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The idea of India playing all their matches in Lahore sounds like something that could potentially happen. Logistically it makes sense and would take care of alot of the security related issues. I think the Indian players will like Lahore if they are allowed to move around a little bit. It is quite similar to Delhi in alot of ways. Only better 😏
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
The idea of India playing all their matches in Lahore sounds like something that could potentially happen. Logistically it makes sense and would take care of alot of the security related issues. I think the Indian players will like Lahore if they are allowed to move around a little bit. It is quite similar to Delhi in alot of ways. Only better 😏
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It's not happening.
Not during my lifetime :-(
 
If sharma & kohli will be retired by then tell Indians to stay home.. Ind Pak rivalry died ages ago no one will want to invest in rinku Singh vs saim Ayub!
 
DeadlyVenom said:
They were given hosting rights by ICC.

If Pakistan is deemed safe and secure then it's not the issue of the hosts whether India attend or not. That will be between the ICC and India.
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Then ICC can take away the tournament if its financially unviable?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Then ICC can take away the tournament if its financially unviable?
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If any board has to provide compensation, it will have to be the Indian board who under the instruction of their fascist government is unwilling to tour a country which is considered safe by all the other participating Nations.

If only India has a problem, then India shall pay for whatever losses that are incurred while hosting the tournament in Pakistan.

Tournament will have to be hosted in Pakistan at any cost, it's the usual procedure by ICC to allot Global events to different parts of the World. Pakistan's right to host the tournament cannot be taken away due to some Fanatic currently ruling in India and his vote bank Politics .
 
boomboomcheema said:
If any board has to provide compensation, it will have to be the Indian board who under the instruction of their fascist government is unwilling to tour a country which is considered safe by all the other participating Nations.

If only India has a problem, then India shall pay for whatever losses that are incurred while hosting the tournament in Pakistan.

Tournament will have to be hosted in Pakistan at any cost, it's the usual procedure by ICC to allot Global events to different parts of the World. Pakistan's right to host the tournament cannot be taken away due to some Fanatic currently ruling in India and his vote bank Politics .
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No, if India has a problem, they just get replaced with another team. Simple as that. Why would India pay anything? They don't want to participate, well and good. Their right to. ICC moves on. Brings in another team as replacement.
 
boomboomcheema said:
If any board has to provide compensation, it will have to be the Indian board who under the instruction of their fascist government is unwilling to tour a country which is considered safe by all the other participating Nations.

If only India has a problem, then India shall pay for whatever losses that are incurred while hosting the tournament in Pakistan.

Tournament will have to be hosted in Pakistan at any cost, it's the usual procedure by ICC to allot Global events to different parts of the World. Pakistan's right to host the tournament cannot be taken away due to some Fanatic currently ruling in India and his vote bank Politics .
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Tournament will be taken away and no money will be given..
 
U$ofA said:
No, if India has a problem, they just get replaced with another team. Simple as that. Why would India pay anything? They don't want to participate, well and good. Their right to. ICC moves on. Brings in another team as replacement.
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That should be the rule but we know, that is not going to happen. ICC and BCCI are on one page so we know what is going to happen in the end.
 
BouncerGuy said:
That should be the rule but we know, that is not going to happen. ICC and BCCI are on one page so we know what is going to happen in the end.
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In that case, the problem is with the ICC. Everyone's beef should be with the ICC. Not the BCCI. ICC should be the ones the needs to be asked questions.
 
U$ofA said:
In that case, the problem is with the ICC. Everyone's beef should be with the ICC. Not the BCCI. ICC should be the ones the needs to be asked questions.
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LOL. DO you think ICC will take any action against BCCI????

No jokes
 
BouncerGuy said:
Yes ICC has the issues. They are biased.
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They don't have any option. Others boards specially PCB talk big but not generated revenues .

They have 2nd largest cricketing market but they doesn't generate enough revenue for icc like India .

So PCB should know the limitations before talking Big .
 
Devadwal said:
They don't have any option. Others boards specially PCB talk big but not generated revenues .

They have 2nd largest cricketing market but they doesn't generate enough revenue for icc like India .

So PCB should know the limitations before talking Big .
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ICC should have thought about this before making Pakistan the host for the Champions Trophy 2025.

That is not an excuse now that India does not want to come so we are shifting the tournament. That's your problem, not Pakistan's.
 
Lahore is a horrible place for D/N ODI cricket.

It's a wicket on which anything can be chased thanks to dew at night. BCCI must insist on NSK, Karachi which varies somewhat.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Lahore is a horrible place for D/N ODI cricket.

