[VIDEOS] Pakistan to host Champions Trophy 2025

[sweep_shot]

Just host in UAE, The flight from England to Pakistan is 8 hrs, lol at people asking the schedule to be co hosted between these 2 countries.

Jet lag will eat every team alive. So might as well just give India the trophy lol.

The simplest solution is to tell India to get lost from CT or host the entire tournament in UAE if bcci is such a drama queen.

Yeah. This is unnecessary travel for other teams. Traveling between two countries back and forth. All just to satisfy childish BCCI.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yeah. This is unnecessary travel for other teams. Traveling between two countries back and forth. All just to satisfy childish BCCI.

Either host in UAE if ICC thinks India is a must, or play the tournament in pakistan without India, Get sri lanka as a replacement.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Either host in UAE if ICC thinks India is a must, or play the tournament in pakistan without India, Get sri lanka as a replacement.

No point shifting this event to Dubai just for political reasons, its better to add SL and host the complete event in Pakistan.

 

[TheRock]

I would prefer SL. UAE has a dead vibe. SL has bands and music etc.

I don't think the crowd would come with bands and music. (If at all they turn up) Coz the home team (SL) is not participating in the CT. (No reason for them to be cheerful when their own team failed to qualify)

 

[sweep_shot]

I would prefer SL. UAE has a dead vibe. SL has bands and music etc.

Complete opposite.

UAE tend to have a better vibe because there are many desi expats there.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Icc and bcci are on 1 page in this matter I think.
PCB will have to agree in the end.

 

[The_Last_Samurai]

Icc and bcci are on 1 page in this matter I think.
PCB will have to agree in the end.

4 Soldiers & 1 Officer martyred in Terrorist attack in Doda, Jammu & Kashmir today.


Now PCB should even stop dreaming of Indian team visiting Pak ever coz this would continue and so would the Indian team not tour Pak.

 

[The_Last_Samurai]

4 Soldiers & 1 Officer martyred in Terrorist attack in Doda, Jammu & Kashmir today.


Now PCB should even stop dreaming of Indian team visiting Pak ever coz this would continue and so would the Indian team not tour Pak.

As per reports :

The International Cricket Council (ICC) Annual Conference is set to be hosted by Sri Lanka Cricket (SLC) from July 19th to 22nd, 2024. This is the first time the event will be held in Asia. Over 220 delegates from 108 ICC member countries will attend the conference, which will focus on the sport’s strategic direction, governance, and development. The theme for this year’s conference is “Capitalizing on the Olympic Opportunity,” with discussions on ‘Diversity and Inclusion,’ ‘Environmental Sustainability and the Sport,’ and ‘Cricket’s Triumphant Return at LA28.’

SLC President Shammi Silva expressed enthusiasm about hosting the event and showcasing Sri Lanka’s beauty and heritage. However, the BCCI may express concerns about the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 being hosted in Pakistan due to security reasons. This could lead to discussions about a UAE co-hosting model and contingency plans for alternative host countries. The conference will also include key meetings, workshops, and networking sessions, with decisions made to benefit the future of cricket.

 

[BouncerGuy]

4 Soldiers & 1 Officer martyred in Terrorist attack in Doda, Jammu & Kashmir today.


Now PCB should even stop dreaming of Indian team visiting Pak ever coz this would continue and so would the Indian team not tour Pak.

3 killed in car bomb-and-gun attack on Pakistan military compound.

Does this mean we should blame India for everything??

Pakistan suffered the most when it comes to terrorism.

WHy should PCB stop dreaming? They already hosted many international teams leaving India. India is the problem, not Pakistan.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

3 killed in car bomb-and-gun attack on Pakistan military compound.

Does this mean we should blame India for everything??

Pakistan suffered the most when it comes to terrorism.

WHy should PCB stop dreaming? They already hosted many international teams leaving India. India is the problem, not Pakistan.

Here is the no win narrative for PCB with regards to terror attacks.
A terror attack in Kashmir, India blames Pakistan for promoting terror.
A terror attack in Pakistan, Pakistan is not safe!
With impending decimation of PTI and IK, domestic political turmoil can cause issues on the streets of Pakistan which will scare away outsiders.
Pakistan, unfortunately, has lost control of the story. Its not fair, but its the reality of present times.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Here is the no win narrative for PCB with regards to terror attacks.
A terror attack in Kashmir, India blames Pakistan for promoting terror.
A terror attack in Pakistan, Pakistan is not safe!
With impending decimation of PTI and IK, domestic political turmoil can cause issues on the streets of Pakistan which will scare away outsiders.
Pakistan, unfortunately, has lost control of the story. Its not fair, but its the reality of present times.

Why is it always blame game from india.!
They can present proof to icc and put forward their request of not going due to security issues and if they are not coming, SL should come in. Simple

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Why is it always blame game from india.!
They can present proof to icc and put forward their request of not going due to security issues and if they are not coming, SL should come in. Simple

ICC wont risk having a tournament without India, that should be understood by now.

Brother, there is no rationality or cricket logic here. India Pakistan are rivals and India has used its upwards trajectory in the last 2 decades to one-up Pakistan while avoiding outright war. Its not news, Pakistan was isolated by the Western nations before too. Aussies used to find every excuse to skip touring Pakistan. I see a lots and lots of naive comments about how old times were better at ICC from some Pakistani posters. England and Aussies have never been friendly to Pakistan.
Australia has visited Pakistan only once since 1998 for a test series , while India visited 2 times in 2004 and 2006.

Despite all the animosity between India and Pakistan, India has visited Pakistan a total of 7 times for tests.
Now look at how the English and Aussies have toured the sub continent. Pakistan is even below Sri Lanka in preference list when you account that Sri Lanka only had test status since 1981 and had decades of civil war). The recent tours have been forced on Aus and England by the WTC.



