[VIDEOS] Andrew Tate and brother Tristan to be tried in Romania on rape and trafficking charges [Update on post #1294]

[Waq]

I can see there are many posters on this thread who believe Tate is innocent of crimes against women and this is all a conspiracy by an unnamed entity or ‘matrix’ because of a war on Islam or a war on free speech.

If you are one of these people then may I ask if you can explain why Andrew Tate has made videos, some in-fact were specific tutorial videos that formed syllabus content of his online hustlers university course that he sold at around £50, saying that he pimped women and continued to psychologically control them for financial gain. He admits the lover boy crimes on his own channel. Why did Tate do this? Are these videos doctored or was Tate lying and simply having a laugh.

I await your answers on this crucial point.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ok so you as a poster feel that Tate was being cancelled before he even converted to Islam. I don’t like the term cancelled as the term is used loosely without context. I prefer to say something on the lines that instagram and other social media sites were actively looking at Tate’s accounts and censoring him or banning him but these tech firms were not consistently applying their policies to other user accounts.

Your post acknowledges that Tate was being censored before becoming Muslim and I share that view too.

Let me be clear too about my posts. Andrew Tate has not been charged of crimes against women but he has been arrested and is on remand for over 60 days.

If I say that I believe Tate is guilty then this is my opinion and not a fact of law. I base my opinion on videos I have seen of him pimping, which is consistent with the crimes that he has been arrested for.

I even posted on this thread a month or two ago that I have a social media model type female friend who was approached by Tristan Tate to go to Romania on an all expenses paid romantic date and this happened via her dm’s without him ever meeting her in person. This is consistent with the the prosecutions allegations against the Tate brothers using the ‘lover boy’ method of sexual exploitation and I have seen these dms but since I’m not sharing screenshots on here then I’m happy to be disbelieved or this to be disregarded.

I am aware in the media of two potential victims who state they were not sexually exploited and psychiatrist have given contrary evidence about their mental state. I can’t say much more without seeing the evidence and I don’t know how many victims there are overall.

I appreciate you clarified HE HAS NOT been convicted of any crime and has no criminal history. Therefore its unfair to use the term crimes and criminal past if there is no conviction, as you stated its your mere opinion . You have also confirmed your opinion is based on not seeing the evidence.

Do you not believe in innocent until proven guilty? This is a fundamental principle in law in most nations in human history. The reality is at this moment, he is an innocent man being held in a corrupt Eastern European nation for over 2 months without a single charge. Surely if the was clear proof of crimes, charges would have taken place by now. In the UK he would have been free a long time ago. Interesting you put faith in the Romanian legal system, when its fair to assume most Romanians dont.

There are over 150 cops from the MET being investigated for sexual offences. Do you also believe they are guilty before conviction and do you spend as much time discussing their case? The reason I ask this , so many are interested in this story but turn a blind eye to far more serious allegations, heck the Epstein cases and his peado mates have yet to be fully resolved.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I can see there are many posters on this thread who believe Tate is innocent of crimes against women and this is all a conspiracy by an unnamed entity or ‘matrix’ because of a war on Islam or a war on free speech.

If you are one of these people then may I ask if you can explain why Andrew Tate has made videos, some in-fact were specific tutorial videos that formed syllabus content of his online hustlers university course that he sold at around £50, saying that he pimped women and continued to psychologically control them for financial gain. He admits the lover boy crimes on his own channel. Why did Tate do this? Are these videos doctored or was Tate lying and simply having a laugh.

I await your answers on this crucial point.

I dont care what religion he is , the war against Islam has been on-going for a long time but can never be won.

What is a lover boy crime? Please cite the criminal code or offence under Romanian law or even UK law. Not many have heard of such a crime.

 

[sweep_shot]

I can see there are many posters on this thread who believe Tate is innocent of crimes against women and this is all a conspiracy by an unnamed entity or ‘matrix’ because of a war on Islam or a war on free speech.

If you are one of these people then may I ask if you can explain why Andrew Tate has made videos, some in-fact were specific tutorial videos that formed syllabus content of his online hustlers university course that he sold at around £50, saying that he pimped women and continued to psychologically control them for financial gain. He admits the lover boy crimes on his own channel. Why did Tate do this? Are these videos doctored or was Tate lying and simply having a laugh.

I await your answers on this crucial point.

I do not care about Tate and I don't listen to him or watch his videos.

But, I have this one question. Why are they going after him now? Why not before converting to Islam? These information were known for a very long time. They could've arrested/prosecuted him much earlier; why did they wait so long?

 

[Waq]

I appreciate you clarified HE HAS NOT been convicted of any crime and has no criminal history. Therefore its unfair to use the term crimes and criminal past if there is no conviction, as you stated its your mere opinion . You have also confirmed your opinion is based on not seeing the evidence.

Do you not believe in innocent until proven guilty? This is a fundamental principle in law in most nations in human history. The reality is at this moment, he is an innocent man being held in a corrupt Eastern European nation for over 2 months without a single charge. Surely if the was clear proof of crimes, charges would have taken place by now. In the UK he would have been free a long time ago. Interesting you put faith in the Romanian legal system, when its fair to assume most Romanians dont.

There are over 150 cops from the MET being investigated for sexual offences. Do you also believe they are guilty before conviction and do you spend as much time discussing their case? The reason I ask this , so many are interested in this story but turn a blind eye to far more serious allegations, heck the Epstein cases and his peado mates have yet to be fully resolved.

I am not interested in discussing your bottom paragraph here as it is irrelevant to the Tate matter. I’ll happily share my view on Epstein, Met police and other world affairs if you tag me in the relevant thread.

I’m not interesting in discussing on why Tate has not been charged yet as I’ve already multiple times that I don’t know and the details are confidential and that the investigation is ongoing.

I have seen evidence that leads me to believe Tate is guilty and refer you to post today made on this Tate thread at uk time 6.25pm. Please do kindly answer and other posters too who believe he is innocent.

 

[Waq]

I dont care what religion he is , the war against Islam has been on-going for a long time but can never be won.

What is a lover boy crime? Please cite the criminal code or offence under Romanian law or even UK law. Not many have heard of such a crime.

Hi I’m afraid that you are free to waste your time but not mine if you cannot be bothered to research crimes around a man that you are defending. I am not going to be your tutor.

You either give your view on why Tate sold online syllabus content on pimping women and how to sexually exploiting them or you ignore it. If you choose the latter of ignoring then have a great day and respectfully don’t waste my time.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am not interested in discussing your bottom paragraph here as it is irrelevant to the Tate matter. I’ll happily share my view on Epstein, Met police and other world affairs if you tag me in the relevant thread.

I’m not interesting in discussing on why Tate has not been charged yet as I’ve already multiple times that I don’t know and the details are confidential and that the investigation is ongoing.

I have seen evidence that leads me to believe Tate is guilty and refer you to post today made on this Tate thread at uk time 6.25pm. Please do kindly answer and other posters too who believe he is innocent.

I apologise I cannot see this evidence you talk of. Please make it clear and explain which penal/criminal law acc to the Romanian law he has broken. Tates lawyer says she has seen nothing, Tate says he has seen nothing.

 

[Technics 1210]

Have a great day and I wish you well.

Let’s see if you genuinely withdraw any support for him if he gets charged and convicted or you call it a conspiracy against Islam?

I wouldn't worry about me, but what I have seen from you and others is a classic case of guilty until proven innocent, far from genuine.

As I said the thinking and logic you display is a far greater threat than Tate's view combined with all the other ideals liberals are forcing upon society.

There are no facts you have cited which prove Tate is guilty in a court of law let alone a criminal, otherwise he'd be in prison a long time ago, all I see is hope and prejiduce from your side.

 

[Waq]

I wouldn't worry about me, but what I have seen from you and others is a classic case of guilty until proven innocent, far from genuine.

As I said the thinking and logic you display is a far greater threat than Tate's view combined with all the other ideals liberals are forcing upon society.

There are no facts you have cited which prove Tate is guilty in a court of law let alone a criminal, otherwise he'd be in prison a long time ago, all I see is hope and prejiduce from your side.

What possibly gave you the idea that I’m worried?

