Thanks that you have acknowledging that it is not fair.
They also do everything to make a mess of those events for Pakistan and in the end the whole event gets shifted to some other country...makes sense
That is an issue for the ICC and those boards. Whether they will let themselves be used as hostages by BCCI.
ICC has never been fair. You are only extra mad that now your neighbor, with whom you assume a default parity status, actually has run away with the control and also performances in cricket. Had India-Pak relations improved and Pakistan able to manage its own internal messes, PCB would, without much effort, have been the 2nd richest board right now.
As I said, there is a very easy decision for the ICC to make. I don't know why the ICC cannot settle this immediately.
ICC can resolve this quickly and easily. SL in, India out. Away we go with CT in Pakistan.
No one is stopping PCB or ICC from doing that. BCCI or GoI has no control over what ICC does if they themselves choose not to participate.
Why is it the India have to play. If they don't want to play, it's ok. Why not move on to the next team. Simple solution.
Very simple I agree . Can you request your board to let the ICC know please so a decision can be made.
Firstly, not my board. Secondly, the ICC can make the decision on their own. They are under no obligation to wait for a yes/no from BCCI. But as a courtesy, they can set a deadline for confirmation of participation. If they don't hear back, India out, SL in. Simple as. CT can go on as planned.
ICC are operating under the basis India are going.
Just because India is taking it's own sweet time does not mean that ICC has to wait. ICC should just move on. India miss the bus. SL get on the bus. Pakistan host CT.
Rs. 12.8 billion isn’t chump change. Looks like they are adding new pavilions and hospitality boxes to three stadiums. This phase won’t include double tiering because of time constraints but I do hope there are more renos next year.
What will ICC do if India doesn't turn up and loses 80% of the tournament revenue ?
Nothing much, ICC won't be losing any revenue unless India's participation is part of the broadcaster deal. India will lose participation share and broadbaster will be seriously pissed and next contract will include the clause of Indian participation.
Aiven hi, They revived champions Trophy. It was well decided in 2016 that 2017 edition would be that last.
Expect that if a hybrid model is adopted, Pakistan will start demanding one for India-hosted tournaments. Again, England and Australia have backed Pakistan to host the Champions Trophy and ICC tournaments make no money without Pakistan vs. India. They could bully Pakistan over the Asia Cup but this is an ICC tournament. If India continues to refuse to tour Pakistan, then let's lay all the cards on the table. No ICC revenue from Pakistan-India matches for the ICC unless they give Pakistan something in return-namely, Pakistan should be allowed to host their tournament matches at home.
So you think Australia and England back Pakistan over india?? Right .
That is broadcaster revenue. There are other broadcasters waiting in line to cast the tournament. The revenue share comes from all over the globe watchers with major share in India because of India's cricket following population.
ICC are working under the assumption that India is touring precisely because there has been nothing said about not going.
Because of Indian bureaucracy. Later the declaration, PCB will be under the gun to accept the demands. Horse trading, trying to guage ICC reponse to Indians refusal to tour Pakistan. Negotiations and horse trading to show broadcast revenue to be affected if India doesn’t tour
So the assumption that India is trying to hold the cricket world hostage ( including fans) is correct .....
Really? Pakistan contributes nothing? Then why are they always scheduled to play each other in ICC tournaments? Be serious with yourself and look past your saffron sunglasses for a minute.
I am not sure I would use the word hostage. But being the most powerful sports body, they have their fair share of demands in their responsibility towards ICT and its fans.
Right indeed! If they didn't, then why is Pakistan hosting the Champions trophy? Why are we even having this conversation? Why has this thread gone on for 13 pages and over 1000 posts? They could have held the Champions Trophy in England, Australia, or South Africa and the question of India coming to Pakistan would have been a nonissue.
Well, IIRC this series was awarded to Pakistan when Ganguly was BCCI chairman. Ganguly was sympathetic towards PCB.
Now that SCG has been unceremoniously kicked out. ECB and CAB don’t care where the series is hosted as long as they get $ bills
The tournament is mere months away.
Well, they are negotiating to see what are the outcomes of the decision. Menwhile pcb != world cricket. IMO ICT shouldn’t be playing cricket with PCT.
So ICC reads Jay Shahs mind and makes the announcement?
Btw India in not obliged to declare its intentions. Difficult to predict security situation 6 months from now.
Where is this negotiation taking place and what stage are the talks?
So they want a security assesment on the day of the match before deciding to play or not?
I am pretty sure these are off the record negotiations happening
Normally happens a month or so ahead.
