[VIDEO] BJP leader threatens to ‘slaughter 200,000 Muslims’ over cow incident

[Red-Indian]

A blanket ban is better than these loopholes.

Is a non Indian cow not sacred?

If you give loopholes then rules will be abused again eventually.

Religion by nature is fuzzy. Interpretation depends on Shankaracharya, Ulemas, Popes, Gurus etc. You won't get blanket answers. Hinduism is particularly fuzzy since there's no written single book of scripture.

I think now though, there's a fair bit of clarity. States (mostly in the North) where they take their Hinduism serious and consider the cow particularly sacred have placed blanket bans and there can be no excuse of not understanding. States in the South will not place a ban - blanket or otherwise. If the Central government tried to make it a Central subject and place a blanket ban country-wide, Keralites would laugh at it and continue munching their beef fry.

Just like say Abortion in the states, it'll never be 100% clear.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Cow status as Mother is cultural in India. It is an agrarian society and Cattle holds a lot of value in Indian subcontinent. Traditionally, the primary owners of cattle are Yadavas(Shudra) community and they are the one that benefited from the elevated status of Cow. That meant their livelihood was not touched. Somehow it is twisted as though this cow slaughter ban was an upper caste conspiracy to starve Muslims since independence.
Under Islamic rule in India, Cows were regularly slaughtered and no Hindu could do anything about it.

Migrants and invaders coming from harsher climates would find this Cow worship as stupid. For them eating Cattle is a matter of life or death. In India with tropical weather, they always had a variety of options to eat and survive. You could easily survive without ever eating meat in your life.

The whole issue is cultural. What others do to cattle in their own countries is not a matter of concern for Hindus in India. For Hindus in the West, they have to adopt to the new culture. While they don't eat beef, they cannot stop others from eating it. What others eat is none of our business. Its not their motherland.

It isn't cultural. Just because you are now trying to disassociate from the hindu religion by proclaiming you are a hindu atheist, that doesn't negate the hindu scriptures which prevailed before Savarkar who tried to reform it in the 19th century. You are entitled to your reformist views, but don't dismiss those who hold more traditional Hindu values which prevail throughout India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

A blanket ban is better than these loopholes.

Is a non Indian cow not sacred?

If you give loopholes then rules will be abused again eventually.

A blanket ban is unfair.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Be practical brother, only a crorepati could afford to do it. No poor or middle class could.

So now making meat affordable is also a constitutional requirement?

 

[Statpadder Inc]

So now making meat affordable is also a constitutional requirement?

Be sensible man, what do you expect poor who's source of protein and nutrition is cheap beef, to import it from abroad?

 

[Champ_Pal]

It isn't cultural. Just because you are now trying to disassociate from the hindu religion by proclaiming you are a hindu atheist, that doesn't negate the hindu scriptures which prevailed before Savarkar who tried to reform it in the 19th century. You are entitled to your reformist views, but don't dismiss those who hold more traditional Hindu values which prevail throughout India.

It is dude.

Some Hindus take it too far by worshipping it. Cow is not God and Monkeys are not God. But Cow is a sacred animal for Hindus and it is given the status of mother. Same for Jains. Even Buddhists consider it sacred. But their primary sacred animal is Elephant.
Sikhs do not eat beef. They do not consider cow sacred, but they sure respect the culture enough to not eat beef.

I am no reformist. I only post what I have read and learnt all through my life.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It is dude.

Some Hindus take it too far by worshipping it. Cow is not God and Monkeys are not God. But Cow is a sacred animal for Hindus and it is given the status of mother. Same for Jains. Even Buddhists consider it sacred. But their primary sacred animal is Elephant.
Sikhs do not eat beef. They do not consider cow sacred, but they sure respect the culture enough to not eat beef.

I am no reformist. I only post what I have read and learnt all through my life.

You are not really making much sense. In one breath you are claiming Hinduism is a culture not a religion, in the next you are claiming cows and elephants are sacred animals.

 

[Champ_Pal]

You are not really making much sense. In one breath you are claiming Hinduism is a culture not a religion, in the next you are claiming cows and elephants are sacred animals.

Hinduism is a culture. Its called Sanatana Dharma. We all simply call it as Hinduism for the convenience of grouping and ease of understanding.

If you do not know, just read for yourself. Most of this is available in internet. Elephants are sacred to Buddhists.

I do support Savarkar who ridiculed the superstitions and rituals in Hinduism. Meaningless rituals are a waste of time.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

A blanket ban is unfair.

This type of thing should be all or nothing.

 

[pillionrider]

Why is there so much restriction on the consumption of dog meat in the western world? People should be free to eat what they want, but why even the paragons of freedom also restrict it?

Is there any restriction by law. You might be socially shamed if you're outed for chewing on a canine, but is there prison time waiting for you?

What's on my plate usually doesn't care about your feelings.