It's a wicket on which anything can be chased thanks to dew at night. BCCI must insist on NSK, Karachi which varies somewhat.
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I remember 2006 ind vs pak series.match started around at 11.30 am in day and night .In second innings ball used to swing crazy for first 15 overs.In 4th match at Lahore, umar gul bowled brilliantly ,Sachin survived and scored good later to win the match.
 
Pak army is starting another security operation so expect security situation to get worse. I don’t foresee Champions Trophy taking place in Pakistan.
 
BouncerGuy said:
ICC should have thought about this before making Pakistan the host for the Champions Trophy 2025.

That is not an excuse now that India does not want to come so we are shifting the tournament. That's your problem, not Pakistan's.
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ICC - Think......Oil - Water.
 
boomboomcheema said:
If any board has to provide compensation, it will have to be the Indian board who under the instruction of their fascist government is unwilling to tour a country which is considered safe by all the other participating Nations.

If only India has a problem, then India shall pay for whatever losses that are incurred while hosting the tournament in Pakistan.

Tournament will have to be hosted in Pakistan at any cost, it's the usual procedure by ICC to allot Global events to different parts of the World. Pakistan's right to host the tournament cannot be taken away due to some Fanatic currently ruling in India and his vote bank Politics .
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You can keep shouting fascist fascist it will not make even an iota of difference.

BCCI will not give a dime to ICC or any board. It's not India's responsibility to put food on ICC's plate.

If India doesn't travel its within its rights to not do so. It's ICC's responsibility to organise the tournament and make it financially viable.

It's ICC's problem what they do if the tournament is financially unviable.
 
Gut feeling is that india will travel (will be decided at the last moment), they will play all matches in Lahore. Hope kohli and rohit dont retire by then.
 
Wasim Akram on India's involvement in CT 2025:

"I hope that India comes to Pakistan for the Champions Trophy. The whole country is looking forward to receiving all the teams. The cricket will be great and we will welcome them in splendid fashion. We have great facilities and are working on new stadiums. The (Pakistan Cricket Board) chairman has started work on the new stadiums in Lahore, Karachi, and Islamabad so I believe it will be a great tournament and Pakistan needs that tournament for the betterment of cricket and I hope all countries do come because cricket and politics should always be separate,”

"Overall everything is ready. The whole country is looking forward to receiving all the teams and dignitaries and the press as well and I hope you guys come to see what wonderful arrangements we have in Pakistan,”
 
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I think India will come. Work is underway to get the stadiums ready, PCB is saying the tournament is going ahead. What discussions are taking place behind the scenes is anyone’s guess but staging India in Lahore is logistically possible. I am going to Pakistan for sure if this happens.
 
India should go, Pakistan is extending an Olive branch here and can bring negotiations to the table. They are going to arm twist Pakistan on this for sure.
 
If this was a decision only for the BCCI then they would obviously find a way of going. However, the decision maker is going to be the Indian government in this case which is driven by many more considerations than a sport and has a hard line and has no incentive to change anything. Unless something is fundamentally different in the relations between the 2 countries in 2025 ( not the cricket boards), it is hard to see things changing. I don't see the Indian team getting the go ahead and Pakistan should insist on hosting it in Pakistan and just play the tournament without India. That would be a better option than the hybrid approaches tried before.
 
Hope it never happens. Pakistan needs to shut the door and keep it closed wrt India. Self respect should come first, always. looking at the setup and the power and how it is obtained here, Self respect is as alien a word as eskimo is to the incumbent institutions and power hungry wolves who reside in seats of power.
Pakistan is not Pakistan anymore, stop fooling yourselves brothers.
 
'ICC's duty to ensure that all teams visit Pakistan': Former Pakistan skipper Salman Butt

"We try sensationalizing everything. There have been a few reports suggesting that Jay Shah has given a positive signal. However, I don't think he's given any signals. I wouldn't have been excited even if there had been a signal from him because it is the ICC's duty to ensure that all teams visit Pakistan,"

"If they come, then they welcome, if they don't, the ICC has to deal with it. We will find out if they can just deal with all the other countries or can do the same with India as well. It will show how much authority they have as a regulator and how neutral they can be,"
 
The Bald Eagle said:
'ICC's duty to ensure that all teams visit Pakistan': Former Pakistan skipper Salman Butt

"We try sensationalizing everything. There have been a few reports suggesting that Jay Shah has given a positive signal. However, I don't think he's given any signals. I wouldn't have been excited even if there had been a signal from him because it is the ICC's duty to ensure that all teams visit Pakistan,"

"If they come, then they welcome, if they don't, the ICC has to deal with it. We will find out if they can just deal with all the other countries or can do the same with India as well. It will show how much authority they have as a regulator and how neutral they can be,"
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I agree with Salman Butt.

