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9 runs in 3 games another reason for our horror WC, Babar is a match winner unlike Rizwan , hence Babar failed= Pakistan failed
 
Kianig89 said:
9 runs in 3 games another reason for our horror WC, Babar is a match winner unlike Rizwan , hence Babar failed= Pakistan failed
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A lack of mental strength aswell losing 2 close matches one of them should’ve been won however India and Zimbabwe are not the teams to test our team properly in these conditions.

Luckily we didn’t have Australia England South Africa New Zealand all in our group then we would’ve been tested properly and the results not good for Pakistan.
 
GreenBee said:
His whole career and stats are all about playing every single match against every single minnow or 3rd string attack, piling records. These 3 matches really don't mean a lot, anyone can have a bad period, but Babar was always ultra overrated.
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Babar Azam has 1 test century against SENA in SENA. That tells you everything you need to know about his technique. Which has again got exposed in Australia

He needs to improve his technique against the swinging ball. Got caught lbw against Arshdeep against the inswinger and then got squared up against the outswinger against ZImbabwe

Remember Nasser Hussain telling how he squares up against away swinger during the 2019 WC in England. Seems to have the same issue even now
 
Even if we ignore Bbar's current loss of form he was never a prolific scorer in tests. He is pretty good in ODIs but average in T20s. In t20s s/r takes precedence over average as its only 120 balls that a batting team faces. Hogging teh balls for 1st 10 overs scoring little over than run a ball is a crime in t20. Especially if you dont have a 5th gear in death overs.
 
[MENTION=43051]Mobashir[/MENTION]

Who is the best in the world now?
 
I read somewhere Babar said: We will now pay attention to the strike rate. Little did I know he meant the opposite of what most people assumed. 6 runs from 15 deliveries is not ok.
 
Babar's horrendous innings comes to an end

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Babar Azam at the T20 World Cup:<br><br>0 off 1<br>4 off 9<br>4 off 5<br>6 off 15<br><br>14 runs 30 balls<br>Average of 3.50<br>Strike rate of 46.67<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1588089137080459264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Let's face it, if Babar had not been captain, another honest captain would have dropped him from the playing eleven based on his lack of form and even worse completely shot body language. T20 format is very cruel where you cannot carry out of form players in the playing eleven.
 
First I used to think he is better than Kohli.
But this year proved Kohli is the GOAT.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Why did they start calling him King? It doesn't even rhyme with Babar?
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Since there's King Kohli, Pak media and Babar fans are desperate to have their own King.

Babar's name should not even be in the same conversation with a worringly growing list of failures in tournament matches. His stubborness and refusal to move to 3 is actively hurting us.
 
Should retire from T20's and concentrate on Test cricket where he truly belongs.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Why did they start calling him King? It doesn't even rhyme with Babar?
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Desperation of Pakistani fans and media to advertise him as the next Kohli when he isn’t and never will be half the player.

They have even forced Twitter to make the goat emoji next to his name which is hilarious because he doesn’t even have 0.1% chance of becoming a GOAT batsman.
 
He is nowhere near the top 3 batsmen for any format. By Pakistani standards, he is still great though.
 
Pak fans desperation to club Babar with Kohli reminds me of their same desperation back when they tried to put Inzamam ahead of Tendulkar.
 
babar azam is not a t20 batter, and its clearly showing, people get touchy and think this is an attack on his odi and test batting too... its not, he isnt even playing up to standard odi innings in t20s... anyone can hang in there and play selfish/futile long innings ... and obv some will go as wins... bobby if comes out of opener and goes into #3 #4 with proper t20 openers, then he had a role in a t20 team, otherwise he wont win you any games which matter. ditto for rizzy in t20s...
 
Babar is as old Kohli was in 2016-17.

By 2016-17, Kohli had 4-5 double-hundreds on his name, several Test hundreds outside Asia, some of the greatest ODI and T20I knocks ever played.

Babar is not even half the player Kohli was by end of 2016. It was that year where he went from a world class player to an all-time great. Babar is not even close of entering the discussion of an all-time great.

