in Asia. This is the case for Pakistan too. Rather than jumping to support for China, Pak should focus on developing their own nation in these opportunistic scenarios
 
Fox News is learning how tariffs work after they highlighted the story of a small business owner who imports toys for children with special needs. Before Trump’s new 104% tariff on Chinese goods, he paid $26,000 in tariffs. After the policy kicked in, his bill jumped overnight to $346,000.
The segment pointed out a common misunderstanding: “We think that China is gonna have to pay for it… that’s not true. Tariffs are being paid by Americans.”
This real-life example shows how tariff hikes hit U.S. businesses hard—not foreign countries.
 
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He has nothing left to defend, so now he is upset that China didn't just sit back and kiss Trump's behind like India and a few other spineless countries did. They have every right to complain and that won't make them look weak. Let him whine. :yk :inti

What I don't understand is that why would India be in a position to take advantage? The whole premise of Trumps tariffs was to bring back manufacturing to American and create jobs... or was that just another lie?
 
What I don't understand is that why would India be in a position to take advantage? The whole premise of Trumps tariffs was to bring back manufacturing to American and create jobs... or was that just another lie?
Read between the lines. Trump wants to move manufacturing to India. In fact he wants to move the capital of the USA from Washington to New Delhi.
 
Trump me iski haaalat patli Kar rakhi hae. Xi empire is falling

The devulation is deliberate to make Chinese goods cheaper despite the tariffs.

This is an intriguing situation and it depends on your interpretation. For some, Trump has honed in on his actual target and for others Trump has been spooked and paused the remaining tariffs to save face at home - he was compelled to go after China because they retaliated and it hurt his ego.

Either way, which country do you think can wait it out longer and suffer the effects of a trade war?
 
What I don't understand is that why would India be in a position to take advantage? The whole premise of Trumps tariffs was to bring back manufacturing to American and create jobs... or was that just another lie?

It's another lie I reckon. Manufacturing in America would mean the cost of everything going up unless wages in the US dive to third world levels. I honestly think it's all spin to try and negotiate better deals for America with other countries.
 
What I don't understand is that why would India be in a position to take advantage? The whole premise of Trumps tariffs was to bring back manufacturing to American and create jobs... or was that just another lie?

A weaker China is better for India. What is so difficult to understand? Why are Pakistanis and Bangladeshis doing bhangra when China applied reciprocal tariffs to United States? For the same reason na i.e a strong China is better for them.
 
A weaker China is better for India. What is so difficult to understand? Why are Pakistanis and Bangladeshis doing bhangra when China applied reciprocal tariffs to United States? For the same reason na i.e a strong China is better for them.
They understand very well but don't want to accept the reality because it's hurting them :kp
 
A weaker China is better for India. What is so difficult to understand? Why are Pakistanis and Bangladeshis doing bhangra when China applied reciprocal tariffs to United States? For the same reason na i.e a strong China is better for them.

I am not sure these tarriffs will benefit India as much as you might be hoping either. India has always had very restrictive tarriffs as well, they will have to lower these in order for other countries to shift manufacturing there en masse. Then India has to play the diplomacy game carefully closer at home as well, maintaining good relations in the rising south is at least as important as enabling the west.
 
The devulation is deliberate to make Chinese goods cheaper despite the tariffs.

This is an intriguing situation and it depends on your interpretation. For some, Trump has honed in on his actual target and for others Trump has been spooked and paused the remaining tariffs to save face at home - he was compelled to go after China because they retaliated and it hurt his ego.

Either way, which country do you think can wait it out longer and suffer the effects of a trade war?

The US and China are in a multi-front war right now. Its not just tariffs. US has formed AUKUS to counter China in Indo-Pacific. Then you have the deeptech face-off. Huawei vs Apple. China teasing 6G fighter jet, the Space race etc.

Two nations who want to dominate the world. Both have their own advantages and disadvantages but despite the differences, two equally bad nations for ROW.

Its King Kong vs Godzilla.

But the winner will be The Brahma Bull Mahabharat after the reunification.
 
The devulation is deliberate to make Chinese goods cheaper despite the tariffs.