They need to cross international borders between two hostile nations. Infeasible IMO
Gotcha, so you are working under the assumption that Pakistan-India matches contribute nothing at all to ICC tournament revenues.BCCI set to get nearly 40% of ICC's annual net earnings
New revenue-distribution model sees Indian board earning close to US$ 230 million a year, while no other Full Member has a percentage share in double digitswww.espncricinfo.com
Read the article.
85 per cent of ICC revenues come from India. Then there's England and Australia.
Rest of the countries together probably don't even contribute 10 per cent. So calculate how much pakistan is contributing.
Agreed. Something needs to give so a decision is made public.
BCCI has already agreed subject to Government clearance
No it isn't. While Pakistan-India trade has been suspended since the Pulwama attacks and 27/2 standoff, Afghanistan still conducts land-based trade with Pakistan through the Wagah border, and they're using Pakistani-registered trucks to do it:
indianexpress.com
Yeah so the players travel 1 hour plus routeNo it isn't. While Pakistan-India trade has been suspended since the Pulwama attacks and 27/2 standoff, Afghanistan still conducts land-based trade with Pakistan through the Wagah border, and they're using Pakistani-registered trucks to do it:
Punjab businessmen hope to resume trade with Pak following BJP assurances
Since February 2019, although Afghanistan and India continue to engage in trade via Pakistan, the two neighbouring countries — India and Pakistan — have stopped buying and selling each other’s products.
Shuttling cricket teams through the Wagah border or flying them to Mohala or Delhi won't be a problem, especially because it's one of the most heavily protected border crossings in the world on both sides of the border. Both sides would lose much if a cricket team was attacked there.
Coincidentally-that's why it would also be in Pakistan's absolute best interests to handle security perfectly for an ICT match in Lahore. They have everything to lose if India gets attacked.
1 hour plus travel time + international Visa checks is not feasible on match day.No it isn't. While Pakistan-India trade has been suspended since the Pulwama attacks and 27/2 standoff, Afghanistan still conducts land-based trade with Pakistan through the Wagah border, and they're using Pakistani-registered trucks to do it:
Punjab businessmen hope to resume trade with Pak following BJP assurances
Since February 2019, although Afghanistan and India continue to engage in trade via Pakistan, the two neighbouring countries — India and Pakistan — have stopped buying and selling each other’s products.
Shuttling cricket teams through the Wagah border or flying them to Mohala or Delhi won't be a problem, especially because it's one of the most heavily protected border crossings in the world on both sides of the border. Both sides would lose much if a cricket team was attacked there.
Coincidentally-that's why it would also be in Pakistan's absolute best interests to handle security perfectly for an ICT match in Lahore. They have everything to lose if India gets attacked.
Why does the ICC schedule the India Pakistan game in every tournament without fail?
To maximise the revenue, since chances that pak qualify further are low lol.
alag level ke jugaad!!No it isn't. While Pakistan-India trade has been suspended since the Pulwama attacks and 27/2 standoff, Afghanistan still conducts land-based trade with Pakistan through the Wagah border, and they're using Pakistani-registered trucks to do it:
One sixty-seven trucks carrying dry fruits, 132 carrying fresh fruits, 37 with Malathi and a truck each of wool and anardana entered India through the Integrated Check Post at Attari in the first two months of 2024. While the goods came from Afghanistan and were meant for the Indian markets, the vehicles that carried them bore Pakistani registration number plates.
Since February 2019, although Afghanistan and India continue to engage in trade via Pakistan, the two neighbouring countries — India and Pakistan — have stopped buying and selling each other’s products.
Trade with Pakistan was first hit after an imposition of 200 per cent duty by the Indian government following the Pulwama attack in February 2019 which saw the death of 40 CRPF personnel. Later, the Pakistan government officially suspended trade with India in August 2019 following the abrogation of Article 370 in Jammu and Kashmir.
Punjab businessmen hope to resume trade with Pak following BJP assurances
Since February 2019, although Afghanistan and India continue to engage in trade via Pakistan, the two neighbouring countries — India and Pakistan — have stopped buying and selling each other’s products.
Shuttling cricket teams through the Wagah border or flying them to Mohala or Delhi won't be a problem, especially because it's one of the most heavily protected border crossings in the world on both sides of the border. Both sides would lose much if a cricket team was attacked there.
Coincidentally-that's why it would also be in Pakistan's absolute best interests to handle security perfectly for an ICT match in Lahore. They have everything to lose if India gets attacked.
It is not in the domain of BCCI right now. The matter is now with sports ministry.
Then we need to Stop playing all the sports with Pakistan .why only cricket team is not playing while other sports teams has no problem going to Pakistan. to some extent even I don't understand GOI policy .
