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[VIDEO] Boxing Day : Mohammad Yousuf and Rameez Raja in a heated argument

I agree with both, the responsibility of beard and the skills of commentators.

But this time Yousuf didn't lie. He was right to question the credibility of Ramiz Raja as commentator due to his historical stature as batsman in Test format. Ramiz Raja could have pointed out the certain factors of required skills for the jobs of commentators. Instead he lost his temper and the rest is history. :jf

Not good viewing but not something which is unexpected.

See that all the time on this forum as well.

Reminds me of the late Tony Greg's remarks

"These Pakistani's don't know anything but arguing, they never stop arguing, they are always right and I've gotta say, I've almost had enough of it"
 
Yousuf didn't mention about his life but Ramiz talked straight about his beard which is wrong
 
I know yaar, Yousuf is a shameless character but Rameez shouldn't have descended to his level and his rebuttals weren't that effective, instead Yousuf comes out looking like the victim or according to some the winner of this 'debate'.

Actually the biggest loser here is Geo Super for having such trashy television. Is this what they're reduced to, instead of any meaningful cricket coverage they now have ex-players exchanging personal insults for ratings.

Spare us the moral high ground, this is the kind of programming people want to watch. Even educated people like you are flocking to this masala thread and wasting time on it, we watch cricket to be entertained, not to see boring morally upstanding interviews. What kind of bearing do sportsmen have on the real world? Who even cares if they have good personalities?

I for one am perfectly satisfied with whoever made this happen at geo.
 
Yousuf didn't mention about his life but Ramiz talked straight about his beard which is wrong

again, how far are you going to go just for the sake of defending yousuf

Yousuf '' Ap jesa besharam admi mene nahi dekha , ap jese log to apne ghar walo per case kr dete hai ap ghatiya insan hain apko cricket ka kia pata ''
 
I got the impression that you considered Yousuf as the source and main reason for this ugly tussle when you didnt mentioned a word on Raja. Wrong?

My point was more about rather people with beards having a superiority complex than anything to do with Moyo or Ramiz.

Regarding the two, of course both aren't saints but Ramiz in comparison to Moyo isn't anywhere near him in making puerile remarks and slanting others, whereas for Moyo this is regular occurrence with his constant hate of Misbah and Waqar.
 
why was rameez given the ambassador role to begin with? there have been better servants of pak cricket than Rameez. I think it's because he came on TV to help najam sethi, selling the ideas of big 3 and the series with india.

the irony is that back then rameez said that it is not a matter of principles, emotions or patriotism - it's all about money. now he is saying the opposite.
 
Not good viewing but not something which is unexpected.

See that all the time on this forum as well.

Reminds me of the late Tony Greg's remarks

"These Pakistani's don't know anything but arguing, they never stop arguing, they are always right and I've gotta say, I've almost had enough of it"

Yeah. It is very common and understandably why. But from the perspective of national image, this is outright embarrassing. I am not taking anyone side here. Watching both respected former cricketers behaving like this on the national television is outright embarrassment. I sincerely hope both regains their sane minds after the recent embarrassing chapter of Pakistan.
 
again, how far are you going to go just for the sake of defending yousuf

rameez brought religion into the debate. it was totally uncalled for.

Rameez wouldn't dare to say something like this to a person who is not a converted muslim.
 
rameez brought religion into the debate. it was totally uncalled for.

Rameez wouldn't dare to say something like this to a person who is not a converted muslim.

it has nothing to do with being a convert.

Its about having beard and acting religious, while you spread baseless lies about players and insult them by saying that you are superior.

This is the reason why Hashim Amla is respected more by Pakistanis not only as a cricketer but as a human being.
 
