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OldWarHorse said:
Poor from ICC tbh if they let BCCI bully them around like this. International Cricket is a mess
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It's what happens when you let corrupt 3rd worlders dictate policy.

This is why football is the biggest and most successful sport in the world, it's inclusive and isn't run by small men occupying big offices who do not have the vision to see the larger picture.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
It's what happens when you let corrupt 3rd worlders dictate policy.

This is why football is the biggest and most successful sport in the world, it's inclusive and isn't run by small men occupying big offices who do not have the vision to see the larger picture.
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FIFA have their own faults tbf, are extremely corrupt themselves but yeah they do promote the sport well in even the tiniest of nations.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Teams of other group will agree? They will be at a huge disadvantage as they will directly play India in semis in Dubai without playing in Dubai before.
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None of this unfair/fair stuff matters to ICC. Already ICC fixes groups to ensure games and scheduling such that it maximizes revenues.

We have seen that ICC has no qualms about holding world cup games in popup stadiums on untested pitches just as testrun for marketing game.

Here it is clear cut Solomon solution to keep both India and Pak happy. Rest of boards will just take their piece of revenue pie and be happy.
 
By not hosting an event in a corrupt, 3rd world country, that's what's stopping cricket from being as big as football, wow such unbelievable insight 😍
Flat_Track_Bully said:
It's what happens when you let corrupt 3rd worlders dictate policy.

This is why football is the biggest and most successful sport in the world, it's inclusive and isn't run by small men occupying big offices who do not have the vision to see the larger picture.
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Flat_Track_Bully said:
It's what happens when you let corrupt 3rd worlders dictate policy.

This is why football is the biggest and most successful sport in the world, it's inclusive and isn't run by small men occupying big offices who do not have the vision to see the larger picture.
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Lol FIFA corruption is worse, just that there are so many football playing nations and it’s the cheapest sport to get into.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Remember guys what our destiny is.

Once Pakistan fixes its economy and has a decade of progress, with our smaller population we will rise up very rapidly and rightfully claim what's ours.

Until then let them be petty.
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If only it's easy as u write then in this world there will be no inequalities.
Fixing economy , Decade of progress and most importantly SMALLER POPULATION
 
cricketjoshila said:
Indian tv rights in a tournament boycotted by India won't be good enough.

Also expect BCCI to arrange a mini IPL sort of tournament to pare the loss of ICC revenue share.

But ICC should be ready to take a loss. They are responsible for this situation. They knew India's participation in any tournament in Pakistan is slim. Yet they awarded the hosting rights to Pakistan only. It would have been prudent to have a co host and this situation wouldn't have arised.

Hybrid model for CT will be very difficult to execute
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I don’t think it’s fair to Pakistan anymore and I’m sure deep down you believe that as well.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
It's what happens when you let corrupt 3rd worlders dictate policy.

This is why football is the biggest and most successful sport in the world, it's inclusive and isn't run by small men occupying big offices who do not have the vision to see the larger picture.
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It is India's sovereign right to decide whether they want to participate or not. I don't see the point here.
Why doesn't Pakistan insist on hosting the tournament on its own terms, with or without India? Are they worried that the tournament won't make as much money without India's participation?

And the 'inclusive' people running the world's football had no qualms to get sold out to Qatar, a country with no tradition of any sport and one which built all the football infrastructure by literally working South Asian labourers to their deaths.
 
cricketjoshila said:
ICC should have had a co host in this case from the start. They messed up.

I don't blame Pakistanis if they think they are being robbed.
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Absolutely right. The ICC should have thought through this. Silly of them to assume that India would participate and that all will be well.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Remember guys what our destiny is.

Once Pakistan fixes its economy and has a decade of progress, with our smaller population we will rise up very rapidly and rightfully claim what's ours.

Until then let them be petty.
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For that, the first step is to conduct a fair election, which has never happened in the history of Pakistan.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
It's what happens when you let corrupt 3rd worlders dictate policy.