The only time anyone should care is if they're tied to a bed and force fed something that offends them. But usually, if you're in a situation like that, it means you've got bigger problems than eating something that offends your feelings

 

[Shaheenthefalcon]

I wonder how we would feel…if hindus in our country start selling n eating pigs.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Is there any restriction by law. You might be socially shamed if you're outed for chewing on a canine, but is there prison time waiting for you?

What's on my plate usually doesn't care about your feelings.

The only time anyone should care is if they're tied to a bed and force fed something that offends them. But usually, if you're in a situation like that, it means you've got bigger problems than eating something that offends your feelings

Keep yourself updated: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/6720/text

 

[pillionrider]

Keep yourself updated: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/6720/text

lol at the sharp retort but I don't live there so don't care to be updated. Just asking a question fren

 

[CricketCartoons]

lol at the sharp retort but I don't live there so don't care to be updated. Just asking a question fren

That was no retort. I live in perpetual ignorance myself.

You will never hear debates and discussions on how in US, the govt has decided what to eat and what not to eat.

This pontification is only reserved for indian hindus, the worlds favourite punching bags, even of self proclaimed secular hindus who don't have guts to show a spine to others, so they take it out on the hindus, knowing well that they can get away with it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Hinduism is a culture. Its called Sanatana Dharma. We all simply call it as Hinduism for the convenience of grouping and ease of understanding.

If you do not know, just read for yourself. Most of this is available in internet. Elephants are sacred to Buddhists.

I do support Savarkar who ridiculed the superstitions and rituals in Hinduism. Meaningless rituals are a waste of time.

You might believe rituals are meaningless and a waste of time, but clearly many Hindus don't. So while it is fine for you to want to follow a reformist version of Hinduism where you can call it culture, clearly many Hindus still believe it is a religion. India is probably the most superstitious country in the world so that kind of flies in the face of what you are claiming.

 

[RexRex]

Once the cow is dead, it is dead. Importing its meat makes no difference.

Cow meat is holy, dead or alive.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Cow meat is holy, dead or alive.

Cow alive is holy and has utility. Cow dead is just another dead animal.

 

[Champ_Pal]

You might believe rituals are meaningless and a waste of time, but clearly many Hindus don't. So while it is fine for you to want to follow a reformist version of Hinduism where you can call it culture, clearly many Hindus still believe it is a religion. India is probably the most superstitious country in the world so that kind of flies in the face of what you are claiming.

Religion itself is superstition.

The more religious you are, the more superstitious you are.

 

[Red-Indian]

Cow alive is holy and has utility. Cow dead is just another dead animal.

That's a very individual interpretation of Hinduism you have. Try getting a Hindu non-vegetarian to eat cow meat and let me know if he/she agrees it's just another dead animal and takes a bite. The most common interpretation in Hinduism is both that the cow itself is sacred and that cow meat is taboo. Most Hindus will also avoid Buffalo meat just in case just like Muslims will avoid meat in places they're not sure of in case it's not halal.

Over all, it's pretty clear Hinduism has chosen cow slaughter as a subject to express it's new found muscularity about as a matter of happenstance. Could've been anything - there's lots of such silly rules in every religion but cow slaughter has been chosen by public consensus as red line. Since religious Hindus are the vast majority in India, all of us will have to respect their wishes.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Once the cow is dead, it is dead. Importing its meat makes no difference. I think the issue is killing a live cow in the land of India.

Lol... So do you think India only import meats of dead cow.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Religion itself is superstition.

The more religious you are, the more superstitious you are.

Exactly. So you have just reinforced my point that hinduism is a religion as India is probably the most superstitious country in the world. Even Imran Khan used to consult horoscopes and such in his early days after leaving cricket. He still might as far as I know.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Exactly. So you have just reinforced my point that hinduism is a religion as India is probably the most superstitious country in the world. Even Imran Khan used to consult horoscopes and such in his early days after leaving cricket. He still might as far as I know.

Modern Hinduism is a religion. It wasn't always this way. I consider Hindu religion as a culture as it is very diverse. People in North may not even know the names of the Gods worshipped in South. Many deities are exclusive to certain small areas. What we call Hinduism today is just a front face of all those local cultures. The commonality among them is the Brahminical texts and folklores. They are the ones that hold the entire religion and culture together.

I may get some backlash for saying this. I believe Lord Rama was thrusted forward by Brahmins as a counter to Prophet Muhammad. Ramayana is just an Indian epic with virtuous Rama as a hero.

When Arabs first and later on Turks were invading India, they had Prophet Muhamad as an idol to emulate. Hindus had none. They only had various philosophies like Shivism, Buddhism, Jainism etc. King Rama was a common hero for all Indian philosophies and thoughts of school. So Rama was thrusted to the forefront for every boy and man to emulate. Brahmins later elevated him as a God reincarnation.

Old Sanatana Dharma is very different to modern Hinduism. The followers of Sanatana Dharma were forced to organize themselves as a religion to counter Abrahamic onslaught since 8th century. It was a slow process that took centuries to evolve.
To me, Adi Shankara from South India was the first person to organize Sanatana Dharma. He went across India to establish various Shakti peethas. The first attempt to organize the culture as a religion.

