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Ultimately the decision will be ICCs.PCB. ICC will forward the request to its executive board. PCB will have to put its opinion.
This is perfect opportunity to separate groups for India/Pakistan.
Maybe
Group 1(all matches in Lanka)
India
New Zealand
South Africa
Bangladesh
Group 2(all matches in Pakistan)
Pakistan
Australia
England
Afghanistan
I agree. In fact, Champions Trophy is irrelevant mostly. Not regular part of calendar.The India-Pakistan game is a big moneymaker in these tournaments.
They always want that one guaranteed game.
I agree. In fact, Champions Trophy is irrelevant mostly. Not regular part of calendar.
Only reason they play is probably for India-PAK money match.
But in hybrid model, if they in same group then PAK cannot play at home.
So better if they are in separate groups.
I agree and Pakistan's home games are important for the tournament's atmosphere and gate revenue. It might not be priority #1, but it will be priority #2.
One solution could be having the Indian group games in Dubai and Pakistan's group games in Karachi.
The travel will only be two hours, allowing them to stay in the same group.
What is the ICC but the voice of it's members? If Pakistan had an experienced and veteran Board Chairman who knew the ins and outs of ICC politics, had deep connections with other Boards etc., there was a small chance that they could lobby a majority of other countries to temporarily stand against India, make some sacrifices on revenue and play this in Pakistan excluding India.Ultimately the decision will be ICCs.
If hybrid happens then India and Pakistan should be different groups at least otherwise it will be a farce completely.
I hope the PCB, under Naqvi's leadership, has the guts to reject the Hybrid modePCB has to take a decision.
Accept hybrid model.
Refuse and force ICC to play without India.
Withdraw from CT and any ICC event in India.
Each decision has its separate implications.
I don't like cricket in the UAE because it's like win the toss - win the match. No matter how good a team is, they can lose if they lose the toss. This is how Aaron Finch won the T20 World Cup by winning a record number of tossesColor me surprised..
For cricketing reasons, I hope we play in Sri Lanka as there is no blatant toss advantage to teams fielding first but for logical reasons, Dubai makes more sense due to it's proximity to Pakistan.
The decision hasn't been made yet. Let's wait and see stillWhat is the ICC but the voice of it's members? If Pakistan had an experienced and veteran Board Chairman who knew the ins and outs of ICC politics, had deep connections with other Boards etc., there was a small chance that they could lobby a majority of other countries to temporarily stand against India, make some sacrifices on revenue and play this in Pakistan excluding India.
Instead you have a part-timer who probably has never seen the inside of the ICC boardroom and has no idea what the pressure points are. If the BCCI wants a hybrid series, a hybrid series it will be. The only hope Pakistan had was a background thaw in relations allowing a conciliatory trip.
Moreover, PCB always misses out on good opportunities to remain strong by forfeiting ICC matches with India. If BCCI has a policy of not playing any bilateral series or matches with Pakistan except in ICC events, then Pakistan should boycott all matches against India and forfeit their matches to India in ICC events as a strong protest. Anyhow, we always lose to them in ICC matches without putting up any real competition, so why not forfeit the match, just like what the Aussies and WI used to do against Sri Lanka back in the 90s?Every year BCCI gives PCB an opportunity to take an excuse and boycott/withdraw from these ICC / ACC events and save the team from embarassment.
PCB never learns, they end up participating in the events and end up getting embarassed and humiliated by losing to India and performing poorly.
At least if they boycott the board will appear as a strong board, otherwise the board also appears weak and team is anyhow weak.
Let's see what they do this time.
Replace with Nepal; that would be easy for some stat padding.Play in Pakistan or India should be replaced
Yeah at least we will have full ICC tourney that we haven't since 1996Replace with Nepal; that would be easy for some stat padding.
