UK versus Canada

[KingKhanWC]

Canadian cops carry guns and other stuffs. They are quite tough but American cops are bigger rednecks.

I have never been to UK but what I see in the media makes me nervous. I am sure UK is a great country and I would love to visit it.

Another + for the uk. Police here do not carry guns and I think this is a good sign of a civilised society, not suggesting Canada isnt.

Ignore the media, their job is scare tactics. There are more mixed race relationships between Pakistanis and British than they are in the US or Canada. I have no data but only speaking from experience of talking to different people.

 

[Syed1]

Another + for the uk. Police here do not carry guns and I think this is a good sign of a civilised society, not suggesting Canada isnt.

Ignore the media, their job is scare tactics. There are more mixed race relationships between Pakistanis and British than they are in the US or Canada. I have no data but only speaking from experience of talking to different people.

So you have no data, and never been to Canada but saying it with absolute certainty just because of he said she said.


I also heard in UK white supremacists roam around beating up every colored person. I do not have any data but only speaking from experience of talking to different people.


See how easy it is to make up stuff over the internet. Stick to the joggers and shalwar kameez.

 

[slipcatch]

Any of you who crossed the Rainbow Bridge (Look it up) will know once you walk on the Canada side, it's a different world!

I do it, at least, twice a month.

It is a different world but that world is limited to only that particular region. Driving further in to Canada, it is just Canada and nothing special.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So you have no data, and never been to Canada but saying it with absolute certainty just because of he said she said.


I also heard in UK white supremacists roam around beating up every colored person. I do not have any data but only speaking from experience of talking to different people.


See how easy it is to make up stuff over the internet. Stick to the joggers and shalwar kameez.

I dont think there is accurarte data on mixed marriages but if you know of it, please do share. It's different to making things up. lol.

I could by 10 pairs of chapli with one pair of my 'joggers' but the point is comfort. Not easy for us who grew up abroad but understanbly easier for those born in Pakistan.

 

[slipcatch]

Canada has pic of “Queen” on their currency.

Canada also has highway called “Queen Elizabeth Way”

Lol

GTA has the best food scene

 

[Rayyman]

I dont think there is accurarte data on mixed marriages but if you know of it, please do share. It's different to making things up. lol.

I could by 10 pairs of chapli with one pair of my 'joggers' but the point is comfort. Not easy for us who grew up abroad but understanbly easier for those born in Pakistan.

Would you consider moving to NA?

Imo it's much better than UK

 

[WC-Passion]

I think I'd stay in the UK purely because I don't have to see Americans everyday and the sport here is so much better. Though Canada probably has a better education system than the rubbish you get here. Also the treatment of the natives and the constant complaining I hear from SOME Canadians about Chinese immigrants sounds pretty awful. Not to mention the fact that it gets unbelievably cold in Canada at times and I can't personally stand the cold and snow.

 

[WC-Passion]

So you think you are better just because your parents moved to UK and you were born there? Yet you continue to be a paindu mullah who fails to assimilate and even supports other teams over England.

I know you live in Canada, so out of interest, what are the biggest differences between the UK and Canada? What would someone who went from the UK to Canada find difficult or awkward to adjust to? I've always found the differences in western + english speaking countries to be interesting.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Would you consider moving to NA?

Imo it's much better than UK

I think there are amazing parts of the US. People see whats on the news and judge a whole country but as you're aware this is far from reality. KingUsama made a vaild point, all 3 nations are great and we are lucky to be living in prosperous nations which have great cultures. I am planning with a friend to drive from NY to LA and see as many towns/places in between. It would only be fair to give you an answer after this(I will bump this then) but for now UK is where I want to be. Main reasons are the sporting culture here and the general rights we have as Brits. I like the US constituation but some free speech part annoys me because you are allowed to abuse anyone and everyone.

If you could recommend any part of the US? NY?

 

[Rayyman]

I think I'd stay in the UK purely because I don't have to see Americans everyday and the sport here is so much better. Though Canada probably has a better education system than the rubbish you get here. Also the treatment of the natives and the constant complaining I hear from SOME Canadians about Chinese immigrants sounds pretty awful. Not to mention the fact that it gets unbelievably cold in Canada at times and I can't personally stand the cold and snow.

Trust me, cold and snow for half of the year is much better than rain all year.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think I'd stay in the UK purely because I don't have to see Americans everyday and the sport here is so much better. Though Canada probably has a better education system than the rubbish you get here. Also the treatment of the natives and the constant complaining I hear from SOME Canadians about Chinese immigrants sounds pretty awful. Not to mention the fact that it gets unbelievably cold in Canada at times and I can't personally stand the cold and snow.

China is a huge economic threat to many countries including Canada. Because of China, many people in Canada now can't afford to own a house. Chinese investors cause increase in house price.

Having said that, UK is definitely better than USA for me.

 

[Pakistanian]

Which has made a bigger contribution to Hollywood?

I believe there are more Canadian actors and filmmakers in Hollywood and even more singers, rappers and music producers despite having smaller population.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Which has made a bigger contribution to Hollywood?

I believe there are more Canadian actors and filmmakers in Hollywood and even more singers, rappers and music producers despite having smaller population.

Britain has it's own film industry. Also all the great epic historical films and tv shows have the English accent because UK has a long history. UK has buildings older than Canadas first European settlement.

 

[Pakistanian]

China is a huge economic threat to many countries including Canada. Because of China, many people in Canada now can't afford to own a house. Chinese investors cause increase in house price.