Pakistani fans need to stop embarrassing themselves.
 
The only format Babar is somewhat great is in ODIs, which is a format that nobody cares about anymore. In T20s and tests, formats that actually matter, he is far from a great.
 
Nothing more than an upgraded version of Manish Pandey as far as 120 ball limit game is concerned.
 
Most consecutive Single Digit scores by Captain in T20WC


4 - Babar Azam (2022)*
3 - Aaron Finch (2021)
3 - Mohd Ashraful (2007)
 
Babar Azam in 2022 T20Is

In Bilateral/Tri Series
13 Inngs, 543 runs, 54.30 Avg, 135.75 SR

In Tournaments
10 Inngs, 82 runs, 8.20 Avg, 88.17 SR
 
Mamoon said:
Babar is as old Kohli was in 2016-17.

By 2016-17, Kohli had 4-5 double-hundreds on his name, several Test hundreds outside Asia, some of the greatest ODI and T20I knocks ever played.

Babar is not even half the player Kohli was by end of 2016. It was that year where he went from a world class player to an all-time great. Babar is not even close of entering the discussion of an all-time great.

Pakistani fans need to stop embarrassing themselves.
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He does suffer from the low amount of cricket we play. And his peak years in his best format are being wasted becuz no one plays odis anymore
 
MHN1293 said:
He does suffer from the low amount of cricket we play. And his peak years in his best format are being wasted becuz no one plays odis anymore
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No one is playing ODIs because we are in World T20 season. We had back to back World T20s which is why teams are focusing on this format. After this tournament we will have a lot of ODI cricket until 2023 because of the ODI World Cup.

Pakistan alone is playing 8 ODIs against New Zealand. While Babar has not been able to capitalize on ODIs over the last 12 months, he has taken full advantage of T20 cricket.

Overall, Babar has played more than enough cricket to have several iconic performances across all formats but he has fallen short.
 
Savak said:
Let's face it, if Babar had not been captain, another honest captain would have dropped him from the playing eleven based on his lack of form and even worse completely shot body language. T20 format is very cruel where you cannot carry out of form players in the playing eleven.
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Don't think so. Babar is capable of pulling big scores out of the midst of bad form and has done so in the past. Replacing him with Asif Ali (c) or Haider Ali isn't very appealing even now. Maybe if we had a half decent bench it'd be a tougher decision.
 
daytrader said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Babar Azam at the T20 World Cup:<br><br>0 off 1<br>4 off 9<br>4 off 5<br>6 off 15<br><br>14 runs 30 balls<br>Average of 3.50<br>Strike rate of 46.67<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/T20WorldCup?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#T20WorldCup</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1588089137080459264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 3, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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An Inzy-like World Cup for Babar.
 
[MENTION=43051]Mobashir[/MENTION]

Another stunning knock by the best batsman in the world. Where does this knock rank according to you?
 
Just because he is going through a tough patch. You're gonna mock at him like this?
If he isn't the best batter in the world currently, how come he still has most runs, most tons, most runs in winning cause in 2022 despite of his poor form in WC and Asia Cup?
 
heddie19 said:
Just because he is going through a tough patch. You're gonna mock at him like this?
If he isn't the best batter in the world currently, how come he still has most runs, most tons, most runs in winning cause in 2022 despite of his poor form in WC and Asia Cup?
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Because he has been making hay against weak bowling units in zero pressure games. The Asia Cup and the World Cup has proved that a 34 year old Kohli is still leagues above him.

Babar is a very good player, but he is not the player his fans think he is. He is Inzi, Yousuf level. Don’t disrespect players like Kohli who are in a completely different stratosphere.

Pakistani fans do not do Babar a favor by overhyping him. It leads to Babar getting criticized more than he should.

It is not Babar’s fault that he doesn’t have the talent, skill and mental capacity to be like Kohli. He is giving his 100% but he can only play at a level that he is capable of.

These foolish comparisons with Kohli is ruining Babar’s career. His biggest problem is not his batting but his fans.
 