This is an intriguing situation and it depends on your interpretation. For some, Trump has honed in on his actual target and for others Trump has been spooked and paused the remaining tariffs to save face at home - he was compelled to go after China because they retaliated and it hurt his ego.

Either way, which country do you think can wait it out longer and suffer the effects of a trade war?
You and I have things we might agree on and matters we will probably punch each other over.
 
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What I don't understand is that why would India be in a position to take advantage? The whole premise of Trumps tariffs was to bring back manufacturing to American and create jobs... or was that just another lie?
Its an opportunity for all the emerging economies. Manufacturing will move to US and US companies should adopt ex-China strategy.

Its not like there will not be 0% imports to US. For example, Many Auto manufacturers have plants established in Mexico and also utilizing excess capacity from China. And they will move to US now. But low-cost manufacturing is not what they are after like Bulk drug manufacturing / Textiles. They want industries that create jobs. Auto, Semi conductor, Battery manufacturing etc are major targeted ones.

And its not like having manufacturing base in India would hurt them as they can also target local consumer base. While Ford and GM failed, Hyundai/Kia does have a huge manufacturing base in India
 
You and I have things we might agree on and matters we will probably punch each other over.
He is a dear brother of mine, because of him I have learned many things about the culture of my ancestors. We disagree on the future direction of our peoples but we agree that we want them to prosper and fulfil their true potential. I will continue to engage and entertain dear brothers like you, @Bhaijaan @Rajdeep bhai in the hope we can find some common ground which will in turn provide direction to the rest of the masses.
 
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I am not sure these tarriffs will benefit India as much as you might be hoping either. India has always had very restrictive tarriffs as well, they will have to lower these in order for other countries to shift manufacturing there en masse. Then India has to play the diplomacy game carefully closer at home as well, maintaining good relations in the rising south is at least as important as enabling the west.
Trump is a maniac. I am not sure ANY country will want to get into bed with the US after his recent behaviour. I am also surprised that Indians see this as an opportunity at the expense of their neighbour, China.


i have often questioned India's role in the region. After there shenanigans in Maldives, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and even Pakistan they have now set their sights on burning bridges with the Chinese. It is a weird regional foreign policy.
 
i think Keir Starmer had the inside line to Trump on this one. There was a lot of pressure on him internally to try and hit back, the lib dems even wanted to start a populist buy British campaign but Starmer didn't respond or retaliate. He has managed to maintain ties with the US in quite turbulent times and has weathered a few punches without looking weak.

Despite my dislike of his stance on Gaza I think he has done a fine job as PM and in handling Trump.

What are your thoughts @Cpt. Rishwat @ElRaja @shaz619 @Technics 1210 @Rajdeep
 
He is a dear brother of mine, because of him I have learned many things about the culture of my ancestors. We disagree on the future direction of our peoples but we agree that we want them to prosper and fulfil their true potential. I will continue to engage and entertain dear brothers like you, @Bhaijaan @Rajdeep bhai in the hope we can find some common ground which will in turn provide direction to the rest of the masses.
We are doomed!
 
He is a dear brother of mine, because of him I have learned many things about the culture of my ancestors. We disagree on the future direction of our peoples but we agree that we want them to prosper and fulfil their true potential. I will continue to engage and entertain dear brothers like you, @Bhaijaan @Rajdeep bhai in the hope we can find some common ground which will in turn provide direction to the rest of the masses.

Much appreciated Deadly bhai,
Your brother from Bharat will always make dua for you. Next time i am at the Ganges for offering the holy Pind-daan & Tarpan to my ancestors, i promise to make one additional offering in the name of all my Pakistani, Bangladeshi friends for their ancestors as well. Who knows maybe the roots are connected and some of us share common ancestors few centuries back. I will consider it my great honour for the friendships formed. 🙏🏻
 
i think Keir Starmer had the inside line to Trump on this one. There was a lot of pressure on him internally to try and hit back, the lib dems even wanted to start a populist buy British campaign but Starmer didn't respond or retaliate. He has managed to maintain ties with the US in quite turbulent times and has weathered a few punches without looking weak.

Despite my dislike of his stance on Gaza I think he has done a fine job as PM and in handling Trump.