Having said that, UK is definitely better than USA for me.

lmaooo

Canada is identical to America, at least English Canada. The only areas where the UK is better than America is universal healthcare and cheaper college but other than that America trumps Britain in everything.

 

[Pakistanian]

Britain has it's own film industry. Also all the great epic historical films and tv shows have the English accent because UK has a long history. UK has buildings older than Canadas first European settlement.

But most British people watch Hollywood and Netflix, y'all listen to American music too. The British movie and music scene is more of a niche industry. The best British movies were produced by American production companies and the best British singers are signed to American record labels, to make it in America is the apex of their career.

 

[KingKhanWC]

lmaooo

Canada is identical to America, at least English Canada. The only areas where the UK is better than America is universal healthcare and cheaper college but other than that America trumps Britain in everything.

Sports
Cars
History of scientists
Historic buildings
Tolerance
Social laws

Just a few..

 

[sweep_shot]

lmaooo

Canada is identical to America, at least English Canada. The only areas where the UK is better than America is universal healthcare and cheaper college but other than that America trumps Britain in everything.

Disagree.

USA is more violent than Canada. We don't have constant mass shootings.

Also, USA has way too much drama with almost everything.

I think Canada is more peaceful than USA.

 

[KingKhanWC]

But most British people watch Hollywood and Netflix, y'all listen to American music too. The British movie and music scene is more of a niche industry. The best British movies were produced by American production companies and the best British singers are signed to American record labels, to make it in America is the apex of their career.

Only due to size and finances. Sure Hollywood is the best but it's movies bro , entertianment is low on the ladder of countries success. Like Hamza Yusuf said, at one point jesters, actors, entertainers were the lowest of society and imo they are still pretty low down. I dont understand why people are obsessed with celeb culture. I.e Imran Khan the poltician is greater than any actor or singer to walk the face the earth. Why? Because he is making a real difference to peoples lives, not just an hour of fun.

 

[Pakistanian]

Disagree.

USA is more violent than Canada. We don't have constant mass shootings.

Also, USA has way too much drama with almost everything.

I think Canada is more peaceful than USA.

I was comparing America to the UK.

Yeah we have more violence but we also have 10 times the population of Canada. Other than that America and Canada are basically twins.

 

[sweep_shot]

I was comparing America to the UK.

Yeah we have more violence but we also have 10 times the population of Canada. Other than that America and Canada are basically twins.

Got it.

Yeah. There are many similarities.

Another difference is you guys use Fahrenheit while we use Celsius. You guys use miles while we use kilometers. It becomes a problem for us when we drive in USA.

 

[Rayyman]

I think there are amazing parts of the US. People see whats on the news and judge a whole country but as you're aware this is far from reality. KingUsama made a vaild point, all 3 nations are great and we are lucky to be living in prosperous nations which have great cultures. I am planning with a friend to drive from NY to LA and see as many towns/places in between. It would only be fair to give you an answer after this(I will bump this then) but for now UK is where I want to be. Main reasons are the sporting culture here and the general rights we have as Brits. I like the US constituation but some free speech part annoys me because you are allowed to abuse anyone and everyone.

If you could recommend any part of the US? NY?

New-England/Mid-Atlantic, Midwest and Northwest.

Fairly similar to the UK in terms of architecture, weather, diversity, etc.

My recommended cities would be in order:
New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, and Boston.

Stay away from Southern U.S.A., places like Florida and Texas. Even though Miami and Houston are two of the best U.S. cities, I would avoid that part of the country. The weather is extremely hot, everything is very spread out (like driving 40 min to a restaurant for a quick dinner), and people are generally way more conservative. It is cheaper and overall not bad, but for someone from UK it's a no.

And I don't think you would like Los Angeles. It's not for everyone.

 

[Pakistanian]

Sports
Cars
History of scientists
Historic buildings
Tolerance
Social laws

Just a few..

Cars
We have some the biggest automakers in the world but I do agree jaguar and range rover are better (although Indian owned ) and the Germans make the best cars
History of scientists
The UK is lot older but look at what American scientists have achieved over the last 200+ years and even right now the most research is happening in America by NASA and our ivy leagues and at silicon valley.
Historic buildings
Apples and oranges, the UK is an old country like France and Germany. America is a new country, it's comparable to Brazil and Mexico. There is a lot of native heritage sites that are thousands of years old but they didn't subscribe to the European way of building cities. The New England region in America is the oldest European settlement and you can find a lot of old British style buildings but obviously nothing like England.
Tolerance
I'm not sure that.
Social laws
America and Canada have birth right citizenship (like Pakistan) which means anybody born here is an American, whereas the UK abolished that years ago. Trump wanted to get rid of birthright citizenship but many Americans - liberals and conservatives opposed that cause it's against our values.

We also have no official national language whereas in the UK it's English and that's symbolic of America being a nation of immigrants and multiculturalism.

 

[Pakistanian]

New-England/Mid-Atlantic, Midwest and Northwest.

Fairly similar to the UK in terms of architecture, weather, diversity, etc.

My recommended cities would be in order:
New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, and Boston.

Stay away from Southern U.S.A., places like Florida and Texas. Even though Miami and Houston are two of the best U.S. cities, I would avoid that part of the country. The weather is extremely hot, everything is very spread out (like driving 40 min to a restaurant for a quick dinner), and people are generally way more conservative. It is cheaper and overall not bad, but for someone from UK it's a no.

And I don't think you would like Los Angeles. It's not for everyone.