Please do explain how my thinking is dangerous, specific would be nice? Am I wrong to believe that Tate is guilty because he made university syllabus content teaching people how to sexually exploit and pimp women?

Are you also going to avoid giving opinions on why Tate made such self incriminating videos?

 

[MenInG]

ONCE AGAIN

DO NOT MAKE ANY PERSONAL REMARKS

DO NOT REFER TO ANYONE's personal life

 

[Waq]

Im only defending his right 'innocent until proven guilty'. You are the one who claims there is proof and he is guilty but suddenly cant find it?

Just say you made it up and stop wasting your own and everyones time.

Of course the basic premise is innocent until proven guilty but we are here as commentators discussing the case.

So will you ever care to comment on why Tate made self incriminating videos for university syllabus content teaching how to pimp women and sexually exploit them?

 

[Technics 1210]

What possibly gave you the idea that I’m worried?

Please do explain how my thinking is dangerous, specific would be nice? Am I wrong to believe that Tate is guilty because he made university syllabus content teaching people how to sexually exploit and pimp women?

Are you also going to avoid giving opinions on why Tate made such self incriminating videos?

You believe one is guilty before proven innocent - case in point. This is a fascist mentality.

I answered your points, simply, if Tate created self-incriminating videos, he'd be convicted as a criminal in a court of law a long time ago and would be serving a prison sentence. Now are you going to avoid answering why Tate is not a convicted criminal despite these so called self-incriminating videos? I have asked you a few times.

Not to mention some of the women involved came out in his defence and provided an affidavit stating he did no such thing he is accused of, and said women were treated just fine, and with consent.

For someone who doesn't follow Tate you sure are pretty vocal on Tate. This is psychological control, by the media, on mass scale.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Of course the basic premise is innocent until proven guilty but we are here as commentators discussing the case.

So will you ever care to comment on why Tate made self incriminating videos for university syllabus content teaching how to pimp women and sexually exploit them?

Which videos and which law has he broken in these videos? You made the claim you think he is guilty as per some evidence but cannot show what this is and what law acc to Romania?

 

[Waq]

You believe one is guilty before proven innocent - case in point. This is a fascist mentality.

I answered your points, simply, if Tate created self-incriminating videos, he'd be convicted as a criminal in a court of law a long time ago and would be serving a prison sentence. Now are you going to avoid answering why Tate is not a convicted criminal despite these so called self-incriminating videos? I have asked you a few times.

Not to mention some of the women involved came out in his defence and provided an affidavit stating he did no such thing he is accused of, and said women were treated just fine, and with consent.

For someone who doesn't follow Tate you sure are pretty vocal on Tate. This is psychological control, by the media, on mass scale.

In your opinion it is fascist to believe somebody is guilty unless they are found guilty in court. By that logic, we shouldn’t discuss the matter as it an ongoing investigation. I however find this case and Tate intriguing and will continue to discuss the case and give my opinions. If that makes me a fascist because I don’t agree with you then so be it.

I don’t think you’ve adequately answered why Tate has made self incriminating university syllabus comments about pimping women. Please do show me where you have?

I’m trying to contain my laughter as you’ve asked me why Tate isn’t yet in prison for these self incriminating videos but isn’t he in prison on remand right now for over 70 days and being investigated as we speak. He may well be charged and found guilty but none of his defenders can explain he made these videos in the first place.

Yes I’m aware of women who are alleged victims who claim Tate is innocent. This makes the case intriguing and sure the genuineness is being investigated. If Tate is charged then the evidence will come out.

My friend why do you make things up about me? When did I ever say that I don’t follow Tate or this case?

 

[Waq]

Which videos and which law has he broken in these videos? You made the claim you think he is guilty as per some evidence but cannot show what this is and what law acc to Romania?

Wow, so you don’t know the crimes that Tate was arrested for or any details of the allegations?? Seriously? So why are you defending Tate on here if you haven’t even bothered checking and don’t know?

I’ve posted two videos links already were Tate teaches students how to link women in this thread and quoted you.

 

[sweep_shot]

Wow, so you don’t know the crimes that Tate was arrested for or any details of the allegations?? Seriously? So why are you defending Tate on here if you haven’t even bothered checking and don’t know?

I’ve posted two videos links already were Tate teaches students how to link women in this thread and quoted you.

Why wasn't he arrested before then? Why was he arrested only about 3 months ago? What took so long?

Did his conversion to Islam and/or speaking against deep state play a factor?

 

[Technics 1210]

In your opinion it is fascist to believe somebody is guilty unless they are found guilty in court. By that logic, we shouldn’t discuss the matter as it an ongoing investigation. I however find this case and Tate intriguing and will continue to discuss the case and give my opinions. If that makes me a fascist because I don’t agree with you then so be it.

I don’t think you’ve adequately answered why Tate has made self incriminating university syllabus comments about pimping women. Please do show me where you have?

I’m trying to contain my laughter as you’ve asked me why Tate isn’t yet in prison for these self incriminating videos but isn’t he in prison on remand right now for over 70 days and being investigated as we speak. He may well be charged and found guilty but none of his defenders can explain he made these videos in the first place.

Yes I’m aware of women who are alleged victims who claim Tate is innocent. This makes the case intriguing and sure the genuineness is being investigated. If Tate is charged then the evidence will come out.

My friend why do you make things up about me? When did I ever say that I don’t follow Tate or this case?

Correct, someone who believes someone is guilty until proven innocent is displaying a fascist mindset. This has nothing to do with discussing a case, but everything to do with being objective. You are not being objective here, but subjective. You fail to see the hypocrisy that shrouds this case.

You can laugh all you want - you have yet to explain why Tate was not convicted of crimes based on his self incriminating videos. Forget the 70 days he's been held in detention, you were refering to self incriminating videos he created years ago! And even by your own admission, Tate was investigated in the past, but no charges despite these so called videos.

It is clear the Romanian authorities have no evidence, maybe email them these self-incriminating videos because in a normal society a person that is arrested on suspicion is not held for more than 30 days, this includes suspected terrorists, but is swiftly either charged based on evidence gathered before the arrest, or released.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Wow, so you don’t know the crimes that Tate was arrested for or any details of the allegations?? Seriously? So why are you defending Tate on here if you haven’t even bothered checking and don’t know?

I’ve posted two videos links already were Tate teaches students how to link women in this thread and quoted you.

Arrest doesn't mean anything, convictions do.

There as no incriminating evidence any of the videos. I would stop now as you're only repeating yourself over and over again.

 

[Waq]

Why wasn't he arrested before then? Why was he arrested only about 3 months ago? What took so long?

Did his conversion to Islam and/or speaking against deep state play a factor?

I have no idea whatsoever how long Romanian police have been investigating the Tate brothers and whether they did indeed delay arresting them. Why would you expect me to know this?

I have seen no official reports from Romanian authorities or Tate’s legal team saying that Andrew Tate being Muslim was a factor for him being arrested. Have you?

I have however seen openly available videos on YouTube of Tate giving his own university lectures teaching people how to pimp and sexually exploit women.

 

[Waq]

Correct, someone who believes someone is guilty until proven innocent is displaying a fascist mindset. This has nothing to do with discussing a case, but everything to do with being objective. You are not being objective here, but subjective. You fail to see the hypocrisy that shrouds this case.

You can laugh all you want - you have yet to explain why Tate was not convicted of crimes based on his self incriminating videos. Forget the 70 days he's been held in detention, you were refering to self incriminating videos he created years ago! And even by your own admission, Tate was investigated in the past, but no charges despite these so called videos.

It is clear the Romanian authorities have no evidence, maybe email them these self-incriminating videos because in a normal society a person that is arrested on suspicion is not held for more than 30 days, this includes suspected terrorists, but is swiftly either charged based on evidence gathered before the arrest, or released.

Wow, I am unable to respond to your logic and post.

 

[SalimBhai]

I have no idea whatsoever how long Romanian police have been investigating the Tate brothers and whether they did indeed delay arresting them. Why would you expect me to know this?

I have seen no official reports from Romanian authorities or Tate’s legal team saying that Andrew Tate being Muslim was a factor for him being arrested. Have you?