This is why football is the biggest and most successful sport in the world, it's inclusive and isn't run by small men occupying big offices who do not have the vision to see the larger picture.
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Agree with you. Cricket is an English sport. It should be run by them. I also expect far more professionalism if they run it.
 
gani999 said:
It is India's sovereign right to decide whether they want to participate or not. I don't see the point here.
Why doesn't Pakistan insist on hosting the tournament on its own terms, with or without India? Are they worried that the tournament won't make as much money without India's participation?

And the 'inclusive' people running the world's football had no qualms to get sold out to Qatar, a country with no tradition of any sport and one which built all the football infrastructure by literally working South Asian labourers to their deaths.
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It turned out to be the best FIFA world cup ever. Extremely safe for families as well. Especially when compared to the Euro held in England the year before where their drunk fans were complete hooligans.
 
PakFan2010 said:
1. Modi says India cannot travel
2. BCCI ask for hybrid model
3. ICC say no and India are told Sri Lanka will replace them.
4. BCCI ask Modi to reconsider.
5. Modi says India can travel to Pakistan.

The above is what will happen.
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I know @rpant_gabba will get annoyed at me saying this (he seems to take it personally) but this scenario is still vaguely possible. One interesting thing is that not a single BCCI official including Jay Shah has officially come out and said we won't travel and that the Indian government hasn't given permission. They've been leaking stuff to the media through backchannels to test the waters.

It's very very likely we won't travel given the news and precedent so far though.
 
No that it would mean much but to the fans, India beating Pakistan in their own backyard is a opportunity that can not be missed.
 
Red-Indian said:
I know @rpant_gabba will get annoyed at me saying this (he seems to take it personally) but this scenario is still vaguely possible. One interesting thing is that not a single BCCI official including Jay Shah has officially come out and said we won't travel and that the Indian government hasn't given permission. They've been leaking stuff to the media through backchannels to test the waters.

It's very very likely we won't travel given the news and precedent so far though.
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Haven't padosi's been thumping their chest for a long time with posts like the you quoted. The only time BCCI got cornered at ICC was witha inside job by Manohar. We all know how it played out in the long run.

I dont put up with wishful thinking non sense and call out the idiocy for what it is.
 
PakFan2010 said:
1. Modi says India cannot travel
2. BCCI ask for hybrid model
3. ICC say no and India are told Sri Lanka will replace them.
4. BCCI ask Modi to reconsider.
5. Modi says India can travel to Pakistan.

The above is what will happen.
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BCCI has to beg and request Modi and government officials.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
It's what happens when you let corrupt 3rd worlders dictate policy.

This is why football is the biggest and most successful sport in the world, it's inclusive and isn't run by small men occupying big offices who do not have the vision to see the larger picture.
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Things were so much better under the Eng/Aus veto system.
 
gani999 said:
And the 'inclusive' people running the world's football had no qualms to get sold out to Qatar, a country with no tradition of any sport and one which built all the football infrastructure by literally working South Asian labourers to their deaths.
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Qatar World Cup was a successful World Cup unlike 2023 ODI World Cup (which really felt like a bilateral home series for India).

Then again, there is no comparison between a FIFA World Cup and a cricket World Cup. FIFA World Cup is obviously more established and global.
 
sweep_shot said:
Agree with you. Cricket is an English sport. It should be run by them. I also expect far more professionalism if they run it.
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India and Pakistan wouldn't even be independent with that colonial mindset. Own your destiny my friend.
 
sweep_shot said:
Qatar World Cup was a successful World Cup unlike 2023 ODI World Cup (which really felt like a bilateral home series for India).

Then again, there is no comparison between a FIFA World Cup and a cricket World Cup. FIFA World Cup is obviously more established and global.
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India alone brings 1.4 billion people to cricket. It is not a trivial number of human beings. The world is big enough for more than 1 type of game that humans beings play.
 
sweep_shot said:
Qatar World Cup was a successful World Cup unlike 2023 ODI World Cup (which really felt like a bilateral home series for India).