In my honest opinion, Pakistan should just host the tournament without India then and call sri lanka to play.Breaking news : BCCI just announced that Indian team will not play Champions trophy 2025 in Pakistan
As I mentioned a few days back, Ind will not travel to Pak and it'll be a hybrid model. News media now confirming the same as well. They were waiting for Ind elections and the t20wc to be over before they made the announcement. There is no way pcb is losing the revenue from this tournament.So have this info from the TDP MP's who we know as friends. The high level word internally is Ind is not going to Pak for the CT or I should rather say the Ind gov is not sending the Ind team to Pak and it will be a hybrid model. And they also mentioned Jay Shah's statement - Rohit will be Ind captain in CT means 2 things- it will be an ODI format & that Ind "will" be "participating" in the CT but not "traveling" to Pak. They want to maintain the status quo and dont want to take any chances whether perceived or real - and TDP is totally on board with it as well. They said they would be "absolutely shocked" if Ind team visits Pak. Ultimately though, the final decision is with the Ind gov & defense ministry but they said more or less the decision has been made and it will be a hybrid model with UAE being the preferred option.
“It is BCCI’s own decision not to go for Champions Trophy”: Omar Abdullah
Jammu and Kashmir National Conference leader Omar Abdullah stated that not sending the Indian cricket team to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy is Board of Control for Cricket in India’s (BCCI) decision.
The ICC Champions Trophy will be held next year from February to March 2025 in Pakistan. On Thursday morning, a BCCI source told ANI that India will not travel to Pakistan for the Champions Trophy 2025.”
The BCCI source also stated that the Indian board would inform the International Cricket Council (ICC) to hold its matches in Dubai or Sri Lanka.
Abdullah believes that establishing better relations solely doesn’t fall on India, it is Pakistan’s responsibility as well to improve the relations between both countries.
“What is new in this? Both countries have not played bilateral series for many years, it is BCCI’s own decision not to go for the tournament. I have always said that it is not only our country’s responsibility to establish better relations between these two countries, if better relations are to be made then it is Pakistan’s responsibility too,” Abdullah told reporters.
“The kind of attacks that are happening should not happen, the kind of atmosphere that is there should not be there, Pakistan will also have to play its role in this so that the relations between the two countries improve,” he added.
Since 2008’s Asia Cup, India has not played any cricket tournaments in Pakistan due to tense relationships between both nations.
A bilateral series from December 2012 to January 2013 in India also marked the final bilateral series between the two nations. Since then, both nations have only clashed at ICC tournaments and the Asia Cup.
The Pakistan Cricket Board had proposed to India to play all its matches in one city. ESPNcricinfo had reported that Lahore was chosen as the location where India would play all of their matches. However, the Indian board is not interested in the prospect of travelling to Pakistan. (ANI)
“It is BCCI’s own decision not to go for Champions Trophy”: Omar Abdullah
Jammu and Kashmir National Conference leader Omar Abdullah stated that not sending the Indian cricket team to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy is Board of Control for Cricket in India's (BCCI) decision. The ICC Champions Trophy will be held next year from February to March 2025 in Pakistan...risingkashmir.com
I thought of tagging u .who is your such confidential source? Is he the nri central minister ?As I mentioned a few days back, Ind will not travel to Pak and it'll be a hybrid model. .
In my honest opinion, Pakistan should just host the tournament without India then and call sri lanka to play.
Not having India is an issue as India is a quality team and I love watching them play, but Pakistan should take a stance and host a home tournament.
Agreed no need for IndiaIn my honest opinion, Pakistan should just host the tournament without India then and call sri lanka to play.
Not having India is an issue as India is a quality team and I love watching them play, but Pakistan should take a stance and host a home tournament.
If all the test playing nations minus IND cannot generate revenue from a tournament, then Cricket is in a very sorry state. Besides they might still get media rights in IND anyway. They obviously wont generate as much without IND, but it should still be a profitable tournament for ICC/PCB.
@BDfanforeverI agree.
I cannot think of any other sport where an entire sport is dependent on one country so much (for revenue). ICC should do something to change current status quo.
ICC should do something to change current status quo.
2026 WT20 will be co hosted by India and Sri Lanka .so pakistan can play their matches in Sri Lanka , no problem for india.Play as hybrid.
Just do the same for the T20 world cup in ind.
Ask for a hybrid model and if it doesn't happen, then pull out of the T20 cup.
Pretty stupid to think the icc will play without ind because the hard truth is they bring in most of the revenue.