I have however seen openly available videos on YouTube of Tate giving his own university lectures teaching people how to pimp and sexually exploit women.

There is also a video of him saying he had sex with an underage girl. Very easy to find it if you google it.

 

[Technics 1210]

Arrest doesn't mean anything, convictions do.

There as no incriminating evidence any of the videos. I would stop now as you're only repeating yourself over and over again.

When the women accused of being trafficked by Tate say there were not, then its case closed.

Alas! Witness statements and testimonies that do not support the Liberal agenda will be ignored. Not to mention previous investigations on Tate at the same time these so called - self incriminating - videos appeared failed to convict let alone prove Tate of any crime.

What is perplexing is that if Tate was posting self-incriminating videos, why were his videos allowed on social media? Why was he invited on talk shows? Why was he the most search person on Google in 2022? Simply because he hadn't converted to Islam then.

As soon as Tate converts to Islam, its red alert on all Liberal fronts. Ban him! Cancel him! Stitch him up! Reminds me of what the CIA did to Malcom X - the CIA were not afraid Malcom X was black, MX was against liberal black movements, but the moment he converted to Islam, the powers to be were afraid, and we know the rest.

 

[Waq]

Arrest doesn't mean anything, convictions do.

There as no incriminating evidence any of the videos. I would stop now as you're only repeating yourself over and over again.

You asked why Tate was arrested. Do you not know why? Be honest

Of course arrests mean something. It’s one of the stages of an investigation. You can’t convict without arrest. Surely you must know this?

Ok so you believe there are no videos yet you ignore my video links and won’t use YouTube to find Tate’s university lectures either. Can I further assist you at all?

 

[Technics 1210]

Wow, I am unable to respond to your logic and post.

Doesn't surprise me since you have failed to address the simplistic of points I have raised. Logical points, repeatedly. Same old facist liberal traits. Never fails.

But thank you for clarifying one thing, you don't have the answer to the simplest and pertinent of questions thus proving you are a victim of psychological control by the media - aka - NLP.

Have a good night.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You asked why Tate was arrested. Do you not know why? Be honest

Of course arrests mean something. It’s one of the stages of an investigation. You can’t convict without arrest. Surely you must know this?

Ok so you believe there are no videos yet you ignore my video links and won’t use YouTube to find Tate’s university lectures either. Can I further assist you at all?

No please dont, you are confused and have a very poor understanding of the law and absolute no idea of Romanian law at all.

I know why he is in remand now, as I bought it to your attention two girls dismissed the claims against him. In any decent sane court, after such revelation he would be given bail at the minimum.

Nothing in those videos is proof of any crime.

 

[Waq]

When the women accused of being trafficked by Tate say there were not, then its case closed.

Alas! Witness statements and testimonies that do not support the Liberal agenda will be ignored. Not to mention previous investigations on Tate at the same time these so called - self incriminating - videos appeared failed to convict let alone prove Tate of any crime.

What is perplexing is that if Tate was posting self-incriminating videos, why were his videos allowed on social media? Why was he invited on talk shows? Why was he the most search person on Google in 2022? Simply because he hadn't converted to Islam then.

As soon as Tate converts to Islam, its red alert on all Liberal fronts. Ban him! Cancel him! Stitch him up! Reminds me of what the CIA did to Malcom X - the CIA were not afraid Malcom X was black, MX was against liberal black movements, but the moment he converted to Islam, the powers to be were afraid, and we know the rest.

Your top line about women victims telling prosecution that Tate is something I believe to be true. However I don’t agree this is case closed as there could be alternative explanations such as a domestic abuse victim who is too scared to give evidence against the suspect or another theory is that the Tate brothers are rich and paid the girls off to say this.

I believe Tate is guilty as he has made videos lecturing how to pimp women. Do you offer an alternative view on why Tate made these videos like I have done in the above paragraph?

I shall refrain to comment on you comparing Malcolm X to Andrew Tate and I’m sure many I’m not the only one.

 

[Waq]

No please dont, you are confused and have a very poor understanding of the law and absolute no idea of Romanian law at all.

I know why he is in remand now, as I bought it to your attention two girls dismissed the claims against him. In any decent sane court, after such revelation he would be given bail at the minimum.

Nothing in those videos is proof of any crime.

I can only apologise for not having in depth knowledge of Romania’s criminal justice system. What is your knowledge of it?

Please explain how I am confused?

You asked me why Tate was arrested and what crime. I assume that you now know?

Using descriptive language such as any decent court etc doesn’t change the fact that we don’t know all the evidence as it’s confidential but there is clearly enough for a prosecutor / judge tk detain Tate. We only know what has been released officially by both camps.

Ok so you don’t think Tate teaching how to pimp women and sexually exploit them and he admits doing this to multiple women at the same time is evidence of him committing said crimes?

 

[Technics 1210]

Your top line about women victims telling prosecution that Tate is something I believe to be true. However I don’t agree this is case closed as there could be alternative explanations such as a domestic abuse victim who is too scared to give evidence against the suspect or another theory is that the Tate brothers are rich and paid the girls off to say this.

I believe Tate is guilty as he has made videos lecturing how to pimp women. Do you offer an alternative view on why Tate made these videos like I have done in the above paragraph?

I shall refrain to comment on you comparing Malcolm X to Andrew Tate and I’m sure many I’m not the only one.

I think you are pulling my leg now.

I have provided my alternative view.

The videos are not self incriminating otherwise Tate would've been arrested, charged, tried, convicted, and serving a sentence right now.

Now you are suggesting the Tate brothers paid of the women who reject the allegations. As I said, spoken like a true fascist - guilty until proven innocent.

Instead Tate was investigated in the past, with no result, despite these so called videos.

You have not responded to my points, so now stop wasting my time and stop tagging me.

Not interested in your subjective, facist, and prejudice views anymore, because unlike you who wished me well, and to have a good day, and decided to disengage in any debate with me earlier in the day - I beleive every word I say.

Good bye.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I can only apologise for not having in depth knowledge of Romania’s criminal justice system. What is your knowledge of it?

Please explain how I am confused?

You asked me why Tate was arrested and what crime. I assume that you now know?

Using descriptive language such as any decent court etc doesn’t change the fact that we don’t know all the evidence as it’s confidential but there is clearly enough for a prosecutor / judge tk detain Tate. We only know what has been released officially by both camps.

Ok so you don’t think Tate teaching how to pimp women and sexually exploit them and he admits doing this to multiple women at the same time is evidence of him committing said crimes?

You're confused because you ignore the key term of CONSENT. Anyone can try to bring in people for making money but when the money making starts it has to be consensual. A pimp is someone who doesn't give a choice to women, no consent. There is no sexual exploitation if there is consent.

 

[Waq]

You're confused because you ignore the key term of CONSENT. Anyone can try to bring in people for making money but when the money making starts it has to be consensual. A pimp is someone who doesn't give a choice to women, no consent. There is no sexual exploitation if there is consent.

You clearly do not understand the lover boy sexual exploitation crime and it’s apparent you’ve made no efforts to do so either.

For all defenders of Andrew Tate:

This is one of many self incriminating videos where Andrew Tate admits he tricks women and sexually exploits them and pimps them. Youngsters beware as video link contains swearing and bad language.

https://youtu.be/88efSgxTPgk

Here are news links that details the crimes that Tate was arrested for including lover boy sexual exploitation and rape.

https://www.semafor.com/article/12/...-in-romania-for-human-trafficking-allegations

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64128616.amp

Here are some links around the global problem of lover boy crime and some understanding legally:

https://www.government.nl/topics/human-trafficking/romeo-pimps-loverboys

https://www.carlsonattorneys.com/news-and-update/loverboy-andrew-tate

Now the last link is perhaps helpful for those who find sexual exploitation crime challenging.

Hopefully you may agree that the first link of the self incriminating video appears to make him guilty of the lover boy crime in the other links.

Yep, he’s definitely a Malcolm X character our Andrew Tate (yes I’m being sarcastic).

 

[Technics 1210]

Can you believe!? Liberals will not demand a full expose and investigation of the names in Epsteins’s black book, but have the sand to see Tate in prison devoid of any evidence!