Then again, there is no comparison between a FIFA World Cup and a cricket World Cup. FIFA World Cup is obviously more established and global.
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Reference to FIFA is a deflection tactic. Currently, cricket is in a healthier state than it was during the England/Australia veto. Bangladesh would likely not have obtained Test status if they had the veto. They would have banned Afghanistan too. The idea for the 10 team World Cup originated with the ECB's Giles Clarkes. England would not have allowed 20 teams in the T20 World Cup if they were running this sport. Plenty of associates in the past didn't get teat status because of England's refusal. By the way, England boycotted the early FIFA World Cups, but football gained worldwide popularity due to other countries capable of managing it years ago.
 
Red-Indian said:
I know @rpant_gabba will get annoyed at me saying this (he seems to take it personally) but this scenario is still vaguely possible. One interesting thing is that not a single BCCI official including Jay Shah has officially come out and said we won't travel and that the Indian government hasn't given permission. They've been leaking stuff to the media through backchannels to test the waters.

It's very very likely we won't travel given the news and precedent so far though.
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If BCCI officially conveys to the ICC that they are not travelling to Pakistan due to govt orders, there will be no going back from it, unless something miraculous happens between the two countries.

Your concillatory posts have no basis.
 
cricketjoshila said:
If BCCI officially conveys to the ICC that they are not travelling to Pakistan due to govt orders, there will be no going back from it, unless something miraculous happens between the two countries.

Your concillatory posts have no basis.
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Well are there back channel negotiations still ongoing that is preventing BCCI / GOI from making this decision now?
 
msb314 said:
Well are there back channel negotiations still ongoing that is preventing BCCI / GOI from making this decision now?
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Why would India be in a hurry to make the decision now?

IMO. This whole back channel stuff is a coping mechanism by pak and its supporters and WKK's
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Remember guys what our destiny is.

Once Pakistan fixes its economy and has a decade of progress, with our smaller population we will rise up very rapidly and rightfully claim what's ours.

Until then let them be petty.
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Pakistani women popping babies with TFR 3.5

India under 2.0 now

Your pop. expected to hit 500 mill + by 2100 by latest UN estimate.

India to be 1.5 bill.

This theory won't work for PAK, I don't think.
 
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Vikram1989 said:
I thought of tagging u .who is your such confidential source? Is he the nri central minister 🤔?
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A bit off the topic this for your reply. TDP as a party is very pro NRI's for investment. They have an entire NRI wing for NRI investment. And in exchange - NRIs get no bureaucracy, no red tapism and get quite a few benefits as in fast access to locations, direct contact with top level bureaucrats , interactions with top brass etc. A few years ago - they launched a Smartcity village program wherein NRI's can invest in a village and take care of a few poor village families. You could also invest in hospitals and other ventures and there would no local issues and you get benefits. TDP is the most pro NRI investment friendly party after BJP. So you just get the news on something like this if Ind is traveling to CT or not. A side note on the smart village adoption. It can even be just 1 or 2 poor familes that you take care of and I will say it's one of the must humbling experiences ever that I have had in my life. The level of poverty that you see in some of the more rural villages is truly heartbreaking. Sometimes I wish I never saw any of that or had no idea about it. A truly humbling experience is an understatement. And then you compare it to the wealth and the filthy rich amounts that these MP's and ministers have. Truly mind boggling. If the ministers and MP's in Ind were even 20% less corrupt , there would be so much more growth and less poverty.

And on topic - just to reiterate what I said a few days back based on the TDP MP sources Ind will not trael to Pak for CT and it will be ahybrid model. Another concern the Ind gov had was if heaven forbid something happens to the Ind team even if its very minor - the potential fallout would be political suicide. No party and certainly not BJP wll be willing to take that risk. The opposition will just have a field day with it. Also the recent terror attacks just made it a totally non viable option. And its only 1 tournament. Pak is not hosting any other iCC events for a while. So the risk of sending the Ind team for this 1 event is a total non starter. And PCB internally knows as well that it will be a hybrid model and are OK with it. The bombastic announcements and statements etc are just for the local Pak public consumption.
 