Florida has great beaches, tropical weather, disneyworld and universal.

Texas has a the best economy, added more jobs than other states, lots of jobs in IT and the Oil industry.

Yes, it's conservative but Pakistanis love it here cause of that. They don't have to worry about PDA cause even the nonmuslims here are conservative about how they dress and act in public. Many Muslims here even buy gas stations in what we call "dry areas" cause you can't sell alcohol, dry areas are certain areas around churches and we have a lot of churches lol. Besides that, you can't even sell alcohol on Sundays and that's the rule all over the Bible belt. A lot of Muslims have made the south home, some of the best scholars are based in the south such as Omar Suleiman, Yasir Qadhi and Nauman Ali Khan. Plus houses are big and much cheaper than on the coasts.

 

[KingKhanWC]

New-England/Mid-Atlantic, Midwest and Northwest.

Fairly similar to the UK in terms of architecture, weather, diversity, etc.

My recommended cities would be in order:
New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Seattle, and Boston.

Stay away from Southern U.S.A., places like Florida and Texas. Even though Miami and Houston are two of the best U.S. cities, I would avoid that part of the country. The weather is extremely hot, everything is very spread out (like driving 40 min to a restaurant for a quick dinner), and people are generally way more conservative. It is cheaper and overall not bad, but for someone from UK it's a no.

And I don't think you would like Los Angeles. It's not for everyone.

Thanks.

Because it will be drive, can I go from NY to LA via Chicago? It will be a long drive so not sure I want to divert back and forth. So for the route NY westbound or southbound?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Cars
We have some the biggest automakers in the world but I do agree jaguar and range rover are better (although Indian owned ) and the Germans make the best cars
History of scientists
The UK is lot older but look at what American scientists have achieved over the last 200+ years and even right now the most research is happening in America by NASA and our ivy leagues and at silicon valley.
Historic buildings
Apples and oranges, the UK is an old country like France and Germany. America is a new country, it's comparable to Brazil and Mexico. There is a lot of native heritage sites that are thousands of years old but they didn't subscribe to the European way of building cities. The New England region in America is the oldest European settlement and you can find a lot of old British style buildings but obviously nothing like England.
Tolerance
I'm not sure that.
Social laws
America and Canada have birth right citizenship (like Pakistan) which means anybody born here is an American, whereas the UK abolished that years ago. Trump wanted to get rid of birthright citizenship but many Americans - liberals and conservatives opposed that cause it's against our values.

We also have no official national language whereas in the UK it's English and that's symbolic of America being a nation of immigrants and multiculturalism.

Indians just own it but in terms of design and engineering, its all British. Dont forget Aston Martin, Rolls Royce and Bentley too.

Tolerance in terms of protection for minorities. You cannot abuse people openly here without some sort of hate crime charge against you. Again it's only a crazied minority but I was watching a docu on some christian extremists, some hated gays so much and openly made protests with the police watching.

 

[Pakistanian]

There are more mixed race relationships between Pakistanis and British than they are in the US or Canada. I have no data but only speaking from experience of talking to different people.

I disagree. There are a lot of interracial marriages here and Pakistanis marrying out is probably more common cause the Pakistani-American is spread out, we don't really have Pakistani neighborhoods here and we aren't a very religious community. Stereotypically, Pakistani-Americans are very whitewashed compared to our Pakistani brothers in Canada

Also a lot of Pakistani men came to America in the 80s and 90s as students and married white/hispanic women for papers, they ended up having kids but abandoned them. I've randomly met quite a few people with Pakistani dads lol.

 

[Rayyman]

Thanks.

Because it will be drive, can I go from NY to LA via Chicago? It will be a long drive so not sure I want to divert back and forth. So for the route NY westbound or southbound?

I would start in NY.

Driving from NY to Chicago is not impossible, it's around 12 hrs.

But then from there you'd probably have to stop around Kansas and New Mexico which are generally very rural areas.

Then LA from NM.

It would be around 2 days total driving.

If ur driving 12 hrs a day then you'd go:
NY-CHI
CHI-KS
KS-NM (lol)
NM-LA

The Midwest part would be boring though so if you don't mind going a bit out of the way you can stop at Denver/Salt Lake City (gorgeous mountain landscapes) or Las Vegas. )

 

[Pakistanian]

I would start in NY.

Driving from NY to Chicago is not impossible, it's around 12 hrs.

But then from there you'd probably have to stop around Kansas and New Mexico which are generally very rural areas.

Then LA from NM.

It would be around 2 days total driving.

If ur driving 12 hrs a day then you'd go:
NY-CHI
CHI-KS
KS-NM (lol)
NM-LA

The Midwest part would be boring though so if you don't mind going a bit out of the way you can stop at Denver/Salt Lake City (gorgeous mountain landscapes) or Las Vegas. )

New Mexico has some really nice mountains and cheaper ski resorts.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I disagree. There are a lot of interracial marriages here and Pakistanis marrying out is probably more common cause the Pakistani-American is spread out, we don't really have Pakistani neighborhoods here and we aren't a very religious community. Stereotypically, Pakistani-Americans are very whitewashed compared to our Pakistani brothers in Canada

Also a lot of Pakistani men came to America in the 80s and 90s as students and married white/hispanic women for papers, they ended up having kids but abandoned them. I've randomly met quite a few people with Pakistani dads lol.

Good luck to them finding their dads lol. Reminds me of a story of a Pakistani married to a black American girl and he took her back to the village in Pakistan, the locals were a bit confused to say the least.

