[VIDEOS] Pakistan to host Champions Trophy 2025

Pakistan needs to accept India will not come to Pakistan, India should play all their games in UAE but everyone else will play in Pakistan. The weather in UAE in February March will be good for cricket and the travel bw UAE and Pakistan is not that taxing. PCB needs to plan the schedule, itenary for this now in advance.
Exactly PCB should work on this instead of waiting game . its clear now that Indian cricket team is not going to Pakistan for CT.
 
Champions trophy should go on no matter what. If a team is not willing to come, it is their choice. ICC knew that India has a strict stance on Pakistan but they still gave Pakistan the chance to host the champions trophy so it should be hosted as planned.
 
Well looks like it’s official, India isn’t coming to Pakistan so the tournament will have to go on without Bharat or at a neutral venue.

India's stance on participating in the Champions Trophy 2025 remains firm. Anurag Thakur, the current Minister of Youth Affairs and Sports, emphasised that cricket and terrorism cannot co-exist.

Therefore, India will not play in Pakistan, says the Indian minister; putting pressure on the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB).

 
This is going to be such a circus. But that's BCCI for you. They have to ruin cricket for everyone just because they can.

Why did they even award Pakistan the Champions Trophy if they knew they were going to do this?

Just hold every ICC event in India for the next 20 years. Maybe then you might finally win an ICC trophy.
 
Indian sports minister: Sports and terrorism cannot co-exist.

But, 2 months ago we had the Indian Davis Cup team arrive in Islamabad🤷🏻‍♂️
 
This is the time for the PCB to say screw it and be adamant that the champions trophy continue in Pakistan. No hybrid matches, no bending over backwards to accommodate a two faced neighbour who don’t know left foot from right foot, and are selective about which sports they’ll come to Pakistan for and which ones they won’t.
 
India Won't Travel To Pakistan For Champions Trophy 2025? Report Makes Bold Claim

The Indian cricket team may not travel to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy next year, and the venue for the event will likely get shifted or a hybrid model.

Team India may not travel to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy next year, and the venue for the event will likely get shifted or a hybrid model used, sources in the BCCI told IANS on Tuesday. They added that a bilateral series with the neighbours is “unlikely” in the near future. Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Mohsin Naqvi on Monday reportedly said that they would think about a bilateral series with India if they send their team to Pakistan for the Champions Trophy. However, sources in the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) said, "Forget bilateral series...Team India may not even travel to Pakistan for the Champions Trophy. There might be a change of venue, s hybrid model is also possible."

"The Indian board would need permission from the government for travel, currently our relations with Pakistan are not that good either,” sources told IANS. “Champions Trophy is an ICC event, so it would be a tough call for India but nothing without the government's order/green signal. Bilateral series, I don't see in the near future, that's next to impossible.”

Source: NDTV
 
India Won't Travel To Pakistan For Champions Trophy 2025? Report Makes Bold Claim

The Indian cricket team may not travel to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy next year, and the venue for the event will likely get shifted or a hybrid model.

Team India may not travel to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy next year, and the venue for the event will likely get shifted or a hybrid model used, sources in the BCCI told IANS on Tuesday. They added that a bilateral series with the neighbours is “unlikely” in the near future. Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Mohsin Naqvi on Monday reportedly said that they would think about a bilateral series with India if they send their team to Pakistan for the Champions Trophy. However, sources in the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) said, "Forget bilateral series...Team India may not even travel to Pakistan for the Champions Trophy. There might be a change of venue, s hybrid model is also possible."

"The Indian board would need permission from the government for travel, currently our relations with Pakistan are not that good either,” sources told IANS. “Champions Trophy is an ICC event, so it would be a tough call for India but nothing without the government's order/green signal. Bilateral series, I don't see in the near future, that's next to impossible.”

Source: NDTV

India was never suppose to go to Pakistan...everyone is already aware of that. PCB should have pulled out from WC 2023 as well.
 
India Won't Travel To Pakistan For Champions Trophy 2025? Report Makes Bold Claim

The Indian cricket team may not travel to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy next year, and the venue for the event will likely get shifted or a hybrid model.

