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That ad was hilarious... "Araha hai Pakistan... Dhoni: anay do!" lo bhui agyai hahahaIt really is. They can finally take revenge for aane do series
Which side do you think West Indies, Bangladesh and South Africa take? BCCI or PCB?India not playing in Pakistan against Pakistan is also a huge loss in revenue for broadcasters. For Indian broadcasters to make money, the ICC would have to be pressured to give India a non-Pakistani venue. If the ICC does that, all the PCB has to do is refuse and call their bluff. World cricket would then be thrown into turmoil.
The ICC would have to take action and either try to impose penalties on Pakistan's international cricket or allow the tournament to go ahead without India. If the ICC does the former, it presents a golden opportunity to break the ICC and the Big Three's stranglehold on cricket. The Big Three can continue playing among themselves while a separate cricket organization could be formed to cater to nations such as Pakistan, West Indies, Bangladesh, and South Africa.
The ICC would then have to acquiesce at some point. A similar situation happened in the past with Packer World Cricket.
You seem to think WI, BD and SA are guaranteed to side with the PCB and not with the B3. What about SL?India not playing in Pakistan against Pakistan is also a huge loss in revenue for broadcasters. For Indian broadcasters to make money, the ICC would have to be pressured to give India a non-Pakistani venue. If the ICC does that, all the PCB has to do is refuse and call their bluff. World cricket would then be thrown into turmoil.
The ICC would have to take action and either try to impose penalties on Pakistan's international cricket or allow the tournament to go ahead without India. If the ICC does the former, it presents a golden opportunity to break the ICC and the Big Three's stranglehold on cricket. The Big Three can continue playing among themselves while a separate cricket organization could be formed to cater to nations such as Pakistan, West Indies, Bangladesh, and South Africa.
The ICC would then have to acquiesce at some point. A similar situation happened in the past with Packer World Cricket.
India can withstand the losses and compensate ICC and other member boards except Pakistan. What does Pakistan bring to the table ?India not playing in Pakistan against Pakistan is also a huge loss in revenue for broadcasters. For Indian broadcasters to make money, the ICC would have to be pressured to give India a non-Pakistani venue. If the ICC does that, all the PCB has to do is refuse and call their bluff. World cricket would then be thrown into turmoil.
The ICC would have to take action and either try to impose penalties on Pakistan's international cricket or allow the tournament to go ahead without India. If the ICC does the former, it presents a golden opportunity to break the ICC and the Big Three's stranglehold on cricket. The Big Three can continue playing among themselves while a separate cricket organization could be formed to cater to nations such as Pakistan, West Indies, Bangladesh, and South Africa.
The ICC would then have to acquiesce at some point. A similar situation happened in the past with Packer World Cricket.
Exactly.. that's what it's all about. Your last statement is the answer to your question. The funds from CT and icc events when Ind participates goes to Associates nations and for whom without these funds that Ind generates they would go kaput. Rameez rraja himself said pak gets funds from ind participating in icc eventsAll these revenue talks are due to greed.
I refuse to believe cricket can't be played if India do not participate. Do affiliate/associate nations not play cricket? There are no India in their tournaments.
It continues to amaze me as to how high an importance Pakistani fans give to Pak cricket in the cricketing world.India not playing in Pakistan against Pakistan is also a huge loss in revenue for broadcasters. For Indian broadcasters to make money, the ICC would have to be pressured to give India a non-Pakistani venue. If the ICC does that, all the PCB has to do is refuse and call their bluff. World cricket would then be thrown into turmoil.
The ICC would have to take action and either try to impose penalties on Pakistan's international cricket or allow the tournament to go ahead without India. If the ICC does the former, it presents a golden opportunity to break the ICC and the Big Three's stranglehold on cricket. The Big Three can continue playing among themselves while a separate cricket organization could be formed to cater to nations such as Pakistan, West Indies, Bangladesh, and South Africa.
The ICC would then have to acquiesce at some point. A similar situation happened in the past with Packer World Cricket.
Likely because we have numerous Indian cricket fans who follow the PCT closely and comment on the affairs of the PCB regularly. If Pakistan was irrelevant then we wouldn’t be indulging in a discussion like this.It continues to amaze me as to how high an importance Pakistani fans give to Pak cricket in the cricketing world.