Im all for mixing, the more people mix the less divisions in the world.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I would start in NY.

Driving from NY to Chicago is not impossible, it's around 12 hrs.

But then from there you'd probably have to stop around Kansas and New Mexico which are generally very rural areas.

Then LA from NM.

It would be around 2 days total driving.

If ur driving 12 hrs a day then you'd go:
NY-CHI
CHI-KS
KS-NM (lol)
NM-LA

The Midwest part would be boring though so if you don't mind going a bit out of the way you can stop at Denver/Salt Lake City (gorgeous mountain landscapes) or Las Vegas. )

I like the midwest part so will probably go the route and via Vegas. Hopefuly will arrange it when there is a big boxing fight on so another ticked off the bucket list. . Wont be driving 12 hours a day, there will be no rush. Thanks for the advice.

 

[Pakistanian]

Good luck to them finding their dads lol. Reminds me of a story of a Pakistani married to a black American girl and he took her back to the village in Pakistan, the locals were a bit confused to say the least.

Im all for mixing, the more people mix the less divisions in the world.

haha I don't think interracial marriage is the solution for world peace

Pakistani girls are also quite attractive even though I'm with an Arab girl but if I wasn't I'd be with one.

 

[Pakistanian]

I like the midwest part so will probably go the route and via Vegas. Hopefuly will arrange it when there is a big boxing fight on so another ticked off the bucket list. . Wont be driving 12 hours a day, there will be no rush. Thanks for the advice.

You must check out the casinos lol

 

[Syed1]

On a more serious note...


Things I like about Canada:

-Summers, the weather is absolutely epic no wonder people generally take quite a few days off in the summer. There is lots of natural beauty to explore. Like I have 5-6 big lakes around me within just 1-4 hours of drive.

-Cinq a Sept (5 to 7), in Montreal there is a culture of hanging out on patios after work with buddies and the informal name for it is cinq a sept. Most places have deals for this time period.

-Wide, open smooth like glass highways spanning east to west (not so much in the north because north is a winter wasteland). Although distances are quite large I could drive 2 hours and still technically be in Toronto

-Multiculturism, many countries are multicultural but Canada is perhaps the only country that celebrates it rather than forcing people to be a certain way to be a Brit or American. For example just a couple of weeks ago a major street in downtown Toronto was shut down for a weekend for an eastern food festival. These types of festivals celebrating different cultures are quite the norm.

-Free healthcare, I can literally walk into any hospital or clinic show my health card get checked and go home without paying a dime. Only problem is government does not cover prescription drugs but employers are required to cover it so if you are Canadian and employed(meaning paying taxes) then medical is free for the most part. Dental and vision are also almost always covered by employer upto 80-90%.

-Education system, top notch high quality education completely for free upto high school level. The universities are good, though not spectacular. Three are in the top 50 of the world with UofT being the highest ranked at 20. The entire country is emphasizing on AI, Fintech and Data Science which are new emerging fields and Canada is positioning herself to be a leader in it in the coming decades.

-Tech industry, I can literally work for GM, AMD, Intel, IBM, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Qualcomm, Texas Instruments etc etc while living in the same city which other place offers this other than San Fran and Houston?

Tolerance, the most defining feature of Canada and Canadian is the tolerance of the people and accepting of others despite difference of color, religion or sexual orientation.

Impact on movie and TV production, alot of top actors/singers come out of Canada such as Drake, Weeknd, Beiber, Ryan Reynolds, Jim Carey. Heck even the HBO series with Brit actors Game of Throne is a Canadian production

 

[Rayyman]

Florida has great beaches, tropical weather, disneyworld and universal.

Texas has a the best economy, added more jobs than other states, lots of jobs in IT and the Oil industry.

Yes, it's conservative but Pakistanis love it here cause of that. They don't have to worry about PDA cause even the nonmuslims here are conservative about how they dress and act in public. Many Muslims here even buy gas stations in what we call "dry areas" cause you can't sell alcohol, dry areas are certain areas around churches and we have a lot of churches lol. Besides that, you can't even sell alcohol on Sundays and that's the rule all over the Bible belt. A lot of Muslims have made the south home, some of the best scholars are based in the south such as Omar Suleiman, Yasir Qadhi and Nauman Ali Khan. Plus houses are big and much cheaper than on the coasts.

Yea I know it's nice down south I'm just saying that if a British person is moving to the US, that's the most different place you can get and it would be the biggest adjustment. Regardless of whether or not they are Muslim.

 

[UP]

Canada is home for me. I have travelled quite a bit (been to UK 5 or 6 times). Suffice to say, Canada is the best place out of all. Extremely tolerant people (majority), easy going pace, very community/people oriented governments, vast land and unused. I will say perhaps 1% or 2% of the land is used by people - the rest is forest, tundra or wilderness. Canada holds 25% of world’s fresh water. Canada has millions and millions of lakes (that’s more than the whole world combined). Power house in natural resources which supports quality health and education system. Good policing and justice systems. If you are poor and you work hard - nothing can stop you. Clean environment, less crime and overall a safe and secure place to raise a family. Its not a perfect country but easily a top 3 country. I hope one day Canadian government will implement universal pharmacare and free uni/college education. Since Trudeau got elected the quality of immigration has gone down alarmingly.

UK - I must say it has great countryside but when it comes to cities - they are ugly as hell. Only central London has its charm. I find UK cities a dump. London’s crime is through the roof and reading here there a sense of low quality health system.