As a Muslim, you might think that Islam is the only truth. To me, it is no different to any other religion or belief system. Only difference is that it is very rigid.

 

[Dhakar Pola]

Reading all these responses and thinking I can't eat cow anymore because of high cholesterol

 

[Champ_Pal]

Reading all these responses and thinking I can't eat cow anymore because of high cholesterol

Red meat is terrible for heart health.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Red meat is terrible for heart health.

Not really if taken in a balanced quantity, although manifold better than pork meat scientifically and hygienically

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Lol...now should muslims also threaten to kill 200,000 individuals as someone has 'hurt' their feelings
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Free Liquor At BJP MP's Post-Poll Event Sparks Political Row In Karnataka

Crate after crate of liquor bottles, long queues of men waiting for their turn and police providing security at the event -- a thanskgiving event organised by supporters of Karnataka BJP MP and former minister K Sudhakar has drawn criticism for free and public distribution of liquor.

The Chikkballapur MP's supporters organised the event to thank people for his victory in the recently-held general election. BJP's K Sudhakar defeated Congress MS Raksha Ramaiah by a margin of more than 1.6 lakh votes.

Deputy Chief Minister and Congress leader DK Shivakumar said BJP national president JP Nadda must issue a clarification. "I don't want the local leaders to... I want the BJP national president to issue a clarification," he said, adding that "this is the culture of the BJP".

Asked if the state government will take steps in this matter under the state excise policy, the Deputy Chief Minister said, "That is the next point. First, let the party answer."

At the centre of the row, Mr Sudhakar said he is not aware if liquor was distributed by the organisers of the event or those attending it brought their drinks along. He added that he had no connection to this. "If this was done by workers of our party or the JDS, it's wrong. In my 25 years in politics, I have never distributed alcohol during elections or at any event. I have no connection to this issue. This has brought me pain," he said.

"In the future too, be it any event or election campaign, alcohol must not be served. Serving alcohol like this is an offence and a blunder. I have spoken to them (organisers) over the phone last night."

Visuals from the event show long queues and rush among people to collect liquor bottles. What's bizarre is that Mr Sudhakar had written to the local police ahead of the event, seeking police deployment for the event. And this letter mentioned that food and liquor will be served at the event. A big question then is why the event was allowed and cops deployed.

Commenting on the row over liquor distribution, CN Ashwath Narayan, former minister and BJP MLA said, "We can't blame anybody unless this is properly looked into. If there is a system, the government would have fixed responsibility. If the government feels whatever has happened (is wrong), let them take action."

Source:NDTV

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Modern Hinduism is a religion. It wasn't always this way. I consider Hindu religion as a culture as it is very diverse. People in North may not even know the names of the Gods worshipped in South. Many deities are exclusive to certain small areas. What we call Hinduism today is just a front face of all those local cultures. The commonality among them is the Brahminical texts and folklores. They are the ones that hold the entire religion and culture together.

I may get some backlash for saying this. I believe Lord Rama was thrusted forward by Brahmins as a counter to Prophet Muhammad. Ramayana is just an Indian epic with virtuous Rama as a hero.

When Arabs first and later on Turks were invading India, they had Prophet Muhamad as an idol to emulate. Hindus had none. They only had various philosophies like Shivism, Buddhism, Jainism etc. King Rama was a common hero for all Indian philosophies and thoughts of school. So Rama was thrusted to the forefront for every boy and man to emulate. Brahmins later elevated him as a God reincarnation.

Old Sanatana Dharma is very different to modern Hinduism. The followers of Sanatana Dharma were forced to organize themselves as a religion to counter Abrahamic onslaught since 8th century. It was a slow process that took centuries to evolve.
To me, Adi Shankara from South India was the first person to organize Sanatana Dharma. He went across India to establish various Shakti peethas. The first attempt to organize the culture as a religion.

As a Muslim, you might think that Islam is the only truth. To me, it is no different to any other religion or belief system. Only difference is that it is very rigid.

You are entitled to call hinduism a religion, culture, pastime or whatever you like, as long as we can agree that is your own personal take.

For me to accept official termination of Hindu religion I would have to refer back to genuine historical records and that would mean the various Hindu texts through the centuries. Everything else is just random opinion.

 

[Justcrazy]

It is dude.

Some Hindus take it too far by worshipping it. Cow is not God and Monkeys are not God. But Cow is a sacred animal for Hindus and it is given the status of mother. Same for Jains. Even Buddhists consider it sacred. But their primary sacred animal is Elephant.
Sikhs do not eat beef. They do not consider cow sacred, but they sure respect the culture enough to not eat beef.

I am no reformist. I only post what I have read and learnt all through my life.

Jains are strict vegetarians , its not limited to cow for them.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Jains are strict vegetarians , its not limited to cow for them.