Thought u got a proper lesson from Big3 to Big3 dissolution to Big 1.
If that wasn't enough, the way PCB got abused in the asia cup issue and the way ICC dealt with subsequent WC boycott tantrums should have been enough.
Where is all this confidence coming from?
I think they are fine with this event in Pakistan. The only problem so far is with India. ICC needs to step in soon to clear the air about this issue.Which side do you think West Indies, Bangladesh and South Africa take? BCCI or PCB?
PCB suffering at the hands of slow moving files of South Block in Delhi . Even if BCCI request now, Govt. of India will not respond till the last moment and ICC has no leverage in that.I think they are fine with this event in Pakistan. The only problem so far is with India. ICC needs to step in soon to clear the air about this issue.
Pakistan cannot be preparing from 0 to 100 for this event and in the end if it got shifted then PCB will have to bear the losses which it cannot.
It is one thing to be 1 of 8 nations where the game has been played with great ethusiasm and its entirely different to think that you can dictate terms.Likely because we have numerous Indian cricket fans who follow the PCT closely and comment on the affairs of the PCB regularly. If Pakistan was irrelevant then we wouldn’t be indulging in a discussion like this.
All these revenue talks are due to greed.
I refuse to believe cricket can't be played if India do not participate. Do affiliate/associate nations not play cricket? There are no India in their tournaments.
Pakistan isn’t dictating terms, they have been awarded an ICC event. They are, rightfully so, trying to host an event per the requirements of a host country. There is however, one member that is relevant and dictates terms all the time, that is quite obvious to everyone.It is one thing to be 1 of 8 nations where the game has been played with great ethusiasm and its entirely different to think that you can dictate terms.
Relevancy does not equal ability to dictate terms. Thought that was obvious.
Oh yes they tried in the past and got clobberedPakistan isn’t dictating terms,
ICC can take that away. Just like 2011 world cupthey have been awarded an ICC event. They are, rightfully so, trying to host an event per the requirements of a host country.
Yes. for weird reason PCB and Pak fans seems to think they can dictate terms to that one member and has been on the receiving end since 2009. PCB/Pak fans don't seemed to have learned their lesson.There is however, one member that is relevant and dictates terms all the time, that is quite obvious to everyone.
For T20's, yes. Indian venues are great for ODI cricket though.I think the next T20 WC is also in India. Absolutely horrible conditions with dew playing the role of a massively impactful 12th man.
ICC events are expensive.All these revenue talks are due to greed.
I refuse to believe cricket can't be played if India do not participate. Do affiliate/associate nations not play cricket? There are no India in their tournaments.
May be little kids tactics in your eyes but BCCI has achieved what they wanted. They wanted to make sure PCB coffers remain empty for as long as possible and so far they have achieved their goal.For all the bitching Pakistan people here and in Pakistan do about us, if ever the our team goes to Pakistan, then will be given better that presidential security and treatment there. The fans would love it. But India aint going. This government will never let that happen. I am sure our players want to go, but would have been threatened to shut their mouths. If Pakistan and PCB have any modicum of honor they will not suck up to Indias demands and conduct the tournament without them. But again this will also not happen because PCB have no b**ls and will simp to ICC while ICC will simp to BCCI.
I dunno what are we really achieving with all these little kids tactics. Open up doors to trade and sports. Make the world a better place. And we stand to gain revenue and more importantly peace from this.
I agree with Salman Butt.
If India don't come, I say treat India's games as forfeited games. The 3 teams from India's group should get 2 points each. India can have a "group stage elimination with 3 losses" in their record.
Another option is to replace India with Sri Lanka (who finished 9th in ODI WC).
Moving CT out of Pakistan or even having a hybrid model would be disrespectful toward Pakistan.
This is comedy gold. It almost as if there is no knowledge of history of India Pakistan relations. amusing reallyFor all the bitching Pakistan people here and in Pakistan do about us, if ever the our team goes to Pakistan, then will be given better that presidential security and treatment there. The fans would love it. But India aint going. This government will never let that happen. I am sure our players want to go, but would have been threatened to shut their mouths. If Pakistan and PCB have any modicum of honor they will not suck up to Indias demands and conduct the tournament without them. But again this will also not happen because PCB have no b**ls and will simp to ICC while ICC will simp to BCCI.