Epstein’s black book targeted the sexual exploitation of children, whereas as the women involved with Tate have testified there was consent.

What a world these facist liberals have created, protecting a man who exploited children, but targeting a man who consented with adult women.

Psychological control in a nutshell.

 

[Waq]

Can you believe!? Liberals will not demand a full expose and investigation of the names in Epsteins’s black book, but have the sand to see Tate in prison devoid of any evidence!

Epstein’s black book targeted the sexual exploitation of children, whereas as the women involved with Tate have testified there was consent.

What a world these facist liberals have created, protecting a man who exploited children, but targeting a man who consented with adult women.

Psychological control in a nutshell.

Who is defending Epstein for what he did whilst he was alive or who do you know who believes the black book should never be made public?

Where is the Epstein thread?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There is also a video of him saying he had sex with an underage girl. Very easy to find it if you google it.

Did he do it knowingly? I'm asking because in the UK girls and boys often have sex underage, their brains don't necessarily fall in line with varying age laws across the world.

 

[SalimBhai]

Did he do it knowingly? I'm asking because in the UK girls and boys often have sex underage, their brains don't necessarily fall in line with varying age laws across the world.

Yes.

 

[saeedhk]

Can you believe!? Liberals will not demand a full expose and investigation of the names in Epsteins’s black book, but have the sand to see Tate in prison devoid of any evidence!

Epstein’s black book targeted the sexual exploitation of children, whereas as the women involved with Tate have testified there was consent.

What a world these facist liberals have created, protecting a man who exploited children, but targeting a man who consented with adult women.

Psychological control in a nutshell.

Who is defending Epstein here? The thread is about Tate. The deflections here are cringy!

 

[saeedhk]

Have a great day and I wish you well.

Honestly I’m speechless. Tate has had similar sexual exploitation allegations against him much before he converted to Islam and he was huge and famous by summer 2022 and only converted to Islam at end of 2022.

You talk about the term canceled. I’m familiar with the term but it’s not a legal term and one that is basically a sensationalised word. It can be used for many scenarios but let’s not hide behind that without facts.

You ignore that Tate admits these crimes on videos and yes he therefore does self incriminate himself. You ask why he has not been charged by police and my response is I don’t know as the investigation is confidential and we only know what is leaked or briefed to the press. A possible theory could be that witnesses are hard to identify or reluctant to give evidence but there are also many other possibilities too.

You believe this is war on Islam from the west and Tate is being cancelled (whatever that means) by an entity (God knows which organisation).

I believe that western governments disliked Tate much before his Islam conversion and I recall my children’s school threatening to give punishment to all students who pay homage to him. But again facts are he is accused of sexual exploitation and he admits it - you won’t go there and sadly it means you are unable to argue objectively.

I have so far spoken about facts and evidence and I’ll now give my opinion and I’m happy to be proved wrong as it’s my opinion only based on instinct.

Tate was aware of Romanian police closing down on his criminal past and accusing him of false imprisonment and sexual exploitation in April 2022 and a few months later he moves to Dubai and then converts to Islam. I believe he did this conversion to muster the support of the Islamic world and Dubai government. Tate is now wanted by Romanian police yet somehow he goes to Romania in December 2022 and gets arrested. Whole thing makes no sense and there is no evidence of casinos and lucrative mma promotional companies as he claims. He is a fraud and narcissist yet because he’s now Muslim we must all support him - I think not. He was always desperate for fame, whether it be big brother, cringe rap videos in his Bentley, Tik Tok and now Piers Morgan.

Let’s see if you genuinely withdraw any support for him if he gets charged and convicted or you call it a conspiracy against Islam?

Brilliant post. Even if Tate is convicted, his supporters would say the trial was unfair. Although now, they are saying he has not been convicted, even he is, his supporters would come up with some kind of excuse to absolve him of his despicable crimes.

 

[Waq]

Brilliant post. Even if Tate is convicted, his supporters would say the trial was unfair. Although now, they are saying he has not been convicted, even he is, his supporters would come up with some kind of excuse to absolve him of his despicable crimes.

Thank you for your comment.

The truth is that nobody including me knows the strength of the case against Tate and if he is going to be charged and go to trial.

I’m just surprised that his defenders refuse to comment on why he made a university syllabus video admitting that he pimps women and encourages others to do the same for a £50 month course?

Even more alarmingly, some of his defenders on here are asking me what crimes Tate has been arrested for and suggesting that sexual exploitation and pimping is not even as crime. If you don’t know the crimes he’s accused of or can’t be bothered to check press releases then why are you vehemently defending Tate?

 

[Major]

Thank you for your comment.

The truth is that nobody including me knows the strength of the case against Tate and if he is going to be charged and go to trial.

I’m just surprised that his defenders refuse to comment on why he made a university syllabus video admitting that he pimps women and encourages others to do the same for a £50 month course?

Even more alarmingly, some of his defenders on here are asking me what crimes Tate has been arrested for and suggesting that sexual exploitation and pimping is not even as crime. If you don’t know the crimes he’s accused of or can’t be bothered to check press releases then why are you vehemently defending Tate?

when i was small, i used to have issues believing that when anti christ comes and he makes people his followers, why would people start accepting him as their leader when his actions would be wrong clearly.

But seeing how some British Muslims take a person who admits to pimping, as their muslim leader, now i understand how anti christ will also get its followers

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

when i was small, i used to have issues believing that when anti christ comes and he makes people his followers, why would people start accepting him as their leader when his actions would be wrong clearly.

But seeing how some British Muslims take a person who admits to pimping, as their muslim leader, now i understand how anti christ will also get its followers

Want to discuss British Muslims? Bump a thread or start a new one. Or shall I do it for you?

 

[Technics 1210]

Who is defending Epstein here? The thread is about Tate. The deflections here are cringy!

Say the king of irrelevance. What have your inane ramblings in this thread on Pakistan and Islam, got to do with this thread?

As always Liberals are champions of duplicity and hypocrisy.

 

[Waq]

You clearly do not understand the lover boy sexual exploitation crime and it’s apparent you’ve made no efforts to do so either.

For all defenders of Andrew Tate:

This is one of many self incriminating videos where Andrew Tate admits he tricks women and sexually exploits them and pimps them. Youngsters beware as video link contains swearing and bad language.

https://youtu.be/88efSgxTPgk

Here are news links that details the crimes that Tate was arrested for including lover boy sexual exploitation and rape.

https://www.semafor.com/article/12/...-in-romania-for-human-trafficking-allegations

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64128616.amp

Here are some links around the global problem of lover boy crime and some understanding legally:

https://www.government.nl/topics/human-trafficking/romeo-pimps-loverboys

https://www.carlsonattorneys.com/news-and-update/loverboy-andrew-tate

Now the last link is perhaps helpful for those who find sexual exploitation crime challenging.

Hopefully you may agree that the first link of the self incriminating video appears to make him guilty of the lover boy crime in the other links.

Yep, he’s definitely a Malcolm X character our Andrew Tate (yes I’m being sarcastic).

[MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION] - fantastic, I’m pleased you’re back and active on this thread.

Would you be so kind as to comment on the self incriminating Andrew Tate video link I’ve posted on him encouraging to be pimp and now he pimps his girlfriends? I assume you are aghast by what Andrew Tate and find his views in this video abhorrent?

I’ve asked you previously for your view on the video and you answered a question with a question by asking me why Tate was never charged due to the video content? Putting your latter question to one side, do you believe this is an authentic non doctored video?

Have you also seen my other links I have quoted detailing ‘lover boy’ sexual exploitation crimes?

Assuming you now believe that such a sexual exploitation crime exists and understand what offences Tate was arrested for, do you feel that Tate’s self incriminating video covers much of the points to prove to get a guilty conviction for a ‘lover boy’ crime?

The official press release immediately after arrest said that the police had identified six victims. Since 30th December 2022, two victims have now allegedly said that they were never trafficked or abused and psychiatrists on behalf of the government have deemed their statements unacceptable due to their mental state. Now the victims maybe telling the truth or they may well be unwell or another possibility is that the two victims who changed their mind were paid off / threatened - which is actually the exact grounds why the Judge has extended the Tate’s detention on remand. Nevertheless, I’ll accept Tate fan’s version that the victims are telling the truth but that still leaves a minimum of four victims whilst the investigation is ongoing.