Hes going through a tough phase at the moment Hopefully he ll come good for the semi

Seriously needs to consider just dropping down to 3 even if its a temporary
 
195 against Starc, Hazelwood and Cummins is weak bowling attack for you?

The same Sam Curran you considered a weak bolwer is among the top bowlers this WC.

1. He doesn't choose his attack himself neither.
2. Kohli isn't scoring runs against Mcgraths or Donalds or Akrams either.
3. Fact of the matter is Babar is the best all format player atm and you can't do anything about it, it's not your fault that it isn't your Kohli or anyone else.
 
heddie19 said:
195 against Starc, Hazelwood and Cummins is weak bowling attack for you?

The same Sam Curran you considered a weak bolwer is among the top bowlers this WC.

1. He doesn't choose his attack himself neither.
2. Kohli isn't scoring runs against Mcgraths or Donalds or Akrams either.
3. Fact of the matter is Babar is the best all format player atm and you can't do anything about it, it's not your fault that it isn't your Kohli or anyone else.
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Please keep that in mind before embarrassing yourself by comparing him with Kohli.

Steyn, Mitchell Jhonson, Malinga, Anderson, Rabada, Cummins, Hazelwood. Name any top bowler of his era.. Kohli had Test 100's against them in away series.

Kohli had 6 Tests tons in Australia when he was 26. Total 11 Tons on Australia Soil in all formats...

No need to discuss about T20 format, Guy already had back-to-back MOT's in world cups and probably third one this time.
 
Mamoon said:
These foolish comparisons with Kohli is ruining Babar’s career. His biggest problem is not his batting but his fans.
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This is something that's been said here multiple times. The fans who expect him to be equal to or better than Kohli are setting themselves up for disappointment. And it will be these same fans who will hate him for something he had nothing to do with, or even wanted in the first place.
 
Following the match, Pakistan's legendary former captain Inzamam-ul-Haq expressed his worries over Babar's form.

“Babar ne Asia Cup me score nahi kiya tha. Par maine usko kisi bhi din nahi kaha ki vo out of form lag raha hai. Bad luck ho jaati hai batsman ki, har match me score nahi hota. Ye T20 hai aur aapke paas time kam hota hai. Lekin mujhe aaj ye dekhke ahsaas hua ki vo pitch pe khada tha, saari cheezein try kar raha tha but nahi ho paa raha tha. (Babar didn't score in Asia Cup too, but I never said tha the was out of form. Sometimes, luck doesn't favour you, it's a T20 and you have less time. But today, I realised that Babar was trying a lot of things but it just wasn't clicking for him),”

“Uske saath kismat thi, agar pehla snick laga tha, agar vo catch ho jaata toh aur mushkil hoti. Uspe aur pressure aata. (He was lucky, if he had got out off his first snick, it would've been more difficult. He would've been under more pressure),”

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...am-s-struggles-in-t20-wc-101667738806641.html
 
He is a steady eddy in all formats. May not be an enforcer. Can't move from 2nd gear to 5th gear to thrash the bowling all over. Acceleration skills i will give 5/10 to Babar. Amla is the closest comparison. But Amla was a beast in Tests. Scored triple hundred, double hundreds. Babar has not fully evolved across the formats. He has room to improve in all the formats. Smith/Root out of the race. Kane and Kohli same batch guys. Probably on their last legs. So it was natural you see a lull. At this point he has no competition as most teams started using specialists exclusively for T20 long back. India might as well adopt the strategy. Over a period this all format specialist theory will become stale as most won't be playing in all 3 formats since there are better players.

Right now Devon Conway is the only name that i can think of. Conway averages 50 in Tests 40 in ODis, 50 in T20s
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Please keep that in mind before embarrassing yourself by comparing him with Kohli.

Steyn, Mitchell Jhonson, Malinga, Anderson, Rabada, Cummins, Hazelwood. Name any top bowler of his era.. Kohli had Test 100's against them in away series.

Kohli had 6 Tests tons in Australia when he was 26. Total 11 Tons on Australia Soil in all formats...

