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msb314 said:
Actually PCB did have a choice.. but chose to tour India for the WC because of our longstanding policy of not mingling sports with politics. That is the official stance of GOP as of 2024.

Yes I know the 2025 CT had something to do with it but officially Pakistan will tour any and all nations unless there is a genuine security risk..
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Pakistan boycotted Olympics.

Pakistan pulled out of the Asia Cup in India 1990.

Pakistan pulled out of the India tour in 1991-92.

Pakistan pulled out of Hero Cup in India 1993.

Since then BCCI has become a money magnet. The financial behemoth of world cricket. Pakistan knows it can do little against India in the ICC. Infact Pakistan will lose millions of dollars if they pull out of a ICC event.

50 per cent of PCB budget is based on their ICC revenue share.

As per former PCB chairman Rameez Raja, Indians could literally collapse PCB.
 
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Hellion said:
Good that BCCI is doing this early. Give plenty of time to PCB to draft new schedule .
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I fail to understand, how ICC will force PCB for hybrid model and if PCB refuse this hybrid model thing, what will ICC do. Will they organize CT without Pakistan? I doubt it.
 
cricketjoshila said:
BCCI will push for Hybrid model at CT 2025 says Press Trust of India.
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No hybrid model. The entire tournament should be conducted outside of Pakistan to teach the establishment a lesson for the treatment they have meted out to the former World Cup winning captain Imran Khan.
 
Sunny_majoka said:
I fail to understand, how ICC will force PCB for hybrid model and if PCB refuse this hybrid model thing, what will ICC do. Will they organize CT without Pakistan? I doubt it.
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PCB won't refuse if ICC accept demand for hybrid model.

10 out of 15 matches will still be in Pakistan.
 
Sunny_majoka said:
I fail to understand, how ICC will force PCB for hybrid model and if PCB refuse this hybrid model thing, what will ICC do. Will they organize CT without Pakistan? I doubt it.
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I think the right thing for PCB to do is to refuse hybrid model. If 6 other teams are okay to come to Pakistan, there is no need for a hybrid model just to satisfy one team (India).

If CT ends up with a hybrid model, we can safely say ICC stands for Indian Cricket Council.
 
sweep_shot said:
I think the right thing for PCB to do is to refuse hybrid model. If 6 other teams are okay to come to Pakistan, there is no need for a hybrid model just to satisfy one team (India).

If CT ends up with a hybrid model, we can safely say ICC stands for Indian Cricket Council.
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For you one good news - Jay Shah is certain to be elected unopposed as the new ICC Chairman if he wishes to contest for the post :kp
 
sweep_shot said:
I think the right thing for PCB to do is to refuse hybrid model. If 6 other teams are okay to come to Pakistan, there is no need for a hybrid model just to satisfy one team (India).

If CT ends up with a hybrid model, we can safely say ICC stands for Indian Cricket Council.
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Even if other 6 countries accepts hybrid model, you can still say Indian Cricket Council.
 
sweep_shot said:
I think the right thing for PCB to do is to refuse hybrid model. If 6 other teams are okay to come to Pakistan, there is no need for a hybrid model just to satisfy one team (India).

If CT ends up with a hybrid model, we can safely say ICC stands for Indian Cricket Council.
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PCB should simply forfeit it's right to host, instead of setting a bad precedent of giving in to BCCI insanity.
 
PCB has every right to reject the hybrid model, and India has every right to pull out of the tournaments due to security threats. Personally, I believe the tournament should not be moved away from Pakistan if India chooses not to participate. Let the tournament continue without India; I don't mind.

However, after the initial drama, Pakistan will agree to the hybrid model as usual. :LOL:
 
Cover Drive Six said:
PCB has every right to reject the hybrid model, and India has every right to pull out of the tournaments due to security threats. Personally, I believe the tournament should not be moved away from Pakistan if India chooses not to participate. Let the tournament continue without India; I don't mind.