Cow is still sacred for them. The rest of the animals are not sacred. They consider Jeeva Himsa (Animal toruture) bad.

 

[JaDed]

Jains are strict vegetarians , its not limited to cow for them.

You will never see Jains indulge in violence, their most radical orthodox monks go out of their way to be no. violent and not even killing bacteria or insects.

 

[Stewie]

I had a nice juicy cheeseburger today with a Hindu friend who enjoyed it as much as I did. Such a blessing to be living in a country where such freedoms are open to everyone regardless of religion.

 

[JaDed]

I had a nice juicy cheeseburger today with a Hindu friend who enjoyed it as much as I did. Such a blessing to be living in a country where such freedoms are open to everyone regardless of religion.

lol is Dog meat allowed in all the states? In 44 states its banned.

 

[uppercut]

That was no retort. I live in perpetual ignorance myself.

You will never hear debates and discussions on how in US, the govt has decided what to eat and what not to eat.

This pontification is only reserved for indian hindus, the worlds favourite punching bags, even of self proclaimed secular hindus who don't have guts to show a spine to others, so they take it out on the hindus, knowing well that they can get away with it.

now thats a tight e-slap to the usual suspects.... epic.

 

[Stewie]

lol is Dog meat allowed in all the states? In 44 states its banned.

I dont know, I dont eat dog. Maybe once there are enough dog meat meaters in the country they will legalize it. They eat alligators, and all kinds of other animals in this country. I dont see how dog would be a problem.

 

[JaDed]

I dont know, I dont eat dog. Maybe once there are enough dog meat meaters in the country they will legalize it. They eat alligators, and all kinds of other animals in this country. I dont see how dog would be a problem.

You should ask the 44 states that have it banned.

There are banned meats in USa fr example beluga whales can only be consumed in some parts of Alaska only during certain seasons, its banned in mainland USA.

So lets not act that US allows everything to be eaten among Animals, they have consuming of selling of many animals banned.

They banned it even when there was demand

 

[uppercut]

@Statpadder Inc

gentle reminder.

Fine, my beliefs don't matter if they affect others. But your beliefs matter even if they affect others?

How does that work?

He did when he said more than once that his beliefs/rights trump over others in such matters. Ohh he also says he is the tolerant and ofcourse the secular one. See post 161.

Good luck arguing with such specimens.

 

[sweep_shot]

You should ask the 44 states that have it banned.

There are banned meats in USa fr example beluga whales can only be consumed in some parts of Alaska only during certain seasons, its banned in mainland USA.

So lets not act that US allows everything to be eaten among Animals, they have consuming of selling of many animals banned.

They banned it even when there was demand

American ban has nothing to do with any religion I believe. It is probably because Beluga Whale is at risk of being extinct.

 

[JaDed]

American ban has nothing to do with any religion I believe. It is probably because Beluga Whale is at risk of being extinct.

Irrelevant coz they have a ban inspite of demand for the meat.
They very reason it was going extinct is because of consumption..

Btw a very adorable and intelligent whale that is

 

[JaDed]

Horse meat is generally not consumed in English speaking countries and there is a weird silent ban on it in USA..
The idea that only India has banned meat is silly

 

[Stewie]

No matter what the case, I’m going to have a nice juice hamburger with some more of my Hindu friends again this coming weekend. Hurray to the US for bringing people from diverse backgrounds, allowing us to munch on nice juicy hamburgers and steaks.

 

[Stewie]

You should ask the 44 states that have it banned.

There are banned meats in USa fr example beluga whales can only be consumed in some parts of Alaska only during certain seasons, its banned in mainland USA.

So lets not act that US allows everything to be eaten among Animals, they have consuming of selling of many animals banned.

They banned it even when there was demand

By the way I found this: I’m not sure if it’s credible or not. I have no dog in this fight, pun intended


In 2018, Congress passed the Dog and Cat Meat Trade Prohibition Act (DCMTPA) banning the slaughter and consumption of dogs and cats. “Any person who violates subsection (a) shall be subject to a fine in an amount not greater than $5,000 for each violation,” the law states.

China and South Korea earn much deserved condemnation for their dog meat markets and festivals. Thanks to pressure from activists, the exposure of horrifying conditions the animals face, and the education of the public about the risks associated with eating dog meat, these markets are on the decline. This is especially true among young people who find it cruel to eat companion animals. While we dog lovers in the United States call this practice barbaric in other countries, some of us may be surprised to find out that, depending on interpretation of the law, it is still legal to eat dog meat in 43 of the states in the U.S., and yes, it happens.

It Is Still Legal

California, Georgia, Hawaii, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, and Virginia are the only states that explicitly outlawed dog meat. It is, however, illegal in all states for slaughterhouses to handle dogs, and it’s illegal for stores to sell the meat. This doesn’t prevent an individual from killing and eating a dog or selling meat to another person, so long as it’s not through a store. The laws among the states that have banned the consumption of dog meat vary, and some states allow citizens to kill and eat dogs so long as the killing is done “humanely”. New York law states that it is illegal “to slaughter or butcher domesticated dog (canis familiaris) or domesticated cat (felis catus or domesticus) to create food, meat or meat products for human or animal consumption.”