I dunno what are we really achieving with all these little kids tactics. Open up doors to trade and sports. Make the world a better place. And we stand to gain revenue and more importantly peace from this.
If they won’t even come for a ICC competition then they should forfeit the tournament and be banned from international cricket, it’s beyond a joke now!
So why was PCB and other boards whining about the % share revenue even though in absolute terms they will be getting more in the latest ICC revenue distribution model?All these revenue talks are due to greed.
I refuse to believe cricket can't be played if India do not participate. Do affiliate/associate nations not play cricket? There are no India in their tournaments.
India not playing in Pakistan against Pakistan is also a huge loss in revenue for broadcasters. For Indian broadcasters to make money, the ICC would have to be pressured to give India a non-Pakistani venue. If the ICC does that, all the PCB has to do is refuse and call their bluff. World cricket would then be thrown into turmoil.
The ICC would have to take action and either try to impose penalties on Pakistan's international cricket or allow the tournament to go ahead without India. If the ICC does the former, it presents a golden opportunity to break the ICC and the Big Three's stranglehold on cricket. The Big Three can continue playing among themselves while a separate cricket organization could be formed to cater to nations such as Pakistan, West Indies, Bangladesh, and South Africa.
The ICC would then have to acquiesce at some point. A similar situation happened in the past with Packer World Cricket.
Pakistan isn’t dictating terms, they have been awarded an ICC event. They are, rightfully so, trying to host an event per the requirements of a host country. There is however, one member that is relevant and dictates terms all the time, that is quite obvious to everyone.
Don't think.so. 2023 WC final was affected by dew. Infact most of the world cup was an issue too. It would swing like crazy fir 10 overs and then dew would kick in when chasing. Only day games should be played to counter it. But then fog could be an issueFor T20's, yes. Indian venues are great for ODI cricket though.
Don't think.so. 2023 WC final was affected by dew. Infact most of the world cup was an issue too. It would swing like crazy fir 10 overs and then dew would kick in when chasing. Only day games should be played to counter it. But then fog could be an issue
I think true balance is when conditions are similar for both teams. If it swings for 10.and then dew.kicks in, where will the spinners fit in? Australia and probably SA are best.Yeah that was only in Ahmedabad and even then other matches at Ahmedabad were won by batting first.
They chose to play on a slowish pitch.
The fact that there is swing upfront and then dew later under lights makes it much more balanced at other venues as well
It's much more balanced than in most countries.
I think true balance is when conditions are similar for both teams. If it swings for 10.and then dew.kicks in, where will the spinners fit in? Australia and probably SA are best.
Will players be happy to draw same salary they used to get in 70s these days?How was England hosting Odi World Cups once upon a time from 75-83 ? Was India funding all the travel expenses and match arrangement costs for teams including Champions WI ?
Were Pakistan WI series in the 80s funded by BCCI or the Indian market ? Lol.
Were Ashes series not happening in the 70s and 80s and earning some money ? I refuse to believe Cricket will come to a standstill without BCCI, many more obscure Sports in the World are surviving which don't have even have a fraction of Crickets popularity minus India..
Besides, BCCI only makes money because there is an opposition which plays against India. The foreign players are the ones who make IPL a spectacle.
If International teams won't play BCCI then how will BCCI make money through tours ? Will India organize matches between India A , India B and India C ?
IPL without foreign players will be a boring domestic T20 tournament that nobody matches..
All this looks OK except the part where smaller boards siding with Pakistan. Why on earth should they do that and say goodbye to all those money's that sustain their cricket- they have everything to lose and nothing to gain by siding with Pak.India not playing in Pakistan against Pakistan is also a huge loss in revenue for broadcasters. For Indian broadcasters to make money, the ICC would have to be pressured to give India a non-Pakistani venue. If the ICC does that, all the PCB has to do is refuse and call their bluff. World cricket would then be thrown into turmoil.
