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[VIDEO] Boxing Day : Mohammad Yousuf and Rameez Raja in a heated argument

Yousuf is the one who chose money over country and ran away to ICL

Yousuf is the guy who led the team to its worst overseas tour in history.

so he's allowed to earn money how the public so called honest people want him to ?

and state the full fact on that, Yousuf was dropped for disciplinary action when he asked PCB to drop himself because he didn't want to play cricket in Ramzan
 
Rameez Raja an English teacher? Nah! English teachers don't make up their own words and phrases as they go along. Rameez could create an complete new edition of the Oxford English dictionary with the 'english' words and phrases he's invented. It makes one cringe every time he comes up with a new one during his commentary.

lol right, Ramiz is the last person I would want to be my English teacher, MoYo is only saying that because he lacks on that front, tbh Ramiz English proficiency is atrocious and has very limited vocabulary.

Everyone bashing MoYo should realize that Ramiz started the whole thing by getting personal and hence deservedly owned. MoYo has his shortcomings as an analyst but Ramiz is no saint either.
 
Shame on Geo for not cancelling the transmission when it got ugly instead they went for the ratings, really pathetic but what can you expect from a third class masala channel, Geo is equivalent to IndiaTV interms of substandard and low grade journalism.
 
Lols they are fighting like some politicians and besides they have a history of these verbal attacks on eachother. Watch some previous videoes and you will see that. But what I want to know is how this all started between these two?
 
Is it just me not bothered about whose right and whose wrong here as both of them reacted shamelessly like totally uncivilized fool ?


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Nope. They are both e diots. But Pakistan cricket is like wwf :yk so this is not out of the norm.

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Yousuf is the one who chose money over country and ran away to ICL

Yousuf is the guy who led the team to its worst overseas tour in history.

Ramiz is the one who has committed perjury. In any case, in this fight and argument Yousaf demolished Ramiz and reminded Ramiz of his lack of quality as a cricketer
 
Shame on Geo for not cancelling the transmission when it got ugly instead they went for the ratings, really pathetic but what can you expect from a third class masala channel, Geo is equivalent to IndiaTV interms of substandard and low grade journalism.

Nah dont blame GEO at all, they did the right thing, i am all for the truth and no censorship.
 
This looked disgusting, both of them taking shots on another, I cannot remember having seen that sort of indecency on live TV between Indian players here

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Look I am not saying that didn't look ugly, but come on man this is disgusting, I mean two men who have now retired are invited to live TV to get their expert opinion and they end up doing this? I mean I don't know about you but I felt like ashamed (maybe I never expected this from my fav team, but then....)

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Look I am not saying that didn't look ugly, but come on man this is disgusting, I mean two men who have now retired are invited to live TV to get their expert opinion and they end up doing this? I mean I don't know about you but I felt like ashamed (maybe I never expected this from my fav team, but then....)

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There is no doubt that it is really shameful stuff by these two 2 ex players. Doesn't matter whoever is the culprit, both are wrong and both crossed the limits. Which doesn't suit them at all.

Currently everything is going wrong with Pakistan's cricket, we have many problems and now our ex players are increasing more. And it's not a new thing for me, if i remember correctly Moyo and Ramiz fought 2 times in the past live on TV. And one thing more, Moyo has problems with every one like Moyo vs Afridi, vs Ramiz, vs YK e.t.c but still some tv channels are sticking to the, Why?

They don't care at all about country's cricket, they only care about their money and rankings.
 
Firstly, Yousuf has no right to lecture about integrity given he ran off to the ICL after being left out of the 2007 T20 WC and was one of the main instigators of oathgate.

Secondly, this argument that if you weren't a top cricketer your opinions are worthless is nonsense. Do you need 50 Test caps before you can form a cricketing opinion in Yousuf's world ? There have been many pundits and cricket journalists who have never played internationally but have been the best and most insightful analysts around.