However, after the initial drama, Pakistan will agree to the hybrid model as usual. :LOL:
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To agree to it would shatter the tough man image of Mohsin Naqvi, so I don't think he would agree.
 
sweep_shot said:
I think the right thing for PCB to do is to refuse hybrid model. If 6 other teams are okay to come to Pakistan, there is no need for a hybrid model just to satisfy one team (India).
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This is all good to hear in theory but it's just not practical in the real world.

Will those "6 other teams" be happy to participate in a India-less ICC tournament? You guys seem to forget that these other boards rely way too much on ICC revenues (90% of which is generated by the Indian market) to even survive and pay their players regularly.

They'll happily ditch Pakistan and and will sign a deal behind their backs to move the tournament to a place India can visit.
 
Devadwal said:
For you one good news - Jay Shah is certain to be elected unopposed as the new ICC Chairman if he wishes to contest for the post :kp
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This is interesting news. If he really does want to stand for the ICC chairmanship, it's not a good time to be openly throwing India's weight around by pushing to move the Trophy out of Pakistan.

Everybody knows it's India that funds the ICC and is the real "Big One" but nobody wants it openly acknowledged. If Jay Shah uses the threat of broadcaster withdrawal to force all the teams to fall in line, there could be passive aggressive responses by the other teams who'll resent this open show of influence. It could be an embarrassing election

Perhaps a deal could be stuck. Unanimous approval for Shah's election to ICC Chairmanship (including Pakistan voting for him) for either India agreeing to travel for all games or maybe even just for the Semi/Final (assuming we make it that far).
 
cricketjoshila said:
This isn't 1974. AITA also didn't want to go to SA as there was no guarantee Indian players will be treated properly.
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Bhai, your claims are as solid as Pakistan's :nonstop: long standing policy of not politicizing sports :nonstop:.There is no security or ethical basis for it.

Indian Hockey team would have very travelled to Pakistan for Olympic qualifiers if we didn't win the gold in Asian games in 2023.

Share one link that supports your random assertions.
 
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Mesozoic said:
Will those "6 other teams" be happy to participate in a India-less ICC tournament? You guys seem to forget that these other boards rely way too much on ICC revenues (90% of which is generated by the Indian market) to even survive and pay their players regularly.

They'll happily ditch Pakistan and and will sign a deal behind their backs to move the tournament to a place India can visit.
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If CT goes on without the host (Pakistan). It will damage the image of ICC and BCCI. no one want this to happen.

I'm 99℅ sure if Pakistan stands firm India will travel to Pakistan.
 
Aang_The_last_airbender said:
Of all the options available, I am telling you CT will be postponed and later scrapped.
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That'll be a massive loss to ICC members and a Contract breach with broadcasters. The ICC has committed to an annual event for the 2024-2027 cycle and are earning $750m annually from Indian Broadcasters. Given the financial troubles Disney Star - Zee (they sort of share the rights) are having, they could easily use this opportunity to allege a major breach and pull out of the contract opening up a renegotiation.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
PCB should simply forfeit it's right to host, instead of setting a bad precedent of giving in to BCCI insanity.
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PCB should be firm and not let it become a hybrid model.

In 2003 World Cup, England didn't play in Zimbabwe and New Zealand didn't play in Kenya. ICC didn't move those games. England and NZ forfeited.

Same should happen to India if India don't want to play CT in Pakistan (forfeited games).
 
sweep_shot said:
PCB should be firm and not let it become a hybrid model.

In 2003 World Cup, England didn't play in Zimbabwe and New Zealand didn't play in Kenya. ICC didn't move those games. England and NZ forfeited.

Same should happen to India if India don't want to play CT in Pakistan (forfeited games).
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It happened in Lanka as well 1996, Aus and WI didn’t go to Lanka and they were awarded both games.

The problem is broadcasters that make money from Indian games and in this case PCB will..
 
Maybe Modi should visit Pakistan if Establishment agrees to receive him and that way cricket diplomacy can be restored.
 
Sunny_majoka said:
If CT goes on without the host (Pakistan). It will damage the image of ICC and BCCI. no one want this to happen.

I'm 99℅ sure if Pakistan stands firm India will travel to Pakistan.
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Lol you think ICC cares about their image?

They are a money making private entity with a sole agenda that is to mint as much cash as possible making use of the resources they have at their disposal.
 