BJP has a stronghold on BCCI, their political influence goes far and wide. Ideally, PCB should move on and conduct the event in the Pakistan without India. But I have a feeling that they will be arm twisted by ICC to have a hybrid model. PCB is a weak institute and will always be.
 
sweep_shot said:
Agree with you. Cricket is an English sport. It should be run by them. I also expect far more professionalism if they run it.
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So is soccer. Don’t see you asking so over to be run by the English.
 
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well analysed by deltexas in #1,324. even a 0.0001% chance of an incident during the tour in nearby areas is enough for opposition to rip into the govt. with less seats this time, govt will not afford that risk. the recent incidents on the border also didn't help even if there was a miniscule chance in the first place.

It will be a hybrid. can understand fans emotions but also understand such decision from ind govt's pov.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Remember guys what our destiny is.

Once Pakistan fixes its economy and has a decade of progress, with our smaller population we will rise up very rapidly and rightfully claim what's ours.

Until then let them be petty.
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Wasn't that already supposed to have happened with game changer CPEC?
 
Hellion said:
Pakistani women popping babies with TFR 3.5

India under 2.0 now

Your pop. expected to hit 500 mill + by 2100 by latest UN estimate.

India to be 1.5 bill.

This theory won't work for PAK, I don't think.
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500 million is nothing for a country the size of Pakistan and it will be under control soon.

India at 1.5 billion can never be 1st world unless they do a China which is impossible because they don't have it in them as a collective. All they can achieve is small clusters of affluence.

Pakistan is primed to be South Asia 2.0, it has a higher ceiling. By that point 1 Pakistani will be worth 20 Indians. Then lets see where the money is where cricket will be played. We will repay in kind don't you worry.
 
msb314 said:
Well are there back channel negotiations still ongoing that is preventing BCCI / GOI from making this decision now?
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As per the news sources BCCI will officially inform ICC at its annual meeting this month.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
500 million is nothing for a country the size of Pakistan and it will be under control soon.

India at 1.5 billion can never be 1st world unless they do a China which is impossible because they don't have it in them as a collective. All they can achieve is small clusters of affluence.

Pakistan is primed to be South Asia 2.0, it has a higher ceiling. By that point 1 Pakistani will be worth 20 Indians. Then lets see where the money is where cricket will be played. We will repay in kind don't you worry.
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Your understand is very poor I afraid . 500 mill. is too much for Pakistan.

Economy already very leverage. High inflation and not ideal for investors.

Also PPP measure, India pulling away from Pakistan .

Maybe PAK will one day reduce debt level etc. but no evidence this happening.
 
sweep_shot said:
Are you saying cricket is in good hands? ICC has become like UN. Pretty spineless currently.
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Every sport is in terrible hands. I think cricket's in better hands than football and a bunch of other sports. ICC was always terrible and has remained useless. It's good that the developing countries are beginning to control the sport. Maybe India and whoever else joins in will do a better job. Maybe not. They can't do a worse job than the likes of England.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
500 million is nothing for a country the size of Pakistan and it will be under control soon.

India at 1.5 billion can never be 1st world unless they do a China which is impossible because they don't have it in them as a collective. All they can achieve is small clusters of affluence.

Pakistan is primed to be South Asia 2.0, it has a higher ceiling. By that point 1 Pakistani will be worth 20 Indians. Then lets see where the money is where cricket will be played. We will repay in kind don't you worry.
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Yes, Pakistan which relies on bailouts and alms and has no industry, limited foreign investment and low levels of education is going to be worth 20 indians and has it in them.

The only you have it in you is to be Somalia 2.0

Lol at the delusions, you will do whatever the BCCI wants you to do
 
Statpadder Inc said:
Yes, Pakistan which relies on bailouts and alms and has no industry, limited foreign investment and low levels of education is going to be worth 20 indians and has it in them.

The only you have it in you is to be Somalia 2.0

Lol at the delusions, you will do whatever the BCCI wants you to do
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45% of expected dollar income for the year will go service external debt.

This is not sustainable. If PAK continue this path, bigger disaster is waiting.
 
Statpadder Inc said:
Yes, Pakistan which relies on bailouts and alms and has no industry, limited foreign investment and low levels of education is going to be worth 20 indians and has it in them.