Team India may not travel to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy next year, and the venue for the event will likely get shifted or a hybrid model used, sources in the BCCI told IANS on Tuesday. They added that a bilateral series with the neighbours is “unlikely” in the near future. Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Mohsin Naqvi on Monday reportedly said that they would think about a bilateral series with India if they send their team to Pakistan for the Champions Trophy. However, sources in the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) said, "Forget bilateral series...Team India may not even travel to Pakistan for the Champions Trophy. There might be a change of venue, s hybrid model is also possible."

"The Indian board would need permission from the government for travel, currently our relations with Pakistan are not that good either,” sources told IANS. “Champions Trophy is an ICC event, so it would be a tough call for India but nothing without the government's order/green signal. Bilateral series, I don't see in the near future, that's next to impossible.”

Source: NDTV
This isnt really a bold claim. Its obvious India won't come as modi and the government won't allow it.

Tbf I feel bad for the players and some of them would be happy to come. Not all of them ofcourse but some players wouldn't mind.
 
Issues for PCB to be sorted and given the time frame left Highly unlikely that these will be taken care of

Traffic issue due to security reason in Karachi is a task too much for masses to make it a full house

Rawalpindi stadium has obeselte seating and sometime they use pathetic wedding guest chairs which is a national embarrassment
 
Champions trophy should go on no matter what. If a team is not willing to come, it is their choice. ICC knew that India has a strict stance on Pakistan but they still gave Pakistan the chance to host the champions trophy so it should be hosted as planned.
Can someone let the ICC know about this? Anyone?
 
This is going to be such a circus. But that's BCCI for you. They have to ruin cricket for everyone just because they can.

Why did they even award Pakistan the Champions Trophy if they knew they were going to do this?

Just hold every ICC event in India for the next 20 years. Maybe then you might finally win an ICC trophy.
Where is the ICC?
 
This is the time for the PCB to say screw it and be adamant that the champions trophy continue in Pakistan. No hybrid matches, no bending over backwards to accommodate a two faced neighbour who don’t know left foot from right foot, and are selective about which sports they’ll come to Pakistan for and which ones they won’t.
Please let the ICC know. For some reason the ICC is too dumb to know that they can go ahead with CT without Ind. For crying out loud, can some please show them the light.
 
Can someone let the ICC know about this? Anyone?
ICC is too naive to understand that I guess. But as far as I know, if India chooses not to come than Sri Lanka will come in place of India so that is fine.
 
India Won't Travel To Pakistan For Champions Trophy 2025? Report Makes Bold Claim

The Indian cricket team may not travel to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy next year, and the venue for the event will likely get shifted or a hybrid model.

Team India may not travel to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy next year, and the venue for the event will likely get shifted or a hybrid model used, sources in the BCCI told IANS on Tuesday. They added that a bilateral series with the neighbours is “unlikely” in the near future. Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Mohsin Naqvi on Monday reportedly said that they would think about a bilateral series with India if they send their team to Pakistan for the Champions Trophy. However, sources in the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) said, "Forget bilateral series...Team India may not even travel to Pakistan for the Champions Trophy. There might be a change of venue, s hybrid model is also possible."

"The Indian board would need permission from the government for travel, currently our relations with Pakistan are not that good either,” sources told IANS. “Champions Trophy is an ICC event, so it would be a tough call for India but nothing without the government's order/green signal. Bilateral series, I don't see in the near future, that's next to impossible.”

Source: NDTV
Interesting this statement came soon after Mohsin Naqvi made a comment on the Champions Trophy.

The tournament is going to be hybrid. BCCI has all the power and money. They dictate how and where ICC tournaments happen.
 
India was never suppose to go to Pakistan...everyone is already aware of that. PCB should have pulled out from WC 2023 as well.
Problem is money. We don't exactly know how much of a reliance PCB has on revenue generated through ICC tournament participation. But it looks to be quite meaningful.

Maybe PCB cannot at all afford to pull out from these tournaments in India.
 
ICC is too naive to understand that I guess. But as far as I know, if India chooses not to come than Sri Lanka will come in place of India so that is fine.
It's not that simple.