Red-Indian said:
This is interesting news. If he really does want to stand for the ICC chairmanship, it's not a good time to be openly throwing India's weight around by pushing to move the Trophy out of Pakistan.

Everybody knows it's India that funds the ICC and is the real "Big One" but nobody wants it openly acknowledged. If Jay Shah uses the threat of broadcaster withdrawal to force all the teams to fall in line, there could be passive aggressive responses by the other teams who'll resent this open show of influence. It could be an embarrassing election

Perhaps a deal could be stuck. Unanimous approval for Shah's election to ICC Chairmanship (including Pakistan voting for him) for either India agreeing to travel for all games or maybe even just for the Semi/Final (assuming we make it that far).
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Jay Shah will be ICC chairman unopposed if he stands for it.

The CT issue will have no affect.
 

PCB to take up India’s CT status in ICC meeting​

The ICC Champions Trophy will be played in Pakistan next year

“While the details of the tournament have not yet been discussed, it is highly unlikely that the Indian team will travel to Pakistan. Ultimately, the decision rests with the Indian government. However, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) plans to raise this issue at the upcoming ICC meeting in Sri Lanka this month,” a source was quoted as saying.

When asked about the possibility of adopting a hybrid model, a BCCI source stated that no decision has been made yet.

"We haven't discussed about it. The government’s decision on this matter will be final, as we have not yet confirmed it internally. Since this is an ICC event, we do not have the authority to make any unilateral decisions. However, more details may emerge during the next ICC meeting,” he added.

The strained political relations between India and Pakistan have significantly affected their cricketing engagements. The last bilateral series between the two nations occurred in 2012-13 when Pakistan toured India for a series of ODIs and T20Is..

Jay Shah expressed confidence in Sharma's leadership, stating, "I am confident that under the captaincy of Rohit Sharma, we will win the WTC Final and the Champions Trophy." This statement was made in a video shared by the BCCI.

Under Rohit's leadership, India recently ended an 11-year ICC title drought by defeating South Africa by seven runs in the T20 World Cup final in Barbados.

"This was our third final within a year. Last year on June 11, we lost the WTC final. On November 19, after winning 10 matches, we won hearts but not the ODI World Cup. However, as I had said earlier this year in Rajkot, India went on to win hearts and the World Cup under Rohit’s leadership," Shah added.

Shah also praised the contributions of Suryakumar Yadav, Jasprit Bumrah, Arshdeep Singh, and Hardik Pandya for their performances in the final five overs of the T20 World Cup final, which were crucial for India's victory.

The Chairman apprised the BoG of various initiatives to strengthen domestic and women cricket. Various proposals were reviewed for the betterment of domestic cricket in the country.

Source: The Express Tribune
 
With Jay Shah set to become ICC chairman and Gambhir as coach, not sure if there is any interest in traveling to Pak for CT 25.
 
It's an ICC tournament. Pakistan went to India for all WCs so PCB have done enough.

They should calculate the revenue of India matches, ground, tv and ad revenue and BCCI give that money to PCB. India withdraws from CT and the show goes on. F**k the hybrid model.

It will actually be a positive for Pakistan that all the others are attending and only India refused. It will show how petty BCCI/Indian government is to everyone.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
It's an ICC tournament. Pakistan went to India for all WCs so PCB have done enough.

They should calculate the revenue of India matches, ground, tv and ad revenue and BCCI give that money to PCB. India withdraws from CT and the show goes on.
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Of course. They will give entire cash surplus of BCCI to PCB. Just say the word.
 
nuttyprof said:
Of course. They will give entire cash surplus of BCCI to PCB. Just say the word.
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Paying their dues. BCCI have profited enough from Pakistan playing in India. Repay the same in kind, this isn't a friendship. This is a business transaction and the right thing to do.
 
blahfriend said:
Of course. Last I checked PCB tried to make the same argument and lost the suit.
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It shouldn't have even gone to the courts. ICC tournament is hosted in Pakistan, if they don't like it pay up and make your leave.