California bans even owning the carcass, so someone couldn’t use the excuse that they got dog meat from somewhere else instead of butchering it themselves. The law also protects “any animal traditionally or commonly kept as a pet or companion,” though that definition may be vague, as many people keep other animals–pigs, for example–as pets.

Virginia has made it illegal to unnecessarily kill animals not associated with farming activities. Since dogs are not commonly used as livestock on farms, they can’t be slaughtered for their meat as it would be unnecessary to do so. All of these state laws vary and can create confusion, which is why dogs would benefit from a federal ban on the practice of killing dogs for meat that applies to all states.

Yes, It Does Happen

Consuming dog meat in the U.S. isn’t a common practice. You may wonder why we should bother banning it at all. The problem is that even though it isn’t rampant, killing dogs for their meat does happen in this country, and it would be better to stop the problem before it gets worse.

In 2003, authorities seized 150 Korean Jindo dogs, a breed commonly used in South Korean meat markets, from a man in Pennsylvania who claimed that they were being raised to sell as guard dogs and meat sources. He was licensed to do that, but the animals were taken due to their poor conditions, not because they were going to be eaten. He was charged with animal cruelty, but again, that had nothing to do with the dogs being raised for meat.

In 1994, a man licensed to sell “random source” meat named Ervin Stebane was convicted of “improperly killing animals.” He reportedly took stolen pets from people’s homes, grabbed strays off the street, or took “free to good home” dogs, shot them in the head, and sold the meat. He had over 140 dogs in his barn when he was raided. Since it wasn’t illegal in Wisconsin to sell dog meat, he was convicted of a relatively minor crime and never went to jail. His only punishment was that his license to sell random source meat was revoked.

These stories not only indicate that dogs are sold for meat, but that there is a demand in this country, however small, for dog meat. The practice is mostly kept underground, but making it a federal crime would make it easier to prosecute those who kill dogs for meat when they are discovered.

What Is Being Done About It

Luckily, a bill has been introduced to Congress to “amend the Animal Welfare Act to prohibit the slaughter of dogs and cats for human consumption.” The bill known as H. R. 1406, which is also called the “Dog and Cat Meat Trade Prohibition Act of 2017” would ban the slaughtering of dogs and cats for meat as well as shipping, purchasing, or selling dogs to be killed for meat. Unfortunately, the penalty for violating the act would be relatively small and include “not more than 1 year, or a fine of not more than $2,500, or both.” Still, it is a step in the right direction, and the bill deserves support.

What You Can Do To Help

Call your representatives. Let them know that you support H. R. 1406 and that killing dogs for meat should be illegal in all 50 of the United States. You can find your congressperson in the House of Representatives here, then contact their office to let them know you support this bill. Together we can make a difference and stop this problem before it even has a chance to grow.

It's Still Legal To Eat Dogs In The United States--And Yes, It Happens

China and South Korea may take heat for serving dog, but it's still legal to eat dog meat in 43 states, and it does happen. Here's what you can do to stop it.

dogtime.com

 

[Stewie]

The other meats just don’t taste as good as cow, I guess. I’m sure if the demand was there, we will see these other animals in there slaughterhouses.

For now, here is to a nice juicy steak from a corn fed cow ..

 

[Red-Indian]

The other meats just don’t taste as good as cow, I guess. I’m sure if the demand was there, we will see these other animals in there slaughterhouses.

For now, here is to a nice juicy steak from a corn fed cow ..

I agree. It's just another level in taste.

Do you also enjoy pork like maybe some awesome southern ribs? Most Muslim friends of mine say there's no specific prohibition in Islam but they just don't feel comfortable eating it. Some won't even go to restaurants that serve it.

 

[Stewie]

I agree. It's just another level in taste.

Do you also enjoy pork like maybe some awesome southern ribs? Most Muslim friends of mine say there's no specific prohibition in Islam but they just don't feel comfortable eating it. Some won't even go to restaurants that serve it.

I do not. But I immensely enjoy the fact people here are allowed to eat it. It’s none of my business what they eat or don’t eat.

And there is specific prohibition in Islam about eating pork. Unless you are dying and need sustenance, pork is forbidden. Your friends probably need to re-educate themselves. Lol

 

[JaDed]

The other meats just don’t taste as good as cow, I guess. I’m sure if the demand was there, we will see these other animals in there slaughterhouses.

For now, here is to a nice juicy steak from a corn fed cow ..

Horse meat is sweet , you think there is demand? They go out of their way to make it not available

 

[Stewie]

Horse meat is sweet , you think there is demand? They go out of their way to make it not available

I think you really have the wrong perception here. I looked into all these “exotic” meats alleged ban.