Even if India decides not to participate and Pakistan decides to move forward. ICC knows without India in the tournament the money pool will take a hit. In that case other boards will be putting pressure on ICC to include India in the tournament.

The fear all the other boards and ICC have is not that the tournament will not be feasible. But that the amount of money they have been generating with India in the picture and with the matches of India v Pakistan, is too much to leave at the table. (Or that's what at least we get the impression of).
 
It's not that simple.

Even if India decides not to participate and Pakistan decides to move forward. ICC knows without India in the tournament the money pool will take a hit. In that case other boards will be putting pressure on ICC to include India in the tournament.

The fear all the other boards and ICC have is not that the tournament will not be feasible. But that the amount of money they have been generating with India in the picture and with the matches of India v Pakistan, is too much to leave at the table. (Or that's what at least we get the impression of).
It is simple in a way that ICC always knew that India might never travel to Pakistan to play a game, but they still gave Pakisan the opportunity to hold this tournament. That is enough evidence that the tournament should go on no matter which team comes or not.
 
PCB will have no choice but to agree to a hybrid model where India plays their games in the UAE. PCB has enough time to plan and make arrangements for it now rather than living in a fools paradise. The weather and temperature in the UAE around February March 2025 will be suitable for playing cricket and the travel bw Pakistan and UAE is not that taxing either therefore no excuses for everyone not to agree to this hybrid model.
 
ICC is too naive to understand that I guess. But as far as I know, if India chooses not to come than Sri Lanka will come in place of India so that is fine.
Does the ICC know/realize this? If so, will they proceed with CT?
 
Does the ICC know/realize this? If so, will they proceed with CT?
Well, cricket in Pakistan is not related to India coming here or not. If India is not willing to come then they are forfeiting their place to yeah, Sri lanka should replace them.
 
It's not that simple.

Even if India decides not to participate and Pakistan decides to move forward. ICC knows without India in the tournament the money pool will take a hit. In that case other boards will be putting pressure on ICC to include India in the tournament.

The fear all the other boards and ICC have is not that the tournament will not be feasible. But that the amount of money they have been generating with India in the picture and with the matches of India v Pakistan, is too much to leave at the table. (Or that's what at least we get the impression of).
The ICC and the boards can/should learn to live with less. Budget accordingly. Generate your own revenue. There are many options.

These people are comfortable not doing any leg work and just take the incoming money from BCCI. Get off your rear end and earn your paycheck. Take steps for self sufficiency.
 
It is simple in a way that ICC always knew that India might never travel to Pakistan to play a game, but they still gave Pakisan the opportunity to hold this tournament. That is enough evidence that the tournament should go on no matter which team comes or not.
I agree. But will the ICC go through with this. Awarding to PCB is good. But ICC has to follow through till the end. Will they?

If they don't, then all this awarding the CT to Pak. is just farce.
 
Well, cricket in Pakistan is not related to India coming here or not. If India is not willing to come then they are forfeiting their place to yeah, Sri lanka should replace them.
I agree. But the ICC are the ones running this tournament. What is their stance and what are going to do?
 
I agree. But the ICC are the ones running this tournament. What is their stance and what are going to do?
ICC is yet to announce any thing related to this if India is not coming. If there is another hybrid model coming then I will say that Pakistan should just not take any more tournaments in the future.
 
ICC is yet to announce any thing related to this if India is not coming. If there is another hybrid model coming then I will say that Pakistan should just not take any more tournaments in the future.
Well, it is still nine months away. I am guessing that all involved think there is still plenty of time to decide.
 

On Report Claiming India Won't Travel To Pakistan For Champions Trophy, PCB Says This​


The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) would look into options to respond to the BCCI -- Board of Control of Cricket in India -- if it officially refuses to send its team to Pakistan to play the ICC Champions Trophy, said a source in the PCB responding to a question about the recent report that neighbors might not travel to the country for the next year's tournament. “PCB Chairman Mohsin Naqvi has said it already that Pakistan is open to play a bilateral series with India at a neutral venue only if India agrees to participate in the ICC Champions Trophy in Pakistan next year,” the PCB source told IANS.