Australia test tours to sub continent

India	15
Pakistan	9	(56,59, 64,80, 82, 88, 94,98,2022)
Sri Lanka (test status 1981, civil war )	7	(83, 92, 99, 04,11,16,22)
Bangladesh (test status 2000)	2	(06,11)

England test tours

India	16
Pakistan	9
Sri Lanka	8
Bangladesh	3

Almost all posters have forgotten how BCCI stood by PCB, when Australia refused to tour Pakistan in early 2008. BCCI stood by PCB and all Asian nations participated in Asia Cup in Pakistan.

Pakistan posters simply dont understand how deeply scarring the Mumbai attacks of 26/11 were for Indian public. Trust me, when I say, there was plenty of jubilation in Pakistani social media during those 3 days of terror. Pakistan is simply paying the cost of that.

So here is the Indian POV, "we stood by Pakistan when westerners were ditching them. What did we get? Siege on our greatest city. Why should we care about Pakistan? What good did it do to us by trying to build bridges"
A lot can be added in response, but that's where the Indian perspective is, and world cricket cant move without India. World cricket has alternatives to Pakistan but not for India. That's the hard reality for PCB.

 

[arunp]

ICC wont risk having a tournament without India, that should be understood by now.

Brother, there is no rationality or cricket logic here. India Pakistan are rivals and India has used its upwards trajectory in the last 2 decades to one-up Pakistan while avoiding outright war. Its not news, Pakistan was isolated by the Western nations before too. Aussies used to find every excuse to skip touring Pakistan. I see a lots and lots of naive comments about how old times were better at ICC from some Pakistani posters. England and Aussies have never been friendly to Pakistan.
Australia has visited Pakistan only once since 1998 for a test series , while India visited 2 times in 2004 and 2006.

Despite all the animosity between India and Pakistan, India has visited Pakistan a total of 7 times for tests.
Now look at how the English and Aussies have toured the sub continent. Pakistan is even below Sri Lanka in preference list when you account that Sri Lanka only had test status since 1981 and had decades of civil war). The recent tours have been forced on Aus and England by the WTC.

I have been saying that for a while. Hard Truth is ICC needs BCCI. PCB not so much. Replace ICC with World, BCCI with India and the statement still holds true.
I do not see any possibility of rapprochement either in Ind-Pak ties or BCCI-PCB ties.
Due to the self confidence in Indians(which Pakistanis often mistake for hatred), Indians will demand no less

 

[BouncerGuy]

This thread is not about political talks. Keep it for cricket and the champions trophy only. Thanks

 

[kingusama92]

Pakistan posters simply dont understand how deeply scarring the Mumbai attacks of 26/11 were for Indian public. Trust me, when I say, there was plenty of jubilation in Pakistani social media during those 3 days of terror. Pakistan is simply paying the cost of that.

So here is the Indian POV, "we stood by Pakistan when westerners were ditching them. What did we get? Siege on our greatest city. Why should we care about Pakistan? What good did it do to us by trying to build bridges"
A lot can be added in response, but that's where the Indian perspective is, and world cricket cant move without India. World cricket has alternatives to Pakistan but not for India. That's the hard reality for PCB.

It's an interesting POV.

I always wonder though, why isn't it a complete cut?

Why does India play Pakistan in ICC tournaments, invite them for World Cups (in fact Hyderabad was loudly cheering for the team), and play them in Asia Cups?

Mumbai victims should be respected and honoured in all situations. If I feel someone hurt my family, I am not doing this half-and-half business.

Even aside from this, we can extend this to supplementary international events too.

Why are Indians playing against Pakistan in the WCL? Why are Indian millionaires/billionaires inviting Pakistanis to such tournaments too and putting money into Pakistani pockets?

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

It's an interesting POV.

I always wonder though, why isn't it a complete cut?

Why does India play Pakistan in ICC tournaments, invite them for World Cups (in fact Hyderabad was loudly cheering for the team), and play them in Asia Cups?

Mumbai victims should be respected and honoured in all situations. If I feel someone hurt my family, I am not doing this half-and-half business.

Even aside from this, we can extend this to supplementary international events too.

Why are Indians playing against Pakistan in the WCL? Why are Indian millionaires/billionaires inviting Pakistanis to such tournaments too and putting money into Pakistani pockets?

As moderators pointed out, this discussion will go way beyond the cricket aspect. We can do that in a fresh thread

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nothing official yet by ACB but doesnt matter if they come or not because their participation is totally irrelevant as per their weight in cricketing world.

They were the semifinalists in the last ICC event. They finished higher than BD SL and Eng in the last WC.

 

[Sir Alex]

It happened in Lanka as well 1996, Aus and WI didn’t go to Lanka and they were awarded both games.

The problem is broadcasters that make money from Indian games and in this case PCB will..

That's because India and Pakistan came together in a rare moment for SL and even organized a combined XI series in SL. It was the definitive moment when the rest of the world realized that the true cricket power had well and truly shifted to Asian bloc from the Anglosphere.

 

[Mesozoic]

Why does India play Pakistan in ICC tournaments, invite them for World Cups (in fact Hyderabad was loudly cheering for the team), and play them in Asia Cups?

Because it is an obligation. Playing bilaterals against or visiting Pakistan is certainly not.

Dont know why Pakistanis have such tough time understanding this simple a thing. 16 years of Indians educating them on this but still such tone deaf questions are everywhere to see.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Because it is an obligation. Playing bilaterals against or visiting Pakistan is certainly not.

Dont know why Pakistanis have such tough time understanding this simple a thing. 16 years of Indians educating them on this but still such tone deaf questions are everywhere to see.