For whatever reasons, they are not licensed for sale and distribution but people are perfectly allowed to eat them. So if you really want to eat a horse, you can buy it and slaughter it yourself and eat it. Same with dogs, cats, etc I am sure.

I just don’t think there is much demand for it here. Americans will even eat roadkill possums.

 

[Red-Indian]

I do not. But I immensely enjoy the fact people here are allowed to eat it. It’s none of my business what they eat or don’t eat.

And there is specific prohibition in Islam about eating pork. Unless you are dying and need sustenance, pork is forbidden. Your friends probably need to re-educate themselves. Lol

Yeah I googled it and you're right. They had this theory that us Muslims don't eat it because pre-Islam Abrahamic religions banned it and we continued it. And it was only related to poor sanitary conditions at the time.

They're a bunch of contradictions anyway. We've been out drinking more than once but they won't tell their families (including their wives) that they occasionally drink. They won't make these mental gymnastics for pork though.

 

[Stewie]

Yeah I googled it and you're right. They had this theory that us Muslims don't eat it because pre-Islam Abrahamic religions banned it and we continued it. And it was only related to poor sanitary conditions at the time.

They're a bunch of contradictions anyway. We've been out drinking more than once but they won't tell their families (including their wives) that they occasionally drink. They won't make these mental gymnastics for pork though.

You will find this trend in the larger Muslim world. I have friends living in Pakistan who drink as well. I have met maybe 5 people in my life who are Muslims and actually consumed pork.

I think the logic your friends used makes perfect sense though. Pork is the other white meat and in today’s refrigeration and science, it can’t be that riddled with germs. But I’ll stay away more for cultural and habitual reasons Than anything else.

 

[RexRex]

There's a substantial chunk of political hindus, mostly bhakts, who are deeply insecure of their religion; they want to show people of other faiths that hindus can have dogmatic & structured beliefs too like Islam does and hence want to shove their beliefs down other people's throats as a symbol of this dogmatism. This meat ban is a show of demanding respect (mostly directed at muslims) rather than actually being upset about cow slaughter.

Pathetic really.

 

[Red-Indian]

You will find this trend in the larger Muslim world. I have friends living in Pakistan who drink as well. I have met maybe 5 people in my life who are Muslims and actually consumed pork.

I think the logic your friends used makes perfect sense though. Pork is the other white meat and in today’s refrigeration and science, it can’t be that riddled with germs. But I’ll stay away more for cultural and habitual reasons Than anything else.

Yeah obviously anything in excess is an issue but pork has a shade less cholesterol and calories than beef. I crave them when I get bored of the chicken and fish that is standard fare in most restaurants here.

It's tough to find either in India in general but fancier restaurants do serve pork - ham, bacon, sausages etc. and buffalo meat. It's just not the same as eating it abroad though - especially in the States.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Can we stay on topic please.???

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I had a nice juicy cheeseburger today with a Hindu friend who enjoyed it as much as I did. Such a blessing to be living in a country where such freedoms are open to everyone regardless of religion.

You should ditch this friend.

Someone who is not sincere to their religion won't be sincere in friendship.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There's a substantial chunk of political hindus, mostly bhakts, who are deeply insecure of their religion; they want to show people of other faiths that hindus can have dogmatic & structured beliefs too like Islam does and hence want to shove their beliefs down other people's throats as a symbol of this dogmatism. This meat ban is a show of demanding respect (mostly directed at muslims) rather than actually being upset about cow slaughter.

Pathetic really.

Historically Hinduism always seemed a lot more flexible and esoteric than Islam, it was different in more or less every aspect. I have said many times that the RSS are the hindu equivalent of the Taliban. It seems Savarkar and his acolytes grew to despair over Hindu religion's spiritual take and looked enviously at Islam's more practical and expansionist methods and tried to reinvent a hindu version. But then there will be the danger of following Islam into the dogmatic and stubborn refusal to open up society to encourage innovation. Muslims are ok with this for the most part since their goals are different to the materialists who live life for today, but will Hindus be happy with such a future?

 

[Stewie]

You should ditch this friend.

Someone who is not sincere to their religion won't be sincere in friendship.

What a load of bull. Pakistanis would make for the worst friends if you follow this logic. We are the worst muslims. some Pakistanis lie, cheat, steal, beg, cut corners, etc. prove me wrong.

By the way consuming beef is not forbidden in Hinduism. My dear friends are closer to their religion than most Pakistanis I know to Islam.

 

[Dhakar Pola]

I agree. It's just another level in taste.

Do you also enjoy pork like maybe some awesome southern ribs? Most Muslim friends of mine say there's no specific prohibition in Islam but they just don't feel comfortable eating it. Some won't even go to restaurants that serve it.