What are your thoughts @Cpt. Rishwat @ElRaja @shaz619 @Technics 1210 @Rajdeep
I think a lot of countries recognised these tariffs would be impractical in the real world and played down the significance. Even if a few like the EU and Canada served up some bombastic statements, they stayed away from actually making the situation worse.

China for whatever reason - internal posturing? Xi's ego? genuine outrage? took this stuff seriously and overreacted. Both sides will have to eventually climb down but will have to bear some pain in the short term. China more pain but more tolerance for it. US less pain but less tolerance for any.

I still think a Tiktok sale to someone nominated by Trump will resolve the worst of the trade war.
 
I think a lot of countries recognised these tariffs would be impractical in the real world and played down the significance. Even if a few like the EU and Canada served up some bombastic statements, they stayed away from actually making the situation worse.

China for whatever reason - internal posturing? Xi's ego? genuine outrage? took this stuff seriously and overreacted. Both sides will have to eventually climb down but will have to bear some pain in the short term. China more pain but more tolerance for it. US less pain but less tolerance for any.

I still think a Tiktok sale to someone nominated by Trump will resolve the worst of the trade war.

Is US going to be so dominant in future decades that it can force a sale of an asset like TikTok? Doesn't China have growing clout in the southern hemisphere which means it isn't at the mercy of US diktats?
 
Much appreciated Deadly bhai,
Your brother from Bharat will always make dua for you. Next time i am at the Ganges for offering the holy Pind-daan & Tarpan to my ancestors, i promise to make one additional offering in the name of all my Pakistani, Bangladeshi friends for their ancestors as well. Who knows maybe the roots are connected and some of us share common ancestors few centuries back. I will consider it my great honour for the friendships formed. 🙏🏻

For the sake of the Ummah it is just as well not every Indian has Bhaijaan's wisdom, otherwise Pakistan and Bangladesh would have been subsumed back into Bharat within next couple of decades. No wonder gulf Arabs are lining up to lavish praise on Modi's BJP. 🥷
 
Is US going to be so dominant in future decades that it can force a sale of an asset like TikTok? Doesn't China have growing clout in the southern hemisphere which means it isn't at the mercy of US diktats?
Who knows so far in the future? As it stands today, yes the US can either force the sale of Tiktok or massively kill the valuation by denying access.

China is actually waking up to the fact that overemphasising investment over consumption during it's last couple of decades of growth has left it rather vulnerable to pressure like this. They've been changing course over the last year and a bit - loosening monetary policy and encouraging domestic consumption in a bunch of areas but it'll take a while. Eventually, they'll want to find a golden mean - not turn themselves into an overleveraged consumptive society like the States (that would bring it's own vulnerability) but with enough domestic consumption that exports don't form the largest chunk of their economy.
 
For the sake of the Ummah it is just as well not every Indian has Bhaijaan's wisdom, otherwise Pakistan and Bangladesh would have been subsumed back into Bharat within next couple of decades. No wonder gulf Arabs are lining up to lavish praise on Modi's BJP. 🥷

Maha Upanishad (Chapter 6, Verse 72):

“Ayam nijah paro veti ganana laghuchetasam,
Udāracharitānām tu vasudhaiva kutumbakam.”
(“This is mine, that is yours,” is the thinking of narrow-minded people. For the magnanimous, the entire world is a family.)


I learnt from my childhood hero John Cena to rise above hate, brother.
 
i think Keir Starmer had the inside line to Trump on this one. There was a lot of pressure on him internally to try and hit back, the lib dems even wanted to start a populist buy British campaign but Starmer didn't respond or retaliate. He has managed to maintain ties with the US in quite turbulent times and has weathered a few punches without looking weak.

Despite my dislike of his stance on Gaza I think he has done a fine job as PM and in handling Trump.

What are your thoughts @Cpt. Rishwat @ElRaja @shaz619 @Technics 1210 @Rajdeep
The UK (like India) is also lucky in a sense. Two-thirds of your exports to the US are in the form of services - stuff like Financial and Professional services. Trump doesn't really seem to count these in his calculation of the Trade deficit. India also got away with not getting stuff like IT services and Business Process Outsourcing services not being counted. The emphasis for some weird reason seems to be on manufacturing and agriculture.