Everybody is entitled to their opinions about Amir's comeback, if a commentator has a contrary view then respectfully disagree instead of holding their cricketing abilities against them or levelling personal insults at them. I didn't like Rameez stooping to Yousuf's level - everybody by now can see Yousuf's true character with his TV apperances where he makes a fool of himself - but Rameez making these remarks will only make Yousuf appear like the victim.

Amen.

I think Rameez had enough and boiled over.
 
There is no doubt that it is really shameful stuff by these two 2 ex players. Doesn't matter whoever is the culprit, both are wrong and both crossed the limits. Which doesn't suit them at all.

Currently everything is going wrong with Pakistan's cricket, we have many problems and now our ex players are increasing more. And it's not a new thing for me, if i remember correctly Moyo and Ramiz fought 2 times in the past live on TV. And one thing more, Moyo has problems with every one like Moyo vs Afridi, vs Ramiz, vs YK e.t.c but still some tv channels are sticking to the, Why?

They don't care at all about country's cricket, they only care about their money and rankings.
Absolutely, why bring two guys face to face when they can't resist each other? Again cheap journalism and disgusting behavior by those so-called Ex players

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This is why we will never succeed as a nation !

Bas apno ki he bajao tum log !
 
4 minutes of Ramiz Raja vs Mohammad Yousuf


Pretty obvious Yousuf instigated and acted like a big butt.

Also, how can anyone blame Geo? They're a corporation that's after ratings. Presenter tried to steer the convo, but it got away...
 
This looked disgusting, both of them taking shots on another, I cannot remember having seen that sort of indecency on live TV between Indian players here

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Indian players belong to a different class altogether, the reason being their higher education and awareness to conduct themselves professionally on social platforms as compared to Pakistani players who are mostly highschool dropouts (as SK put it), they're not like their counterparts who say whatever they feel like irrespective of occasion or platform without thinking it through.
 
Pretty obvious Yousuf instigated and acted like a big butt.

Also, how can anyone blame Geo? They're a corporation that's after ratings. Presenter tried to steer the convo, but it got away...

No he didn't, he just kept silent throughout the whole thing which is embarrassing to see. Should've interrupted the heated confrontation by going for a break but he didn't.
 
Indian players belong to a different class altogether, the reason being their higher education and awareness to conduct themselves professionally on social platforms as compared to Pakistani players who are mostly highschool dropouts (as SK put it), they're not like their counterparts who say whatever they feel like irrespective of occasion or platform without thinking it through.
Look I am not comparing anybody but their is line which none shall break especially those former players, I mean they are supposed to be role models for youngsters! again Shocked!

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4 minutes of Ramiz Raja vs Mohammad Yousuf

Education and/or coming from a middle class background does not make one more intelligent. Rameez Raja is living prood of that.

After having listened to the full interview, it seems as if Yousuf was talking about cricketing matters (whether or not you agree with his line of argument). But Rameez came in and straight away went for Yousuf's beard. That was a low down, below the belt punch. With that, there and then, Rameez lost the whole argument. The rest of the discussion is irrelevant.

As Socrates says: “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” And Rameez was the loser.
 
Education and/or coming from a middle class background does not make one more intelligent. Rameez Raja is living prood of that.

After having listened to the full interview, it seems as if Yousuf was talking about cricketing matters (whether or not you agree with his line of argument). But Rameez came in and straight away went for Yousuf's beard. That was a low down, below the belt punch. With that, there and then, Rameez lost the whole argument. The rest of the discussion is irrelevant.

As Socrates says: “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” And Rameez was the loser.

Yousuf attacked him first by taking a shot at Ramiz so don't know what you are talking about
 
People missing the point here - this is a long running fued - they just wanted to sat this to each other anyways, just needed an excuse
 
People are acting as if Ramiz is some kind of gentleman. Still now he is trying to block and bad mouth Amir (Even though he completed his punishment) and pull the strings of Hafeez and Azhar to oppose Amir's inclusion. This guy always kept his mouth shut against any back-stabbing to Pakistan caused by BCCI. Knowing English and uttering some sophisticated worlds (Basically picked from others) does not make him a cricket expert. He does not know anything about our domestic cricket.
 