Canada any day and everyday. Its just a different world here. When you will cross that US-Can border, you will know what I mean.

 

[UP]

I agree their foriegn policy is much better than the UK but your statement isn't fully accurate. Canada sent troops as part of the occuption of Iraq, the worst crime against humanity in living memory.

Canada did not send troops to Iraq.

And most of the Canadian mission in Afghanistan was for peace and training local forces. Canada switched to combat mission in between and then went back to training. Around 147 troops died in Afghanistan.

 

[Obaidd]

I have lots of love for both countries.

Canada because I lived there for 6-7 years and it felt like home. Top city Montreal.

UK because of its history and legacy. Been there only once. Top city London.

I think the people of both these countries are great and that’s what really matters about a country.

 

[Robert]

A poster wrote

"Canada is heaven compared to the hell hole which is the UK."




UK has it's problems but surely Canada cannot compare to the UK?

I've never been to Canada because never considered it having anything special apart from some of its natural beauty but there are many places in the world with beauty.

Can anyone list some great things Canada has which the UK doesnt?

Space. Incredible scenery. More liberal attitudes. A health service that works better.

Rural people needs guns because of big animals like bears, but the homicide rate is much lower than in the US due to public mental health care.

Toronto and Montreal are lovely clean places. You can stay in Toronto’s subterranean level all winter.

Honestly I think the U.K. is going down the tubes with incompetent political leaders, Brexit and rising fascism.

Were I a younger man I might emigrate. But I shall stay here and fight for the wheel to turn back to decent behaviour.

 

[Robert]

No offence but for me apart fom basketball those sports are rubbish.

In London on the same day we had an epic final at Wimbledon and a few miles away an epic final in cricket. Canada will never have such a sporting day until the end of time. But everyone has their own preferences in sports.

Baseball is a great sport. I prefer it to ODI cricket.

Toronto won the World Series a couple of times.

 

[imrankhannsu]

Never been to Canada so cant comment for them. But this is what I like about the UK (particularly London).

- Multi cultural soceity in major areas
- Halal options are quite common and mosques are many in London increasing in numbers
- Public education is quite good. Universitites are alot and fits all budgets
- Major attractions for sight seeing in London is cheap or free
- Basic food items are cheap like bread, milk, banana etc
- Internet is quite cheap.For 1 year last year I paid £7 per month for unltd. standard internet
- Hosts major sporting events: cricket, football, rugby etc
- Customer service is given high priority
- The maternity wards are amazing
- Public holidays are more compared to other countries

 

[Robert]

I agree their foriegn policy is much better than the UK but your statement isn't fully accurate. Canada sent troops as part of the occuption of Iraq, the worst crime against humanity in living memory.

I don't think that is correct. They sent troops to ISAF in Afghanistan, as did forty other countries, as per UN agreement.

 

[Savak]

I once had a few friends visiting from the UK 2 years ago. They commented that Canada was a good 20 years behind the UK and they also commented that the desi community in Canada is nothing compared to what you find in the UK. But they also commented that the UK was a much bigger welfare state compared to Canada and that life in the UK was becoming extremely tight, very hand to mouth and difficult which was why they were visiting Canada to explore the possibility of immigrating.

One of my uncles was born in the UK and lived a good 30 years in the UK where he became a chartered accountant along with his wife who also was a chartered accountant. They immigrated to the US and initially they were very nervous about whether they were making the right decision. But now when you speak to them a good 25 years later, they claim it was the best decision they ever made because they way they flourished in the US professionally and financially, they could never have dreamed off if they chose to live in the UK. One person rose to the very top echelons in the finance and consulting division at verizon and the wife has become the CFO of a large not for profit organization in the US. They both live in a large multi million dollar mansion with a swimming pool, theatre next to a lake, they have 3-4 sports cars and a boat and over time the husband was able to generate funds to establish a appartment complex where he collects rents from commercial and personal tenants in the UK and gets a sizeable investment income from.

The guy is regarded as the smartest hot shot in the family and he has the best sense of humor in the family. Sadly their wealth could not help them save their youngest son from terminal cancer. But when you ask him about the UK, he complains about racism in the UK and that in the UK, you will not see a lot of Pakistani, Indians or people with color climb the corporate ladders or reach the highest echelons of society that easily whereas in the US if you are really good, gifted and hard working then sky is the limit.

My dad having lived and worked in the UK for 5 years as a a young doctor and is now living in Canada and he finds Canada more accepting and the best place in the West right now if you are a muslim

 

[Savak]

I think a better comparison would be to compare which country is a bigger welfare state with a lot more taxes, deductions for salaried individuals, which country provides the bigger bang for the buck with their health care system

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I once had a few friends visiting from the UK 2 years ago. They commented that Canada was a good 20 years behind the UK and they also commented that the desi community in Canada is nothing compared to what you find in the UK. But they also commented that the UK was a much bigger welfare state compared to Canada and that life in the UK was becoming extremely tight, very hand to mouth and difficult which was why they were visiting Canada to explore the possibility of immigrating.

One of my uncles was born in the UK and lived a good 30 years in the UK where he became a chartered accountant along with his wife who also was a chartered accountant. They immigrated to the US and initially they were very nervous about whether they were making the right decision. But now when you speak to them a good 25 years later, they claim it was the best decision they ever made because they way they flourished in the US professionally and financially, they could never have dreamed off if they chose to live in the UK. One person rose to the very top echelons in the finance and consulting division at verizon and the wife has become the CFO of a large not for profit organization in the US. They both live in a large multi million dollar mansion with a swimming pool, theatre next to a lake, they have 3-4 sports cars and a boat and over time the husband was able to generate funds to establish a appartment complex where he collects rents from commercial and personal tenants in the UK and gets a sizeable investment income from.