DAMN...I want to see this kind of fight between Indian cricketers as well but unfortunately they are too professional :sanga

Imagine Sehwag and Dhoni fighting like this in national television. Will be classy stuff :yk
 
here Yusuf only said about cricket which is true but Rambo brought religion and beared in to this which was not needed,he should have restricted himself to cricket only
 
Yeah. It is very common and understandably why. But from the perspective of national image, this is outright embarrassing. I am not taking anyone side here. Watching both respected former cricketers behaving like this on the national television is outright embarrassment. I sincerely hope both regains their sane minds after the recent embarrassing chapter of Pakistan.

Searching for sanity is an activity that I don't indulge myself anymore ..

As in the movie 300

THIS IS PAAAAAAAAAAAKISSSSSSSTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
 
here Yusuf only said about cricket which is true but Rambo brought religion and beared in to this which was not needed,he should have restricted himself to cricket only

I wont take his name but this guy has achieved nothing in his life. He has no cricketing achievements to show and is nothing more than an English teacher. I cant take the opinion of someone who achieved nothing in cricket seriosuly. -
Yousuf bought in Rameez Rajas profession and called him a school teacher, which was not needed aswell(from where it started)

RAmeez Raja is a respected commentator
 
DAMN...I want to see this kind of fight between Indian cricketers as well but unfortunately they are too professional :sanga

Imagine Sehwag and Dhoni fighting like this in national television. Will be classy stuff :yk

You must be dumb if you don't think arguments do not happen behind the scenes, it happens nearly every team.

It just doesn't happen in front of the cameras 99% of the time because most of the time no one wants to leak it out and make things worse.

Maybe only a few years later when someone wants to sell an autobiography do we hear of the incidents.
 
Spare us the moral high ground, this is the kind of programming people want to watch. Even educated people like you are flocking to this masala thread and wasting time on it, we watch cricket to be entertained, not to see boring morally upstanding interviews. What kind of bearing do sportsmen have on the real world? Who even cares if they have good personalities?

I for one am perfectly satisfied with whoever made this happen at geo.

I'm commenting because this thread has blown up to 3 pages so of course I'd be curious to see what the fuss is about. This is nothing to do with cricket, these are two individuals settling personal scores and trading appalling personal insults on national television which is of benefit to nobody, last time I checked this is supposed to be a cricket programme not a WWE storyline.

This is not a one off for Geo Super, they constantly have pundits including players and ex-players on who have an axe to grind against certain people and instead of providing any interesting insights into the actual cricket they prefer masala TV to stir peoples' emotions up to boost ratings amidst their dwindling sports portfolio.

Frankly this is indicative of Pakistani and other Asian talk shows in general, its not who offers the most insight or analysis but who can bark the loudest, be the most sensationalistic and who can throw out the wildest allegations in order to stoop to the lowest common denominator.

Millions watch this crap on a daily basis where they see their cricketing heroes who are put on a pedestal behave like schoolchildren. Is it any wonder our political discourse is so vulgar given our other public figures behave like this in front of the cameras ? Is it any surprise the awaam thinks such uncivilised and disrespectful behaviour in public life is the norm and not the exception ? These two behaved poorly and Geo Super is a disgrace.
 
I dont understand how anyone could support this nakli molvi Yousuf.

Just because he ended up playing international cricketer he thinks no one has the right to critsize then himself. THis means that he is not only insulting Ramiz Raja but every cricket critic even on Pakpassion..

Rameez was right about Yousuf, who grew a beard, then you spread lies on Tv and use bad language.

Yousuf apparently said that Misbah brainwashed Azhar into hating Amir.

Rameez Raja is a respected commentator, he is the voice of Pakistan Cricket. While Yousuf is some cricketer who now sits on Geo Super nothing else. Rameez Raja works for multiple channels for live match coverage.

I honestly felt sorry for Ramiz. Probably the first time ever in my life, the level of insults thrown at him by Yousuf live on TV and it was as if Ramiz was dumbfounded. He had no answer. I have never seen Ramiz been so quiet in an arguement. It was as if he wanted to say things but he remained quiet. Respect for Ramiz, even though he blabbers while on commentary, he preferred to stay quiet and not talk in the manner Yousuf was, who went complete 'phappay kuttan.'
 