Yousuf attacked him first by taking a shot at Ramiz so don't know what you are talking about
Unless I missed something,Yousuf didn't mention Rameez's name prior to Rameez's attack on Yousuf's beard. Referring to a "3rd person" doesn't count. ( for what it's worth, I'd like to mention that I'm not a fan of maulvi's, imam's, sheikhs or preachers, bearded or otherwise.)
 
Education and/or coming from a middle class background does not make one more intelligent. Rameez Raja is living prood of that.

After having listened to the full interview, it seems as if Yousuf was talking about cricketing matters (whether or not you agree with his line of argument). But Rameez came in and straight away went for Yousuf's beard. That was a low down, below the belt punch. With that, there and then, Rameez lost the whole argument. The rest of the discussion is irrelevant.

As Socrates says: “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” And Rameez was the loser.

That's ridiculous. Yousuf basically called Ramiz a useless cricketer. How would you like it if someone told you that you were terrible at your lifelong occupation? That's more personal and malicious than saying don't lie if you're going to keep a beard.
 
So if Ramiz insulted others using abusive words (Makkar... ) that's very artistic? He can not abusive people for 1 mistake in the past and leveled him as a serial offender/criminal. Eventhough I don't like Yousuf but Ramiz needs to be trimmed down and hear that he was one of worst opener played for Pakistan with 0 sense of knowledge about cricket and our players.
 
So if Ramiz insulted others using abusive words (Makkar... ) that's very artistic? He can not abusive people for 1 mistake in the past and leveled him as a serial offender/criminal. Eventhough I don't like Yousuf but Ramiz needs to be trimmed down and hear that he was one of worst opener played for Pakistan with 0 sense of knowledge about cricket and our players.
Why is ramiz made David Gower of commentating in Pak, I mean are you guys seriously lacking better English speaking Ex players??

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That's ridiculous. Yousuf basically called Ramiz a useless cricketer. How would you like it if someone told you that you were terrible at your lifelong occupation? That's more personal and malicious than saying don't lie if you're going to keep a beard.
This occurred after the attack on Yousuf's beard. By attacking the beard, Rameez lost the argument there and then. The rest of the trading insults shouting match becomes irrelevant from that moment onwards.

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
 
Indian players belong to a different class altogether, the reason being their higher education and awareness to conduct themselves professionally on social platforms as compared to Pakistani players who are mostly highschool dropouts (as SK put it), they're not like their counterparts who say whatever they feel like irrespective of occasion or platform without thinking it through.

Its about time PCB appoint Rahul Dravid for a workshop on ethics and public behaviour.

I am unable to understand the members here who are like ' Yousuf owned ramiz ' and Ramiz owned Yousuf'! Cmon, this is disgraceful. You cannot talk like that to each other on a public platform. Nobody was owned, it was Pakistani Cricket's image that got hampered. This video is public, and for everyone to see across nations. What a shame!
 
Why is ramiz made David Gower of commentating in Pak, I mean are you guys seriously lacking better English speaking Ex players??

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He is better than some of our ex and current players but not that good as he thinks himself
 
Unless I missed something,Yousuf didn't mention Rameez's name prior to Rameez's attack on Yousuf's beard. Referring to a "3rd person" doesn't count. ( for what it's worth, I'd like to mention that I'm not a fan of maulvi's, imam's, sheikhs or preachers, bearded or otherwise.)

yaar everyoYoune knows what he meant by 3rd person.
 
Moyo is going to be Moyo, but Rameez is the most annoying. He acts all sophisticated and classy in front of the world but then shows his true nature in segments like these time to time. Rameez usually initiates the insults, there is no way Moyo will sit back and not retaliate. Rameez is a disgrace to Pakistan. Rameez has insulted Moyo quite a few times when he wasn't even there.
 