It therefore well-behooved Starmer to stay quiet on this stuff. Not only did the UK get away with the base 10% tariff, it also escaped any tariffs on the vast majority of it's exports. Both India and the UK are keeping their heads below the parapet and making the right noises until the storm blows over.
 
India also got away with not getting stuff like IT services and Business Process Outsourcing services not being counted. The emphasis for some weird reason seems to be on manufacturing and agriculture.

Tariffing IT and BPOs would have made a lot more sense as far as bringing back high paying American jobs are concerned.

Also, Trump hasn't imposed tariffs on pharmaceuticals yet .. one of India's biggest exports to the US.
 
Tariffing IT and BPOs would have made a lot more sense as far as bringing back high paying American jobs are concerned.

Also, Trump hasn't imposed tariffs on pharmaceuticals yet .. one of India's biggest exports to the US.
I think they escaped for a couple of reasons
1. They don't fit within Trump's mental model of Trade i.e. tangible goods being imported and exported
2. They are notoriously tough to tax. A lot of the trade is invisible and tricky to parse into individual components and sources

He does keep making noises about imposing tariffs on pharmaceuticals at "at a level that you haven't really seen before" but it's tough to see how he can do it without a lot of work over several years first. 90% of all prescriptions dispensed in the US are generics (though they are less than 20% by value) and almost all of them are imported...yes India supplies maybe half of them. A tariff there would put a lot of the poorest sick folks in the States at risk.
 
I am not sure these tarriffs will benefit India as much as you might be hoping either. India has always had very restrictive tarriffs as well, they will have to lower these in order for other countries to shift manufacturing there en masse. Then India has to play the diplomacy game carefully closer at home as well, maintaining good relations in the rising south is at least as important as enabling the west.

:kp
 
The UK (like India) is also lucky in a sense. Two-thirds of your exports to the US are in the form of services - stuff like Financial and Professional services. Trump doesn't really seem to count these in his calculation of the Trade deficit. India also got away with not getting stuff like IT services and Business Process Outsourcing services not being counted. The emphasis for some weird reason seems to be on manufacturing and agriculture.

It therefore well-behooved Starmer to stay quiet on this stuff. Not only did the UK get away with the base 10% tariff, it also escaped any tariffs on the vast majority of it's exports. Both India and the UK are keeping their heads below the parapet and making the right noises until the storm blows over.

UK is no longer tied to the EU either which can be a good thing and a bad thing. In the case of negotiations with the US it gives them more leverage to do so, but on the other hand it will have less bargaining power then combined Europe.
 
i think Keir Starmer had the inside line to Trump on this one. There was a lot of pressure on him internally to try and hit back, the lib dems even wanted to start a populist buy British campaign but Starmer didn't respond or retaliate. He has managed to maintain ties with the US in quite turbulent times and has weathered a few punches without looking weak.

Despite my dislike of his stance on Gaza I think he has done a fine job as PM and in handling Trump.

What are your thoughts @Cpt. Rishwat @ElRaja @shaz619 @Technics 1210 @Rajdeep

Starmers foreign policy is highly questionable. And no doubt, he's a poodle of the zionest Regime
 
I think a lot of countries recognised these tariffs would be impractical in the real world and played down the significance. Even if a few like the EU and Canada served up some bombastic statements, they stayed away from actually making the situation worse.

China for whatever reason - internal posturing? Xi's ego? genuine outrage? took this stuff seriously and overreacted. Both sides will have to eventually climb down but will have to bear some pain in the short term. China more pain but more tolerance for it. US less pain but less tolerance for any.

I still think a Tiktok sale to someone nominated by Trump will resolve the worst of the trade war.
Had said this a few days back when this discussion started, that it was more about China than anyone. China is viewed as a national threat, a long term security threat and a global threat. Much more about tariffs. Here's a BBC link that seems to confirm this :


Also locally the US market needs a mild reset. Inflation was out of hand, commercial interest rates are ridiculous 10-12% , const costs are out of whack and honestly the low unemployment rate atleast in Texas needs a reality check. A mild recession kind of situation may not be bad honestly so that the market can return to baseline level.
 
i think Keir Starmer had the inside line to Trump on this one. There was a lot of pressure on him internally to try and hit back, the lib dems even wanted to start a populist buy British campaign but Starmer didn't respond or retaliate. He has managed to maintain ties with the US in quite turbulent times and has weathered a few punches without looking weak.