This is an ICC tournament and for that they have to visit Pakistan, if they don't want to come, then simply forfeit and let SL play this event instead.

No need to make a lobby against Pakistan and move this event outside of Pakistan.

 

[kingusama92]

Because it is an obligation. Playing bilaterals against or visiting Pakistan is certainly not.

Dont know why Pakistanis have such tough time understanding this simple a thing. 16 years of Indians educating them on this but still such tone deaf questions are everywhere to see.

Cheering passionately for the Pakistani team in Hyderabad was an obligation?

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

This is an ICC tournament and for that they have to visit Pakistan, if they don't want to come, then simply forfeit and let SL play this event instead.

No need to make a lobby against Pakistan and move this event outside of Pakistan.

Everyone has the right to lobby for their own cause. PCB has its own stand and BCCI has its own. PCB hasn't made life easier for BCCI and BCCI is not doing any favors for PCB. and ICC will take a call which is in best interests of ICC not PCB not BCCI. It sucks for PCB that ICC and BCCI's interests are aligned right now.
So, I dont understand why Pakistani posters feel the need to dictate what BCCI should or should not be doing.

 

[Mesozoic]

This is an ICC tournament and for that they have to visit Pakistan, if they don't want to come, then simply forfeit and let SL play this event instead.

No need to make a lobby against Pakistan and move this event outside of Pakistan.

"Simply forfeit and let Sri Lanka play" ..


Things are not that black and white, my friend. PCB will be the first ones to bend their knee infront of the BCCI and get them on a flight to Dubai just to ensure Indian participation.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Cheering passionately for the Pakistani team in Hyderabad was an obligation?

That was bade dil welcome from Hyderabad. Thanks for remembering that. Many simply focus on Ahmedabadi crowd behavior

 

[Mesozoic]

Cheering passionately for the Pakistani team in Hyderabad was an obligation?

I was talking about the "Why you guys play against us in ICC/ACC events part" ?

A certain tiny section among 1.4 billion cheering for Pakistan doesn't mean anything.

 

[Sir Alex]

Cheering passionately for the Pakistani team in Hyderabad was an obligation?

I really don't understand your problem

When fans cheer unilaterally in favor of India at Ahmedabad, it is a problem

And when some.cheer for Pakistan at Hyderabad its also a problem ?

India is not a China where each individual is expected to act like a curated drone with no individuality. While there's still some way to go, Indians have reasonable freedom of expression. Cheering for Pakistan comes under that ambit. Even if not considered desirable by many.

 

[Red-Indian]

It's an interesting POV.

I always wonder though, why isn't it a complete cut?

Why does India play Pakistan in ICC tournaments, invite them for World Cups (in fact Hyderabad was loudly cheering for the team), and play them in Asia Cups?

Mumbai victims should be respected and honoured in all situations. If I feel someone hurt my family, I am not doing this half-and-half business.

Even aside from this, we can extend this to supplementary international events too.

Why are Indians playing against Pakistan in the WCL? Why are Indian millionaires/billionaires inviting Pakistanis to such tournaments too and putting money into Pakistani pockets?

If you ignore the simplistic narratives, it's very obvious that especially in the north of India, it's a love hate relationship with Pakistan. There's a lot of love for individual Pakistanis (I doubt Wasim Akram will be able to pay out of his own pocket for a meal in India) but a lot of hate for Pakistan as a nation - for both logical and illogical reasons. There's a reason why there are so many Indians on a forum. I say north because there isn't the same emotional resonance in the south. Even southern Muslims don't really think of Pakistan as a nation they could've migrated to.

The policy of the current Indian government on Pakistan is clear - isolate Pakistan in every way possible but don't push too far to have it collapse as a nation. Just enough to keep it weak and always teetering on the edge of economic collapse.

Cricket's a typical expression of that policy. The government and it's extension the BCCI aren't actually trying to push Pakistan out of world cricket (I doubt they could if they tried). Just isolate, marginalise and prevent from making money.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If you ignore the simplistic narratives, it's very obvious that especially in the north of India, it's a love hate relationship with Pakistan. There's a lot of love for individual Pakistanis (I doubt Wasim Akram will be able to pay out of his own pocket for a meal in India) but a lot of hate for Pakistan as a nation - for both logical and illogical reasons. There's a reason why there are so many Indians on a forum. I say north because there isn't the same emotional resonance in the south. Even southern Muslims don't really think of Pakistan as a nation they could've migrated to.

The policy of the current Indian government on Pakistan is clear - isolate Pakistan in every way possible but don't push too far to have it collapse as a nation. Just enough to keep it weak and always teetering on the edge of economic collapse.

Cricket's a typical expression of that policy. The government and it's extension the BCCI aren't actually trying to push Pakistan out of world cricket (I doubt they could if they tried). Just isolate, marginalise and prevent from making money.

What are the illogical reasons to consider Pakistan as a hostile nation?

 

[JaDed]

That's because India and Pakistan came together in a rare moment for SL and even organized a combined XI series in SL. It was the definitive moment when the rest of the world realized that the true cricket power had well and truly shifted to Asian bloc from the Anglosphere.

Dalmiya the legend, not to forget CT 1998, one of the cornerstones of ICC realising they can make money and have funds.

 

[BouncerGuy]

This thread has nothing to do with terrorism, china, or other such political stuff. If you guys cannot stop with this stuff, might as well find an other thread and leave this one.