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Could have meant Misbah since there is a thread stating Misbah 'brainwashed' Azhar?

nah he said can only speak and whatnot. lol just watch the whole show then

khair this is secondary news now

Yasir shah. :/

Pak cricket always keeps us on the hook
 
yaar everyoYoune knows what he meant by 3rd person.
Doesn't matter if 'everyone knows'. Sure, most people know, but there are many others, as well as Rameez, who have also objected to Amir's inclusion. It's one thing saying a "3rd person" when many (but not everyone) can understand who that "3rd person" is likely to be, but it's nowhere near the same as actually mentioning a specific name.

Rameez not only took it upon himself to state that he's the "3rd person", but, as I said, Yousuf's points were still related to the arguments about whether Amir should, or should not. be picked. Rameez's opening shot attacking the beard, and not refuting the argument, resulted in him losing there and then. The rest of the discussion and mud slinging became irrelevant from that moment on.

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.” Rameez was the loser.
 
How exactly my friend? Yousaf had the most effective come backs compared to a clueless ramiz.

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Not surprised to see this. After all, you echo MoYo's views that unless you are an all-time great yourself, your opinion is not valid. All I saw was MoYo showing his lack of education, while Rameez showed decency. Yes, you can say that his (perfectly valid) beard remark was below the belt, but let us not forget that MoYo started with his cheap shot before Rameez even spoke.

How is Rameez's Test record valid when it comes to his opinion on whether Amir should play or not? How is this an effective comeback? Rameez himself could have said a lot in response: MoYo choking in three straight World Cups while Rameez was pivotal to our success in 92, MoYo also was the worst captain in Pakistan's history and chose money over national pride when he limped to play in the ICL.

All I say in this exchange was the difference between an educated and uneducated person, and it becomes worse when that uneducated person also sports a huge beard.
 
Watched it live. Yousuf shouldn't have jumped in when Ramiz was asked about Amir. He already had his turn.
Not surprising though, these 2 have had these fights before
 
Infact,when I saw Yousuf and Ramiz together, I was waiting for a fight to break out :P
 
I think this beef had been brewing for too long and I'm glad they embarrassed themselves and got it out of their systems. Although Yusuf absolutely slaughtered him! What was he on about, "Rameez took his family to court"????
 
Will watch the video in a while but going by the transcript ramiz should not have mentioned the beard thing and used such bad words. The truth is in the history of pak cricket ramiz is a nobody and has zero clue about Pakistan cricket. It's clear he has a bit of an inferiority complex. Yes he's better educated but this exchange reflects the discrimination that moyo has had to face since he reverted to Islam.

The moulvi comment was a ghatiya islamaphobic comment. Rameez stance against Amir is also ghatiya and moyo just said what many on here say about Ramiz. But coz he has a beard and says Allah Allah people start to discriminate.

Also ramiz being from a different background compared to moyo also reflects Pakistani society in many ways. The rich English speakers vs the poorer non English speakers.
 
Absolutely no surprises in seeing the pseudo-liberals defending Ramiz over the comments.
 
Heck I can't stand Mohammad Yousuf. I wonder what his ulterior motives are; he's one of a kind among all retired players from every cricket playing nation.
 
The sooner moyo is taken off air the better

Hes an absolute buffoon with no respect for anyone even himself
 
Not surprised to see this. After all, you echo MoYo's views that unless you are an all-time great yourself, your opinion is not valid. All I saw was MoYo showing his lack of education, while Rameez showed decency. Yes, you can say that his (perfectly valid) beard remark was below the belt, but let us not forget that MoYo started with his cheap shot before Rameez even spoke.

How is Rameez's Test record valid when it comes to his opinion on whether Amir should play or not? How is this an effective comeback? Rameez himself could have said a lot in response: MoYo choking in three straight World Cups while Rameez was pivotal to our success in 92, MoYo also was the worst captain in Pakistan's history and chose money over national pride when he limped to play in the ICL.

All I say in this exchange was the difference between an educated and uneducated person, and it becomes worse when that uneducated person also sports a huge beard.