The guy is regarded as the smartest hot shot in the family and he has the best sense of humor in the family. Sadly their wealth could not help them save their youngest son from terminal cancer. But when you ask him about the UK, he complains about racism in the UK and that in the UK, you will not see a lot of Pakistani, Indians or people with color climb the corporate ladders or reach the highest echelons of society that easily whereas in the US if you are really good, gifted and hard working then sky is the limit.

My dad having lived and worked in the UK for 5 years as a a young doctor and is now living in Canada and he finds Canada more accepting and the best place in the West right now if you are a muslim

Many non-white actors are saying the same thing. I am sure USA has lots of issues, but quite disturbing that British asian and black actors are becoming stars over there before getting recognised here.

That is the US though. No idea about how the situation is in Canada as it goes under the radar compared to their neighbours.

 

[Savak]

Many non-white actors are saying the same thing. I am sure USA has lots of issues, but quite disturbing that British asian and black actors are becoming stars over there before getting recognised here.

That is the US though. No idea about how the situation is in Canada as it goes under the radar compared to their neighbours.

Canada is very tough to describe. Sure on the surface you can say its extremely multi cultural and the number of desi's who have made it to government positions testifies to it, but there is a lot of racism here as well in the economy where foreigners are just brushed aside in comparison to locals under the "Canadian Education and Work Experience barrier" and as a result a lot of highly qualified, experienced foreign immigrants who come to the country end up doing odd jobs and losing their social, economic status but accept it for the sake of their future generations.

In this regard the US inspite of all its problems and racism gives a lot more job, business opportunities to immigrants. But a lot of very well settled folks in Canada prefer to live in Canada. Like my phuppa is now a millionaire where he owns 4 poppeyes franchise locations in addition to running around 10 other small businesses, it took him atleast 20 years before he could finally reach a state of comfort and proudly claim he doesn't have to worry about money issues anymore and where he could comfortably afford a life style which allowed him to pay for his kids education, daily expenses, wife's expenses, afford 4 cars, to upgrade and renovate their house and to also take time out to afford an annual vacation and enjoy good savings as well. But even then both parents want their kids to pursue medicine and my phuppo applied for US Green Card for their kids because the opportunities for medical students in Canada is very limited compared to the US

 

[King-Misbah]

I have not visited Canada but I assume it is better then the UK.

It really tells when the UK is headed by Boris Johnson and Canada by Justin Trudeu. The UK economy is not doing well and there are shortages of jobs, something that I faced with for a considerable time. There is high level racism and the right wing is a lot more vocal then ever before. Oh and our weather is thrash! It has been sunny for the past few days but normally it is so bad.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Canada did not send troops to Iraq.

And most of the Canadian mission in Afghanistan was for peace and training local forces. Canada switched to combat mission in between and then went back to training. Around 147 troops died in Afghanistan.

Canadians flew Boeing C-17 into Iraq supporting the bombings.

Baseball is a great sport. I prefer it to ODI cricket.

Toronto won the World Series a couple of times.

Baseball is a terrible sport which is why it hasnt caught on in the world apart from a few countries.

 

[Savak]

I have not visited Canada but I assume it is better then the UK.

It really tells when the UK is headed by Boris Johnson and Canada by Justin Trudeu. The UK economy is not doing well and there are shortages of jobs, something that I faced with for a considerable time. There is high level racism and the right wing is a lot more vocal then ever before. Oh and our weather is thrash! It has been sunny for the past few days but normally it is so bad.

I observe that the UK has much higher levels of lonliness, depression that the likes of the US. Canada i would say is somewhere in between

 

[Technics 1210]

Space. Incredible scenery. More liberal attitudes. A health service that works better.

Rural people needs guns because of big animals like bears, but the homicide rate is much lower than in the US due to public mental health care.

Toronto and Montreal are lovely clean places. You can stay in Toronto’s subterranean level all winter.

Honestly I think the U.K. is going down the tubes with incompetent political leaders, Brexit and rising fascism.

Were I a younger man I might emigrate. But I shall stay here and fight for the wheel to turn back to decent behaviour.

The health service works in Canada because they have about 50% less the population of the UK. Imagine that, 50% less load on the NHS!

 

[Robert]

The health service works in Canada because they have about 50% less the population of the UK. Imagine that, 50% less load on the NHS!

Yes but then UK Gov would spend less on the NHS.

Canadians pay more income tax than we do, and more federal corporation tax, and their military spend is lower than ours. So they have more tax money per capita for health and education.

 

[UP]

Canadians flew Boeing C-17 into Iraq supporting the bombings.



Baseball is a terrible sport which is why it hasnt caught on in the world apart from a few countries.

Against ISIS?

 

[WC-Passion]

China is a huge economic threat to many countries including Canada. Because of China, many people in Canada now can't afford to own a house. Chinese investors cause increase in house price.

Having said that, UK is definitely better than USA for me.

Yeah I've heard about it but it does seem to be a lot of tension in Canada about immigration and the ethnicity of those who live there.

Trust me, cold and snow for half of the year is much better than rain all year.

No it's really not. Not to mention we don't get rain all year in England, that usually happens in Ireland.

 

[Robert]

Canadians flew Boeing C-17 into Iraq supporting the bombings.