Im not sure why my thread has been deleted but Ramiz should be stripped of PSL ambassador duties.

Totally concur, regardless of this argument with Yousaf I just can't stand Rameez at all.

Honestly I seem him as a fake, a wannabe and pretending he's something he's not.

Not just that I can't stand his commentary when's he's always sucking up to the opposition.
 
Once Yousuf had already attacked Ramiz and said that this person achieved nothing in his life or career and that his opinion is worthless, what did you expect Ramiz to respond with?

I shouldn't be saying this. But if this was a boxing match. Yousuf delivered the knockout to Ramiz in 2 rounds. Such was the level of punches thrown at him. Ramiz was shocked.
I admire Ramiz for not stooping to Moyo's level.
 
You must be dumb if you don't think arguments do not happen behind the scenes, it happens nearly every team.

It just doesn't happen in front of the cameras 99% of the time because most of the time no one wants to leak it out and make things worse.

Maybe only a few years later when someone wants to sell an autobiography do we hear of the incidents.
Behind the scene arguement is whats called professionalism. Catfights like this in national television is called?? Leave it to you

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Lets be honest, in this age of commerical likeability. Who will be a bigger loss to GEO in terms of expert analysis?

It will be Rameez, almost 90% of the people will agree with me.

The 10% who think Moyo>Ramiz in terms on analysis, don't even know that it is about brands, marketability, education, and personality more than the content of the analysis. Ramiz tops all of that. Moyo is a discard by the PCB, he has been out of the cricketing circle for a very long time. With the cricket gone from his life, he has nothing. He sees lesser talented people than him get more out of the game than he does. Ofcourse he would hate on Ramiz. Ramiz probably has made more money his commentating stints than Moyo did throughout his cricketing career. And Ramiz's association with the cricketing fraternity, International,local as well as the PCB makes him a more coveted product than Yousuf. Who is barely abreast of what happens in and out of the game besides being a distant observer. GEO knows if they want to run their show, Moyo will have to go, or not be on the same show as Ramiz. This is probably bad for GEO in the long term, that makes me happy since GEO is the major controversy puller in Pakistan cricket since a decade it seems.
 
Lets be honest, in this age of commerical likeability. Who will be a bigger loss to GEO in terms of expert analysis?

It will be Rameez, almost 90% of the people will agree with me.

The 10% who think Moyo>Ramiz in terms on analysis, don't even know that it is about brands, marketability, education, and personality more than the content of the analysis. Ramiz tops all of that. Moyo is a discard by the PCB, he has been out of the cricketing circle for a very long time. With the cricket gone from his life, he has nothing. He sees lesser talented people than him get more out of the game than he does. Ofcourse he would hate on Ramiz. Ramiz probably has made more money his commentating stints than Moyo did throughout his cricketing career. And Ramiz's association with the cricketing fraternity, International,local as well as the PCB makes him a more coveted product than Yousuf. Who is barely abreast of what happens in and out of the game besides being a distant observer. GEO knows if they want to run their show, Moyo will have to go, or not be on the same show as Ramiz. This is probably bad for GEO in the long term, that makes me happy since GEO is the major controversy puller in Pakistan cricket since a decade it seems.

very good post regarding how rameez is more involved in the cricket sector then yousuf.

potw imo
 
MoYo: "Amir ek acha bowler hai, duniya ka no.1 bowler hai" :yk

So a player who has not bowled a single delivery for 5 years is no.1 bowler in the world, is it? :steyn


When will these Pak panelists learn how to talk?? :facepalm:
 
It seems SC talk shows have been infected with Arnab Goswami syndrome. Generate the most controversy, ZERO professionalism from the anchor, stoop to the lowest common denominator, allow your 'pundits' to exchange whatever personal insults they want without any pushback or censure from any regulatory body all in the pursuit of ratings.