If India don't come, I say treat India's games as forfeited games. The 3 teams from India's group should get 2 points each. India can have a "group stage elimination with 3 losses" in their record.

Another option is to replace India with Sri Lanka (who finished 9th in ODI WC).

Moving CT out of Pakistan or even having a hybrid model would be disrespectful toward Pakistan.
 
sweep_shot said:
I agree with Salman Butt.

If India don't come, I say treat India's games as forfeited games. The 3 teams from India's group should get 2 points each. India can have a "group stage elimination with 3 losses" in their record.

Another option is to replace India with Sri Lanka (who finished 9th in ODI WC).

Moving CT out of Pakistan or even having a hybrid model would be disrespectful toward Pakistan.
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And you will pay the all revenue lost due to India . right :kp
 
Devadwal said:
And you will pay the all revenue lost due to India . right :kp
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All these revenue talks are due to greed.

I refuse to believe cricket can't be played if India do not participate. Do affiliate/associate nations not play cricket? There are no India in their tournaments.
 
sweep_shot said:
All these revenue talks are due to greed.

I refuse to believe cricket can't be played if India do not participate. Do affiliate/associate nations not play cricket? There are no India in their tournaments.
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I hope you are being sarcastic.

You realize that associate and affiliate cricket generate zero revenue and almost completely funded by ICC who in turn is funded by BCCI ?
 
Sir Alex said:
I hope you are being sarcastic.

You realize that associate and affiliate cricket generate zero revenue and almost completely funded by ICC who in turn is funded by BCCI ?
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I refuse to believe 11 Test nations can't have a global tournament without India. Many of these nations are rich first world nations (Australia, England etc.).

ICC needs to diversify and not rely on one country for revenue. ICC shouldn't be greedy.
 
If India are financing the bulk of the ICC’s revenues then they still have an obligation to fulfill their duties as an ICC member. Otherwise, they are playing by a different set of rules and the response of “we can do whatever we want because we fund the ICC” is absurd. Put your politics aside, whatever they may be, and travel to Pakistan for the Champions trophy. I don’t care if you fly in and out from Amritsar via helicopter, or your fans make fun of Pakistani stadiums and people, just play the damn tournament.
 
This has been discussed endlessly for the past one and a half decade and this is my stance on the matter.

* Pakistan deserves the right to host global tournaments just like every major member nation and if the governing body gives due security clearances then there should be no hurdle for PCB in hosting such tournaments.

* Indian government’s decision to not send the cricket team to Pakistan is sentimental and political and must be respected. But the only injustice i see in this situation is that while India is usually able to negotiate shifting of its matches to neutral venues, the same doesn’t happen for Pakistan. Pakistan are forced to visit India to participate in ICC tournaments and they’re not given the same option to play their matches at neutral venues. Please correct me if I am wrong here. This is not correct. Both nations and their respective boards might have different politicoeconomic clout but Pakistan being full member nation and a former world champion must get this much.

* Forefeiting tournaments is not an option for either nation as both their fans are cricket crazy and aspire for championships. It’s necessary for their sense of pride.
 
sweep_shot said:
I refuse to believe 11 Test nations can't have a global tournament without India. Many of these nations are rich first world nations (Australia, England etc.).

ICC needs to diversify and not rely on one country for revenue. ICC shouldn't be greedy.
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You can believe in space aliens for all those you want. I don't care.

But beliefs don't make things factual.

World cricket depends on BCCI to fund it effectively. Without India participating, there will be a huge domino effect starting with Broadcasters refusing to pay all the way down to associates being starved off funds. Even full member nations like Pakistan and WI will feel the heat.

Former PCB Chief Rameez Raja (while he was presiding over PCB at the time) made it crystal clear that 90% of ICC funding comes as a result of Indian market and without it PCB would collapse.
 
Winning or losing Is another aspect bht hopefully the arrangement by PCB are top notch for the mega event, because PCB has a reputation for blunders like marriage Hall chairs in Rawalpindi Stadium
 
Bhaijaan said:
This has been discussed endlessly for the past one and a half decade and this is my stance on the matter.