"There is a clear and glaring contrast between the statement of Rohit Sharma and a corresponding BCCI source-based story. It clearly shows that if its about cricket, the players are willing and have no problem in playing each other at home grounds. But its the political leadership of India that always creates nuisance and blocks the way every time."

They further reminded that Pakistan sent its team to India for the World Cup, highlighting Islamabad's readiness to face the challenges and work towards revival of Indo-Pak cricket.

Pakistan is gearing up to host its first International cricket event since the 1996 World Cup. The Champions Trophy is an ICC (International Cricket Council) event and India expected refusal to send its team to Pakistan would not be an easy call to make.

However, the time and buildup to the ICC Champions Trophy may be used to discuss a hybrid model in which India-Pakistan matches may be shifted to neutral venues like Abu Dhabi and the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

On Tuesday, sources in the BCCI told IANS that Team India may not travel to Pakistan for the ICC Champions Trophy next year, and the venue for the event will likely get shifted or a hybrid model used.

They also added that a bilateral series with the neighbours is “unlikely” in the near future.

India and Pakistan last played a bilateral limited-overs series in 2012-13, when Pakistan visited India.

Last year, India refused to send its team to play the Asia Cup in Pakistan and eventually, the Asian Cricket Council (ACC) had to adopt a hybrid model for the event which was split with a vast majority of the matches being organised in Sri Lanka.

 
Have stated this before. Like Asia cup. But posters here dont want to accept it.
- No ind , no CT. All boards including pak make revenue with ind being there in a global event. Nobody wants to lose money and their annual operating revenues are generated through these global events
- ind will not travel to pak period. It is what it is as goi wint give permission And no bcci response till June when election results announced .
- will.be hybrid model - ind games and final in uae and rest in pak
- pak will send pct to any event in ind but ind gov will not send ind team to pak for any event even of it's a global icc event. This should be a clear indication of why hybrid model is most certainly the outcome.
 
It is simple in a way that ICC always knew that India might never travel to Pakistan to play a game, but they still gave Pakisan the opportunity to hold this tournament. That is enough evidence that the tournament should go on no matter which team comes or not.
That is just a formality. If this is evidence then ICC should force India to come to Pakistan, shouldn't they?
 
CT won't happen without India. That's just a given.

Just start planning for hybrid model with all India matches, 1 SF and final in Dubai .

You'll still get 10 out of 15 matches in Pakistan.
 
CT won't happen without India. That's just a given.

Just start planning for hybrid model with all India matches, 1 SF and final in Dubai .

You'll still get 10 out of 15 matches in Pakistan.
In a nutshell. They whys and hows and nos and the associated politics are outside this thread's scope. Pure cricketing scenario- this is what will most likely happen.
 
They don't have to force. As @BouncerGuy said, SL can/will step in. So no issues. CT can go as planned.
I am 100 percent positive even pcb doesn't agree with your position. They played all the drama before the lowly asia cup - so there is absolutely no way they would play CT without ind. And then the pcb officials went to ind and wined and dined with bcci officials and had a gala time. They play this cruel joke on the pak people and supporters who are gullible enough to believe their macho talk.
 
Simple solution

Let Pakistan and India be in separate groups . India plays their games in UAE. In case India qualifies they play their semi final there . In case Pakistan and India final . Pakistan travels to uae for final .
 
ICC or the other boards won't be ready for the tournament to happen without India
In other words, no one wants to take a pay cut.

They want the free money flowing in from the BCCI. No one wants to do any kind of work to generate their own revenues. Just sit back and get the hand outs.
 
Sports Minister Anurag Thakur opines India will not tour Pakistan for ICC Champions Trophy 2025

Minister says Pakistan spreading terrorism in India and hoping India playing in Pakistan can never coexist

Union Sports Minister Anurag Thakur said that the question of the Indian cricket team touring Pakistan for the 2025 edition of the ICC Champions Trophy will not arise until the neighbouring country stops itself from anti-national activities. The ICC awarded the Champions Trophy hosting rights to Pakistan and although the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) have been trying to establish talks in persuading the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) to allow the Indian cricket team to tour Pakistan, the Indian board have been firm on their stand.