Instead of educating your audience, trying to inform them or produce quality discussion - its about who is first with the 'exclusive' (see Modi-Nawaz visit where the media were all falling over each other to provide the "sab se pehlay exclusive footage") and who can be the most sensationalist. These aren't news or sports stations but soap operas. Guests brought on to bark over each other until their voice goes hoarse and so-called "impartial experts" who in reality have axes to grind. How can anyone find this television reasonable ?

This Rameez-Yousuf blowup is a symptom of this media culture. PCB should initiate rigorous media training for all its contracted employees but what's the use when the Chairman himself is giving his daily statement of "I'm giving BCCI latest deadline for series".
 
I'm commenting because this thread has blown up to 3 pages so of course I'd be curious to see what the fuss is about. This is nothing to do with cricket, these are two individuals settling personal scores and trading appalling personal insults on national television which is of benefit to nobody, last time I checked this is supposed to be a cricket programme not a WWE storyline.

This is not a one off for Geo Super, they constantly have pundits including players and ex-players on who have an axe to grind against certain people and instead of providing any interesting insights into the actual cricket they prefer masala TV to stir peoples' emotions up to boost ratings amidst their dwindling sports portfolio.

Frankly this is indicative of Pakistani and other Asian talk shows in general, its not who offers the most insight or analysis but who can bark the loudest, be the most sensationalistic and who can throw out the wildest allegations in order to stoop to the lowest common denominator.

Millions watch this crap on a daily basis where they see their cricketing heroes who are put on a pedestal behave like schoolchildren. Is it any wonder our political discourse is so vulgar given our other public figures behave like this in front of the cameras ? Is it any surprise the awaam thinks such uncivilised and disrespectful behaviour in public life is the norm and not the exception ? These two behaved poorly and Geo Super is a disgrace.

The same scripted WWE storylines that you aciduously follow yet the real life deal is the lowest common denominator? In that case, it's almost 1 am in the UK, you should go to sleep instead of following this disgrace. Truth is everyone is interested, even the people who think they are above it, which was tv channels produce it. If people didn't give it interest, it wouldn't happen.

If Pakistanis notion of civility is so wrapped that a few sportsmen on TV makes them distorted then it would be distorted anyways, TV show or not.

Your problem is that you put sportsmen on a pedestal and that's your problem, not theirs. At the end of the day, they grew up hitting balls with sticks and have known little else in their life than being a circus for people, enjoy it.
 
It seems SC talk shows have been infected with Arnab Goswami syndrome. Generate the most controversy, ZERO professionalism from the anchor, stoop to the lowest common denominator, allow your 'pundits' to exchange whatever personal insults they want without any pushback or censure from any regulatory body all in the pursuit of ratings.

Instead of educating your audience, trying to inform them or produce quality discussion - its about who is first with the 'exclusive' (see Modi-Nawaz visit where the media were all falling over each other to provide the "sab se pehlay exclusive footage") and who can be the most sensationalist. These aren't news or sports stations but soap operas. Guests brought on to bark over each other until their voice goes hoarse and so-called "impartial experts" who in reality have axes to grind. How can anyone find this television reasonable ?

This Rameez-Yousuf blowup is a symptom of this media culture. PCB should initiate rigorous media training for all its contracted employees but what's the use when the Chairman himself is giving his daily statement of "I'm giving BCCI latest deadline for series".

Sub Continent media (Ind, Pak all) is rubbish. Either they have journalists who outshout guests like Arnab Goswami for TRP or they come with an agenda like NDTV Barkha Dutt etc. Sub continent media need to learn a lot from BBC how to do journalism politely and professionally.
 
It was Rameez who got personal when he started talking about beard. Some ppl here are trying to put all blame on Yousuf because he keeps blaming Misbah (unfairly) for everything and Misbah fan buys can't take that.Shame on both these ex cricketers.
 