* Pakistan deserves the right to host global tournaments just like every major member nation and if the governing body gives due security clearances then there should be no hurdle for PCB in hosting such tournaments.

* Indian government’s decision to not send the cricket team to Pakistan is sentimental and political and must be respected. But the only injustice i see in this situation is that while India is usually able to negotiate shifting of its matches to neutral venues, the same doesn’t happen for Pakistan. Pakistan are forced to visit India to participate in ICC tournaments and they’re not given the same option to play their matches at neutral venues. Please correct me if I am wrong here. This is not correct. Both nations and their respective boards might have different politicoeconomic clout but Pakistan being full member nation and a former world champion must get this much.

* Forefeiting tournaments is not an option for either nation as both their fans are cricket crazy and aspire for championships. It’s necessary for their sense of pride.
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Well said.

PCB simply lack the clout and don't have administrators who can well, administer, and are defeatist minded. They make some noises initially but once the tournament nears meekly accepts Indian position and tour India.

Let them challenge the status quo and refuse to tour India like India refuses to tour Pakistan. If they dont get to play the ICC tournament so be it. At least a statement has been made. Moreover Broadcasters won't be happy as Indo Pak matches are cornerstone of any ICC event
 
Pakistan should have long ago stopped going to India for ICC/Asia cup tournaments. However I think Pakistan can't say no to $$$.

As long as BJP is in Power they will keep humiliating Pakistan. Either Champions Trophy is played in Pakistan or Pakistan do not participate in any alternatives.

I hope Pakistan stand firm this time.
 
India can come play its match and fly back to india after match. Its that easy. Flight from india to lahore ll be as much as lahore to karachi. Pcb compensate them with chartered flights and accomodation there. If they raise the question of security. Else its icc's job to make sure politics arent involved in decisions.
 
sweep_shot said:
I refuse to believe 11 Test nations can't have a global tournament without India. Many of these nations are rich first world nations (Australia, England etc.).

ICC needs to diversify and not rely on one country for revenue. ICC shouldn't be greedy.
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Agree completely. But will the ICC do it?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Lahore is a horrible place for D/N ODI cricket.

It's a wicket on which anything can be chased thanks to dew at night. BCCI must insist on NSK, Karachi which varies somewhat.
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I think the next T20 WC is also in India. Absolutely horrible conditions with dew playing the role of a massively impactful 12th man.
 
How was England hosting Odi World Cups once upon a time from 75-83 ? Was India funding all the travel expenses and match arrangement costs for teams including Champions WI ?

Were Pakistan WI series in the 80s funded by BCCI or the Indian market ? Lol.

Were Ashes series not happening in the 70s and 80s and earning some money ? I refuse to believe Cricket will come to a standstill without BCCI, many more obscure Sports in the World are surviving which don't have even have a fraction of Crickets popularity minus India..

Besides, BCCI only makes money because there is an opposition which plays against India. The foreign players are the ones who make IPL a spectacle.

If International teams won't play BCCI then how will BCCI make money through tours ? Will India organize matches between India A , India B and India C ?

IPL without foreign players will be a boring domestic T20 tournament that nobody matches..
 
sweep_shot said:
I refuse to believe 11 Test nations can't have a global tournament without India. Many of these nations are rich first world nations (Australia, England etc.).

ICC needs to diversify and not rely on one country for revenue. ICC shouldn't be greedy.
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Most sponsors are Indian companies. If there are foreign sponsors, it's possible. But it would be a flop tournament with not much money made.
 
rhony said:
Most sponsors are Indian companies. If there are foreign sponsors, it's possible. But it would be a flop tournament with not much money made.
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I understand this attitude from sponsors and corporates but I find it funny how Indian fans judge a tournament as flop or not based on the money it can make.

Are they fans of the sport or fans of the sponsor deals?
 
boomboomcheema said:
How was England hosting Odi World Cups once upon a time from 75-83 ? Was India funding all the travel expenses and match arrangement costs for teams including Champions WI ?

Were Pakistan WI series in the 80s funded by BCCI or the Indian market ? Lol.

Were Ashes series not happening in the 70s and 80s and earning some money ? I refuse to believe Cricket will come to a standstill without BCCI, many more obscure Sports in the World are surviving which don't have even have a fraction of Crickets popularity minus India..

Besides, BCCI only makes money because there is an opposition which plays against India. The foreign players are the ones who make IPL a spectacle.

If International teams won't play BCCI then how will BCCI make money through tours ? Will India organize matches between India A , India B and India C ?