What? Are you out of your freaking mind? It was Ramiz who started taking cheap shots at MoYo and got personal first followed by MoYo who still maintained some level of decency by targeting his overall record as a player instead of using abusive and inappropriate words like "gatiya, makkar etc" on live TV, the manner in which Ramiz spoke was derogatory and shameful tbh, it was pathetic on so many levels, you still consider him educated and decent after this rant? :facepalm:
 
What? Are you out of your freaking mind? It was Ramiz who started taking cheap shots at MoYo and got personal first followed by MoYo who still maintained some level of decency by targeting his overall record as a player instead of using abusive and inappropriate words like "gatiya, makkar etc" on live TV, the manner in which Ramiz spoke was derogatory and shameful tbh, it was pathetic on so many levels, you still consider him educated and decent after this rant? :facepalm:

Ramiz is a fake, a wannabe and a pretend who always wants to impress others.

It's less to do with education and more about his personalty.

Yousaf is no saint or scholar either but about time someone put Ramiz in his place.
 
Will watch the video in a while but going by the transcript ramiz should not have mentioned the beard thing and used such bad words. The truth is in the history of pak cricket ramiz is a nobody and has zero clue about Pakistan cricket. It's clear he has a bit of an inferiority complex. Yes he's better educated but this exchange reflects the discrimination that moyo has had to face since he reverted to Islam.

The moulvi comment was a ghatiya islamaphobic comment. Rameez stance against Amir is also ghatiya and moyo just said what many on here say about Ramiz. But coz he has a beard and says Allah Allah people start to discriminate.

Also ramiz being from a different background compared to moyo also reflects Pakistani society in many ways. The rich English speakers vs the poorer non English speakers.

I am sorry but Ramiz is as uneducated and illiterate as they come, his English speaking ability is masking his innate jahililiat which is there for everyone to see in this rant, look at the manner in which he is speaking, its disgusting. BTW his English proficiency is not as bright as some claim to be, to MoYo yes since he can't speak English but I wouldn't want him to be my English professor.
 
I am not sure if this is from the start, but I think both of them had some old scores to settle.

First, it was MoYo that started - there are many, many more people apart from those 2 & the "3rd man", who has problems with Aamir returning in PAK team; there was no need to instigate Rameez. After that, both matched each but I 'll put blame on Rameez here - he should understand that a "nanga" (naked) can pee everywhere, but you can't do that on a lamp post in your suits.

Second, MoYo is trying to justify that Aamir should be called back for his talent, which is absolutely idiotic. It's not about talent, it's about a policy - ICC/PCB/British Judiciary has found Aamir guilty, he served his term, now ICC has given PCB the option to call back Aamir, which they have decided to take based on Aamir's performance & teams' need. From PCB's point, they are right as the Governing body has allowed them to call back a player who makes the team better - it's not that they are lobbying for Aamir to overcome a life ban. And, this is applicable to the other 2 (or anyone in future) as well, if they can make the team on merit.

3. Rameez (& those who are against), has their side of story as well. It's not an issue of using drugs, dope or attending mujra - it's about inside trading PAK team. We can debate whole night that a 18 years old kid bowled 2 NO balls in exchange of money, didn't lose the match; I 'll go one step further (based on my experience of many PAK cricketers & their commonsense level) - Aamir might not even had the clue what he was doing or what could be the consequence of those 2 balls & he might had been influenced by his Captain as well, BUT, the truth remains same - he was ready to follow instructions of a fixer, in exchange of money/favor ahead of his team interest & can do that again.

I think, here most posters are supportive to MoYo, because they are relating it with 2 ideologies - MoYo is in favor of Aamir while Rameez is trying to block that; naturally, most posters (I say 80%+) are in favor of Aamir, therefore actually overlooking MoYo's attitude, who is an absolute disgrace of a media personality. And I am sure, I have heard even more harsh words from Afridi regarding MoYo's beard, "topi" & double standards somewhere in PP - but then, Afridi has majority follower in PP, therefore that day MoYo lost, which again is a duplicity.