Behind the scene arguement is whats called professionalism. Catfights like this in national television is called?? Leave it to you

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Well you were the one trying to be smug when you said proudly that Indians don't behave this way.

Whatever, just because it happens behind closed doors doesn't mean it's "professional".

So stop behaving in such a moralistic way, you are not better than us and you have a habit of coming here with your big headed views.
 
the problem here was squarely because of Ramiz blowing his lid off and calling Yousuf "bearded $$$$". But that seems to be instigated by the Yousuf referring to a "3rd man" other than Hafeez/ Azhar Ali (obviously referring to Ramiz)
 
It was Rameez who got personal when he started talking about beard. Some ppl here are trying to put all blame on Yousuf because he keeps blaming Misbah (unfairly) for everything and Misbah fan buys can't take that.Shame on both these ex cricketers.
Truer words never spoken. Only disagree with the unfair part

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Ramiz started being personal first and he should not have expected flowers from MY. MY was atleast calling him AAP and was talking about Ramiz's cricketing credentials only but Ramiz was calling MY, TUM and was calling personal attack of very low level. I never knew Ramiz was a such a cheap and low level person. I'm not big fan of MY either.
 
Ramiz was sifarshia and compared to MY, he stands no where as far as cricketing credentials are concern.
 
ramiz started the personal stuff and to those saying ramiz was on the same level as moyo in batting is like saying moyo is the same as rameez in commentating in english
 
it has nothing to do with being a convert.

Its about having beard and acting religious, while you spread baseless lies about players and insult them by saying that you are superior.

This is the reason why Hashim Amla is respected more by Pakistanis not only as a cricketer but as a human being.

Bringing religion into the discussion was totally uncalled for. who made rameez the moral judge?
 
After watching the video in OP, I thought both Yousaf and Ramiz had behaved badly. I was not going to post after that.Then I watched a long duration clip of this show. Video in OP doesn't give a clear story.

Ramiz Raja acted like a fool.
Yousaf's on-air adventures are sickening, but here it was Ramiz Raja who ironically looked An Uneducated Graduate.
 
Some flashbacks



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LOL, Afridi has also targeted MoYo on beard and topi, everyone in crowd too was in support of Afridi blasting fake Maulvi garb of MoYo.
 
If the quotes are anything to go by than Ramiz is the one who started it by taking cheap and classless shots on Yousaf's beard. He should have stuck to cricket, what's the point of attacking Yousaf 's beard and religious beliefs?
 
I am not sure if this is from the start, but I think both of them had some old scores to settle.

First, it was MoYo that started - there are many, many more people apart from those 2 & the "3rd man", who has problems with Aamir returning in PAK team; there was no need to instigate Rameez. After that, both matched each but I 'll put blame on Rameez here - he should understand that a "nanga" (naked) can pee everywhere, but you can't do that on a lamp post in your suits.

Second, MoYo is trying to justify that Aamir should be called back for his talent, which is absolutely idiotic. It's not about talent, it's about a policy - ICC/PCB/British Judiciary has found Aamir guilty, he served his term, now ICC has given PCB the option to call back Aamir, which they have decided to take based on Aamir's performance & teams' need. From PCB's point, they are right as the Governing body has allowed them to call back a player who makes the team better - it's not that they are lobbying for Aamir to overcome a life ban. And, this is applicable to the other 2 (or anyone in future) as well, if they can make the team on merit.

3. Rameez (& those who are against), has their side of story as well. It's not an issue of using drugs, dope or attending mujra - it's about inside trading PAK team. We can debate whole night that a 18 years old kid bowled 2 NO balls in exchange of money, didn't lose the match; I 'll go one step further (based on my experience of many PAK cricketers & their commonsense level) - Aamir might not even had the clue what he was doing or what could be the consequence of those 2 balls & he might had been influenced by his Captain as well, BUT, the truth remains same - he was ready to follow instructions of a fixer, in exchange of money/favor ahead of his team interest & can do that again.