No need to discuss about T20 format, Guy already had back-to-back MOT's in world cups and probably third one this time.
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Also check how many series he played against the likes of the bowlers that you mentioned.

Guy is already back to back MOT's but yet to win a single T20 WC. Must be hard to swallow.

Lastly, this is not a comparision thread. Let's stick to the topic and admit that Babar Azam is the best player in the world currently despite his poor current form. Thanks.
 
MenInG said:
Following the match, Pakistan's legendary former captain Inzamam-ul-Haq expressed his worries over Babar's form.

“Babar ne Asia Cup me score nahi kiya tha. Par maine usko kisi bhi din nahi kaha ki vo out of form lag raha hai. Bad luck ho jaati hai batsman ki, har match me score nahi hota. Ye T20 hai aur aapke paas time kam hota hai. Lekin mujhe aaj ye dekhke ahsaas hua ki vo pitch pe khada tha, saari cheezein try kar raha tha but nahi ho paa raha tha. (Babar didn't score in Asia Cup too, but I never said tha the was out of form. Sometimes, luck doesn't favour you, it's a T20 and you have less time. But today, I realised that Babar was trying a lot of things but it just wasn't clicking for him),”

“Uske saath kismat thi, agar pehla snick laga tha, agar vo catch ho jaata toh aur mushkil hoti. Uspe aur pressure aata. (He was lucky, if he had got out off his first snick, it would've been more difficult. He would've been under more pressure),”

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...am-s-struggles-in-t20-wc-101667738806641.html
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I completely agree with it.
 
He is a good ODI and Test player (Still to prove a lot in this format) but a very poor T20 player. He is only playing because of his reputation and because he is playing for Pakistan. His SR is poor and never takes his game to the next gear. Rizwan is no better.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
He is a steady eddy in all formats. May not be an enforcer. Can't move from 2nd gear to 5th gear to thrash the bowling all over. Acceleration skills i will give 5/10 to Babar. Amla is the closest comparison. But Amla was a beast in Tests. Scored triple hundred, double hundreds. Babar has not fully evolved across the formats. He has room to improve in all the formats. Smith/Root out of the race. Kane and Kohli same batch guys. Probably on their last legs. So it was natural you see a lull. At this point he has no competition as most teams started using specialists exclusively for T20 long back. India might as well adopt the strategy. Over a period this all format specialist theory will become stale as most won't be playing in all 3 formats since there are better players.

Right now Devon Conway is the only name that i can think of. Conway averages 50 in Tests 40 in ODis, 50 in T20s
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Amla scores fast in pp in t20s, as good as any attacking opener..
 
heddie19 said:
Also check how many series he played against the likes of the bowlers that you mentioned.

Guy is already back to back MOT's but yet to win a single T20 WC. Must be hard to swallow.

Lastly, this is not a comparision thread. Let's stick to the topic and admit that Babar Azam is the best player in the world currently despite his poor current form. Thanks.
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How he can be best player currently and have poor form same time? 🧐🤔
 
Smbhayi said:
How he can be best player currently and have poor form same time? &#55358;&#56784;&#55358;&#56596;
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Probably his bad form has a single digit matches and too only in one format. If God forbid the same form goes to Test and ODIs then he won't be the best anymore. Simple.
 
heddie19 said:
Also check how many series he played against the likes of the bowlers that you mentioned.

Guy is already back to back MOT's but yet to win a single T20 WC. Must be hard to swallow.

Lastly, this is not a comparision thread. Let's stick to the topic and admit that Babar Azam is the best player in the world currently despite his poor current form. Thanks.
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Not the best player, but yes he was scoring most consistently. To be the best player he doesn't have that fear factor that some other players had at their time like Viv, Sachin, ABD , every bowler knows that till the time these players are at crease anything can happen. This is not the case with Babar.
 
Aided with luck but Babar delivered today one more plz
The elegance and class of Babar is such that it just oozes confidence into whole team, Yes Kohli is ahead of him because India plays more test and frequent overseas tour but with the kind of batting we have Babar is worth in gold in that.
 