The Champions Trophy will be held in February-March 2025. Thakur concurred with the board’s unwillingness to tour Pakistan and said while it is up to the current board members of the BCCI to decide, he said the question of touring Pakistan doesn’t arise at all. “It is up to the BCCI to decide. When I was the BCCI president, I had said that two things cannot happen at a single time. When you spread terrorism in India and talk about playing cricket in Pakistan, these two things can’t happen simultaneously. First stop carrying out terror activities in India,” Thakur said during a public debate.

He added that the day Pakistan stops indulging in terrorist activities India will definitely play in Pakistan. “The day Pakistan stops terrorism in India, India will go to Pakistan and play cricket. This is my opinion,” he added. The last time India toured Pakistan was in 2008 and since then the two cricketing nations haven’t faced each other.
To be honest, it's a bit of squirrelly statement from Anurag Thakur. To say “It is up to the BCCI to decide" puts the BCCI in the tricky position of having to make political and foreign policy decisions and having to answer to the ICC why they're not traveling when their government is giving them freedom . If he does not want the Indian team to travel, he should come out and say the Indian government will not permit it. That gives clarity and allows next steps to be decided.

Now it still leaves the whole thing fuzzy and everybody's still discussing nonsense. The ICC will still be lobbying the BCCI.
 
I am 100 percent positive even pcb doesn't agree with your position. They played all the drama before the lowly asia cup - so there is absolutely no way they would play CT without ind. And then the pcb officials went to ind and wined and dined with bcci officials and had a gala time. They play this cruel joke on the pak people and supporters who are gullible enough to believe their macho talk.
The problem is that the ICC and the boards are drunk on BCCI money. Something that just falls in their lap. Without doing any leg work. This has led to the current state of affairs. Where ICC (and the boards) are too afraid/timid to do anything without BCCI participating.

This has to stop.
 
Ok. But do the people running the show think the same? Does the PCB think along this line?
I would say you have answered your own question. At the end of the day, pcb will accommodate bcci and agree to hybrid model. Everyone knows this. The PCB statements drama etc is all for local public consumption. But my guess is pcb and icc/bcci will not even talk till June elections in Ind are over.
 
That is just a formality. If this is evidence then ICC should force India to come to Pakistan, shouldn't they?
U want ICC that runs on Indian money should force Indian Government to send Indian team to Pak.

Also haven't many posters claimed that ICC stands for INDIAN CRICKET COUNCIL !
 
Most probably it will be a hybrid model once again because money talks in the end. PCB can say anything they want to until the real event comes.

PCB can make a bold move to arrange this tournament in Pakistan without India but I don't think this is going to happen until ICC interferes, which they are not not going to do.
 
Every few weeks, Indian media makes a “bold report” repeating the same claims. No one should give a toss, indian journalism is a stinking pile of garbage. Its well known. 90% of their media is godi media, their news press agency ANI has been known to spread fakes news multiple times. I wouldnt lose sleep over their “bold reports”.

At the end of the day, Pakistan is the official host and that is the only truth. I doubt PCB and the current political establishment will take such a big L of kneeling before the “supposed” demands of BCCI. Not going to happen.

ICC also is not in a position to ask PCB to do any such thing because Pakistan will not come to India ever again.

Cricket is game played by only 8 countries mainly. Too high of a risk.

Heres the official word so far:

ICC team has visited Pakistan, did their checks and have greenlighted every thing. BCCI has not made any official statement and actually have signed the MPA implying their yes to participation in CT 2025 in PK. Rest is just indian media noise.
 
Every few weeks, Indian media makes a “bold report” repeating the same claims. No one should give a toss, indian journalism is a stinking pile of garbage. Its well known. 90% of their media is godi media, their news press agency ANI has been known to spread fakes news multiple times. I wouldnt lose sleep over their “bold reports”.

At the end of the day, Pakistan is the official host and that is the only truth. I doubt PCB and the current political establishment will take such a big L of kneeling before the “supposed” demands of BCCI. Not going to happen.

ICC also is not in a position to ask PCB to do any such thing because Pakistan will not come to India ever again.

Cricket is game played by only 8 countries mainly. Too high of a risk.