Despite my dislike of his stance on Gaza I think he has done a fine job as PM and in handling Trump.

What are your thoughts @Cpt. Rishwat @ElRaja @shaz619 @Technics 1210 @Rajdeep

I begrudgingly have to agree with you, there wasn’t a lot though for him to improve on when you look at the state of our country and the 🤡 leaders we’ve had though. He has been the statesman we’ve not had as PM for decades, the other leaders we’ve had would have been on all fours for Trump but Starmer has dealt with Trump like how a father should deal with an over-excited child. On a more local level I didn’t vote Labour - not that it would have mattered anyway, Labour won in my area and has for years, but since he came into power there’s a new pavement on my road, and the neighbouring street has a new road altogether (hope we’re next due to the horrible potholes). He mentioned there could be some flexibility on how the petrol/diesel ban is implemented which is good news and I hope more is done to protect the legacy of ICE motors, it makes me cringe to see that electric BMW advert on YT all the time, their gov seems like bigger twats when it comes to enforcing the net zero propaganda. I was asked to complete a survey recently which was heavily focussed on investment in science & technology, not sure if they targeted me at random or due to an awareness for my connections to the industry, but there are encouraging signs he wants to move the UK forward and improve the growth of STEM. Our old friend @Robert was a big advocate of Keir for all these reasons and he has been proven right, and as much as I like JC; I can’t fathom how he’d deal with all the big fish on the international stage.

However, and a big However, I can’t ever support this guy because he has isolated the Muslim community in the UK and I can’t accept how he treated the MP’s who voted in favour of a cease fire. Plus I don’t feel safe when people like him in power pick & choose various groups over the national interest and don’t treat the population equally; which is in conflict with what a Labour government should stand for, it’s ironic isn’t it when under Labour we’ve been involved with some of the worst crimes to humanity, the Tories are evil, but Labour have a lot more blood on their hands. Until he makes changes in this area, maybe I will vote Labour in the future.
 
And some delusional posters said " Trump is backing down "

The war is Directly between USA and China. It was a trapped set by USA and they succeeded

:kp
 
Nice to see China still not backing down, unlike some Vishwaguru who is busy kissing tashreef to stay in the good books. China owns $750 Billion of US bonds. :yk :inti
 
Short term India will no doubt benefit, I was looking at the longer game in that post you replied to.
Trump’s steep tariff hike on China creates a prime opportunity for India, with its lower 10% tariffs giving it an edge. As global trade shifts and power dynamics intensify, India’s success hinges on a sharp strategy—upgrading infrastructure, simplifying regulations, and securing U.S. trade deals—to turn this moment into a lasting victory.

We don't care if USA win or china ( Highly unlikely) but india should take as much as advantage they can takes with good strategy.

:kp
 
Some Indian idiots want India to take the side on USA - China Trade war. I mean how pathetic person they are. @Rajdeep @Bhaijaan @deltexas :kp
Ind foreign policy is great, a non aligned policy. Relationship with all countries without taking sides. Country first approach and thats how it should be ! Only country in the world to be friends with Russia and US ! Friends with both Israel and recognizing Palestine as well. Friends with both Israel and Iran too. A great neutral non aligned policy !(y)
 
Ind foreign policy is great, a non aligned policy. Relationship with all countries without taking sides. Country first approach and thats how it should be ! Only country in the world to be friends with Russia and US ! Friends with both Israel and recognizing Palestine as well. Friends with both Israel and Iran too. A great neutral non aligned policy !(y)
It's like someone trying to please everyone at once but failing to stand up for themselves when it actually matters. India is playing neutral because deep down, it knows it can't hold its ground. Even you, as an American, know China is the real challenge for the US, not India. And we both know who will be the first to kiss Trump's tashreef when things get serious. :yk :inti
 
US makes great cars. Worst in fuel efficiency but great power and build.