The only you have it in you is to be Somalia 2.0

Lol at the delusions, you will do whatever the BCCI wants you to do
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It's just mismanagement. 10 years of progress for stability. 30 years of development. Uplift of Islamabad, Karachi and Lahore to Shanghai level. Arrived to the 1st world.
 
What everyone needs to focus on is the source of this news which is ANI, its a known fake news peddler.

Indian journalism is straight up garbage, dont believe anything unless its straight up from BCCI or news sources like newslaundry, print etc.

I dont think any hybrid model shtick is going to fly. Pakistani resolve is going to be tested. Such times require strong men like Naqvi, i hope he does not disappoint. If ICC moves it outside of Pakistan, we should boycott all ICC events in India thereon. I know world will move on, but at least we wont be taken for a ride. Self respect over anything. Cricket is a sport, not a business.
 
Tens of pages of discussion will go on until February but in the end we all know what's gonna happen.

Asia cup and World cup in 2023 both had similar levels of delusional discussions but we all saw what happened in the end

India will not visit Pakistan.

ICC cannot afford a tournament without India.

Pakistan will fear it's hosting rights to any future tournaments will be taken away if this CT ends up in a financial disaster.

Now do the math..
 
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rpant_gabba said:
Why would India be in a hurry to make the decision now?

IMO. This whole back channel stuff is a coping mechanism by pak and its supporters and WKK's
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From Indian POV - the more you delay it the less likely ICC is to accept it due to logistics, arrangements etc.
 
Mesozoic said:
Tens of pages of discussion will go on until February but in the end we all know what's gonna happen.

Asia cup and World cup in 2023 both had similar levels of delusional discussions but we all saw what happened in the end and who had to wag their tails at the end..


India will not visit Pakistan.

ICC cannot afford a tournament without India.

Pakistan will fear it's hosting rights to any future tournaments will be taken away if this CT ends up in a financial disaster.

Now do the math..
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I have made a few posts above too and as you said these will go for not 10 but 100 pages till Feb and we all know what's gonna happen eventually as you mention !

Your 2nd last sentence - if this CT is a financial disaster by way of Ind not participating which is extremely unlikely - then Pak can kiss goodbye to any future ICC events. Frankly, PCB knows all of this, they know it will be a hybrid model and they will make the revenue too. The problem is the Pak posters on this forum are not representative of the PCB and keep posting these bullish bombastic chest thumping statements without agreeing to reality and being in denial. No rights or wrongs here - am just stating the cold hard truths
 
The only way a hybrid model will be acceptable to PCB and Govt of Pak is of Pak vs India (Group Stage or Group Stage and Final) if it is in Lahore.

India can play against NZ and Bang and SF in Dubai

Let’s see what happens
 
The best solution might be to host it without India.

Not as a way to be "tough" against India but to realistically host a good tournament. A hybrid model is a flimsy idea even though it's possible using the UAE.
 
If Pakistan rejects the Hybrid Model, will ICC proceed and hold the tournament in Pakistan without India?

WIll wait and watch and see what happens :unsure:
 
Croma said:
If Pakistan rejects the Hybrid Model, will ICC proceed and hold the tournament in Pakistan without India?

WIll wait and watch and see what happens :unsure:
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Good luck getting broadcasters to pay as much. Which means lesser share for the boards. Good luck getting the other boards to sign up for CT 2025. Better chance of all the remaining boards refusing to travel to Pakistan on security grounds and ICC awarding the tournament to some other country (USA/India/SA)
 
deltexas said:
A bit off the topic this for your reply. TDP as a party is very pro NRI's for investment. . TDP is the most pro NRI investment friendly party after BJP.

And on topic - . Another concern the Ind gov had was if heaven forbid something happens to the Ind team even if its very minor -
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Thank u for the excellent post and detailed analysis.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
It's just mismanagement. 10 years of progress for stability. 30 years of development. Uplift of Islamabad, Karachi and Lahore to Shanghai level. Arrived to the 1st world.
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Yeah... How would you do 30 years of development ? What is it that Pakistan produces ?
Let's start with the basic things first:
1. How is the current education system ?
2. How are the industries in Pakistan doing ? Are they productive ?
3. How is political system ? Stable ? why would it be stable now if it has not been stable for 75 years ?
 