Honestly if they don't attend and do not offer to pay their dues, it would be one of the most disgusting and extremely offensive moves. On a commercial level. This isn't how civilized people conduct business.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
It shouldn't have even gone to the courts. ICC tournament is hosted in Pakistan, if they don't like it pay up and make your leave.

Honestly if they don't attend and do not offer to pay their dues, it would be one of the most disgusting and extremely offensive moves. On a commercial level. This isn't how civilized people conduct business.
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disgusting and offensive to whom ?
On an objective level, is there a common rulebook which decides who is civilized and how they conduct business ?
 
So have this info from the TDP MP's who we know as friends. The high level word internally is Ind is not going to Pak for the CT or I should rather say the Ind gov is not sending the Ind team to Pak and it will be a hybrid model. And they also mentioned Jay Shah's statement - Rohit will be Ind captain in CT means 2 things- it will be an ODI format & that Ind "will" be "participating" in the CT but not "traveling" to Pak. They want to maintain the status quo and dont want to take any chances whether perceived or real - and TDP is totally on board with it as well. They said they would be "absolutely shocked" if Ind team visits Pak. Ultimately though, the final decision is with the Ind gov & defense ministry but they said more or less the decision has been made and it will be a hybrid model with UAE being the preferred option.
 
deltexas said:
So have this info from the TDP MP's who we know as friends. The high level word internally is Ind is not going to Pak for the CT or I should rather say the Ind gov is not sending the Ind team to Pak and it will be a hybrid model. And they also mentioned Jay Shah's statement - Rohit will be Ind captain in CT means 2 things- it will be an ODI format & that Ind "will" be "participating" in the CT but not "traveling" to Pak. They want to maintain the status quo and dont want to take any chances whether perceived or real - and TDP is totally on board with it as well. They said they would be "absolutely shocked" if Ind team visits Pak. Ultimately though, the final decision is with the Ind gov & defense ministry but they said more or less the decision has been made and it will be a hybrid model with UAE being the preferred option.
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What is TDP?
 
Cricket Warrior said:
will be glad to see that but first they have to be brave enough to come and play here.

I think the fear of losing is holding them back. :p
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Your hands did not tremble before writing this ?

Check the ICC tournament record of india - Pakistan matches

or you can simply ask sarfaraz Ahmed who once made same statement after 2017 CT and he got reality check in 2018 Asia Cup ( india humiliated Pakistan twice) and 2019 world cup. :kp
 
Devadwal said:
Your hands did not tremble before writing this ?

Check the ICC tournament record of india - Pakistan matches

or you can simply ask sarfaraz Ahmed who once made same statement after 2017 CT and he got reality check in 2018 Asia Cup ( india humiliated Pakistan twice) and 2019 world cup. :kp
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By Indian team without Kohli in Asia cup IIRC.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Paying their dues. BCCI have profited enough from Pakistan playing in India. Repay the same in kind, this isn't a friendship. This is a business transaction and the right thing to do.
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Lol. BCCI makes $7bn to 7.5 bn in revenue from IPL and BCCI's home matches and Pakistan isn't a part of it.

If pakistan was a big revenue generating territory, PCB would be second richest board in the world.

BCCI doesn't need Pakistan to make money.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
It shouldn't have even gone to the courts. ICC tournament is hosted in Pakistan, if they don't like it pay up and make your leave.

Honestly if they don't attend and do not offer to pay their dues, it would be one of the most disgusting and extremely offensive moves. On a commercial level. This isn't how civilized people conduct business.
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BCCI conducts no business with PCB.

If BCCI doesn't send its team, ICC won't pay BCCI the proportionate share of ICC revenues for that event. That's business.
 
deltexas said:
So have this info from the TDP MP's who we know as friends. The high level word internally is Ind is not going to Pak for the CT or I should rather say the Ind gov is not sending the Ind team to Pak and it will be a hybrid model. And they also mentioned Jay Shah's statement - Rohit will be Ind captain in CT means 2 things- it will be an ODI format & that Ind "will" be "participating" in the CT but not "traveling" to Pak. They want to maintain the status quo and dont want to take any chances whether perceived or real - and TDP is totally on board with it as well. They said they would be "absolutely shocked" if Ind team visits Pak. Ultimately though, the final decision is with the Ind gov & defense ministry but they said more or less the decision has been made and it will be a hybrid model with UAE being the preferred option.
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TDP is the second biggest partner of NDA. So they have some idea even though they are not members of CCS.
 