I think you are splitting hairs here. About fifty Canadian officers were on exchange with US and UK units and served in Iraq. CAF fighters flew escort for USAF sentry aircraft but didn't enage in ground attacks. It's hardly like putting a Canadian division on the ground.

Baseball is a terrible sport which is why it hasnt caught on in the world apart from a few countries.

I find it absorbing. The symmetry (three strikes and out, three outs an innings, three bases) and the way the odds shift perceptibly with every pitch. Like cricket, it is a statisticians dream.

 

[sweep_shot]

Baseball is a bit like Test match. Very slow moving.

But, it can get exciting once in a while.

It is not a global sport obviously. Only a few nations play it.

 

[sweep_shot]

Yes but then UK Gov would spend less on the NHS.

Canadians pay more income tax than we do, and more federal corporation tax, and their military spend is lower than ours. So they have more tax money per capita for health and education.

You are right. Our tax is probably a bit high. Here are our federal tax brackets:

15% on the first $47,630 of taxable income, plus
20.5% on the next $47,629 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over 47,630 up to $95,259), plus
26% on the next $52,408 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over $95,259 up to $147,667), plus
29% on the next $62,704 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income over 147,667 up to $210,371), plus
33% of taxable income over $210,371

Source: https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-ag...rates-individuals-current-previous-years.html.

We also have provincial tax which varies from province to province.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

I live in Canada and just visited England last month for a few weeks (I was in London)

I honestly like Canada far better: in Canada, it's cleaner, fresher and the streets and homes much bigger and posher.

My family and I all agreed that UK is ok for vacation, but it's honestly a very dingy and small place.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Against ISIS?

No, most likely killed a number of innocent women, men and children as many bombs dropped by invading forces did.

I think you are splitting hairs here. About fifty Canadian officers were on exchange with US and UK units and served in Iraq. CAF fighters flew escort for USAF sentry aircraft but didn't enage in ground attacks. It's hardly like putting a Canadian division on the ground.

Robert bombing from the air is no different than shooting from the ground, if anything it's more cowardly. Im sure youd agree if someone dropped a bomb on you.

I wrote "Canada sent troops as part of the occuption of Iraq" - This a fact not splitting hairs.

 

[Savak]

I find the health care system in Canada inefficient. Huge waiting lines, doctors don't offer appointments after office hours and if I need counselling then it will only take place during office hours and not outside it. Plus you pay a lot of taxes in Canada therefore these services aren't exactly free. Plus for whatever you have left in Savings, living expenses are not cheap either

 

[UP]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] - Canada did not send a single troop in Iraq for Bush. Canada sent it jets against ISIS 4 or 5 years ago. That’s all.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] sorry mate, but England is very dingy!

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] - Canada did not send a single troop in Iraq for Bush. Canada sent it jets against ISIS 4 or 5 years ago. That’s all.

It was part of Operation Iraqi Freedom(2010), this was a few years before ISIS came into existance. US troops didn't properly leave until 2011.

Anyway the point was Canada has participated in US wars in many ways even if not directly.

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] sorry mate, but England is very dingy!

Few weeks perhaps wasn't enough esp if you only were in London. But appreciate your views.

 

[Robert]

No, most likely killed a number of innocent women, men and children as many bombs dropped by invading forces did.

Robert bombing from the air is no different than shooting from the ground, if anything it's more cowardly. Im sure youd agree if someone dropped a bomb on you.

I wrote "Canada sent troops as part of the occuption of Iraq" - This a fact not splitting hairs.

Canada didn’t bomb Iraq. I explained this. They flew cover for Sentry aircraft.

 

[PakLFC]

Having visited both countries I feel that Canada is more developed. It is cleaner as well but its sporting culture is terrible. No Cricket and no Football means it can also be a rather boring place to live as well. I could easily immigrate to Canada if I wanted but choose not too. Like it or not Canada will always be known as the poor man's USA

 

[saeedhk]

Having lived in the UK for a year, I have observed the following:

UK
-Plenty of Halal options
-Very high quality of living
-Affordable housing
-Crime and youth violence is a significant problem
-NHS
- Can be boring especially during winter

Canada
-Safe
-People are very welcoming
-Plenty of Halal options
-Great healthcare and education
-A lot of interesting places to visit

 

[topspin]

lol Relax, it's a civil discussion. No need to get offended esp since you werent even born in Canada and dont sound Canadian.

Explain in a mature manner why Canada is heaven compared to the Uk because so far you havent made a good case.

Are you a TJ follower?

 

[RanveerSingh]

Thanks.

Because it will be drive, can I go from NY to LA via Chicago? It will be a long drive so not sure I want to divert back and forth. So for the route NY westbound or southbound?

I drove to New York from San francisco and I took i-80 East. My first night stop after leaving SF was in Lake tahoe. Lake Tahoe is breath taking. After that I Stopped in Reno, Nevada for few hours before driving to Salt Lake city Utah. Even though drive was long but after Reno the free way max speed is 80 all the way to Kansas. In Kansas it dropped to 75. I was mostly doing around 90mph till Kansas. The drive is scenic and freeway is safe and smooth. After salt lake city my next stop was in Denver Colorado.
After Denver my next stop was in Missouri city and then in Chicago. Stopped in Pittsburgh before making it to New York.

Nothing can beat a road trip across USA. This country is made for road trips. The connectivity of roads and services are unmatched. I will highly recommend this. Oh and middle America is beautiful.

 

[topspin]

Which has made a bigger contribution to Hollywood?