The ICC would have to take action and either try to impose penalties on Pakistan's international cricket or allow the tournament to go ahead without India. If the ICC does the former, it presents a golden opportunity to break the ICC and the Big Three's stranglehold on cricket. The Big Three can continue playing among themselves while a separate cricket organization could be formed to cater to nations such as Pakistan, West Indies, Bangladesh, and South Africa.
The ICC would then have to acquiesce at some point. A similar situation happened in the past with Packer World Cricket.
A lot of Indians watch other nations cricket. Afg especially is a fan favorite. Amul gets the visibility at a fraction of cost of sponsoring a team like India.Amul was sponsoring 3 teams, and none was India.. atleast in Usa Amul made an entry now why was it sponsoring Afghans and SA?
because Pakistan is everyone's brother except India.And why will WI BD SA support Pakistan?
Yes but you aren't a business you are a fan of the sport.It's all idealistic to.talk about love and passion but at the end it's a business. Viability is key for any business. Losing money isn't sustainable
Yes that's fair comment.But the ICC and boards are the ones with this attitude. They are the ones that matter. They want the easy money, period. Selfishness, greed and corruption being the reasons.
The ire and dissatisfaction of the fans should be directed towards the ICC and their own boards.
Icc very very desperate to get pakistan and India through lol, that's why the difficult group is group B with Afghanistan being the scapegoat.Report - THE LIKELY GROUPS FOR CHAMPIONS TROPHY 2025
Group A - India, Pakistan, New Zealand, Bangladesh.
Group B - Australia, South Africa, England, Afghanistan.
Icc very very desperate to get pakistan and India through lol, that's why the difficult group is group B with Afghanistan being the scapegoat.
But knowing pakistan I have a feeling they'll mess this up too.
Nah , both groups are more or less same .Icc very very desperate to get pakistan and India through lol, that's why the difficult group is group B with Afghanistan being the scapegoat.
But knowing pakistan I have a feeling they'll mess this up too.
Ik I'm aware, but SA and Afghanistan in one group is far more deadly then NZ and Bangladesh in one groupNah , both groups are more or less same .
ICC want two blockbuster games in every ICC tournament - India vs Pakistan and Australia vs England .
Have you heard of the word schadenfreude ? Most of us come here to troll.Likely because we have numerous Indian cricket fans who follow the PCT closely and comment on the affairs of the PCB regularly. If Pakistan was irrelevant then we wouldn’t be indulging in a discussion like this.
It impacts the production and marketing. It impacts the kind of players that play the sport. It impacts the investments in grass root cricket. And in every sport, money has a direct influence on the quality of players in a team.Yes but you aren't a business you are a fan of the sport.
Does the lack of sponsorship or money impact your own viewership?
The pitch remains true for both teams for the most part. That's the balance I'm seeking. If SCG suits batsmen and spinners, that's the case for both teams. In India, dew plays havoc in every tournament. Be it 2016 T20 WC or 2023 WC.There is no true balance like that. Australian venues are very biased too. SCG for example is a heavily bat first oriented pitch.
You got to have a balanced attack. For example, Wankhede gets heavy dew but a good new ball attack can reduce teams to down in the 2nd PP and then even 300 can't be chased..
These are long-term effects. One champion's trophy without India ( due to India's own reluctance to play) won't kill the game or affect grass-roots cricket at all.It impacts the production and marketing. It impacts the kind of players that play the sport. It impacts the investments in grass root cricket. And in every sport, money has a direct influence on the quality of players in a team.
I thought groups were already decided:
1. AUS, Eng, Ban, Afg
2. Ind, Pak, RSA, NZ
The pitch remains true for both teams for the most part. That's the balance I'm seeking. If SCG suits batsmen and spinners, that's the case for both teams. In India, dew plays havoc in every tournament. Be it 2016 T20 WC or 2023 WC.
How is the dew factor in Lahore during that time?
Thanks for answering the question, you are so kindIndia won't have to worry about that.
Anyone who thinks Modi is letting India travel to Pakistan is deluded.
How is the dew factor in Lahore during that time?
Source?
I believe it hasn't been officially declared yet.