 

[Kianig89]

Pcb is weak and cash strapped , reality
ICC is toothless and numb, reality
BCCI is flexing its muscle, reality
GOI is arrogant and cunning , reality

That's the factual situation for CT not being held in Pakistan completely

 

[nuttyprof]

Pcb is weak and cash strapped , reality
ICC is toothless and numb, reality
BCCI is flexing its muscle, reality
GOI is arrogant and cunning , reality

That's the factual situation for CT not being held in Pakistan completely

I would prefer muscular, arrogant and cunning over weak, confused and subservient.

 

[kingusama92]

If you ignore the simplistic narratives, it's very obvious that especially in the north of India, it's a love hate relationship with Pakistan. There's a lot of love for individual Pakistanis (I doubt Wasim Akram will be able to pay out of his own pocket for a meal in India) but a lot of hate for Pakistan as a nation - for both logical and illogical reasons. There's a reason why there are so many Indians on a forum. I say north because there isn't the same emotional resonance in the south. Even southern Muslims don't really think of Pakistan as a nation they could've migrated to.

The policy of the current Indian government on Pakistan is clear - isolate Pakistan in every way possible but don't push too far to have it collapse as a nation. Just enough to keep it weak and always teetering on the edge of economic collapse.

Cricket's a typical expression of that policy. The government and it's extension the BCCI aren't actually trying to push Pakistan out of world cricket (I doubt they could if they tried). Just isolate, marginalise and prevent from making money.

Fair points and I do agree with your assessment.

It's not as cut and dry as some posters make it. It's simply a government policy applied here and there based on India's standing within that category.

 

[kingusama92]

I think India does this based on convenience. They have no real stand on these matters.

Bollywood cuts Pakistan artists, yet their Punjab industry happily calls them. The cricket team doesn't want to visit, but the tennis and baseball teams come over.

This is just my assessment.

 

[arunp]

I think India does this based on convenience. They have no real stand on these matters.

Bollywood cuts Pakistan artists, yet their Punjab industry happily calls them. The cricket team doesn't want to visit, but the tennis and baseball teams come over.

This is just my assessment.

India is a law enforcement deficit state. Government in general is inertial, unless public pressure or business pressure pushes it in one direction. So you will see rules being enforced in high profile situations.

 

[rpant_gabba]

I think India does this based on convenience. They have no real stand on these matters.

Bollywood cuts Pakistan artists, yet their Punjab industry happily calls them. The cricket team doesn't want to visit, but the tennis and baseball teams come over.

This is just my assessment.

A lot of this reflects on the governance model in India. Their is segment of Punjab which for economic, other emotional reasons such religious connections and willing to irritate the central governments in delhi wants to have a trading relationship with pakistan while overlooking pak establishment actions against India.

That is descpicable IMO, but it is what is

 

[Red-Indian]

Fair points and I do agree with your assessment.

It's not as cut and dry as some posters make it. It's simply a government policy applied here and there based on India's standing within that category.

Yes @arunp put it better than I could. Sport politics just like every other politics is not a pretty game. The Indian government is using it's limited leverage best as it can buy it's not some super-principled policy like some Indian posters are making it out to be.

The Pakistani government and it's extension the PCB should take this account and play the game without making a fool of itself screaming about justice and fairness in a world that doesn't care about it. To be honest, this administration has been a lot more sensible than a couple of previous ones. Najam and Rameez's shrill speeches and empty threats on the Asia cup were more amusing than useful. The current regime has countered leaks with leaks and kept it low profile while refraining from issuing any definitive statements and working the backchannels. Doesn't seem like it'll work given the power imbalance but it's a lot more dignified than earlier

 

[BouncerGuy]

There is not real solution to this thing until India separates politics from cricket. IF BCCI is interested they would have sent some positive signals from their side that they are willing to come but it is their GOv that is having some reservations and it would have sounded fine but so far, BCCI is just ignorant.

 

[rpant_gabba]

There is not real solution to this thing until India separates politics from cricket. IF BCCI is interested they would have sent some positive signals from their side that they are willing to come but it is their GOv that is having some reservations and it would have sounded fine but so far, BCCI is just ignorant.

LMAO. Pak was happy to mix politics with sport when it was convenient to them.

Its comical how all of sudden "politics and sports should not be mixed" has become pak fans mantra

 

[Red-Indian]

LMAO. Pak was happy to mix politics with sport when it was convenient to them.

Its comical how all of sudden "politics and sports should not be mixed" has become pak fans mantra

Yeah it's amusing. I'm not sure why sports should not be mixed with politics is so self-evident. Why not art should not be mixed with politics or trade should not be mixed with politics?

Pakistan holds China as a shining example of moral rectitude. Yet China firmly mixes sport with politics - they refuse to play with Taiwan if it calls itself with that. On the other hand, they refuse to mix trade with politics. China is Taiwan's biggest trading partner.

 

[BouncerGuy]

LMAO. Pak was happy to mix politics with sport when it was convenient to them.

Its comical how all of sudden "politics and sports should not be mixed" has become pak fans mantra

PCB is a small board and does not have the same say in ICC as BCCI does. Pakistan traveled to India despite India making a mess in Asia cup. So yeah. PCB has no real politics behind any decision in recent times.

 

[rpant_gabba]

PCB is a small board and does not have the same say in ICC as BCCI does. Pakistan traveled to India despite India making a mess in Asia cup. So yeah. PCB has no real politics behind any decision in recent times.

LMAO. Please.

PCB didn't do what they did out of goodness of their heart. They did it becos they were out of options

 

[rpant_gabba]

Yeah it's amusing. I'm not sure why sports should not be mixed with politics is so self-evident. Why not art should not be mixed with politics or trade should not be mixed with politics?

Pakistan holds China as a shining example of moral rectitude. Yet China firmly mixes sport with politics - they refuse to play with Taiwan if it calls itself with that. On the other hand, they refuse to mix trade with politics. China is Taiwan's biggest trading partner.