[MENTION=4738]King Khan[/MENTION] WC - please also feel free to chip in and do me the courtesy of answering my post as I’ve answered much of your queries too.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You clearly do not understand the lover boy sexual exploitation crime and it’s apparent you’ve made no efforts to do so either.

For all defenders of Andrew Tate:

This is one of many self incriminating videos where Andrew Tate admits he tricks women and sexually exploits them and pimps them. Youngsters beware as video link contains swearing and bad language.

https://youtu.be/88efSgxTPgk

Here are news links that details the crimes that Tate was arrested for including lover boy sexual exploitation and rape.

https://www.semafor.com/article/12/...-in-romania-for-human-trafficking-allegations

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64128616.amp

Here are some links around the global problem of lover boy crime and some understanding legally:

https://www.government.nl/topics/human-trafficking/romeo-pimps-loverboys

https://www.carlsonattorneys.com/news-and-update/loverboy-andrew-tate

Now the last link is perhaps helpful for those who find sexual exploitation crime challenging.

Hopefully you may agree that the first link of the self incriminating video appears to make him guilty of the lover boy crime in the other links.

Yep, he’s definitely a Malcolm X character our Andrew Tate (yes I’m being sarcastic).

Loverboy link , is from Government of Netherlands. Its a method they claim leads to crime, not a crime in the penal code. But great good hard googling mate )

You really are poor at understanding law and criminality. Do you realise Youtube videos if illegal or suggesting any form of crime would be firstly taken down Youtube. Secondly Romania HAS Youtube, if this video or any other video/audio incriminated a person they would be charged by now.

Remember the these legal terms they will help you. Consent and Intent. Tate or anyone can employ any methods to convince someone they should talk as long as their is consent and no intent to imprison or break any other law.

Yes, If you listen to Malcolm X he also discusses how the powers that be will control those who speak out against the mainstream views.

 

[Technics 1210]

Lots of noise from fascist liberals, I love the part there they state that the pertinent questions they face must be put to one side (typical), and then claim the women who defended Tate were paid off! Liberal fascism in a nutshell.

Lover boy Tate was on UK channels, promoting his views in Dec 2022, in particular Islamic views, those pesky self incriminating videos where no where to be found, and even if they were, they'd be considered illegal in the UK, but they were not illegal. There was no self incrimination, just liberal imagination.

Tate is an innocent man until proven guilty.

 

[Technics 1210]

Loverboy link , is from Government of Netherlands. Its a method they claim leads to crime, not a crime in the penal code. But great good hard googling mate )

Game over.

The desperation of Liberals who worry about someone in detention because he is a Muslims, but accept a far more damaging liberal ideology that promotes gender change upon our Sisters, Mothers, and Daughters, is a sight to behold and sums up our society.

Moreover, Liberals lack an identify and are simply full of hate.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Lots of noise from fascist liberals, I love the part there they state that the pertinent questions they face must be put to one side (typical), and then claim the women who defended Tate were paid off! Liberal fascism in a nutshell.

Lover boy Tate was on UK channels, promoting his views in Dec 2022, in particular Islamic views, those pesky self incriminating videos where no where to be found, and even if they were, they'd be considered illegal in the UK, but they were not illegal. There was no self incrimination, just liberal imagination.

Tate is an innocent man until proven guilty.

Its like reading the Daily Mail when they employ a celebrity chef to write an article on geopolitics.

The Two women openly claimed the allegations are false but they are ignored by the hardcore liberals. All women had freedom of movement, mobile phones, money, shopping trips etc but again ignored.

If they dont convict Tate, he will tear them apart when he returns and will gain more influence than before. So far seems they are shooting themselves in the both feet. The only ones who will gain is the Romanian corrupt authorities who will sell his supercars, other assets siezed.

 

[Technics 1210]

Its like reading the Daily Mail when they employ a celebrity chef to write an article on geopolitics.

The Two women openly claimed the allegations are false but they are ignored by the hardcore liberals. All women had freedom of movement, mobile phones, money, shopping trips etc but again ignored.

If they dont convict Tate, he will tear them apart when he returns and will gain more influence than before. So far seems they are shooting themselves in the both feet. The only ones who will gain is the Romanian corrupt authorities who will sell his supercars, other assets siezed.

Liberals are not accepting the facts, we already know this. They are having sleepless nights. My concern is that we have Liberals doctors and psychiatrists who are trusted to be objective but make right-wing Nazism look like a love story!

Whether Tate is found guilty or not, it is now a win/win situation.

If Tate is found guilty, more Tate will rise, embracing Islam.

If Tate is freed, he will rip the establishment a new one, and more Tates will rise embracing Islam.

Liberals lose again one way or another.

 

[Waq]

Loverboy link , is from Government of Netherlands. Its a method they claim leads to crime, not a crime in the penal code. But great good hard googling mate )

You really are poor at understanding law and criminality. Do you realise Youtube videos if illegal or suggesting any form of crime would be firstly taken down Youtube. Secondly Romania HAS Youtube, if this video or any other video/audio incriminated a person they would be charged by now.

Remember the these legal terms they will help you. Consent and Intent. Tate or anyone can employ any methods to convince someone they should talk as long as their is consent and no intent to imprison or break any other law.

Yes, If you listen to Malcolm X he also discusses how the powers that be will control those who speak out against the mainstream views.

Lots of noise from fascist liberals, I love the part there they state that the pertinent questions they face must be put to one side (typical), and then claim the women who defended Tate were paid off! Liberal fascism in a nutshell.

Lover boy Tate was on UK channels, promoting his views in Dec 2022, in particular Islamic views, those pesky self incriminating videos where no where to be found, and even if they were, they'd be considered illegal in the UK, but they were not illegal. There was no self incrimination, just liberal imagination.

Tate is an innocent man until proven guilty.

May I ask if both of you refuse to condemn the Andrew Tate Pimping university syllabus video , it is because you approve of sexually exploiting and pimping women? I don't mean to offend you two but I can't see any reason why you would refuse to convey your thoughts on Tate's video and condemn it unless you approve of pimping? You are unable to comment or share your thoughts on the non doctored video but are able to bring Epstein into it.

Now [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] - the Netherlands link was provided for you and others to understand 'Lover Boy' crime which is a form of sex trafficking, which is a crime and I shall prove to you in baby 123 ABC steps.

https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-trafficking-in-persons-report/romania/

This link details how in 2021, legislation was changed in Romania, specifically articles 210 and 211 of the criminal code, where sex trafficking can be punishable from 5 to 10 years.

Now [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] - you may say that the 'lover boy' crime still doesn't exist despite all the government and legal website links that I have shared so clearly you find this area challenging. Therefore please see the official press release dated 29th December 2022 from DIICOT, which is the Directorate for Investigating Organised Crime and Terrorism, the Romanian agency investigating the Tate Brothers.

https://www-diicot-ro.translate.goo...uto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

The link clearly details along with previous link from regulated law firms that the Tate brothers and two other suspects were arrested for sex trafficking using the lover boy method and are also arrested for the crime of rape.

Are you and [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION] still going to deny that such laws exists and that the self incriminating video is irrelevant?