Savak said:
PCB apparently will try to negotiate India to agree to tour Pakistan in exchange for PCB's vote for Jay Shah as the ICC Chairman.
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Don't vote Jay Shah. But who will PCB vote for? Who is the other candidate?
 
After the recent encounters is Jammu & Kashmir India will not travel to Pakistan.
100 % percent sure .
 
Red-Indian said:
This is interesting news. If he really does want to stand for the ICC chairmanship, it's not a good time to be openly throwing India's weight around by pushing to move the Trophy out of Pakistan.

Everybody knows it's India that funds the ICC and is the real "Big One" but nobody wants it openly acknowledged. If Jay Shah uses the threat of broadcaster withdrawal to force all the teams to fall in line, there could be passive aggressive responses by the other teams who'll resent this open show of influence. It could be an embarrassing election

Perhaps a deal could be stuck. Unanimous approval for Shah's election to ICC Chairmanship (including Pakistan voting for him) for either India agreeing to travel for all games or maybe even just for the Semi/Final (assuming we make it that far).
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Why are you always keen to push this narrative that there is key deal to be made with pak establishment and that its imminent?
 
rpant_gabba said:
Why are you always keen to push this narrative that there is key deal to be made with pak establishment and that its imminent?
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Exactly. So many assumptions:
1. It is going to look bad ? To whom ? All the cricket boards barring one are willing to side with Jay Shah/BCCI.
2. Embarrassing elections to whom ? PCB ?
3. So if Jay Shah strikes an "out of band" deal with PCB in exchange for votes, It will look good.
 
blahfriend said:
Exactly. So many assumptions:
1. It is going to look bad ? To whom ? All the cricket boards barring one are willing to side with Jay Shah/BCCI.
2. Embarrassing elections to whom ? PCB ?
3. So if Jay Shah strikes an "out of band" deal with PCB in exchange for votes, It will look good.
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he tries very hard to hide his WKK'shness couthed in what he thinks is sound logic
 
If India is hell bent on not touring Pakistan, why not announce it now to both the ICC and PCB in order to give them time to plan a Plan B. Why wait till the last minute?
 
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Savak said:
If India is hell bent on not touring Pakistan, why not announce it now to both the ICC and PCB in order to give them time to plan a Plan B. Why wait till the last minute?
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See my post #1161 above. PCB pretty much knows it will be a hybrid model. They just don't want to disclose it this early as it will give the impression they are succumbing so early. They will want to say to the pak public that they tried their best till the last minute and agreed to a hybrid model for the sake of cricket. And fair enough i would say. Doesn't help them if tg hey announce esrly as every tom d and harry will start bashing them rightaway till the CT starts. That's why both bcci and pcb are kinda keeping a low profile on this without going completely bombastic.
 
rpant_gabba said:
Why are you always keen to push this narrative that there is key deal to be made with pak establishment and that its imminent?
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Couple of reasons

1. I want it.
If we can get a deal that reduces tensions, it'll be very useful. The future need of our security deployments is on the eastern border not western. We need to strike a deal and have 5 or so years to verify it's sticking so we can start changing our orientation.
It'll finally settle Kashmir, bring peace there and allow to reduce the massive personnel deployment there.
While we'll never fully pull Pakistan out of China's orbit we don't want it to become a complete vassal state. We should be giving them some incentive to maintain a semblance of independence through trade with India.

2. I genuinely see it in the tea leaves.
So naturally I interpret developments to favour my narrative. Maybe I'm wrong in some but I'm sure I'm right in some. A full year before the Asia cup - September 22, Jay Shah was confidently issuing statements that India wouldn't travel and that the matches would be moved out. Now we're 9 months from the Champions Trophy and he's yet to say a word. He's obviously been told to keep mum as things are being discussed at a level above him. Probably Daddy and Jaishankar.