Heres the official word so far:

ICC team has visited Pakistan, did their checks and have greenlighted every thing. BCCI has not made any official statement and actually have signed the MPA implying their yes to participation in CT 2025 in PK. Rest is just indian media noise.
I am confused. You are saying that the ICC is in no position to be in the bad books of PCB. On the other hand, there are several posts that say the ICC is bending backwards to the BCCI.

ICC cannot be on both sides. One side has to give. Which side is the question.

I guess past history will be a good indicator on what will happen here.
 
I am confused. You are saying that the ICC is in no position to be in the bad books of PCB. On the other hand, there are several posts that say the ICC is bending backwards to the BCCI.

ICC cannot be on both sides. One side has to give. Which side is the question.

I guess past history will be a good indicator on what will happen here.
ICC has multiple international tournaments scheduled to be organized in India. If they switch CT to a hybrid model, or take it outside of Pakistan, they will set up a destructive precedent. This has so far been untouched territory. This is because the Pakistani awam will be enraged, and i dont think PCB or the current establishment has the sufficient political capital to still go to India after the possible debacle. This means multiple ICC tournaments will not have Pakistan participation. This will negatively impact international cricket and reduce overall quality of ICC tournaments.

I am assuming here that the folks at ICC have some semblance of competence and are not just pure minions of the BCCI and that BCCI itself has the foresight to see this becoming a huge problem.

If PCB stick to their guns, i see no way that the tournament's single match can be taken outside of Pakistan. I was very confident in Mohsin Naqvi before but since Babar's appointment it has left a bad taste in my mouth. However, going by his statements, i expect they will stand their ground and rightfully so.
 
ICC has multiple international tournaments scheduled to be organized in India. If they switch CT to a hybrid model, or take it outside of Pakistan, they will set up a destructive precedent. This has so far been untouched territory. This is because the Pakistani awam will be enraged, and i dont think PCB or the current establishment has the sufficient political capital to still go to India after the possible debacle. This means multiple ICC tournaments will not have Pakistan participation. This will negatively impact international cricket and reduce overall quality of ICC tournaments.

I am assuming here that the folks at ICC have some semblance of competence and are not just pure minions of the BCCI and that BCCI itself has the foresight to see this becoming a huge problem.

If PCB stick to their guns, i see no way that the tournament's single match can be taken outside of Pakistan. I was very confident in Mohsin Naqvi before but since Babar's appointment it has left a bad taste in my mouth. However, going by his statements, i expect they will stand their ground and rightfully so.
ICC and competence do not go together. They are exactly what you are hoping they are not. Minions to the BCCI. I fully expect the ICC to cave in to whatever the BCCI decides.

As far as PCB standing their ground, I have not seen that happen yet.
 
ICC has multiple international tournaments scheduled to be organized in India. If they switch CT to a hybrid model, or take it outside of Pakistan, they will set up a destructive precedent. This has so far been untouched territory. This is because the Pakistani awam will be enraged, and i dont think PCB or the current establishment has the sufficient political capital to still go to India after the possible debacle. This means multiple ICC tournaments will not have Pakistan participation. This will negatively impact international cricket and reduce overall quality of ICC tournaments.

I am assuming here that the folks at ICC have some semblance of competence and are not just pure minions of the BCCI and that BCCI itself has the foresight to see this becoming a huge problem.

If PCB stick to their guns, i see no way that the tournament's single match can be taken outside of Pakistan. I was very confident in Mohsin Naqvi before but since Babar's appointment it has left a bad taste in my mouth. However, going by his statements, i expect they will stand their ground and rightfully so.
Speaking as an Indian, I think it might be best for the tournament to go ahead without India. Pakistan has the tournament and it's only fair to the Pakistani cricket watching public to be able to hold it properly and see the whole tournament.

Broadly I think the BCCI has been reasonably competent in handling this stuff so far. Also the decision to keep sports and primarily cricket relations to a minimum and in particular not visit Pakistan has general support in India.

However, there have to be consequences to such decisions and this is one of them. If the Indian public sees that this stance will result in a few tournaments being skipped, there may be a genuine re-evaluation of the decision and could potentially benefit cricket in the long term.