I accidentally ate a hotdog which was from pork meat. I first thought it was cow meat but when it tasted bad I saw the wrap it says pork. Have to say I did not enjoy it at all

 

[JaDed]

Historically Hinduism always seemed a lot more flexible and esoteric than Islam, it was different in more or less every aspect. I have said many times that the RSS are the hindu equivalent of the Taliban. It seems Savarkar and his acolytes grew to despair over Hindu religion's spiritual take and looked enviously at Islam's more practical and expansionist methods and tried to reinvent a hindu version. But then there will be the danger of following Islam into the dogmatic and stubborn refusal to open up society to encourage innovation. Muslims are ok with this for the most part since their goals are different to the materialists who live life for today, but will Hindus be happy with such a future?

RSS’s Equivalence is Muslim League.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

RSS’s Equivalence is Muslim League.

I've heard you make this comparison before, but considering Hinduism was not even regarded remotely militant previously, I would argue that the RSS equivalent might even be ISIS.

 

[JaDed]

I've heard you make this comparison before, but considering Hinduism was not even regarded remotely militant previously, I would argue that the RSS equivalent might even be ISIS.

Militant? Before or even now no one recognises it.
And I’m not the one who thinks of RSS as equivalent of MUSLIM league.

Mr Jinnah when he formed a coalition with them thought the same.

 

[Stewie]

RSS’s Equivalence is Muslim League.

Muslim League of pre-partition does not exist anymore and it was not a militant organization even at that time. Its a very false analogy. RSS of the time has also changed and now is more militant than they were possibly at that time.

Its been over 70 years, things are subject to change.

 

[JaDed]

Muslim League of pre-partition does not exist anymore and it was not a militant organization even at that time. Its a very false analogy. RSS of the time has also changed and now is more militant than they were possibly at that time.

Its been over 70 years, things are subject to change.

RSS is a militant organisation similar to the logic that American/British Establishment is one.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

RSS’s Equivalence is Muslim League.

RSS is equivalent to TLP imo

 

[JaDed]

RSS is equivalent to TLP imo

Not really because the constitution of Pakistan is itself skewed towards Muslims, as its Islamic republic of Pakistan.
Even the most Liberal party there would at best be center.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Not really because the constitution of Pakistan is itself skewed towards Muslims, as its Islamic republic of Pakistan.
Even the most Liberal party there would at best be center.

there are ofcourse nuances unique to each country but at the moment i think a comparison with tehreek e labaik pakistan (TLP) who are essentially a non terrorist relgious pressure group is the most valid.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not really because the constitution of Pakistan is itself skewed towards Muslims, as its Islamic republic of Pakistan.
Even the most Liberal party there would at best be center.

That is actually reinforcing my point. Pakistan has from the outset labelled itself as an Islamic republic, that means it has no choice but to be skewed towards Muslims since that is who it was designed for. If anything, by Islamic standards, it is probably left of centre by a long way.

India has made no claims of being a hindu rashtra, yet the party in power strives towards hindutva, encourages it's supporters tacitly to use violent means to enforce hindu culture culminating in rioting and mob led demolition of mosques.

 

[Stewie]

That is actually reinforcing my point. Pakistan has from the outset labelled itself as an Islamic republic, that means it has no choice but to be skewed towards Muslims since that is who it was designed for. If anything, by Islamic standards, it is probably left of centre by a long way.

India has made no claims of being a hindu rashtra, yet the party in power strives towards hindutva, encourages it's supporters tacitly to use violent means to enforce hindu culture culminating in rioting and mob led demolition of mosques.

That’s true. It’s a very strong argument

 

[JaDed]

That is actually reinforcing my point. Pakistan has from the outset labelled itself as an Islamic republic, that means it has no choice but to be skewed towards Muslims since that is who it was designed for. If anything, by Islamic standards, it is probably left of centre by a long way.

India has made no claims of being a hindu rashtra, yet the party in power strives towards hindutva, encourages it's supporters tacitly to use violent means to enforce hindu culture culminating in rioting and mob led demolition of mosques.

Are you saying Muslim League’s supporters didn’t kill Hindus and Sikhs in 1947? Because they did the same in that logic hence the equivalence

 

[Stewie]

Are you saying Muslim League’s supporters didn’t kill Hindus and Sikhs in 1947? Because they did the same in that logic hence the equivalence

Equating 1947 to modern day zeitgeist is a big folly.

In 1947 Hindus and Sikhs conducted massive massacres of muslims migrating to pakistan. let us not forget that. both sides committed atrocities. does that mean you can consider Congress an extremist organization today?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Equating 1947 to modern day zeitgeist is a big folly.

In 1947 Hindus and Sikhs conducted massive massacres of muslims migrating to pakistan. let us not forget that. both sides committed atrocities. does that mean you can consider Congress an extremist organization today?

Yes I don't really understand what was the point of going back to partition riots, not as if those were politically organised by either side.

 

[JaDed]

Equating 1947 to modern day zeitgeist is a big folly.

In 1947 Hindus and Sikhs conducted massive massacres of muslims migrating to pakistan. let us not forget that. both sides committed atrocities. does that mean you can consider Congress an extremist organization today?