Kianig89 said:
Aided with luck but Babar delivered today one more plz
The elegance and class of Babar is such that it just oozes confidence into whole team, Yes Kohli is ahead of him because India plays more test and frequent overseas tour but with the kind of batting we have Babar is worth in gold in that.
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It was a bit like Sachin's inning against Pakistan in 2011 WC. Although Sachin got multiple opportunities in that inning and Babar got just one. Both of these innings helped their team reach the final of a global tournament. :inti
 
He will always let you down under pressure. Cost Pakistan the semifinal last year, the Asia Cup final and now this final.

A true choker. Just a stats padder against weak teams under no pressure. Basically Amla 2.0
 
Took his team to a World Cup final even when he wasn't in the best of form. He is yet to reach his peak. :inti
 
Jogindar sharma won india 2007 world cup by performing throughout the tournament he's Goat allrounder though he wasn't in the best of form else he would have won MoTm
 
Babar Azam at best can be compared to Williamson ,He isn't half of kohli it's blasphemous to compare with him with Goat Kohli, Kohli can be compared with Only ABDv, They both are on Goat level in this decade rest are 2nd,3rd tear batsman, I have seen today babar Batting he was trying to hit over the filders and bowl barely crossing over their head such a harmless batsman ,he's best can be compared to Amla ,Babar Faced 140 bowls in this tournament didn't hit even a single six while he's in peak years 28-30, Can't play Bounce , Can't play 145+ Fast bowlers and short stuff aimed at head for example Mark wood, Looks hapless against spin an yet here only on this forum guys overeate so much an average player ,Even pak analyst and excricketer On you tube channels says babar isn't half of kohli in term of impact If someone deserve Hype it's "Saheen shah afridi, Haris Rauf, Shadab khan the real Deal.
 
Aseem_04 said:
Jogindar sharma won india 2007 world cup by performing throughout the tournament he's Goat allrounder though he wasn't in the best of form else he would have won MoTm
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Babar ended with worst strike rate among all the openers of top nation in the world in this tournament. A strike rate of 93 and average of 17. :91: :inti

Probably costed his team a World Cup through his awful batting.
 
Babar needs to play a couple of 4 day matches in the ongoing quade azam trophy and get ready for the series against nz.

He lacks sweep shot in his armory which goes against his sometime , he needs to practice it in the nets and employ in the domestic.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Took his team to a World Cup final even when he wasn't in the best of form. He is yet to reach his peak. :inti
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There’s pathetic and then there’s this level of pathetic! “Took the team” 🤣… if anything, he was the biggest reason why Pakistan didn’t post anything substantive throughout the tournament. Just concede that your team was let down by Babar and stop defending subpar performances.
I do agree he’s yet to reach his peak in Test cricket where he’s best suited with his highly capable, good technical batting.
 
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I respect babar Azam and his talent but it's not his faults that people have exaggerated expectations with him,He's at best can be compared to Amla or Williamson. He wasn't able to play on bouncier pitches was looking , Can't play 145+ bowlers even in Pakistani pitches and short pitch bowling, And equally pathetic against spinners, While he's in peak years 28-30. He played 140 balls in this tournament and didn't hit single six only fifty came on subcontinent style wicket where bowl wasn't bouncing above waist height , It's blasphemous to compare him with GOAT kohli, Afterwards 2000 -2022 The Two greatest Batsman Kohli and Abdv Rest all are in second third tear, Even pakistani excricketer and youtubers Says Babar isn't even half of kohli but I don't get this unnecessary hype on this forum, while the one who deserves Hype are Saheen shah afridi and shadab khan.
 
charlie007 said:
There’s pathetic and then there’s this level of pathetic! “Took the team” 🤣… if anything, he was the biggest reason why Pakistan didn’t post anything substantive throughout the tournament. Just concede that your team was let down by Babar and stop defending subpar performances.
I do agree he’s yet to reach his peak in Test cricket where he’s best suited with his highly capable, good technical batting.
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He took his team to the final of T20 WC. Let that sink in. :inti
 
Babar is technically not a T20 batsman as absurd as it may sound. Pakistan should plan to gradually phase him into ODI where he is brilliant and Test where he can be the middle order mainstay. Dont commit the mistake that India has done by glorifying averages of Rohit and Kohli and retaining them for ever in T20. This is a very different format, here SR matters more than average, shotmaking and execution means more than conventional technique, elegance is preceded by powerplay. Learn how England has been brutal in moving out Root who is their best batsman out of this format to build a ruthless lineup.
 