SO tell why exactly you think there something positive will come out in India opening any kinda of dialogue with Pak establishment?

 

[Red-Indian]

SO tell why exactly you think there something positive will come out in India opening any kinda of dialogue with Pak establishment?

We'll never end this discussion. We're forced to be neighbours by geography and history. Eventually, we'll both have to find a way to live together

I think it's an inevitability that dialogue will happen. This is as good a time as any. They're in dire straits economically and we're in the ascendant. Can we get them to accept the status quo of the current borders as final?

 

[BouncerGuy]

LMAO. Please.

PCB didn't do what they did out of goodness of their heart. They did it becos they were out of options

Who ran them out of options???? Some alien came???

It was an ICC event so Pakistan went to India. Simple.
But Asia cup was totally BCCI's game.

 

[Sir Alex]

Yes @arunp put it better than I could. Sport politics just like every other politics is not a pretty game. The Indian government is using it's limited leverage best as it can buy it's not some super-principled policy like some Indian posters are making it out to be.

The Pakistani government and it's extension the PCB should take this account and play the game without making a fool of itself screaming about justice and fairness in a world that doesn't care about it. To be honest, this administration has been a lot more sensible than a couple of previous ones. Najam and Rameez's shrill speeches and empty threats on the Asia cup were more amusing than useful. The current regime has countered leaks with leaks and kept it low profile while refraining from issuing any definitive statements and working the backchannels. Doesn't seem like it'll work given the power imbalance but it's a lot more dignified than earlier

True.

Ramiz era was a joke. It took back Indo Pak cricketing relations back by a decade at least. Silly posturing with inane statements with no idea about ground reality. He thought that such stances made him look somehow strong but in reality it just showed how weak and vain he was lol.

 

[Red-Indian]

PCB is a small board and does not have the same say in ICC as BCCI does. Pakistan traveled to India despite India making a mess in Asia cup. So yeah. PCB has no real politics behind any decision in recent times.

PCB IS politics. The 3rd party literally runs the national team. They have training camps in army facilities. The interior minister is the PCB chairman. I'm not sure how much more political the PCB can be. After a lot of statements threatening they wouldn't, they weighed the politics of traveling to India for the World Cup and decided in favour. If you believe it was out of respect for the sport and the ICC, I'm not sure what to say to you.

 

[BouncerGuy]

PCB IS politics. The 3rd party literally runs the national team. They have training camps in army facilities. The interior minister is the PCB chairman. I'm not sure how much more political the PCB can be. After a lot of statements threatening they wouldn't, they weighed the politics of traveling to India for the World Cup and decided in favour. If you believe it was out of respect for the sport and the ICC, I'm not sure what to say to you.

PCB might have too much political influence within but now ICC has made Pakistan host.

There is no reals security threat as we have seen many team visiting Pakistan in recent Past. WHat is keeping BCCI away??

 

[BouncerGuy]

I suppose it's the same as what keeps China from playing in Taiwan, USA from playing in Cuba, Pakistan/Iran from playing in Israel, England and a bunch of countries from playing in Russia - the Indian government considers Pakistan a hostile nation.

OK Bro... WHatever you say.

I want to see cricket. No matter if India comes or not, I want to see the event go on as planned.

 

[Red-Indian]

OK Bro... WHatever you say.

I want to see cricket. No matter if India comes or not, I want to see the event go on as planned.

Agreed. So would I. At a personal level, I would love to see India play in Pakistan in the Champions Trophy.

However I understand the Indian government's policy on this. Just as I understand why the government forces Iranian athletes to forfeit games against Israelis. The countries have hostile relationships and it is difficult...no impossible to separate politics from sports.

Note that I don't say I support this mixing of sports/trade/art and politics though. Just that I understand it

 

[rpant_gabba]

Who ran them out of options???? Some alien came???

It was an ICC event so Pakistan went to India. Simple.
But Asia cup was totally BCCI's game.

Najam Sethi/Wasim Khan & Zaka insisted there has to be hybrid model for WC23 other wise Pak won't participate. they wre told WI will replace them and Pak will not get participation fee.

PCB chose money.

All this discussed in gory detail.

 

[arunp]

PCB is a small board and does not have the same say in ICC as BCCI does. Pakistan traveled to India despite India making a mess in Asia cup. So yeah. PCB has no real politics behind any decision in recent times.

PCB had no real options. The only other option was to be out of ICC. Btw Pakistan mixes politics with sports. Does not play sports with Israel. Western bloc ocstracizes not just Russian teams, but Russian citizens. They even penalize former Russians who are not now naturalized American citizens.
Politics and sports always for a potent mix.

 

[rpant_gabba]

We'll never end this discussion. We're forced to be neighbours by geography and history. Eventually, we'll both have to find a way to live together

I think it's an inevitability that dialogue will happen. This is as good a time as any. They're in dire straits economically and we're in the ascendant. Can we get them to accept the status quo of the current borders as final?

Take a look at the state of PCB and look at their entitled attitude, them seeking parity with BCCI.

Let them continue their slide. I don;t personally see a light at teg end of teh tunnel for them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

PCB is a small board and does not have the same say in ICC as BCCI does. Pakistan traveled to India despite India making a mess in Asia cup. So yeah. PCB has no real politics behind any decision in recent times.

PCB mixed politics with sports when it could. Boycotted Indian tours citing Kashmir and Babri masjid as reasons. That's early 90s

Now PCB knows they have no leverage and that they will lose millions if they don't play ICC events.

IPL ban has taught PCB the lesson that in scheme of revenue generation they don't matter much.