Are they dictating terms now or are you talking about the past? As far as I am aware the ICC hasn’t taken away Pakistan’s hosting rights for the 2024 Champions Trophy. Asking a team to physically play in the country hosting an ICC tournament isn’t dictating terms. It’s the other way around.Oh yes they tried in the past and got clobbered
ICC can take that away. Just like 2011 world cup
Yes. for weird reason PCB and Pak fans seems to think they can dictate terms to that one member and has been on the receiving end since 2009. PCB/Pak fans don't seemed to have learned their lesson.
Oh yes they tried in the past and got clobbered
ICC can take that away. Just like 2011 world cup
Yes. for weird reason PCB and Pak fans seems to think they can dictate terms to that one member and has been on the receiving end since 2009. PCB/Pak fans don't seemed to have learned their lesson.
Pakistan will host the ICC event from February 19 to March 9. Lahore is set to host ICC Champions Trophy showdown clash between India and Pakistan
Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma are set to headline India's blockbuster meeting with Pakistan in the 2025 edition of the ICC Champions Trophy. The batting icons bid farewell to the T20I format after guiding India to World Cup glory in the 2024 edition of the ICC event. Though Kohli and Rohit have announced their T20I retirements, the batting stalwarts will continue to feature in the traditional formats of the game. Kohli and Rohit can make their white-ball comebacks for an ICC tournament at the 2025 Champions Trophy hosted by Pakistan.
According to the latest developments, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has furnished their draft for the ICC Champions Trophy. Slotting the high-voltage clash between India and Pakistan in the first week of March, the PCB has given hosting rights to Lahore.
PCB seeks BCCI's stamp of approval
Pakistan will host the ICC event from February 19 to March 9. March 10 is taken as a reserve day for the final of the ICC event. According to a report filed by news agency PTI, a senior ICC board member revealed that the PCB is yet to receive the approval of the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) for its tentative schedule.
PCB submits Champions Trophy draft: India and Pakistan in Group A
"The PCB has submitted the draft of the 15-match ICC Champions Trophy. Seven games in Lahore, three in Karachi and five in Rawalpindi," an ICC board member said. As per the Champions Trophy draft, India are joined by Pakistan, Bangladesh and New Zealand in Group A. Australia, South Africa, England and Afghanistan are in Group B of the Champions Trophy.
"The opening match will be held in Karachi with two semifinals in Karachi and Rawalpindi, final in Lahore. All India matches (including semifinal, if the team qualifies) in Lahore," the source added. Pakistan last hosted a major tournament in 2023 - the Asia Cup. The tournament was conducted in a 'Hybrid Model' as India played its Asia Cup games in Sri Lanka. "All board chiefs of the ICC Champions Trophy participating countries (minus BCCI) have assured him of their complete support but BCCI will consult its government and update the ICC," the source added.
Source: The Hindustan Times
Currently BCCI is least worried about PCB or CT.So, BCCI have not agreed to this just yet.....
Currently BCCI is least worried about PCB or CT.
Right now they are waiting for the team to arrive. Then there is a meeting with the PM.
Then team flies to Mumbai where there is a open bus parade.
Then BCCI has to appoint a new coach and support staff.
The GOI will also take its time to give a decision.
They may not want to disrupt a ICC event.
But if they give early permission and there is any unsavory incident the government will look like a fool.
What do you want? Do you want to see Indian players play in Pakistan? I'm asking for your wish as an Indian fan not as a political analyst.Currently BCCI is least worried about PCB or CT.
Right now they are waiting for the team to arrive. Then there is a meeting with the PM.
Then team flies to Mumbai where there is a open bus parade.
Then BCCI has to appoint a new coach and support staff.
The GOI will also take its time to give a decision.
They may not want to disrupt a ICC event.
But if they give early permission and there is any unsavory incident the government will look like a fool.
Very good chance, India might not send the team. It is still a long time away, easy to blame safety issues. With a coalition government, Modi cannot afford to risk Indian team and there is no risk in not sending the team(if anything it will elevate his profile, because non-trivial number of Indians do not support playing CT). England/Australia refused to travel to SL in 96(but that was shared hosting). IMO this will be a hybrid tournament with Indian games being shifted to SL. FWIW, I do not think ICT should play CT in Pakistan, even if it means giving up points.Currently BCCI is least worried about PCB or CT.