 

[Waq]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64789944

Andrew Tate will not try to evade the Romanian legal system by fleeing abroad, his lawyer has said.
The lawyer was speaking before Mr Tate appealed against his pre-charge detention in Romania - an appeal Mr Tate lost.
Mr Tate planned to travel to Dubai if released, but only for medical examinations, his lawyer told the BBC.
Reports in Romania, apparently based on Mr Tate's phone-tapped conversations, claimed he was a flight risk.
Mr Tate and his brother Tristan were arrested in Romania in December.
They are accused of human trafficking, rape and forming an organised crime group, and are being held in pre-charge detention. Both men have denied any wrongdoing.
The Tate brothers arrived at court in Bucharest on Monday to appeal against their latest detention order.
The reports in Romania, which outline phone calls allegedly made by the brothers from custody, are thought to have been part of the case made by prosecutors for extending their detention.
Their detention had previously been upheld until 27 February, and has now been extended for another 30 days. The court upheld that decision on Monday.
One of the Tates' lawyers, Eugen Vidineac, told the BBC that, while the brothers' phone calls in custody were being tapped, nothing they had discussed was illegal.
"There is no flight risk," he said.
"It was a discussion between Andrew and his secretary, saying that - if he was freed by the judges under these conditions - he will go to Dubai [for medical examinations]", he added.
It was not an attempt to escape Romanian justice, he said.
In 2016, Mr Tate, a former kickboxer, was removed from British TV show Big Brother over a video which appeared to show him attacking a woman.
He went on to gain notoriety online, with Twitter banning him for saying women should "bear responsibility" for being sexually assaulted. He has since been reinstated.
Despite social media bans he gained popularity, particularly among young men, by promoting what he presented as a hyper-masculine, ultra-luxurious lifestyle.

For those who are criticising Romania government and saying it is corrupt and the Matrix is doing this, then this article from today provides us some insight.

Tate again had had his bail refused today and it appears that the investigators have had phone surveillance to Tate's telephone calls whilst he has been in custody. I presume this was not authorised when speaking to his solicitor due to legal privilege but Tate was heard telling his secretary that if he gets bail then he will go Dubai. Of course in this case the investigators will oppose bail and the Judge will agree.

See it is always the simple explanations in the end on why he is still on remand!

 

[SalimBhai]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64789944



For those who are criticising Romania government and saying it is corrupt and the Matrix is doing this, then this article from today provides us some insight.

Tate again had had his bail refused today and it appears that the investigators have had phone surveillance to Tate's telephone calls whilst he has been in custody. I presume this was not authorised when speaking to his solicitor due to legal privilege but Tate was heard telling his secretary that if he gets bail then he will go Dubai. Of course in this case the investigators will oppose bail and the Judge will agree.

See it is always the simple explanations in the end on why he is still on remand!

Bigger question is why did he choose Romania as his centre to conduct business. Why pick a corrupt country../

 

[Waq]

Bigger question is why did he choose Romania as his centre to conduct business. Why pick a corrupt country../

I am sure that Tate said in videos himself that he chose Romania because:

- Police are more lenient with crimes against women

- Tate claims he has no casinos in Romania but investigators have found no evidence of this

- Tate claims he owns a stake in a MMA promotion business in Romania but again investigators have found no evidence of this

- I have also seen a video of the Tate brothers saying that the girls are more attractive in Eastern Europe and that Bucharest is more of a beautiful city and cleaner too then London

 

[KingKhanWC]

May I ask if both of you refuse to condemn the Andrew Tate Pimping university syllabus video , it is because you approve of sexually exploiting and pimping women? I don't mean to offend you two but I can't see any reason why you would refuse to convey your thoughts on Tate's video and condemn it unless you approve of pimping? You are unable to comment or share your thoughts on the non doctored video but are able to bring Epstein into it.

Now [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] - the Netherlands link was provided for you and others to understand 'Lover Boy' crime which is a form of sex trafficking, which is a crime and I shall prove to you in baby 123 ABC steps.

https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-trafficking-in-persons-report/romania/

This link details how in 2021, legislation was changed in Romania, specifically articles 210 and 211 of the criminal code, where sex trafficking can be punishable from 5 to 10 years.

Now [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] - you may say that the 'lover boy' crime still doesn't exist despite all the government and legal website links that I have shared so clearly you find this area challenging. Therefore please see the official press release dated 29th December 2022 from DIICOT, which is the Directorate for Investigating Organised Crime and Terrorism, the Romanian agency investigating the Tate Brothers.

https://www-diicot-ro.translate.goo...uto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

The link clearly details along with previous link from regulated law firms that the Tate brothers and two other suspects were arrested for sex trafficking using the lover boy method and are also arrested for the crime of rape.

Are you and [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION] still going to deny that such laws exists and that the self incriminating video is irrelevant?

Im not here to like, love , hate or judge Tate or support him because he's Muslim. Im only interested in his ongoing case and why he is being held without charge for so long and if this is due to his views on social media.

The loverboy is a method which they believe leads to a crime, its not a crime itself to be loveryboy.

Bottom line if there was evidence he would be charged .

If you want to take Romania a corrupt nation as some sort of great law society, you're already behind in any argument.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am sure that Tate said in videos himself that he chose Romania because:

- Police are more lenient with crimes against women

- Tate claims he has no casinos in Romania but investigators have found no evidence of this

- Tate claims he owns a stake in a MMA promotion business in Romania but again investigators have found no evidence of this

- I have also seen a video of the Tate brothers saying that the girls are more attractive in Eastern Europe and that Bucharest is more of a beautiful city and cleaner too then London

Less pay for employees = more profit. Why do you think your Marks and Spencers trousers are made in Bangladesh or Thailand.

Picking at straws now.

 

[SalimBhai]

Less pay for employees = more profit. Why do you think your Marks and Spencers trousers are made in Bangladesh or Thailand.

Picking at straws now.

Yes cheaply labor and corrupt police also. Flex laws also .

 

[Waq]

Im not here to like, love , hate or judge Tate or support him because he's Muslim. Im only interested in his ongoing case and why he is being held without charge for so long and if this is due to his views on social media.

The loverboy is a method which they believe leads to a crime, its not a crime itself to be loveryboy.

Bottom line if there was evidence he would be charged .

If you want to take Romania a corrupt nation as some sort of great law society, you're already behind in any argument.

So I’ll take your refusal to comment on the content of the Tate pimping video as one of support?

 

[Waq]

Less pay for employees = more profit. Why do you think your Marks and Spencers trousers are made in Bangladesh or Thailand.

Picking at straws now.

You have give a sensible suggestion on why somebody would conduct business in Romania. I have however given Tate’s own reasons for moving. I prefer specifics when speaking about a specific matter.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

I do not care about Tate and I don't listen to him or watch his videos.

But, I have this one question. Why are they going after him now? Why not before converting to Islam? These information were known for a very long time. They could've arrested/prosecuted him much earlier; why did they wait so long?

They were already on him and he would have been put in jail for his crimes regardless of religion.

He converted to Islam for publicity and to gain support among shmucks who now defend him on the internet

 

[sweep_shot]

They were already on him and he would have been put in jail for his crimes regardless of religion.

He converted to Islam for publicity and to gain support among shmucks who now defend him on the internet

My theory is he got sucked into a cabal (there is a global human trafficking ring; Epstein was in it too). He left the cabal; so, they are coming after him now.

I think something like that happened.

Either way, I don't care. I just hope that they will not frame him or anyone else with fake charges (like they did to Assange).

 

[KingKhanWC]

So I’ll take your refusal to comment on the content of the Tate pimping video as one of support?

We are approaching this from different mentalities. For me it doesnt matter what someone says unless they break the law and are then convicted in a fair trial. So far this is yet to occur.

In the end there is a high chance of Tate being convicted , its Romania after all. Then you can say you were correct.

 

[Waq]

We are approaching this from different mentalities. For me it doesnt matter what someone says unless they break the law and are then convicted in a fair trial. So far this is yet to occur.

In the end there is a high chance of Tate being convicted , its Romania after all. Then you can say you were correct.

So you don’t care about the evidence or the case - so what do you care about when it comes to the Tate arrest? May I again say that you don’t care about Tate saying he pimps girls and we should all do the same because you support him? What else could your reason by or is it my dear brother that you don’t like to admit you’re wrong.

I think it’s clear to see that you have made claim after claim and have been debunked every time and just shifting goal posts. From not knowing the crime Tate was arrested for to not understanding why Tate was not given bail and blaming the matrix and deflecting by using Epstein to now having a stock position that Romania is corrupt so any conviction will be incorrect.

You even got very personal with me and mentioned my previous careers and said I know nothing about law - clearly I don’t right?

 

[Waq]

My theory is he got sucked into a cabal (there is a global human trafficking ring; Epstein was in it too). He left the cabal; so, they are coming after him now.

I think something like that happened.