This is the only fair system.
Some fans are sarcastic too..they may chant 'Kohli nahi hota tuj se chase'I'm eager to watch reaction of Pakistani fans when Kohli arrives to batting... I'm sure he'll get loudest ever reaction. Even louder than Babar or Afridi.
If India and ICC can afford to consider the Pak games as. forfeited. Not too different than Aus/England not playing in SL or in Zimbabwe.Play as hybrid.
Just do the same for the T20 world cup in ind.
Ask for a hybrid model and if it doesn't happen, then pull out of the T20 cup.
Pretty stupid to think the icc will play without ind because the hard truth is they bring in most of the revenue.
This is the only fair system.
Sure. India and ICC can afford the consider the games as forfeited without significant loss to the treasury.Play as hybrid.
Just do the same for the T20 world cup in ind.
Ask for a hybrid model and if it doesn't happen, then pull out of the T20 cup.
Pretty stupid to think the icc will play without ind because the hard truth is they bring in most of the revenue.
This is the only fair system.
Sure, hell will be frozen over and pigs will flySure. India and ICC can afford the consider the games as forfeited without significant loss to the treasury.
India can afford to ignore the lost revenue with Pakistan not coming to India. But Pakistan/PCB cannot afford revenue losses.Sure, hell will be frozen over and pigs will fly
Sorry, I thought you meant that bcci will play hybrid format but forfeit the resultsIndia can afford to ignore the lost revenue with Pakistan not coming to India. But Pakistan/PCB cannot afford revenue losses.
My bad. I could not edit the answer. I know I was not very clear. Pakistan will have to visit india during 2026 WC, but India can afford to have a hybrid model.Sorry, I thought you meant that bcci will play hybrid format but forfeit the results
But why would they? BCCI is not going to agree to a hybrid model for a tournament in IndiaMy bad. I could not edit the answer. I know I was not very clear. Pakistan will have to visit india during 2026 WC, but India can afford to have a hybrid model.
Well India is a huge country, it is akin to entire Europe boycotting a FIFA tournament.I agree.
I cannot think of any other sport where an entire sport is dependent on one country so much (for revenue). ICC should do something to change current status quo.
Even Woolf agrees in his report.I agree.
I cannot think of any other sport where an entire sport is dependent on one country so much (for revenue). ICC should do something to change current status quo.
Ofc they can.Sure. India and ICC can afford the consider the games as forfeited without significant loss to the treasury.
SL v BD, let's gooo!! That drama is better than Ind V Pak these daysIn my honest opinion, Pakistan should just host the tournament without India then and call sri lanka to play.
Not having India is an issue as India is a quality team and I love watching them play, but Pakistan should take a stance and host a home tournament.
Even Woolf agrees in his report.
What’s your solution?
Here I thought you had a solution for the revenue issue. You are just talking about controlling BCCI. Good luck with thatICC has to be firm. It shouldn't allow a hybrid model just because of one team.
During 2003 World Cup, England didn't play Zimbabwe and New Zealand didn't play Kenya. Games were awarded to Zimbabwe and Kenya. ICC should be consistent with all teams. No preferential treatment.
Question is, does Pakistan have the stones to do it? History says otherwiseTime to test it out. Kick India out of the Tournament and play without them, Sri Lanka usually plays well in Pakistan and will be a great addition. If this game only works through one cry babies then it's in a pathetic state and needs an update. Knowing ICC and Pakistan's current mafia government who would do anything for money, they will force PCB to play in two countries. PCB must walk out if the whole tournament isn't going to be in Pakistan
Sure. Pak will end up forfeiting the games it refuses to attend.Ofc they can.
No point of Pak traveling to ind if it isn't a hybrid model.
Fair for everyone.
And do you think with India not playing the games, broadcasters will cough up big money ?ICC has to be firm. It shouldn't allow a hybrid model just because of one team.
During 2003 World Cup, England didn't play Zimbabwe and New Zealand didn't play Kenya. Games were awarded to Zimbabwe and Kenya. ICC should be consistent with all teams. No preferential treatment.