I believe there are more Canadian actors and filmmakers in Hollywood and even more singers, rappers and music producers despite having smaller population.

Yes including Drake

 

[Knight_Rider]

Just like most other new world countries Canada lack real culture, history, original architecture and tradition. I ve been to Toronto and found it as generic as most US cities.

Plus its in a remote corner of the world, hence far from other “civilisation”.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Are you a TJ follower?

Who?

I drove to New York from San francisco and I took i-80 East. My first night stop after leaving SF was in Lake tahoe. Lake Tahoe is breath taking. After that I Stopped in Reno, Nevada for few hours before driving to Salt Lake city Utah. Even though drive was long but after Reno the free way max speed is 80 all the way to Kansas. In Kansas it dropped to 75. I was mostly doing around 90mph till Kansas. The drive is scenic and freeway is safe and smooth. After salt lake city my next stop was in Denver Colorado.
After Denver my next stop was in Missouri city and then in Chicago. Stopped in Pittsburgh before making it to New York.

Nothing can beat a road trip across USA. This country is made for road trips. The connectivity of roads and services are unmatched. I will highly recommend this. Oh and middle America is beautiful.

Thanks! This is the route I was thinking of too. I have a bit of a heavy foot, usually in the UK you can hit 85-90mph without any real issues unless you hit speed cameras which detect average speed. Agree US seems to be a great place for a roadtrip. Europe is great too if you get a chance, esp through Austria/Switzerland.

 

[sjahmed23]

Isn't it cloudy or rainy in the UK 80% of the time?

 

[jaf348]

Which has made a bigger contribution to Hollywood?

I believe there are more Canadian actors and filmmakers in Hollywood and even more singers, rappers and music producers despite having smaller population.

Quality > Quantity. Brits have made a bigger contribution to Hollywood and the music industry.

Actors

UK:
Daniel Day Lewis
Kate Winslet
Helen Mirren
Christian Bale
Ben Kingsley
Gary Oldman
Michael Caine
Ralph Fiennes
Liam Neeson
Daniel Kaluuya
Benedict Cumberbatch

Canada:
Jim Carrey
Ryan Gosling
Ryan Reynolds

++++++++

Directors

UK:
Alfred Hitchcock
David Lean
Christopher Nolan
Ridley Scott
Richard Attenborough
Danny Boyle

Canada:
James Cameron
Denis Villeneuve


Heck they gave us The Beatles, Led Zeppelin and The Rolling Stones, let's end it there.

 

[King-Misbah]

Quality > Quantity. Brits have made a bigger contribution to Hollywood and the music industry.

Actors

UK:
Daniel Day Lewis
Kate Winslet
Helen Mirren
Christian Bale
Ben Kingsley
Gary Oldman
Michael Caine
Ralph Fiennes
Liam Neeson
Daniel Kaluuya
Benedict Cumberbatch

Canada:
Jim Carrey
Ryan Gosling
Ryan Reynolds

++++++++

Directors

UK:
Alfred Hitchcock
David Lean
Christopher Nolan
Ridley Scott
Richard Attenborough
Danny Boyle

Canada:
James Cameron
Denis Villeneuve


Heck they gave us The Beatles, Led Zeppelin and The Rolling Stones, let's end it there.

Canada gave Justin Bieber. Case closed

 

[Chasing_The_Dream]

Prime Minister Trudeau - Canada‘s most precious jewel in the crown at the moment

A poster wrote

"Canada is heaven compared to the hell hole which is the UK."




UK has it's problems but surely Canada cannot compare to the UK?

I've never been to Canada because never considered it having anything special apart from some of its natural beauty but there are many places in the world with beauty.

Can anyone list some great things Canada has which the UK doesnt?

 

[Chasing_The_Dream]

A poster wrote

"Canada is heaven compared to the hell hole which is the UK."




UK has it's problems but surely Canada cannot compare to the UK?

I've never been to Canada because never considered it having anything special apart from some of its natural beauty but there are many places in the world with beauty.

Can anyone list some great things Canada has which the UK doesnt?

Let’s not forget the jewel in the crown of North America, Prime Minister Trudeau of Canada

 

[sweep_shot]

Canada will probably have a Conservative government next. Liberals are trailing and Trudeau's approval rate went down a bit.

Election is in October this year.

 

[Nostalgic]

I always found it fascinating that the Canadian Tories, before their relatively recent rebranding, went by the moniker of Progressive Conservatives. Wasn’t this a bit of an oxymoron? How did their brand of conservatism differ from the garden variety non-progressive conservatism practiced elsewhere?

 

[sweep_shot]

I always found it fascinating that the Canadian Tories, before their relatively recent rebranding, went by the moniker of Progressive Conservatives. Wasn’t this a bit of an oxymoron? How did their brand of conservatism differ from the garden variety non-progressive conservatism practiced elsewhere?

Canadian conservative party is not as radical as conservative parties from other nations. It has become a liberal conservative party and hence it is known as progressive conservative.

There is a brand new conservative party called People's Party of Canada and that party is more conservative (led by Maxime Bernier). It is unlikely they will win though; they are kind of radical. You can call this party the Alt-Right of Canada.

 

[imrankhannsu]

Canada gave Pamela Anderson and Trish Stratus...... thanks alot!

 

[shaz619]

Canada gave Pamela Anderson and Trish Stratus...... thanks alot!

Eww, too plastic / fake - they got nothing on Katie Hopkins and Theresa May, looks + personality <3