Right now they are waiting for the team to arrive. Then there is a meeting with the PM.
Then team flies to Mumbai where there is a open bus parade.
Then BCCI has to appoint a new coach and support staff.
The GOI will also take its time to give a decision.
They may not want to disrupt a ICC event.
But if they give early permission and there is any unsavory incident the government will look like a fool.
What do you think is the likely outcome? Will it be wholly held in Pakistan or is a hybrid model more likely?
Are they dictating terms now or are you talking about the past? As far as I am aware the ICC hasn’t taken away Pakistan’s hosting rights for the 2024 Champions Trophy. Asking a team to physically play in the country hosting an ICC tournament isn’t dictating terms. It’s the other way around.
There is an easy decision in front of ICC. They just set a deadline for BCCI to confirm their participation. If BCCI refuses or does not respond, ICC moves on, replaces India with SL and away we go with CT.2011 was different. Pakistan had actual security issues. There is no security issue in Pakistan in year 2024.
All teams are willing to come to Pakistan now. Even England and Australia had full tours.
How come India and Pakistan can play other sports but not cricket specifically?There is an easy decision in front of ICC. They just set a deadline for BCCI to confirm their participation. If BCCI refuses or does not respond, ICC moves on, replaces India with SL and away we go with CT.
Having said that, I think India will participate. Perhaps a delayed confirmation of that. But the will. I may be wrong.
fear of losing the game i guess lolHow come India and Pakistan can play other sports but not cricket specifically?
It is their prerogative. Why all this focus on India? Do they have to play? As I said, move on and replace with SL. CT is not going to stop.How come India and Pakistan can play other sports but not cricket specifically?
I reworded your question slightly. This question needs to be answered by the Indian government.How come India can play Pakistan in other sports but not cricket specifically?
The India govt. is the only entity that can answer this. But they don't need to answer.I reworded your question slightly. This question needs to be answered by the Indian government.
Awww. Sarfaraz Ahmed was also said same think after champion trophy 2017.fear of losing the game i guess lol
yeah that is the reason why Indian Team is just avoiding to play the game and pakistan wants to face them anywhere in the world!Awww. Sarfaraz Ahmed was also said same think after champion trophy 2017.
After than he was humiliated by indian team when they were won two games in Asia cup 2018 and another one in 2019 world cup.
Come and humiliate the Pakistan team in Lahore. The invitation is there.Awww. Sarfaraz Ahmed was also said same think after champion trophy 2017.
After than he was humiliated by indian team when they were won two games in Asia cup 2018 and another one in 2019 world cup.
None of us are fools. PCB wants to play Team India for $$$$$$$yeah that is the reason why Indian Team is just avoiding to play the game and pakistan wants to face them anywhere in the world!
and team India is playing cricket for Channay Bhaturay? Obviously money is involved in every sport!None of us are fools. PCB wants to play Team India for $$$$$$$
India is willing to host Pakistan for a series. It's been on the table for years. However BCCI also.said there are no guarantees for a return series in Pakistan. So its not fear of failure. I mean no one would believe it these days. According to GOI, it's fear of death. The real reason is ofcourse GOI doesn't want Pak to make money.yeah that is the reason why Indian Team is just avoiding to play the game and pakistan wants to face them anywhere in the world!
They tried as recently as last year proposing hybrid model for WC23 as a ***-for-tat for Asia cup. they were shown their aukatAre they dictating terms now or are you talking about the past?
Not yetAs far as I am aware the ICC hasn’t taken away Pakistan’s hosting rights for the 2024 Champions Trophy.
feel to replace India with another team as India was prepared to do with pakistan for the WCAsking a team to physically play in the country hosting an ICC tournament isn’t dictating terms. It’s the other way around.
Zaka Ashraf called. he wants his line from 2011 back.fear of losing the game i guess lol
Hopefully we will come and humiliated pakistan at Lahore infornt of home crowds on 1 March 2025 .Come and humiliate the Pakistan team in Lahore. The invitation is there.