MoYo has absolutely no right to question Rameez's credibility as a Cricketer (as a Cricket media personal not even remotely close) - it's not about what Rameez achieved as individual player, because with mouth-piece, he is not going to play. Rammez was the regular opener for best part of a decade, during the best period of Pakistan cricket - LED BY A CAPTAIN WHO DROPPED HIS COUSIN, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T DESERVE TO BE IN THE TEAM - SO, MUST BE ON MERIT. What Rameez & his mates achieved in 10 years, the experience that Rameez went through or the "moments" that he had been part of; players like MoYo can't even dream off - which makes Rameez far, far superior when it comes to talk about cricket, AS AN ANALYST.

I think, Rameez was blown out of his mind, therefore brought himself to the level of an illiterate Molla, otherwise he had enough materials to pull out everything of the Molla - "Topi", "dari", "kurta" ............... He could have talked about ICL, when this Molla left PAK at his brilliant best to play tamasha cricket with his "Brother", knowing that he might not be allowed to represent PAK again. And, let me inform that MoYo himself is a fixer - that ICL tournament was entirely fixed, it was scripted that Lahore Badshah 'll be in Final so that PAK TV viewership remains intact and there'll be a 3rd Final for highest TRP of Zee Sports (so the drama of 2nd Final). I have few friends in that Dhaka Worrier team & I want this post to stay intact .................

Rameez could have talked about the oath-taking, which is actually bigger crime than match fixing in some administration (anyone having relatives in army can check - what is the punishment for conspiracy against the officer in charge)

Rameez could have talked about MoYos "monafeki" in club cricket more than once - he received payment from one club & then contracted with other, without NOC & at least twice I can recall, Dhaka League authority had to call arbitration for this Molla........


In this debacle, only sane person was the anchor, who tried his best, but his Producer is another crook .........


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Ramiz is a fake, a wannabe and a pretend who always wants to impress others.

It's less to do with education and more about his personalty.

Yousaf is no saint or scholar either but about time someone put Ramiz in his place.

+1

Ramiz is arrogant and plain stupid, he thinks just because he can speak English and being the sole Pakistani commentator in IPL he is above other former Pakistani players who lack in that front. I always knew he was a selfish and pretentious individual but never knew he can fall so low to defend himself. It just exposes his personality and cheap character.
 
Remind me. Wasn't Rameez raja Pakistan's leading run scorer in the 92 World Cup?
Javed Maindad it was . . though he did score a crucial century against New Zealand in a must win game which was like a quater final that too when Pakistan were chasing a poultry total of around 200 runs. Had it not been for Ramiz Raja we wd hv lost that match for sure and would hv been out of the world cup so he indeed played his part and I think he also scored a century against West indies in our opening game though it was in the losing cause as brain lara and Desmond Hanes thrashed our bowlers to all parts of the ground ..

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Sometimes calling an illiterate bearded bigot an insult to the religion he represents is justified.
Moyo is a footnote in terms of relevance to Pakistan cricket. Rameez is not. The only thing that Rameez can be critiqued for is bothering with this waste of space. Understandably moyo talks a big game now. Pity he had no courage when it mattered on the field. A cowardly player and now a television hack. The shoe fits very precisely.
 
Great response from Yousuf and absolutely disgraceful stuff from Rameez baja. Prejudiced and personal comments against Yousuf's religion and appearance actually show rameez ' low mentality and aukaat. He has no arguments to support his views. This is not the first time he has made personal attacks against Yousuf. Absolutely cheap person a nothing player not even worth Yousuf's shoelace.
 
Will watch the video in a while but going by the transcript ramiz should not have mentioned the beard thing and used such bad words. The truth is in the history of pak cricket ramiz is a nobody and has zero clue about Pakistan cricket. It's clear he has a bit of an inferiority complex. Yes he's better educated but this exchange reflects the discrimination that moyo has had to face since he reverted to Islam.