I think, here most posters are supportive to MoYo, because they are relating it with 2 ideologies - MoYo is in favor of Aamir while Rameez is trying to block that; naturally, most posters (I say 80%+) are in favor of Aamir, therefore actually overlooking MoYo's attitude, who is an absolute disgrace of a media personality. And I am sure, I have heard even more harsh words from Afridi regarding MoYo's beard, "topi" & double standards somewhere in PP - but then, Afridi has majority follower in PP, therefore that day MoYo lost, which again is a duplicity.

MoYo has absolutely no right to question Rameez's credibility as a Cricketer (as a Cricket media personal not even remotely close) - it's not about what Rameez achieved as individual player, because with mouth-piece, he is not going to play. Rammez was the regular opener for best part of a decade, during the best period of Pakistan cricket - LED BY A CAPTAIN WHO DROPPED HIS COUSIN, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T DESERVE TO BE IN THE TEAM - SO, MUST BE ON MERIT. What Rameez & his mates achieved in 10 years, the experience that Rameez went through or the "moments" that he had been part of; players like MoYo can't even dream off - which makes Rameez far, far superior when it comes to talk about cricket, AS AN ANALYST.

I think, Rameez was blown out of his mind, therefore brought himself to the level of an illiterate Molla, otherwise he had enough materials to pull out everything of the Molla - "Topi", "dari", "kurta" ............... He could have talked about ICL, when this Molla left PAK at his brilliant best to play tamasha cricket with his "Brother", knowing that he might not be allowed to represent PAK again. And, let me inform that MoYo himself is a fixer - that ICL tournament was entirely fixed, it was scripted that Lahore Badshah 'll be in Final so that PAK TV viewership remains intact and there'll be a 3rd Final for highest TRP of Zee Sports (so the drama of 2nd Final). I have few friends in that Dhaka Worrier team & I want this post to stay intact .................

Rameez could have talked about the oath-taking, which is actually bigger crime than match fixing in some administration (anyone having relatives in army can check - what is the punishment for conspiracy against the officer in charge)

Rameez could have talked about MoYos "monafeki" in club cricket more than once - he received payment from one club & then contracted with other, without NOC & at least twice I can recall, Dhaka League authority had to call arbitration for this Molla........


In this debacle, only sane person was the anchor, who tried his best, but his Producer is another crook .........
 
Yousuf used to mock Rameez saying he's just travelling around with Pak team and doing commentary because he speaks English and is otherwise an ordinary cricketer with no standing in world cricket.

Yousef has spoken the truth about Ramiz , individuals like Ramiz are a menace to Pakistan society , sprouting rubbish In commentary box,Ramiz as cricketer a non entity!
As for Yousef a legendary batsmen.
 
I find it embarrassing that barring a few dither posters here and there, most are taking sides on who was right and wrong.

When two sportsmen can talk on live TV like that, one albeit educated, and one self-educated, you know education makes zilch difference to how you are supposed to behave.

At the end of the day what did we see?

Most of the posters calling out sides, in which Yousaf is right, or Rameez is right.

What 2 million children of Pakistan watching that telecast saw was this is the way to behave on channel which is going live.

The real story is this.

When will we wake up and realize that professionalism is more important than taking sides so that the next generation doesn't come to do the same things and condone them.

Perhaps never.
 
My respect for Ramiz has actually gone up considerably.


Ramiz: Having a beard and acting religious and still lying isnt a good habit.

"Oh wow wow wow wow, Ramiz Raja, you beauty!!"
 
Well, a jaali mullah getting owned definitely deserves HD viewing, but it will work anyway.
How exactly my friend? Yousaf had the most effective come backs compared to a clueless ramiz.

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I think Ramiz lost this one quite easily - don't think he was prepared for this kind of an assault.

The bitterness in Yousuf is sad to see - he belongs to the school of thought where talent is the only criterion for being rewarded.
 