Either way, I don't care. I just hope that they will not frame him or anyone else with fake charges (like they did to Assange).

I’d say a cabal global sex ring linked or similar to Epstein is unlikely as Tate has no real political / royal or even celebrity links.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So you don’t care about the evidence or the case - so what do you care about when it comes to the Tate arrest? May I again say that you don’t care about Tate saying he pimps girls and we should all do the same because you support him? What else could your reason by or is it my dear brother that you don’t like to admit you’re wrong.

I think it’s clear to see that you have made claim after claim and have been debunked every time and just shifting goal posts. From not knowing the crime Tate was arrested for to not understanding why Tate was not given bail and blaming the matrix and deflecting by using Epstein to now having a stock position that Romania is corrupt so any conviction will be incorrect.

You even got very personal with me and mentioned my previous careers and said I know nothing about law - clearly I don’t right?

I support his right as a human, his right to be innocent until found otherwise.

Its strange you dont know how the law works when you yourself are mentioning your previous career. Nothing to be ashamed of is there? Please comment on the threads regarding the MET and their alleged rapists, far more important than Tate.

You have not debunked anything lol. You think a Youtube video is evidence/proof of a crime when Youtube itself wont take it down for breaking its internet rules.

I know the allegatations and of course also know why he's not given bail. It was me who told you the two women who came out are thought to be mental so judge refused to take them into consideration lol.

Its a kangaroo court, lets hope justice prevails either way but I have a feeling if he is released you'll be very very upset.

 

[Technics 1210]

I support his right as a human, his right to be innocent until found otherwise.

Its strange you dont know how the law works when you yourself are mentioning your previous career. Nothing to be ashamed of is there? Please comment on the threads regarding the MET and their alleged rapists, far more important than Tate.

You have not debunked anything lol. You think a Youtube video is evidence/proof of a crime when Youtube itself wont take it down for breaking its internet rules.

I know the allegatations and of course also know why he's not given bail. It was me who told you the two women who came out are thought to be mental so judge refused to take them into consideration lol.

Its a kangaroo court, lets hope justice prevails either way but I have a feeling if he is released you'll be very very upset.

It's amazing isn't it.

The first point of call for evidence these days is social media, and as you say, if the videos he made are self incriminating, they'd have been removed by now, simply for breaking the law and the terms of YouTube, and at minimum Tate would be charged by now.

What the woke left fail to realise is that words can be legal in one country but not another, sovereignty, but one thing is clear, the case against Tate is not based on some phantom self incriminating videos which is why the Romanian authorities know they cannot charge him based on YouTube videos but need something a little more concrete - which they cannot find. Those tapped voice recordings, Whatsapp messages, emails etc have yielded nothing thus far.

If there is any example of self incrimination, then its Epstein's black book, which was not even exposed in court yet liberals feel the names in the book should be protected, but no, a YouTube video has allegedly broken rules and allegedly incriminated Tate and as a result the video remains online and Romanians are still trying to build a case against Tate.

Liberals do not care about basic human rights such as innocent until proven guilty - in their facist eyes, anyone who disagrees is guilty until proven innocent.

Who needs the Gestapo when we have liberalism.

 

[Waq]

Oh dear.

Debate with factual links of law, self incriminating videos, official press releases, possible scenarios of why investigation are still on going and you’ll get a predictable response of ‘you’re all liberal fascists and what about Epstein’. Lol

 

[KingKhanWC]

Oh dear.

Debate with factual links of law, self incriminating videos, official press releases, possible scenarios of why investigation are still on going and you’ll get a predictable response of ‘you’re all liberal fascists and what about Epstein’. Lol

The videos dont even break Youtube community standard rules. )

Let me ask you a simple question.

If someone says something illegal in your eyes on Youtube while on an island in the pacific, which nations law is he/her breaking?

 

[Technics 1210]

The videos dont even break Youtube community standard rules. )

Let me ask you a simple question.

If someone says something illegal in your eyes on Youtube while on an island in the pacific, which nations law is he/her breaking?

You will not get an answer.

Liberals make up the rules as they go along.

No law has been broken.

There is a reason why Tate is in the 3rd phase of his detention, the liberals are desperate to find an iota of incriminating evidence and need more time. Though I think some users could do the Romainian authorities a favour by sending them the YouTube links! )

 

[Waq]

So in summary:

- Andrew Tate and his brother and two other suspects have been arrested on 28th December 2022 for using lover boy method of human trafficking and rape. Six victims have at that point been identified by police.

- There are various videos on YouTube where Andrew Tate admits using lover boy method of human trafficking to pimp girlfriends to do webcam work. This is real evidence and is on YouTube despite some posters believing it can’t be on YouTube as they apparently don’t allow you to post crime yet the platform is full of videos containing crime around the world. Yet it’s still there and they won’t comment about the content and what was said.

- Up to this point, Tate and other 3 have not been charged with any crime yet remain on remand in prison whilst the police investigation is ongoing. Romania law allows you to extend remand time for up to 180 days.

- Bail is denied as Andrew Tate has surveillance on him whilst on remand custody and overheard on the telephone telling his secretary that if he gets bail, he will go to Dubai. Investigators also believe that the suspects are financially powerful and have the means to influence victims.

- Two of the victims claim that the suspects are innocent and that they were not trafficked. Prosecution have questioned the mental capacity / mental state of these victims. At least four potential victims still remain in this case.

- Human trafficking and rape cases are complex enough and this is likely to have other international agencies involved. A few weeks ago the prosecutors invited the Tate brothers to their office to ask if they will unlock their laptops and phones as they have military level encryption and this was refused by suspects and this could also take weeks to unlock as a result.

- The prosecution appear to have seized many Tate assets including their vehicle collection. Their justification is that the investigation is costly and human trafficking is organised crime and these assets are proceeds that should pay for the case.

- Most importantly, the prosecution is under no obligation to publicly announce what evidence they have against the suspects and what lines of enquires that they are following. It would be unwise to reveal their strategy on how they are looking to secure evidence.

- The prosecuting agency is Romanian and they haven’t broken any Romanian law by keeping the Tate brothers on remand without charge for two months. Their detention is lawful as per the laws of that country.

- I can’t think of any other factual matters pertaining to this case other then noise about matrix, liberal fascists and what about Epstein!

 

[KingKhanWC]

So in summary:

- Andrew Tate and his brother and two other suspects have been arrested on 28th December 2022 for using lover boy method of human trafficking and rape. Six victims have at that point been identified by police.

- There are various videos on YouTube where Andrew Tate admits using lover boy method of human trafficking to pimp girlfriends to do webcam work. This is real evidence and is on YouTube despite some posters believing it can’t be on YouTube as they apparently don’t allow you to post crime yet the platform is full of videos containing crime around the world. Yet it’s still there and they won’t comment about the content and what was said.

- Up to this point, Tate and other 3 have not been charged with any crime yet remain on remand in prison whilst the police investigation is ongoing. Romania law allows you to extend remand time for up to 180 days.

- Bail is denied as Andrew Tate has surveillance on him whilst on remand custody and overheard on the telephone telling his secretary that if he gets bail, he will go to Dubai. Investigators also believe that the suspects are financially powerful and have the means to influence victims.

- Two of the victims claim that the suspects are innocent and that they were not trafficked. Prosecution have questioned the mental capacity / mental state of these victims. At least four potential victims still remain in this case.

- Human trafficking and rape cases are complex enough and this is likely to have other international agencies involved. A few weeks ago the prosecutors invited the Tate brothers to their office to ask if they will unlock their laptops and phones as they have military level encryption and this was refused by suspects and this could also take weeks to unlock as a result.

- The prosecution appear to have seized many Tate assets including their vehicle collection. Their justification is that the investigation is costly and human trafficking is organised crime and these assets are proceeds that should pay for the case.

- Most importantly, the prosecution is under no obligation to publicly announce what evidence they have against the suspects and what lines of enquires that they are following. It would be unwise to reveal their strategy on how they are looking to secure evidence.

- The prosecuting agency is Romanian and they haven’t broken any Romanian law by keeping the Tate brothers on remand without charge for two months. Their detention is lawful as per the laws of that country.