Massive dent to his T20 reputation (earned through the wrong metrics though). He is supposed to be at peak of his powers. But i kinda expected him to perform below expectations. But not this low. Had issues against movement, had issues against bounce. Even on a road the one ball that moved caught the edge to keeper. He can still open in UAE/ subcontinent conditions. But Australia has been unkind to his batting style.
 
RajBan said:
Babar is technically not a T20 batsman as absurd as it may sound. Pakistan should plan to gradually phase him into ODI where he is brilliant and Test where he can be the middle order mainstay. Dont commit the mistake that India has done by glorifying averages of Rohit and Kohli and retaining them for ever in T20. This is a very different format, here SR matters more than average, shotmaking and execution means more than conventional technique, elegance is preceded by powerplay. Learn how England has been brutal in moving out Root who is their best batsman out of this format to build a ruthless lineup.
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Kohli avgs 50 plus with a SR of nearly 140. Rohit avgs 32 with a SR of 140.

How is that bad by any stretch?
 
Kohli Average is 50+ and Strike rate is 140 considering that he has playing since 2008 at that Time Gilchrist and Yuvi also had strike rate around 130 ,And He back to back won two T20 motm, In this wc also highest scorer If he had support from our bowlers would have won us 3 wc's ,Kohli Is Goat Loi Player there was no one like him and never will be ever, Has around insane 75+ Average in Wc matches whilse chasing and overall too 80+ and second best just around 45+ That tells us how Colossus player is kohli almost Bradmanesque whiles chasing most astute Brain in chasing, I admit Steve smith is better than him in test though ,But over all if someone equal to him post 2000 era only Abdv rest all aren't half of him.
 
Aseem_04 said:
Kohli Average is 50+ and Strike rate is 140 considering that he has playing since 2008 at that Time Gilchrist and Yuvi also had strike rate around 130 ,And He back to back won two T20 motm, In this wc also highest scorer If he had support from our bowlers would have won us 3 wc's ,Kohli Is Goat Loi Player there was no one like him and never will be ever, Has around insane 75+ Average in Wc matches whilse chasing and overall too 80+ and second best just around 45+ That tells us how Colossus player is kohli almost Bradmanesque whiles chasing most astute Brain in chasing, I admit Steve smith is better than him in test though ,But over all if someone equal to him post 2000 era only Abdv rest all aren't half of him.
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Last 3 years are supposed to be his worst period. Post pandemic

43 matches 40 innings 1558 runs 57.04 avge 142.41 strike rate
 
Best all format batter in the world who can't even play a googly. :misbah

Honestly, his dismal in the final was so embarrassing. Babar is easily the most overrated batsman in world cricket right now.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Kohli avgs 50 plus with a SR of nearly 140. Rohit avgs 32 with a SR of 140.

How is that bad by any stretch?
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140 SR is not good enough when they play in powerplay and their playing style enables them to play most of the overs. T20 does not need build up play as shown by England. Infact survival approach in first 6 overs is detrimental instead.
 
Don’t ever let this guy near a t20 team ever again. Keep him away from PSL too. Let him focus on test and ODIs.

There’s a reason Root and Smith don’t play t20s.
 
Every team needs a better like Babar. It's his position that was questionable in the t20. He would have been the perfect batsman for the number 3. (others can play around him). Babar had no clarity about his role due to the pressure created by the media and fans. He ended up losing his confidence in trying to do something which is not his forte.

I think Babar should focus more on tests to establish his legacy by scoring multiple match-defining knocks in Australia, England, and South Africa. (with his talent, it’ll be an under-achievement if he can’t do that at the end of his career) .
 
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