That’s stock value.
They exaggerate the losses but stay silent when he will recover a couple of billion dollars from this. This is classic market manipulation. One day he crashes the markets the other day they recover emphatically. He can’t lose this game being in power, from a financial point of view.
Absolutely, it was market manipulation straight from the Oval Office. Technically illegal, but in Trump’s America, illegal just means optional if you're in power.

Let’s get one thing clear, this was never a trade war. It was never about trade, or deficits, or “winning.” It was about optics. Because the US can’t compete in manufacturing with the world’s factory, China. And China isn’t here for the headlines. They’re playing the long game, and they’re playing to win.

That $300 billion trade surplus? It’s just 15% of China’s exports. The other 85%? Goes to the rest of the world. Their exports make up 20% of their GDP. Will tariffs sting? Sure. Will they be fatal? Not even close. China literally shut down during COVID and still held its ground. But somehow people think they’ll crumble over a 15% hit?

And here's a fun fact, the top US export to China? Microsoft Windows. Not cars. Not machinery. And we think bringing back manufacturing will fix everything? With what, wages that don’t match the cost of domestically made goods? Even if we bring jobs back, who’s buying the overpriced stuff? Americans won’t afford it, and neither will most of the world.

If companies like Apple could make more profit manufacturing in the US, they’d have done it yesterday. But they haven’t, because they're not in the patriotism business. They’re in the profit business.

China doesn’t even have the cheapest labor anymore, that title goes to Mexico. But China still owns the crown when it comes to skilled, scalable labor. And let’s not forget, they’re not just leading in manufacturing. They’re gunning for the US in AI, EVs, space, infrastructure, you name it.

And no, China won’t dump US bonds overnight. That’s not how strategy works. They'll bleed it out slow, calculated. Unlike Trump, who was just out here chasing a photo op to mumble half sentences for his cult to cheer.

What the US should be doing is what it does best, competing. Not sabotaging. Be better than China. Innovate, lead, dominate, don’t whine about where the toys at Walmart come from.

China isn’t going to lose this. They’ve had the patience. They've had the plan. Trump just handed them the excuse.

And about American cars? They’re good, but not good enough for the rest of the developed world. And that’s on US.
 
It's like someone trying to please everyone at once but failing to stand up for themselves when it actually matters. India is playing neutral because deep down, it knows it can't hold its ground. Even you, as an American, know China is the real challenge for the US, not India. And we both know who will be the first to kiss Trump's tashreef when things get serious. :yk :inti
Who is denying that ?? everyone knows China is the threat to US and so you are seeing all these Trump actions ( and China is not backing down per you LOL ) . Ind has never aspired to be a global superpower , so for you to even claim something like this just shows Modi must be doing something right! And yes, will be the first to kiss Trump's whatever - so what ?? If it benefits the people of Ind, thats how it should be. No ego for leaders when representing their country unlike say that Zelensky guy who is taking Ukraine to the swamps.. People first, country first for any leader with no egos..Simple as that..
 
Who is denying that ?? everyone knows China is the threat to US and so you are seeing all these Trump actions ( and China is not backing down per you LOL ) . Ind has never aspired to be a global superpower , so for you to even claim something like this just shows Modi must be doing something right! And yes, will be the first to kiss Trump's whatever - so what ?? If it benefits the people of Ind, thats how it should be. No ego for leaders when representing their country unlike say that Zelensky guy who is taking Ukraine to the swamps.. People first, country first for any leader with no egos..Simple as that..
Why even bother debating someone whose every reply reads like a diary entry during a meltdown, such as this one? There’s no substance, just emotional outbursts dressed up as arguments. No facts, no logic, just vibes and desperation. You don’t debate that, you just point, laugh, and move on.
 