Note i've never confidently said we'll travel. I fully acknowledge the higher probability that we won't.
 
The air should be clear by now. Even if PCB knows about the hybrid model, they should be brave enough to accept whatever is coming and get ready for it.

There is a higher chance that it will be a hybrid model, yes.
 
deltexas said:
They just don't want to disclose it this early as it will give the impression they are succumbing so early..
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It looks reasonable to me .now it's a friendly government in pak and India may not try to humiliate pcb publicly upfront like asia cup announcement fiasco by shah.india doesn't wants to travel and pak wants to save their face by giving less time to react for anyone.
 
Red-Indian said:
If we can get a deal that reduces tensions, it'll be very useful. The future need of our security deployments is on the eastern border not western. We need to strike a deal and have 5 or so years to verify it's sticking so we can start changing our orientation.
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I am kinda curious when has cricket reduced tensions ? It has been tried multiple times in the past, never worked afaik.
 
No ICC event should happen in Pakistan. India and Modi will teach the Pakistani establishment a lesson of their lives, just like they did last time when they took Kashmir openly with just a constitutional tweak. The Pakistani establishment is too foolish and needs at least 50 years of training and education to understand foreign affairs and geopolitics. They only know how to earn free dollars but don't want to work.

Modi is 100 times cleverer than our Zardari, Nawaz, and Imran Khan combined. A surprise is coming to Pakistan. India will not come to Pakistan at any cost until we have a proper constitutional government in place, purely based on civilians and free of the influence of this stupid duffer establishment, which is unlikely to happen anytime soon in our lifetime, I guess.
 
Now whole indian media is reporting that india is not going to Pakistan to play champion trophy.

It's not just the board's decision; the government is also involved
 
Silly Pakistanis can stop turning up to ICC Ind v Pak matches as a revenge move. But they never do that, and the broadcast money keeps ringing in to the BCCI. And Pakistan inevitably get beaten to boot!
 
Color me surprised.. :)


For cricketing reasons, I hope we play in Sri Lanka as there is no blatant toss advantage to teams fielding first but for logical reasons, Dubai makes more sense due to it's proximity to Pakistan.
 
PCB has to take a decision.

Accept hybrid model.

Refuse and force ICC to play without India.

Withdraw from CT and any ICC event in India.

Each decision has its separate implications.
 
No worries if india is not coming. Sri Lanka has the place to grab in this event.
 
1 poster above said PCB already beaten but pretending to be strong to Pakistanis.

This may be truth.

Maybe they want show Pakistanis that they trying best to fight BCCI.

Reality , they may already have plans for hybrid model.
 
Varun said:
Silly Pakistanis can stop turning up to ICC Ind v Pak matches as a revenge move. But they never do that, and the broadcast money keeps ringing in to the BCCI. And Pakistan inevitably get beaten to boot!
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We are one step there already. The team fails to turn up usually. Just need the fans to follow suit.
 
So that's that.

Lahore Stadium renovation to be stopped then? If not, who will refund the money? :vk1
 
As per reports:

The Indian cricket team is unlikely to participate in the 2025 Champions Trophy scheduled to be held in Pakistan in February and March. The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) plans to request the International Cricket Council (ICC) to hold India’s matches in Dubai or Sri Lanka instead.

This decision will be made based on the Indian government’s authorization. The last time India toured Pakistan was in 2008, and since then, the teams have only competed in multi-team events. The upcoming Champions Trophy is the first major cricket event in Pakistan since the 1996 World Cup. The tournament will run from February 19 to March 9, with matches in Karachi, Lahore, and Rawalpindi. Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and New Zealand are in Group A, while Group B includes England, South Africa, Australia, and Afghanistan.



It will be a hybrid model once again.
 
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Every year BCCI gives PCB an opportunity to take an excuse and boycott/withdraw from these ICC / ACC events and save the team from embarassment.

PCB never learns, they end up participating in the events and end up getting embarassed and humiliated by losing to India and performing poorly.

At least if they boycott the board will appear as a strong board, otherwise the board also appears weak and team is anyhow weak. 🤦‍♂️

Let's see what they do this time.
 
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