 

[nuttyprof]

We'll never end this discussion. We're forced to be neighbours by geography and history. Eventually, we'll both have to find a way to live together

I think it's an inevitability that dialogue will happen. This is as good a time as any. They're in dire straits economically and we're in the ascendant. Can we get them to accept the status quo of the current borders as final?

Israel and it’s neighbors don’t see eye to eye.
USA and it’s neighbors are not equal. Canada and Mexico have accepted their vassal state status.
China-Vietnam don’t like each other.
China-Philippines aren’t particularly fond of each other.
As long as India-Pakistan power differential increases, India can safely continue to ignore them and de-hyphenate from them.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

PCB is a small board and does not have the same say in ICC as BCCI does. Pakistan traveled to India despite India making a mess in Asia cup. So yeah. PCB has no real politics behind any decision in recent times.

That's not true bhai. PCB has no muscle against BCCI that doesnt mean it hasnt been using politics where it can use its muscles. I dont get where this misconception of PCB not being political is being created.

Pakistan bans its cricketers from the Afghan T20 league

ISLAMABAD (AP) — The Pakistan Cricket Board has stopped its players from competing in Afghanistan's domestic Twenty20 league. Karman Akmal, Umar Akmal and Babar Azam were among those Pakistan players contracted by franchises to compete in Shpageeza Cricket League, starting in Kabul from July 18...

apnews.com

Pakistan bans its cricketers from the Afghan T20 league​

ISLAMABAD (AP) — The Pakistan Cricket Board has stopped its players from competing in Afghanistan’s domestic Twenty20 league.

Karman Akmal, Umar Akmal and Babar Azam were among those Pakistan players contracted by franchises to compete in Shpageeza Cricket League, starting in Kabul from July 18.

But the PCB said in a statement Friday that none of the Pakistan players or the coaches will be issued the required No Objection Certificate for the league in Afghanistan.

“No Pakistani player or official can feature in the league,” the PCB said.

Ties between the Afghanistan Cricket Board and the PCB have become tense in the aftermath of Wednesday’s bomb attack in Kabul, which killed at least 90 people.

 

[Kianig89]

That's not true bhai. PCB has no muscle against BCCI that doesnt mean it hasnt been using politics where it can use its muscles. I dont get where this misconception of PCB not being political is being created.

Pakistan bans its cricketers from the Afghan T20 league

ISLAMABAD (AP) — The Pakistan Cricket Board has stopped its players from competing in Afghanistan's domestic Twenty20 league. Karman Akmal, Umar Akmal and Babar Azam were among those Pakistan players contracted by franchises to compete in Shpageeza Cricket League, starting in Kabul from July 18...

apnews.com

Pakistan bans its cricketers from the Afghan T20 league​

ISLAMABAD (AP) — The Pakistan Cricket Board has stopped its players from competing in Afghanistan’s domestic Twenty20 league.

Karman Akmal, Umar Akmal and Babar Azam were among those Pakistan players contracted by franchises to compete in Shpageeza Cricket League, starting in Kabul from July 18.

But the PCB said in a statement Friday that none of the Pakistan players or the coaches will be issued the required No Objection Certificate for the league in Afghanistan.

“No Pakistani player or official can feature in the league,” the PCB said.

Ties between the Afghanistan Cricket Board and the PCB have become tense in the aftermath of Wednesday’s bomb attack in Kabul, which killed at least 90 people.

Hats off to Pakistan players they wanna play every league, what next our players travelling to Cambodia for a T20 league

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Just host in UAE, The flight from England to Pakistan is 8 hrs, lol at people asking the schedule to be co hosted between these 2 countries.

Jet lag will eat every team alive. So might as well just give India the trophy lol.

The simplest solution is to tell India to get lost from CT or host the entire tournament in UAE if bcci is such a drama queen.

Or how about a revolutionary idea takes place where the governing body actually governs.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Please, do not derail the thread with terrorism talk and stuff.

 

[U$ofA]

PCB might have too much political influence within but now ICC has made Pakistan host.

There is no reals security threat as we have seen many team visiting Pakistan in recent Past. WHat is keeping BCCI away??

Govt. of India.

 

[U$ofA]

OK Bro... WHatever you say.

I want to see cricket. No matter if India comes or not, I want to see the event go on as planned.

As it should. Throw out India, bring in SL and there you have it.

 

[mominsaigol]

Ct 2015 will be such a horror show for pakistan.

Not only will the hosting rights be shared courtesy of bcci, but this time pakistan will lose their defending champions title as pakistan has no hope of winning ct.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Ct 2015 will be such a horror show for pakistan.

Not only will the hosting rights be shared courtesy of bcci, but this time pakistan will lose their defending champions title as pakistan has no hope of winning ct.

Actually Pakistan has greater chance of winning ODI trophy because Babars game is more suited to the pace.

 

[FearlessRoar]

PCB prepares Champions Trophy budget in consultation with ICC​

The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has finalized the budget for the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 in consultation with the International Cricket Council (ICC). The budget was prepared by ICC Chief Finance Officer Ankur Khanna and PCB CFO Javed Murtaza.

The PCB Chairman, Mohsin Naqvi, and CEO, Salman Naseer, will depart for Colombo on July 18 to represent Pakistan at the ICC’s annual meetings, which begin on July 19.

Sources reveal that the ICC Champions Trophy budget will be presented for approval on July 22 during the Colombo meetings. The budget, developed jointly by the ICC and PCB, will be the sole agenda item for the day.

No other proposals, including a hybrid model or any additional or emergency budget, will be discussed.

Pakistan is set to host the ICC Champions Trophy from February 19 to March 9, 2025. Pitches and grounds are currently being prepared according to the instructions of ICC curator Andy Atkinson.

An ICC delegation is expected to visit Pakistan in October to review the Champions Trophy arrangements. This will be the fourth delegation to visit Pakistan to oversee preparations for the tournament.