The moulvi comment was a ghatiya islamaphobic comment. Rameez stance against Amir is also ghatiya and moyo just said what many on here say about Ramiz. But coz he has a beard and says Allah Allah people start to discriminate.

Also ramiz being from a different background compared to moyo also reflects Pakistani society in many ways. The rich English speakers vs the poorer non English speakers.

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Because people on here have personal hate for Yousuf they siding with Ramiz Raja. Clearly Ramiz went personal with his beard comment abd makkar. But no that's allowed. Not backing any of the 2. But Yousuf didn't say anything directly or personal to Ramiz and was talkikg about cricket and Amir but Ramiz thew his toys out of the pram like a baby and went personal and 80% of people on here supporting Ramiz just beacuse of personal hate for Yousuf.
It's a shame. All I can say fools and uneducated are people like you lot. We have seen what education has done to Ramiz and most of you lot that have personal hate for people and get personal. Don't degrade a person for his education and sorry for stating the truth.
 
Ramiz was a mediocre player, a horrible captain and a stupid commentator. Has zero knowledge of Pakistan cricket but is delusional and considers himself an expert. His cheap shots targeting MoYo's religious appearance were pathetic and show his low mentality.
 
4 minutes of Ramiz Raja vs Mohammad Yousuf

Watching this it clearly shows that yousuf was the one that instigated this by indirectly targetting ramiz (the 3rd person) by saying we shouldnt listen to people who have done nothing in their career

Yousuf has no shame or respect What is he doing on tv?
 
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Remind me. Wasn't Rameez raja Pakistan's leading run scorer in the 92 World Cup?

No. That was Miandad. Rameez got an awful, slow century in the opening match against WI though. Pak scored something like 220-2 in their 50 overs. WI blew past that target.
 
Mohammad Yousuf turned his back on his country to play ICL. What are posters' opinions on that?

His credibility = zero.
 
Rameez being a pro of sorts (commentator & PSL ambassador) should have behaved in a appropriate manner. The guy is full of himself.

Yusuf on the other hand should keep his mouth shut and stay away from TV interviews.
 
Watching this it clearly shows that yousuf was the one that instigated this by indirectly targetting ramiz (the 3rd person) by saying we shouldnt listen to people who have done nothing in their career

Yousuf has no shame or respect What is he doing on tv?

Ramiz could have provided reasonable counter argument, but resorting to personal attack by bringing his beard into the debate was not needed. That's where he lost the plot. Not the first time Ramiz mentioned about his beard at his absent.
 
Rameez being a pro of sorts (commentator & PSL ambassador) should have behaved in a appropriate manner. The guy is full of himself.

Yusuf on the other hand should keep his mouth shut and stay away from TV interviews.

Promotion of Ramiz Raja as ambassador of PSL is a big mistake. Given his documented stances on Mohammad Amir, it is conflict of interest now.
 
Watched the whole debate.

Yousaf started it but Rameez is obsessed with beard. Its bizarre.

Both acted disgracefully, the channels obviously bring them together for ratings.
 
This occurred after the attack on Yousuf's beard. By attacking the beard, Rameez lost the argument there and then. The rest of the trading insults shouting match becomes irrelevant from that moment onwards.

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

That's what ppers are failing to understand. Although Yousuf did leave veiled hint through third-party comment, but bringing his beard on the table shows you have already lost the plot hence the acceptable saying; "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser". :)

Ramiz Raja is very smart man who could have easily provided reasonable counter argument. It is rarity to see him losing the temper. I hope he learns the lesson for the next debate. That being said, it happens. Everyone have one off day.
 
Moyo is wrong here like always. He has so much venom inside him, so much ego. How can u say such things on national television? Ramiz should have controlled himself and that would have been better but i dont blame him at all for what he said. It would be hard for any person to just listen and not respond to such venomous insults.
 