Mesozoic said:
Tens of pages of discussion will go on until February but in the end we all know what's gonna happen.

Asia cup and World cup in 2023 both had similar levels of delusional discussions but we all saw what happened in the end

India will not visit Pakistan.

ICC cannot afford a tournament without India.

Pakistan will fear it's hosting rights to any future tournaments will be taken away if this CT ends up in a financial disaster.

Now do the math..
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There is a big flaw in your post ... you assume that posters ( especially those who are bent out of shape ) here are conversant with real world arithmatics.
 
Slim said:
What everyone needs to focus on is the source of this news which is ANI, its a known fake news peddler.

Indian journalism is straight up garbage, dont believe anything unless its straight up from BCCI or news sources like newslaundry, print etc.

I dont think any hybrid model shtick is going to fly. Pakistani resolve is going to be tested. Such times require strong men like Naqvi, i hope he does not disappoint. If ICC moves it outside of Pakistan, we should boycott all ICC events in India thereon. I know world will move on, but at least we wont be taken for a ride. Self respect over anything. Cricket is a sport, not a business.
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ANI is fake news peddler? Ok

PTI is also fake news.

Newslaundry Print....LOL. they are propoganda websites with little credibility.
 
kingusama92 said:
The best solution might be to host it without India.

Not as a way to be "tough" against India but to realistically host a good tournament. A hybrid model is a flimsy idea even though it's possible using the UAE.
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ICC may do that. But will other boards agree to a massive revenue cut. All boards except big 3 are dependent on ICC revenue share for majority of their annual budget.
 
PCB always knew that they would have to face such a situation. ICC knew it as well. If it is hybrid model every time Pakistan is the host, then I think PCB should just stay away from hosting because No point fighting for something that is impossible.
 
BouncerGuy said:
PCB always knew that they would have to face such a situation. ICC knew it as well. If it is hybrid model every time Pakistan is the host, then I think PCB should just stay away from hosting because No point fighting for something that is impossible.
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I am not sure if PCB knew it. IIRC, it was Saurav Ganguly as BCCI prez and Rameez Raja as PCB prez when CT was awarded to Pakistan. I thought Rameez Raja thought they would be able to get Ganguly and therefor GoI to convince Indian team to visit Pakistan for the trophy(My read of the situation, since Rameez Raja comes across as a know it all).
 
cricketjoshila said:
ICC may do that. But will other boards agree to a massive revenue cut. All boards except big 3 are dependent on ICC revenue share for majority of their annual budget.
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I feel like it's possible. Slim chance but in other cases, I would have said 100% no.

The Champions Trophy is sort of the odd one out and generates the least revenue of the major tournaments. It will be interesting to see what they do and how they maneuver around this.

Regardless, the most likely solution will be a hybrid model and ICC foots the bill for all "away" matches. It will ruin the tournament's vibe but it is what it is.
 
Multiple sources are saying ICC has already confirmed the CT will be fully played in Pakistan and India has to participate

Else if India decline - SL will be asked to replace India
 
arunp said:
I am not sure if PCB knew it. IIRC, it was Saurav Ganguly as BCCI prez and Rameez Raja as PCB prez when CT was awarded to Pakistan. I thought Rameez Raja thought they would be able to get Ganguly and therefor GoI to convince Indian team to visit Pakistan for the trophy(My read of the situation, since Rameez Raja comes across as a know it all).
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After the Asia cup and World Cup drama, everybody knew it, and if PCB is unaware of this thing then they are pathetic as an organization to not read the situation.
 
msb314 said:
Multiple sources are saying ICC has already confirmed the CT will be fully played in Pakistan and India has to participate

Else if India decline - SL will be asked to replace India
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Yes All multiple sources are from pakistan.
Based on what happened in past ,we will discuss for another 1000posts ,more bravado from both sides and end up doing what happened in Asia cup and World Cup.
 
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