PCB prepares Champions Trophy budget in consultation with ICC

Pakistan is set to host the ICC Champions Trophy from February 19 to March 9

english.aaj.tv

 

[mominsaigol]

Actually Pakistan has greater chance of winning ODI trophy because Babars game is more suited to the pace.

I agree, Pakistan's odi team may be better then t20.

But it's unbalanced still.

Abdullah shafiq, Fakhar and Babar is a good combo at the top.

But no 4 to no 7 are very weak. Rizwan at no 4 preceeded by Babar and Abdullah creates a test line up, saud and Abdullah as a result are out of position at 5 to 6 and pakistan insistence in chacha and shadab weakens the lineup.

Pakistan needs saud at 4, Tayyab tahir at 6 Salman Ali agha at 5 and haris at 7 to make a good team.

Rizwan, Chacha and Shadab completly ruins the lineup and I'm 100% sure @Rana And @emranabbas Would agree. Theirs no way they would endorse rizwan, shadab and chacha in the MO and think these 3 in the MO gives us a chance of replicating 2017

 

[emranabbas]

Actually Pakistan has greater chance of winning ODI trophy because Babars game is more suited to the pace.

Babar's game is only suitable for ODIs when he plays T20s. When he plays ODIs, he plays like it's a Test match.

 

[Red-Indian]

I agree, Pakistan's odi team may be better then t20.

But it's unbalanced still.

Abdullah shafiq, Fakhar and Babar is a good combo at the top.

But no 4 to no 7 are very weak. Rizwan at no 4 preceeded by Babar and Abdullah creates a test line up, saud and Abdullah as a result are out of position at 5 to 6 and pakistan insistence in chacha and shadab weakens the lineup.

Pakistan needs saud at 4, Tayyab tahir at 6 Salman Ali agha at 5 and haris at 7 to make a good team.

Rizwan, Chacha and Shadab completly ruins the lineup and I'm 100% sure @Rana And @emranabbas Would agree. Theirs no way they would endorse rizwan, shadab and chacha in the MO and think these 3 in the MO gives us a chance of replicating 2017

To be honest, many teams are struggling for middle order batters who can either consolidate and/or be aggressive at need, play spin well and rotate the strike. T20 doesn't produce those kind of cricketers. It's either top order powerplay users or finishers. Just see how India Surya experiment flopped.

India (if it plays) will have a solid top order in Rohit, Jaiswal (should be preferred over Gill) and Kohli
Good finishing kick in Pandya and Axar
The middle order is the tricky one. Candidates are Gill, Iyer, Rahul, Pant. Each have their pros and cons and all would probably prefer to play higher up the order.

 

[mominsaigol]

To be honest, many teams are struggling for middle order batters who can either consolidate and/or be aggressive at need, play spin well and rotate the strike. T20 doesn't produce those kind of cricketers. It's either top order powerplay users or finishers. Just see how India Surya experiment flopped.

India (if it plays) will have a solid top order in Rohit, Jaiswal (should be preferred over Gill) and Kohli
Good finishing kick in Pandya and Axar
The middle order is the tricky one. Candidates are Gill, Iyer, Rahul, Pant. Each have their pros and cons and all would probably prefer to play higher up the order.

Unlike t20, odi needs to be played with a mix of strikers and accumulators. You can't go bamg bang unless your England playing in home conditions.

Australia's strategy was correct from 2015 to 2023 often equipping the team with a mix of strikers (Warner, Travis, Maxwell, Stones etc etc) and a mix of accumulators (Labu, Smith, Wade etc)

Sky in odi may have backfired however India's overall approach is the right one but the execution isn't perfect as of yet.

If Pakistan goes with the same lineup that they did initially in 2023 for this CT, then they can forget about competing.

1) Abdullah
2) Imam
3) Babar
4) Rizwan
5) Saud
6) Chacha
7) Shadab
8) Nawaz

^^ This is a test line up and with the exception of the sri lanka game, this lineup was making 180-280 scores on video game indian pitches. No wonder Afghanistan, England, India and Australia tore them apart limb from limb.

Theirs a reason fakhar zaman replacing Imam was such a game changer for pakistan.

I'm in favour of Babar, Abdullah, Saud and Salman Ali agha playing but you have to surround them with strikers.

You can't have all 8 accumulators in the modern era. 2017 had a mix of Strikers and anchorers with the strikers being fakhar, Imad and Hafeez, and anchorers being Babar, azhar, Sarfraz and Malik.

 

[stani_pak]

Agreed. So would I. At a personal level, I would love to see India play in Pakistan in the Champions Trophy.

However I understand the Indian government's policy on this. Just as I understand why the government forces Iranian athletes to forfeit games against Israelis. The countries have hostile relationships and it is difficult...no impossible to separate politics from sports.

Note that I don't say I support this mixing of sports/trade/art and politics though. Just that I understand it

But in that case if India has a strong stance agaisnt Pakistan...than why does it play Pakistan in ICC events...it should forfeit those games too since Pakistan, playing them just in ICC and ACC event makes no sense, a political stance would be not playing them at all

 

[Red-Indian]

Unlike t20, odi needs to be played with a mix of strikers and accumulators. You can't go bamg bang unless your England playing in home conditions.

Australia's strategy was correct from 2015 to 2023 often equipping the team with a mix of strikers (Warner, Travis, Maxwell, Stones etc etc) and a mix of accumulators (Labu, Smith, Wade etc)

Sky in odi may have backfired however India's overall approach is the right one but the execution isn't perfect as of yet.

If Pakistan goes with the same lineup that they did initially in 2023 for this CT, then they can forget about competing.