MoYo has absolutely no right to question Rameez's credibility as a Cricketer (as a Cricket media personal not even remotely close) - it's not about what Rameez achieved as individual player, because with mouth-piece, he is not going to play. Rammez was the regular opener for best part of a decade, during the best period of Pakistan cricket - LED BY A CAPTAIN WHO DROPPED HIS COUSIN, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T DESERVE TO BE IN THE TEAM - SO, MUST BE ON MERIT. What Rameez & his mates achieved in 10 years, the experience that Rameez went through or the "moments" that he had been part of; players like MoYo can't even dream off - which makes Rameez far, far superior when it comes to talk about cricket, AS AN ANALYST.

.........

I am not a fan of MoYo or Rameez but its not objective to say that MoYo has absolutely no right to question Rameez's credibility as a Cricketer ...


I believe that you know better than any of us the reason(s) why Rameez played for Pakistan while having minimal talent.

Rameez could be an expert about dressing room Jokes, about eating habits of different players...but expert about Cricket, I would have to agree with MoYo (though MoYo himself is not a cricket expert either)

P.S. You area quality poster and I agree with you most of the times.
 
:)))
i thought the interview was finally going to get under way, once they both shut up and started listening to the question about amir,
nekk minnut, ramiz fires shots again :)))

and the host had no idea what to do :)))
 
This is a much better quality video btw

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3jl8uw_intense-fight-between-ramiz-raja-and-mohammad-yosuf_sport

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idk if embed will work im not good with these things
 
Ramiz putting a Mullah in his rightful place.. Well done :14: :14:
 
what does being the better player have anything to do though

Yousuf's argument is stupid to the core here. If anyone subscribes to it then they should stop posting on PP today because Yousuf doesnt think they have any right to an opinion and neither does it hold any value

Pretty much. If a former national captain with more than 250 caps isn't qualified to comment on the game, God alone knows who will match up to the standards of Yousuf.
 
Ramiz putting a Mullah in his rightful place.. Well done :14: :14:
How exactly? Based on the video it was mohd Yousaf with the more effective comebacks while ramiz was utterly clueless like an over protected girl

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The Mullah's only argument was Ramiz wasn't a good enough player to comment on cricket, therefore by extension you and I have absolutely NO right to comment on anything related to the sport.


Fail logic
Well in a way Yousaf is right. Am pretty sure you would apply the same logic when a low level cricketer gets into a conflict with misbah

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My respect for Ramiz has actually gone up considerably.




"Oh wow wow wow wow, Ramiz Raja, you beauty!!"

It seems like it was Ramiz who started the fight and got personal while Yousaf was making cricketing arguments. So why exactly did your respect for Ramiz go up? Ramiz attacked Yousaf based on his religion and beard rather than counter his points.you consider that worthy of respect?
 
I am not a fan of MoYo or Rameez but its not objective to say that MoYo has absolutely no right to question Rameez's credibility as a Cricketer ...


I believe that you know better than any of us the reason(s) why Rameez played for Pakistan while having minimal talent.

Rameez could be an expert about dressing room Jokes, about eating habits of different players...but expert about Cricket, I would have to agree with MoYo (though MoYo himself is not a cricket expert either)

P.S. You area quality poster and I agree with you most of the times.


Brother, we all are making one fundamental mistake - Rambo or MoYo, whoever is better cricketer or analyst doesn't permit them to go at each other like this in live TV. But, to be honest, MoYo started this. Rameez managed to play few more Test than he should have, partially because he was lucky to be around when there was a transition in PAK cricket, but he was quite a decent ODI player, stats might not tell that, because of generation gap from contemporary game.

Regarding Cricket expert, I actually don't agree with you - you don't need to play 100 Test or average 45+ to be an expert or analyst. It's not that RR is great analyst, but one can't tell that, you shouldn't talk about cricket because you have done nothing in Cricket.