Why even bother debating someone whose every reply reads like a diary entry during a meltdown, such as this one? There’s no substance, just emotional outbursts dressed up as arguments. No facts, no logic, just vibes and desperation. You don’t debate that, you just point, laugh, and move on.
Pot calling the kettle black , just like in the other forums . No valid discussion, just hyperbole. :ROFLMAO:
 
I begrudgingly have to agree with you, there wasn’t a lot though for him to improve on when you look at the state of our country and the 🤡 leaders we’ve had though. He has been the statesman we’ve not had as PM for decades, the other leaders we’ve had would have been on all fours for Trump but Starmer has dealt with Trump like how a father should deal with an over-excited child. On a more local level I didn’t vote Labour - not that it would have mattered anyway, Labour won in my area and has for years, but since he came into power there’s a new pavement on my road, and the neighbouring street has a new road altogether (hope we’re next due to the horrible potholes). He mentioned there could be some flexibility on how the petrol/diesel ban is implemented which is good news and I hope more is done to protect the legacy of ICE motors, it makes me cringe to see that electric BMW advert on YT all the time, their gov seems like bigger twats when it comes to enforcing the net zero propaganda. I was asked to complete a survey recently which was heavily focussed on investment in science & technology, not sure if they targeted me at random or due to an awareness for my connections to the industry, but there are encouraging signs he wants to move the UK forward and improve the growth of STEM. Our old friend @Robert was a big advocate of Keir for all these reasons and he has been proven right, and as much as I like JC; I can’t fathom how he’d deal with all the big fish on the international stage.

However, and a big However, I can’t ever support this guy because he has isolated the Muslim community in the UK and I can’t accept how he treated the MP’s who voted in favour of a cease fire. Plus I don’t feel safe when people like him in power pick & choose various groups over the national interest and don’t treat the population equally; which is in conflict with what a Labour government should stand for, it’s ironic isn’t it when under Labour we’ve been involved with some of the worst crimes to humanity, the Tories are evil, but Labour have a lot more blood on their hands. Until he makes changes in this area, maybe I will vote Labour in the future.


I am of the opinion Starmer is a very capable politician regardless of my own opinion of him or his policies. He is the classic speak softly, carry big stick man. He came down hard on the EDL rioters when Musk reignited the grooming scandal so even if you don't like his politics got to give him some credit for knowing where to draw the line.
 
Trump’s steep tariff hike on China creates a prime opportunity for India, with its lower 10% tariffs giving it an edge. As global trade shifts and power dynamics intensify, India’s success hinges on a sharp strategy—upgrading infrastructure, simplifying regulations, and securing U.S. trade deals—to turn this moment into a lasting victory.

We don't care if USA win or china ( Highly unlikely) but india should take as much as advantage they can takes with good strategy.

:kp

There will be other third world countries coming into play for manufacturing, but India will benefit in the short term, I already said this so no argument there. But BJP's whole ideology is built around Islam bashing, so good chance they will take their eye off the ball and the progress which was put in place by economists from previous govts will be left unattended.
 
Pot calling the kettle black , just like in the other forums . No valid discussion, just hyperbole. :ROFLMAO:
No one can have a de-hyperbolized discussion with you or your kind when your entire argument starts and ends with “Trump made America great again” by slapping tariffs on everyone, only to roll them back faster than you could type your next excuse.

If your big idea is that strong arming China is the golden ticket, then you don’t have an argument, you have a tantrum. You're not debating with facts, you're just airing your feelings. And here’s the thing, no one cares about your feelings, and no one came here to coddle them.
 
Glad that we handled the situation sensibly and proved to be a friend of the US in the time of their emotional need. A friend will never hurt you when you’re in your feelings. #Facts

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There will be other third world countries coming into play for manufacturing, but India will benefit in the short term, I already said this so no argument there. But BJP's whole ideology is built around Islam bashing, so good chance they will take their eye off the ball and the progress which was put in place by economists from previous govts will be left unattended.
I see some jealousy here instead reality. Yes Pakistan will come for manufacturing. Keep living in la la land. :kp
 
There will be other third world countries coming into play for manufacturing, but India will benefit in the short term, I already said this so no argument there. But BJP's whole ideology is built around Islam bashing, so good chance they will take their eye off the ball and the progress which was put in place by economists from previous govts will be left unattended.
People keep missing the plot, China, like the US once did, is shifting into a service based economy. The difference? China’s doing it smarter. While the US was off playing world police, burning trillions in endless wars, and India’s still busy shadowboxing with the ghosts of the Mughals, China was building. That’s the difference between strategy and distraction.