1) Abdullah
2) Imam
3) Babar
4) Rizwan
5) Saud
6) Chacha
7) Shadab
8) Nawaz

^^ This is a test line up and with the exception of the sri lanka game, this lineup was making 180-280 scores on video game indian pitches. No wonder Afghanistan, England, India and Australia tore them apart limb from limb.

Theirs a reason fakhar zaman replacing Imam was such a game changer for pakistan.

I'm in favour of Babar, Abdullah, Saud and Salman Ali agha playing but you have to surround them with strikers.

You can't have all 8 accumulators in the modern era. 2017 had a mix of Strikers and anchorers with the strikers being fakhar, Imad and Hafeez, and anchorers being Babar, azhar, Sarfraz and Malik.

Of course. If there's one thing the last World cup taught us, it's that par score has gone to well above 300. Everyone has to attack even in ODIs. You just have to have the ability to rotate the strike as well. No one with a strike rate below 100 can play.

 

[Rana]

Babar's game is only suitable for ODIs when he plays T20s. When he plays ODIs, he plays like it's a Test match.

His best format is Test cricket. Plays that format in the right manner. Started off well in ODI’s but is starting to lose his way.

Completely lost the plot in T20s!

 

[Red-Indian]

But in that case if India has a strong stance agaisnt Pakistan...than why does it play Pakistan in ICC events...it should forfeit those games too since Pakistan, playing them just in ICC and ACC event makes no sense, a political stance would be not playing them at all

You're looking too hard for a consistent principle. India's not looking to harm itself with this stance only harm Pakistan. Therefore, India will stretch it's hostility to whatever it can get away with without losing something itself.

Even in Davis Cup tennis, India pushed and lobbied hard for a change of venue. When the ITF didn't oblige because India is an insignificant tennis nation, the team came over and played. In cricket, India has outsize influence in Cricket so it gets away with more.

 

[mominsaigol]

Of course. If there's one thing the last World cup taught us, it's that par score has gone to well above 300. Everyone has to attack even in ODIs. You just have to have the ability to rotate the strike as well. No one with a strike rate below 100 can play.

In odi playing with accumulators is a must otherwise every game will turn into 1 score of 400 followed by 4 scores of being bowled out for 100.

As I said accumulators + Strikers.

But pakistan has a weird obsession of filling all 8 players with accumulators who are obsessed with 250 being par

 

[Misia]

No point shifting this event to Dubai just for political reasons, its better to add SL and host the complete event in Pakistan.

Agreed, if BCCI wants to play politics let them carry on, Pakistan should stand their ground. just host and add Sri Lanka

 

[stani_pak]

You're looking too hard for a consistent principle. India's not looking to harm itself with this stance only harm Pakistan. Therefore, India will stretch it's hostility to whatever it can get away with without losing something itself.

Even in Davis Cup tennis, India pushed and lobbied hard for a change of venue. When the ITF didn't oblige because India is an insignificant tennis nation, the team came over and played. In cricket, India has outsize influence in Cricket so it gets away with more.

Personally if they have a stance which is important to them, and want to harm Pakistan only, they can not play them in ICC events. In fact if India does not play against Pakistan in ICC or ACC matches, it wont harm India, as they are the biggest contributor to ICC and can easily make money from there other matches, that's just my two cents on the matter, it just does not make sense to me is all I am saying.

 

[nuttyprof]

Personally if they have a stance which is important to them, and want to harm Pakistan only, they can not play them in ICC events. In fact if India does not play against Pakistan in ICC or ACC matches, it wont harm India, as they are the biggest contributor to ICC and can easily make money from there other matches, that's just my two cents on the matter, it just does not make sense to me is all I am

I agree. I don’t think India should interact with Pakistan on any platform until relations improve. However the policymakers must have calibrated (or atleast I hope they did). I know they have escalation ladders. My guess is completely cutting off sporting ties must be at the next escalation level.

 

[The_Last_Samurai]

Agreed, if BCCI wants to play politics let them carry on, Pakistan should stand their ground. just host and add Sri Lanka

This ain't happening...PCB wants revenue generated by BCCI....

 

[BouncerGuy]

Renovation of Gaddafi Stadium Lahore is in progress.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Renovation of Gaddafi Stadium Lahore is in progress.

Happy to know the stadium is undergoing renovations but in my opinion the stadium must be rebuilt. It was a good stadium till 2000s, now it lacks the modern touch. Being the main venue in Pakistan at least this should be rebuilt.

 

[Arajit]

Personally if they have a stance which is important to them, and want to harm Pakistan only, they can not play them in ICC events. In fact if India does not play against Pakistan in ICC or ACC matches, it wont harm India, as they are the biggest contributor to ICC and can easily make money from there other matches, that's just my two cents on the matter, it just does not make sense to me is all I am saying.

I differ.
India not playing Pakistan in ICC and ACC events hurts India as well as all other participating nations due to cut in Sponsorhip revenues to ICC/ACC.
BCCI doesnt want to antagonise ICC/ACC and other nations cricket board by doing this and losen its hold and say in the International Cricket Politics.

While India not playing Pakistan in Bilaterals only hurts India, (But since their sponsorhip deals for home bilaterals allready account for the same with ficed per match fee, without Pakistan Fixtures) They are not going to lose from what they are already getting.

Now India not Playing Pakistan in ICC/ACC events hosted in Pakistan has altogether different scenario. Wherein Security, Indian Public Perception, Benefiting Pakistan financially, Indian Govts Stance overshadows revenue cuts to participating nations, ICC/ACC. Futher they know that ICC/ACC or other Nations including Pakistan will not play and ICC/ACC tournament without India participating and bear the substantial revenue cuts.

Last Asia cup is good example of the same