By the way, I was going through Cricinfo review of PSL teams (from personal curiosity because I myself did lots of work on this) - the columnist dropped Imad from KK team & played 4 pacers in a T20 tournament in UAE (& 7 bowlers including Malik & Sakib); dropped Maqsood from Lahore team & made Zalmi the most balanced team - that writer is a paid columnist & must be reputed Cricket expert, because he writes regularly in CricInfo, therefore you can't question Rambo on his expertise on cricket.
 
Yousuf bought in Rameez Rajas profession and called him a school teacher, which was not needed aswell(from where it started)

RAmeez Raja is a respected commentator
Is school teacher some abuse?i am the son of a primary school teacher and I feel very proud.
 
Simply put...both shouldn't be in cricketing roles...Rameez really should have done better...being a commentator for so long...MoYo really does not have any presentation skills...no point in taking sides with anyone...overall just another episode of Pakistani cricketers fighting.
 
4 minutes of Ramiz Raja vs Mohammad Yousuf


gotta side with Yousuf after listening to the full video- Yousuf is making a genuine argument in favour of Amir, then Ramiz comes on and straight off the bat attacks his beard/character and calls him a 'makkar' or liar, all of this unprovoked
 
Lol its an old news. I thought i was the first one posting.


Really disgusting stuff from the two.
 
LOL Ramiz started it and Yousuf ended it with a bang. It's a shame some posters are saying oh Ramiz put the "mullah" in his place etc. Ramiz had to resort to personal attacks and Yousuf rightfully brought up that Ramiz has 2 100s in 57 test matches...
 
Shameful! Why do Pakistani have to make efforts to become the laughing stock? Ramiz as an international commentator is decent and is respected. Cant understand how he stooped to this level. Also, cant understand how yousuf started trash talking to his senior
 
So much for being a sophisticated, educated person. This isn't the first time Rameez has struck below the belt and insulted Yousuf's apparent religiosity. Not surprised to see a few unsavoury characters on PP commending Rambo for such an idiotic personal attack; they engage in behavior like this all the time.

Yousuf, meanwhile, really needs to stop making a fool out of himself. He was certainly a great batsman but rubbing it in someone's face makes him come across as egotistical.

All in all, an embarrassing situation for both of them and Pakistan is humiliated further.
 
Shameful! Why do Pakistani have to make efforts to become the laughing stock? Ramiz as an international commentator is decent and is respected. Cant understand how he stooped to this level. Also, cant understand how yousuf started trash talking to his senior

I'm not defending anyone but this verbal diarrhea has been continuing for some time between the two. Rameez stooped to those lows, long before this specific incident.
 
From video, it seems that Ramiz held back a little, otherwise he could have destroyed Moyo easily, on the other hand Moyo crossed the lime which was shameful.
 
From video, it seems that Ramiz held back a little, otherwise he could have destroyed Moyo easily, on the other hand Moyo crossed the lime which was shameful.

How could Ramiz have destroyed Yousaf?

Yousaf destroyed Ramiz so easily by exposing Ramiz lack of quality as a cricketer and it was Ramiz who bought it upon himself by getting personal with Yousaf first. Hopefully will teach him to be 10 times more careful.
 
How could Ramiz have destroyed Yousaf?

Yousaf destroyed Ramiz so easily by exposing Ramiz lack of quality as a cricketer and it was Ramiz who bought it upon himself by getting personal with Yousaf first. Hopefully will teach him to be 10 times more careful.
Yousuf is the one who chose money over country and ran away to ICL

Yousuf is the guy who led the team to its worst overseas tour in history.
 
Shameless classless mullah (Yousuf) vs shameless classless uncle tom (Ramiz).

I have never seen any person with such extreme inferiority complex as Ramiz. If it was up to him, Yousuf would have stayed Christian, as he (Ramiz) was very proud of it. (evidence in his past commentary).
 
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