There will be financial consequences for Pakistan and all the cricket nations though. They'll have to accept a substantial cut in ICC revenues for the year since there's no way Indian rights holders will pay the same amount for a tournament without India. Pakistan will have to do a lot of lobbying with all the other participants to convince them to accept this loss in the wider interest of reducing BCCI influence in cricket. Can they do it? I don't know.
 
Speaking as an Indian, I think it might be best for the tournament to go ahead without India. Pakistan has the tournament and it's only fair to the Pakistani cricket watching public to be able to hold it properly and see the whole tournament.

Broadly I think the BCCI has been reasonably competent in handling this stuff so far. Also the decision to keep sports and primarily cricket relations to a minimum and in particular not visit Pakistan has general support in India.

However, there have to be consequences to such decisions and this is one of them. If the Indian public sees that this stance will result in a few tournaments being skipped, there may be a genuine re-evaluation of the decision and could potentially benefit cricket in the long term.

There will be financial consequences for Pakistan and all the cricket nations though. They'll have to accept a substantial cut in ICC revenues for the year since there's no way Indian rights holders will pay the same amount for a tournament without India. Pakistan will have to do a lot of lobbying with all the other participants to convince them to accept this loss in the wider interest of reducing BCCI influence in cricket. Can they do it? I don't know.
Absolutely right. The tournament should go on in Pakistan. Regardless if India plays or not.

Both sides will have to accept the repercussions stemming from it.
 
Speaking as an Indian, I think it might be best for the tournament to go ahead without India. Pakistan has the tournament and it's only fair to the Pakistani cricket watching public to be able to hold it properly and see the whole tournament.

Broadly I think the BCCI has been reasonably competent in handling this stuff so far. Also the decision to keep sports and primarily cricket relations to a minimum and in particular not visit Pakistan has general support in India.

However, there have to be consequences to such decisions and this is one of them. If the Indian public sees that this stance will result in a few tournaments being skipped, there may be a genuine re-evaluation of the decision and could potentially benefit cricket in the long term.

There will be financial consequences for Pakistan and all the cricket nations though. They'll have to accept a substantial cut in ICC revenues for the year since there's no way Indian rights holders will pay the same amount for a tournament without India. Pakistan will have to do a lot of lobbying with all the other participants to convince them to accept this loss in the wider interest of reducing BCCI influence in cricket. Can they do it? I don't know.
Well said, glad to see a reasonable post on this topic. BCCI has already signed the MPA for this tournament, which is why you find @cricketjoshila not feeling very confident about India skipping this tournament or this tournament not happening in Pakistan.

Look my opinion on this has been consistent, if India wants to play they are most welcome and i hope the visa processing for Indian fans will be smooth unlike what we witnessed in the worldcup in India for Pakistani fans.

If they don't want to play, then it is their and ICC's problem. The tournament should happen in Pakistan with or without India. This is needed for the greater good of the game because a sport should not be hijacked by a single nation.
 
Putting aside the India and Pakistan rivalry for a minute the ICC must really decide within the next two months.

Many people will want to book tickets to visit Pakistan for the tournament and need to make arrangements with employers etc.

A global tournament can't be held under so much uncertainty.

I suspect the ICC want to get the world cup under way especially the India Pakistan clash before having the tough calls.

The PCB should try to force their hand to make a decision now.
 
Well said, glad to see a reasonable post on this topic. BCCI has already signed the MPA for this tournament, which is why you find @cricketjoshila not feeling very confident about India skipping this tournament or this tournament not happening in Pakistan.

Look my opinion on this has been consistent, if India wants to play they are most welcome and i hope the visa processing for Indian fans will be smooth unlike what we witnessed in the worldcup in India for Pakistani fans.

If they don't want to play, then it is their and ICC's problem. The tournament should happen in Pakistan with or without India. This is needed for the greater good of the game because a sport should not be hijacked by a single nation.

Correct me if i am wrong but BCCI hasn't signed the MPA. ICC cannot force the Indian team to go to Pakistan. That's for sure.

There is a small chance that Indian may go to Pakistan because this is a ICC event and GoI usually doesn't interfere in participation in world events.