Brother, we all are making one fundamental mistake - Rambo or MoYo, whoever is better cricketer or analyst doesn't permit them to go at each other like this in live TV. But, to be honest, MoYo started this. Rameez managed to play few more Test than he should have, partially because he was lucky to be around when there was a transition in PAK cricket, but he was quite a decent ODI player, stats might not tell that, because of generation gap from contemporary game.

Regarding Cricket expert, I actually don't agree with you - you don't need to play 100 Test or average 45+ to be an expert or analyst. It's not that RR is great analyst, but one can't tell that, you shouldn't talk about cricket because you have done nothing in Cricket.

By the way, I was going through Cricinfo review of PSL teams (from personal curiosity because I myself did lots of work on this) - the columnist dropped Imad from KK team & played 4 pacers in a T20 tournament in UAE (& 7 bowlers including Malik & Sakib); dropped Maqsood from Lahore team & made Zalmi the most balanced team - that writer is a paid columnist & must be reputed Cricket expert, because he writes regularly in CricInfo, therefore you can't question Rambo on his expertise on cricket.

Now, we cannot as you have set (or buried) the bar too low (or deep). :)
 
That's what ppers are failing to understand. Although Yousuf did leave veiled hint through third-party comment, but bringing his beard on the table shows you have already lost the plot hence the acceptable saying; "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser". :)

Ramiz Raja is very smart man who could have easily provided reasonable counter argument. It is rarity to see him losing the temper. I hope he learns the lesson for the next debate. That being said, it happens. Everyone have one off day.

Its hardly a 3rd party scenario here . even though moyo didnt name rameez, it was crystal clear who he was referring to.
 
Its hardly a 3rd party scenario here . even though moyo didnt name rameez, it was crystal clear who he was referring to.

He could have responded the similar way. Just troll him back in his game. Why personal attack citing "beard"?
 
How is Yusuf having a beard relevant? Rameez Raja could have trolled him back rather than resorting to personal insults.
 
Watching this it clearly shows that yousuf was the one that instigated this by indirectly targetting ramiz (the 3rd person) by saying we shouldnt listen to people who have done nothing in their career

Yousuf has no shame or respect What is he doing on tv?
Rubbish conclusion.

It's one thing saying a "3rd person" even when many (but not everyone) can understand who that "3rd person" is likely to be, but it's nowhere near the same as actually mentioning a specific name. Especially since, in addition to Rameez, others have also been against the inclusion of Amir.

Rameez not only took it upon himself to state that he's the "3rd person", but Yousuf's points were still related to the arguments about whether Amir should, or should not, be picked. Rameez's opening shot attacking the beard, instead of trying to refute the argument about Amir's inclusion, resulted in Rameez losing there and then. The rest of the discussion and mud slinging became irrelevant from that moment on.

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

Rameez was the clear loser. By attacking the beard (and I'm no fan of maulvi's, bearded or otherwise) Rameez stooped so low he fell into the gutter.
 
He could have responded the similar way. Just troll him back in his game. Why personal attack citing "beard"?

To be honest its easier said than done. Sometimes you just cant control yourself and think it through before responding. And what moyo did was downplay rameez as a cricketer which was his profession. Thats the hardest thing for a man to ignore.
 
To be honest its easier said than done. Sometimes you just cant control yourself and think it through before responding. And what moyo did was downplay rameez as a cricketer which was his profession. Thats the hardest thing for a man to ignore.
People like ramiz can't swallow the bitter truth and reality which is why they resort to unwarranted personal attacks.

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To be honest its easier said than done. Sometimes you just cant control yourself and think it through before responding. And what moyo did was downplay rameez as a cricketer which was his profession. Thats the hardest thing for a man to ignore.

I know but you cannot stop Yousuf questioning the credibility of Ramiz Raja as commentator knowing his limited stature as batsman in Test format in the past. As i said, Ramiz Raja just had odd day where he lost the temper after his past came into the question.

Pakistan is a nation where most people spot beard. Ramiz Raja needs to go easy on beard knowing the angry beard crowd. :jf
 
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