Sardar Patel himself went to Gurudwaras to plead with Sikhs to stop, that’s the difference of a good leader

Irrespective you guys started equating Taliban with RSS , I’m just saying they are equivalent to Muslim League considering history and for all you know they might even be better considering the Muslims are increasing in population in their rule unlike Non- Muslims under Muslim League.

 

[Stewie]

Sardar Patel himself went to Gurudwaras to plead with Sikhs to stop, that’s the difference of a good leader

Irrespective you guys started equating Taliban with RSS , I’m just saying they are equivalent to Muslim League considering history and for all you know they might even be better considering the Muslims are increasing in population in their rule unlike Non- Muslims under Muslim League.

Same old regurgitated stuff that has been debunked multiple times on this forum about the non muslim population in Pakistan. At this point, I am just going to shake my head and let you continue to believe in it because nothing will convince you or your ilk at this point.

 

[JaDed]

Same old regurgitated stuff that has been debunked multiple times on this forum about the non muslim population in Pakistan. At this point, I am just going to shake my head and let you continue to believe in it because nothing will convince you or your ilk at this point

Thanks and please continue with your echo chamber.

 

[RexRex]

Muslim League of pre-partition does not exist anymore and it was not a militant organization even at that time. Its a very false analogy. RSS of the time has also changed and now is more militant than they were possibly at that time.

Its been over 70 years, things are subject to change.

RSS = any political party in Pakistan

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Sardar Patel himself went to Gurudwaras to plead with Sikhs to stop, that’s the difference of a good leader

Irrespective you guys started equating Taliban with RSS , I’m just saying they are equivalent to Muslim League considering history and for all you know they might even be better considering the Muslims are increasing in population in their rule unlike Non- Muslims under Muslim League.

The gist of what I am saying is, government of any type should be judged by it's own policies and standards. When you are trying to equate RSS with the Muslim League, you are using what seems to be western secular rule as the yardstick. That is pointless with Pakistan since it doesn't claim to be secular.

India as far as I know has always been secular since it's independence, and that has been it's claim. But the RSS version of secularism is unabashedly aimed at securing superiority for hindus and downgrading the rights of minorities. Perhaps it would be less conflicting if India went the same way as Pakistan and clearly laid down it's status as a hindu rashtra.

 

[RexRex]

RSS = any political party in Pakistan

RSS want a hindu state; political parties in Pakistan all swear allegiance to an Islamic state.

 

[Stewie]

RSS want a hindu state; political parties in Pakistan all swear allegiance to an Islamic state.

I want a Lamborghini but that does not make me a billionaire who wants four of them.

 

[Justcrazy]

You will never see Jains indulge in violence, their most radical orthodox monks go out of their way to be no. violent and not even killing bacteria or insects.

Yes , ahimsha is part of their faith. But is that practical in real life? Can the world run on non violence in everything. I do not know any Jains here , but would love to discus this with them.

 

[Justcrazy]

Cow is still sacred for them. The rest of the animals are not sacred. They consider Jeeva Himsa (Animal toruture) bad.

I disagree , that cows are more sacred for Jains. They consider them as like normal animals.

 

[RexRex]

I want a Lamborghini but that does not make me a billionaire who wants four of them.

This analogy doesnt even make sense wrt to what I said. Try another one.

 

[Stewie]

This analogy doesnt even make sense wrt to what I said. Try another one.

Akalmand ko ishara kaafi. haha.

I am a chauffeur who drives people around in Lamborghinis, and I want one for myself. Does that make me a rich person?

Pakistan claims to be a democracy where all political parties matter and run on some platform. You claim they are all religious so they have to be some level of extreme. But is that the truth? Does it matter?

RSS is idolizing Pakistan, and wants India to be Hindu State like Pakistan is supposedly for Muslims, but is that the truth? Does it matter?

Pakistan is not a Muslim state, its a strange mix of oligarchy and institutional dictatorship. All the parties are pawns in the hands of the estabishment. In particular the religious political parties have never been in power in pakistan or have ever formed majority government. They are just used by the military to break votes of the more popular parties.

India is a true democracy, but you guys are hellbent on using the Pakistani blueprint and marginalizing minorities. I say more power to you guys! Makes us look good.

So you see the analogy fits perfectly for both states. Both countries are a case study of false advertising, false perceptions and wishful thinking ACROSS THE BOARD. Feel free to get entangled in who is most extreme party in this case. you would really be simply wasting your time in something of no consequence in the grand scheme of things.

 

[JaDed]

Yes , ahimsha is part of their faith. But is that practical in real life? Can the world run on non violence in everything. I do not know any Jains here , but would love to discus this with them.

They believe in it even during wars and everything they never gave up on that, it’s unfortunate that you are questioning the practicality of it, like majority people they do get that question but any religion can be easily not be plausible in current lifestyle.

Irrespective I do completely believe it’s India’s duty to protect them and Parsis more so than any other religions(yes it’s a bias), as other religions are radical enough to take care of themselves.