My bet is PCB will parrot “Politics separate from sports” when it cannot afford to boycott and travel to India(Ahmedabad??). You need wealth to be able to afford morals.Sure. Pak will end up forfeiting the games it refuses to attend.
And do you think with India not playing the games, broadcasters will cough up big money ?
Why don’t to present a few options?ICC has to figure out a way to fund games without depending on one
So?Sure. Pak will end up forfeiting the games it refuses to attend.
Don’t think Pak cares about the forfeit. They do care about the moneySo?
Going without a world event isn't a big difference.
Another one will happen in 2027 anyway.
Its almost as if you have no sense of history.What is the ICC but the voice of it's members? If Pakistan had an experienced and veteran Board Chairman who knew the ins and outs of ICC politics, had deep connections with other Boards etc., there was a small chance that they could lobby a majority of other countries to temporarily stand against India, make some sacrifices on revenue and play this in Pakistan excluding India.
When has Pakistan ever had a stable chairman and what pressure point is Pak gog. to find that rest of the boards couldn't over the revenue distribution model?Instead you have a part-timer who probably has never seen the inside of the ICC boardroom and has no idea what the pressure points are.
unlikely with the latest increase in incidents along LOCIf the BCCI wants a hybrid series, a hybrid series it will be. The only hope Pakistan had was a background thaw in relations allowing a conciliatory trip.
Unfortunately true, as a fan that has seen enough Indo- Pak games and amazing tours in 1999 and 2000s , it’s sad this will likely not happen.Kinda sad Kohli will never get to play in Pakistan with the senior team.
Also the missed opportunity of a big Indo-Pak game in front of a Pakistani crowd. It's going to end up being a mellow game in Dubai or Sri Lanka at best.
Politics ruin a lot of things when it comes to cricket.
I think ICC should just let the game happen without India it will be a success because everyone will want it to be one.. Indian TV rights will be good enough even without India.How will this hybrid work?
If India in semis then semi final will be outside Pakistan.
Finals may also be outside Pakistan.
How will ICC market the matches?
What will Pakistan host then? A few group games and a semi final?
Will PCB accept it? Will other teams accept it?
Kohli tu hoga apne ghar ka kohliSome fans are sarcastic too..they may chant 'Kohli nahi hota tuj se chase'
Could work in theory but a lot tougher in practice. The BCCI is likely to take it as a major snub that the ICC didn't accommodate a request for hybrid tournament.I think ICC should just let the game happen without India it will be a success because everyone will want it to be one.. Indian TV rights will be good enough even without India.
BCCI is having its cake and eating it.Could work in theory but a lot tougher in practice. The BCCI is likely to take it as a major snub that the ICC didn't accommodate a request for hybrid tournament.
There'll be some leaning on Indian channels... especially the likes of Jio not to pay much for the rights. Not that they'll need much prompting - the value of the rights falls dramatically for a tournament with no Indian players.
We can't do much to the big 3 but teams like Sri Lanka, if they step up to replace India could find it difficult to get tours from India in the next year or two.
As I said earlier, unless the Indian government allows the team to go, it's pretty much certain to be hybrid.
The pcb is a shameless board, so you're right.Don’t think Pak cares about the forfeit. They do care about the money
Pakistan and PCB has always chased the easy money. As the saying goes, there is no free lunch.The pcb is a shameless board, so you're right.
I would just hope the govt. would step in and say no to touring ind, unless a hybrid model is adopted.
Alas, even the govt. is just as shameless as the pcb and the endless disrespect would continue.
I think ICC should just let the game happen without India it will be a success because everyone will want it to be one.. Indian TV rights will be good enough even without India.
So in a hybrid model if India reaches the final then it will be played at Dambulla, what will be the symbolic effect of it
Hybrid model will be logistic challenge but not impossible.
Total there will be 15 matches in CT.
Best case scenario is only India group matches (3) + India's semi + Final are put in Dubai.
Balance 10 matches in Pakistan (i.e. 6 matches of one group + 2 Pak group matches + Pak semi)
This will create some issues for teams with travelling but it seems best solution forward. It is not ideal but for tournament to continue it is needed.