And let’s be real, will China still dominate manufacturing? Absolutely. No one else has the infrastructure, scale, or discipline to touch them.
 
There will be other third world countries coming into play for manufacturing, but India will benefit in the short term, I already said this so no argument there. But BJP's whole ideology is built around Islam bashing, so good chance they will take their eye off the ball and the progress which was put in place by economists from previous govts will be left unattended.
Everyone should think twice before doing business with Pakistan/ bangladesh after what is happening with top brand like KFC / Pepsi etc .


:kp
 
People keep missing the plot, China, like the US once did, is shifting into a service based economy. The difference? China’s doing it smarter. While the US was off playing world police, burning trillions in endless wars, and India’s still busy shadowboxing with the ghosts of the Mughals, China was building. That’s the difference between strategy and distraction.

And let’s be real, will China still dominate manufacturing? Absolutely. No one else has the infrastructure, scale, or discipline to touch them.
I would agree with much of your assessment and to add...

China does copy and IP rights are not protected and it does ripoff innovative products and there is an uneven trade deficit in US and inflation is rising due to Triffin dilemma. Trump has also been consistent with Tariffs for the past 25+ years and wants manufacturing to come back to US, however...

Chinese Industrial base is strong and mature and can survive without the US despite loses. The damage to US consumers will be colossal due to these absurd Tariffs.

China is a one-party state and there is great patriotic fervor, Chinese will tighten their belts and eat grass to defeat the great (Oppressor) US.

US citizens will vote in 2026 and by that time if the absurdity continues, Republicans will be routed and Democrats will control the House & Senate and because people would have voted for them in anger they will have to show spine and act against Trump.

Trump is a direct result of Teaparty uprising due to anger at an African American reaching the white house.

2026 will be a rout for Republicans because American public will see most things increase in price at Walmart and vote.

In an economic war there will be damage but Chinese have seen through this and know that Chinese will last longer then the Americans.

There is already anger against Trump on Tariffs and public opinion is against this policy and Chinese know it!
 
I think a lot of countries recognised these tariffs would be impractical in the real world and played down the significance. Even if a few like the EU and Canada served up some bombastic statements, they stayed away from actually making the situation worse.

China for whatever reason - internal posturing? Xi's ego? genuine outrage? took this stuff seriously and overreacted. Both sides will have to eventually climb down but will have to bear some pain in the short term. China more pain but more tolerance for it. US less pain but less tolerance for any.

I still think a Tiktok sale to someone nominated by Trump will resolve the worst of the trade war.
I like what you have said in the bolded. That's ultimately what it comes down to.
I wonder if XI has something up his sleeve.
 
i think Keir Starmer had the inside line to Trump on this one. There was a lot of pressure on him internally to try and hit back, the lib dems even wanted to start a populist buy British campaign but Starmer didn't respond or retaliate. He has managed to maintain ties with the US in quite turbulent times and has weathered a few punches without looking weak.

Despite my dislike of his stance on Gaza I think he has done a fine job as PM and in handling Trump.

What are your thoughts @Cpt. Rishwat @ElRaja @shaz619 @Technics 1210 @Rajdeep
agree, trump is somewhat of an anglophile, i think the only choice the UK has of securing long term prosperity is greater economic integration with the USA. its tough because trump is so volatile, but if you can promise him a few pics with the king he might just be swayed lol. my long term hopes for the UK arent huge, but other than trying to suck up to the US, i dont see many other options.
 
China hit us with a 34% tariff, because the orange clown racked up 34 felony charges.

That’s international shade with decimal precision.:genius:mw3
 
Nice to see China still not backing down, unlike some Vishwaguru who is busy kissing tashreef to stay in the good books. China owns $750 Billion of US bonds. :yk :inti
I honestly don't get this weird obsession people have with China owning $750Bn of US Treasury Bonds and how it gives them power over the States. What does that matter? That's money already borrowed by the US government with varying dates of maturity.

If the theory is that China will sell these bonds at a huge loss in order to raise Treasury yields and make it expensive for the US to borrow more, that's completely forgetting the role of the Fed. They'll simply step in and mop up any surplus in the market to stabilize rates. That's America's unique advantage in only trading and borrowing in dollars.
 
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