IPL without foreign players will be a boring domestic T20 tournament that nobody matches..
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Things have changed since the 70's and 80's. In a big way. The issue is not that matches cannot be organized. Or cricket will die. Economics has changed.

The current situation is that the ICC and the rest of the boards are stone drunk with BCCI money. They have enjoyed the BCCI $$$$ without doing any work. There is no way anyone is going to refuse all this money and going back to working to make money.

The ICC and boards will/are choosing the easy way out. They simple refuse accept less revenues. Also, unwilling to put in the hard work to generate their own revenue and gain self sufficiency.

So, they will continue to fall in line with the BCCI so their own apple carts are not shaken.
 
boomboomcheema said:
How was England hosting Odi World Cups once upon a time from 75-83 ? Was India funding all the travel expenses and match arrangement costs for teams including Champions WI ?

Were Pakistan WI series in the 80s funded by BCCI or the Indian market ? Lol.

Were Ashes series not happening in the 70s and 80s and earning some money ? I refuse to believe Cricket will come to a standstill without BCCI, many more obscure Sports in the World are surviving which don't have even have a fraction of Crickets popularity minus India..

Besides, BCCI only makes money because there is an opposition which plays against India. The foreign players are the ones who make IPL a spectacle.

If International teams won't play BCCI then how will BCCI make money through tours ? Will India organize matches between India A , India B and India C ?

IPL without foreign players will be a boring domestic T20 tournament that nobody matches..
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Television rights went for peanuts in 70s and 80s. The explosion in tv viewership coincided with rise in Indian economy and middle class. Most sponsors are Indian companies even now and their target audience is an Indian fan. Foreign players were important in the beginning until fan loyalty was established. Even now it's important but that doesn't mean Indian fans don't watch IPL. I'd say foreign players will leave their own national teams to play in IPL if there is resistance from foreign boards. Also, the foreign boards actually make money if their players play in IPL. They also get favorable schedules for home series. At this stage cricket will die without Indian money.
 
If they won’t even come for a ICC competition then they should forfeit the tournament and be banned from international cricket, it’s beyond a joke now!
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I understand this attitude from sponsors and corporates but I find it funny how Indian fans judge a tournament as flop or not based on the money it can make.

Are they fans of the sport or fans of the sponsor deals?
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It's all idealistic to.talk about love and passion but at the end it's a business. Viability is key for any business. Losing money isn't sustainable
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I understand this attitude from sponsors and corporates but I find it funny how Indian fans judge a tournament as flop or not based on the money it can make.

Are they fans of the sport or fans of the sponsor deals?
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But the ICC and boards are the ones with this attitude. They are the ones that matter. They want the easy money, period. Selfishness, greed and corruption being the reasons.

The ire and dissatisfaction of the fans should be directed towards the ICC and their own boards.
 
rhony said:
Television rights went for peanuts in 70s and 80s. The explosion in tv viewership coincided with rise in Indian economy and middle class. Most sponsors are Indian companies even now and their target audience is an Indian fan. Foreign players were important in the beginning until fan loyalty was established. Even now it's important but that doesn't mean Indian fans don't watch IPL. I'd say foreign players will leave their own national teams to play in IPL if there is resistance from foreign boards. Also, the foreign boards actually make money if their players play in IPL. They also get favorable schedules for home series. At this stage cricket will die without Indian money.
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Exactly. Real world. Reality.
 
boomboomcheema said:
How was England hosting Odi World Cups once upon a time from 75-83 ? Was India funding all the travel expenses and match arrangement costs for teams including Champions WI ?

Were Pakistan WI series in the 80s funded by BCCI or the Indian market ? Lol.

Were Ashes series not happening in the 70s and 80s and earning some money ? I refuse to believe Cricket will come to a standstill without BCCI, many more obscure Sports in the World are surviving which don't have even have a fraction of Crickets popularity minus India..

Besides, BCCI only makes money because there is an opposition which plays against India. The foreign players are the ones who make IPL a spectacle.

If International teams won't play BCCI then how will BCCI make money through tours ? Will India organize matches between India A , India B and India C ?

IPL without foreign players will be a boring domestic T20 tournament that nobody matches..
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ICC didn’t make any money(no additional funds) as such until Dalmiya hosted the 1998 CT in Dhaka.

You can read about it, players were not paid much everyone had jobs blah blah.
 
Amul was sponsoring 3 teams, and none was India.. atleast in Usa Amul made an entry now why was it sponsoring Afghans and SA?
 
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