- I can’t think of any other factual matters pertaining to this case other then noise about matrix, liberal fascists and what about Epstein!

The prosecution is obliged to show evidence to the Tate's lawyer, she has received none. There are other mistakes in this too but its like beating a dead horse with you. You ignore points and just rewind selector.

 

[Waq]

The prosecution is obliged to show evidence to the Tate's lawyer, she has received none. There are other mistakes in this too but it’s like beating a dead horse with you. You ignore points and just rewind selector.

Please explain why you believe the prosecution is obliged to show evidence to Tate’s lawyers? Does your belief apply to whilst the investigation is on going and lines of enquires being followed or only if Tate is charged and only then is his lawyers given full disclosure? So if for example the prosecutors have flown to the UK to take witness statements, must this be shared immediately with lawyers? I know the answer and believe you to be incorrect again.

What other mistakes are there? Do tell.

Please also let me know what I’ve ignored regarding this case and I’ll happily continue to engage. But please no Epstein, R Kelly and Met police questions please max

 

[KingKhanWC]

Please explain why you believe the prosecution is obliged to show evidence to Tate’s lawyers? Does your belief apply to whilst the investigation is on going and lines of enquires being followed or only if Tate is charged and only then is his lawyers given full disclosure? So if for example the prosecutors have flown to the UK to take witness statements, must this be shared immediately with lawyers? I know the answer and believe you to be incorrect again.

What other mistakes are there? Do tell.

Please also let me know what I’ve ignored regarding this case and I’ll happily continue to engage. But please no Epstein, R Kelly and Met police questions please max

Its known as disclosure, educate yourself on this legal term instead of making up fantasy scenarios.

Of course you are mute about the MET, wonder why.

 

[Technics 1210]

The prosecution is obliged to show evidence to the Tate's lawyer, she has received none. There are other mistakes in this too but its like beating a dead horse with you. You ignore points and just rewind selector.

Forget the prosecution sharing evidence, this is obvious because the evidence must be shared between the prosecution and defence lawyers, even before a charge, and before/during a trial, but besides this, all the authorities have to do is charge Tate with a crime thus sparing the prosecution from sharing the evidence in public anyway!

70 days on, still no charge! Why? NO EVIDENCE!

YouTube must be down in Romania.

 

[Waq]

Its known as disclosure, educate yourself on this legal term instead of making up fantasy scenarios.

Of course you are mute about the MET, wonder why.

Oh dear again - you’ve again missed the point about disclosure and it’s timing. Re-read what has been written, it may help.

You’ve again made wild claims about other inaccuracies in my summary - what are they exactly?

What has London Metropolitan Police got to do with this Andrew Tate case? And why don’t you tell me why you think I’m mute about the Met police?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Oh dear again - you’ve again missed the point about disclosure and it’s timing. Re-read what has been written, it may help.

You’ve again made wild claims about other inaccuracies in my summary - what are they exactly?

What has London Metropolitan Police got to do with this Andrew Tate case? And why don’t you tell me why you think I’m mute about the Met police?

What timing? The police also must disclose any evidence they have as soon as they have it.

From google. "Do the police have to disclose evidence?
This sharing of information is called disclosure; material is 'disclosed' to the defence. Disclosure happens in all criminal cases and the police – who investigate crimes and gather evidence – have an obligation to disclose any material they have that they think is 'relevant' to the case."

What the disgusting MET officers are accused of esp as its systematic is far far worse but you're not interested. I would love to find out why you're mute, please to tell.

 

[Waq]

Forget the prosecution sharing evidence, this is obvious because the evidence must be shared between the prosecution and defence lawyers, even before a charge, and before/during a trial, but besides this, all the authorities have to do is charge Tate with a crime thus sparing the prosecution from sharing the evidence in public anyway!

70 days on, still no charge! Why? NO EVIDENCE!

YouTube must be down in Romania.

Why do the pair of you believe that no evidence has been shared with Tate and his / her lawyer? Any link to support this claim?

When you are detained in custody, you are normally given key disclosure but not necessarily full disclosure before being interviewed. I have no idea how many times Tate has been interviewed or not since arrest - do you?

If no disclosure has been given to Tate’s legal team prior to any interview then this is an unlawful detention and this to the best of my knowledge has not been alleged in any bail hearing unless you know something that we all don’t?

The Romanian prosecutors have not done anything unlawful by detaining Tate for 70 days - they have their reasons and a judge has authorised their detention. Where do you believe it is illegal or corrupt and why?

 

[Technics 1210]

Classic liberal move, the officials are acting within the law. Right, well, Tate was acting with the law too, otherwise he'd have been arrested moons ago when he made those so called self-incriminating videos.

Tsk tsk.

 

[Waq]

What timing? The police also must disclose any evidence they have as soon as they have it.

From google. "Do the police have to disclose evidence?
This sharing of information is called disclosure; material is 'disclosed' to the defence. Disclosure happens in all criminal cases and the police – who investigate crimes and gather evidence – have an obligation to disclose any material they have that they think is 'relevant' to the case."

What the disgusting MET officers are accused of esp as its systematic is far far worse but you're not interested. I would love to find out why you're mute, please to tell.

No they don’t. Police can obtain evidence but if it’s not enough to charge then they can continue their line of enquiry. Your google link would be appreciated.

As you maybe able to identify - I don’t deny that disclosure is necessary but it’s timing is what make it’s lawful.

You are a funny guy. Again what has the Met police got to do with this Tate case. Where am I mute and why do you want to know my views of met police?

 

[Technics 1210]

What timing? The police also must disclose any evidence they have as soon as they have it.

From google. "Do the police have to disclose evidence?
This sharing of information is called disclosure; material is 'disclosed' to the defence. Disclosure happens in all criminal cases and the police – who investigate crimes and gather evidence – have an obligation to disclose any material they have that they think is 'relevant' to the case."

What the disgusting MET officers are accused of esp as its systematic is far far worse but you're not interested. I would love to find out why you're mute, please to tell.

Liberals are not interested in the law, they are certainly not interested in equality let alone innocent until proven guilty.

The only reason liberals are chiming in this thread is because Tate converted to Islam. This is the only fact that is clear as daylight.

I guess that's the power of Islam, it attracts all sorts one way or another.

 

[Waq]

Classic liberal move, the officials are acting within the law. Right, well, Tate was acting with the law too, otherwise he'd have been arrested moons ago when he made those so called self-incriminating videos.

Tsk tsk.

So you personally know if and when the victims came forward to the Romanian police and made allegations of sexual exploitation and rape against Tate? I don’t know this information but would love to hear your inside knowledge.

With regards to your point about his video where he admits pimping and sells it as course for £50, you may have forgotten my earlier post where sexual exploitation and rape requires a victim. Tate didn’t mention any names in his self incriminating video other than saying he pimped his girlfriends. You need an actual victim to prosecute.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No they don’t. Police can obtain evidence but if it’s not enough to charge then they can continue their line of enquiry. Your google link would be appreciated.

As you maybe able to identify - I don’t deny that disclosure is necessary but it’s timing is what make it’s lawful.

You are a funny guy. Again what has the Met police got to do with this Tate case. Where am I mute and why do you want to know my views of met police?

So there's no evidence for charges or for convictions! There is no timing if there is evidence to hand over. Its been months now, not sure what they think they will find after finding jack so far.

The point is the MET allegations are far more serious yet this case gets more media attention. You are also more interested in this so wondered by you and the media are. Of course your right is not to discuss anything you dont want to or dont care of but strange.

 

[Technics 1210]

Unsurprisingly, where are these 4 other women (out of the 6)? Surely their testimonies are enough to charge Tate? I mean if the affidavits of the 2 other women supporting Tate were made public, what are the remaining 4 women waiting for?

Probably being coerced!

Very very fishy indeed.

 

[Waq]

In fact let me educate the pair of you a bit more.

If I said in a video that I have murdered somebody as a hitman then I have incriminated myself for murder and admitted it. I cannot however be prosecuted for the crime of murder in a court of law until a victim is identified as that is one of the points to prove.

You must have a grasp of law before you go all technical. Criminal prosecution is not like it is shown on the Bill or a Netflix movie.