But you never know what GoI will decide.

ICC and its members will have to decide if they want to take a 80 per cent revenue cut by hosting the tournament in Pakistan without India.

Personally i don't have issues if CT is held in Pakistan without India.
 
Putting aside the India and Pakistan rivalry for a minute the ICC must really decide within the next two months.

Many people will want to book tickets to visit Pakistan for the tournament and need to make arrangements with employers etc.

A global tournament can't be held under so much uncertainty.

I suspect the ICC want to get the world cup under way especially the India Pakistan clash before having the tough calls.

The PCB should try to force their hand to make a decision now.

It will be a long drawn process. This isn't about PCB alone.

BCCI has to inform whether they will go to Pakistan.

If not, other members will have to agree to take a revenue cut to the tune of 80 per cent.

If other members don't agree, PCB will have to be convinced to move the CT out or a hybrid model be followed.

Ofcourse there will be financial consequences for BCCI, if they miss out on the CT. They will lose $230mn.

They will have to decide their alternatives as well


Since the new IPL deals have kicked in, BCCI is making a surplus of nearly $500mn a year, so they can absorb this loss.

But as a journalist said, BCCI never makes a loss, they are likely to organise a domestic tournament like mini IPL with Indian players only and make up the revenue loss.

So this all will take time.
 
Correct me if i am wrong but BCCI hasn't signed the MPA. ICC cannot force the Indian team to go to Pakistan. That's for sure.

There is a small chance that Indian may go to Pakistan because this is a ICC event and GoI usually doesn't interfere in participation in world events.

But you never know what GoI will decide.

ICC and its members will have to decide if they want to take a 80 per cent revenue cut by hosting the tournament in Pakistan without India.

Personally i don't have issues if CT is held in Pakistan without India.
I don't think it'll be an 80% cut. There'll be some interest in showing such a multi-country tournament in India. Just that those massive numbers won't be possible without an India-Pakistan clash. Maybe a 50% cut?
 
It will be a long drawn process. This isn't about PCB alone.

BCCI has to inform whether they will go to Pakistan.

If not, other members will have to agree to take a revenue cut to the tune of 80 per cent.

If other members don't agree, PCB will have to be convinced to move the CT out or a hybrid model be followed.

Ofcourse there will be financial consequences for BCCI, if they miss out on the CT. They will lose $230mn.

They will have to decide their alternatives as well


Since the new IPL deals have kicked in, BCCI is making a surplus of nearly $500mn a year, so they can absorb this loss.

But as a journalist said, BCCI never makes a loss, they are likely to organise a domestic tournament like mini IPL with Indian players only and make up the revenue loss.

So this all will take time.
You cant have international tournaments at such short notice.

Many people would like to visit. Accomodations needs to be sorted and arranged.

Even if it becomes a hybrid model people may want to watch games in Dubai and book up soon.

The only reason it's taking so much time is because of the Indians.

A decision needs to be made for the sake of everyone else.

Major sports events can't be held hostage to bureaucracy.
 
Correct me if i am wrong but BCCI hasn't signed the MPA. ICC cannot force the Indian team to go to Pakistan. That's for sure.

There is a small chance that Indian may go to Pakistan because this is a ICC event and GoI usually doesn't interfere in participation in world events.

But you never know what GoI will decide.

ICC and its members will have to decide if they want to take a 80 per cent revenue cut by hosting the tournament in Pakistan without India.

Personally i don't have issues if CT is held in Pakistan without India.
The last MPA that was signed was for the 2023-31 cycle, 8 tournaments in total, so BCCI already signed it. ICC also has signed the hosting agreement with Pakistan which at first India was reported to be demanded to be taken away from Pakistan.

If BCCI refuses to come to Pakistan, will the force majeure clause apply / is there is a clause available that lets countries not participate if their government does not allows them? Because otherwise, BCCI will be penalized.
 
Well said, glad to see a reasonable post on this topic. BCCI has already signed the MPA for this tournament, which is why you find @cricketjoshila not feeling very confident about India skipping this tournament or this tournament not happening in Pakistan.

Look my opinion on this has been consistent, if India wants to play they are most welcome and i hope the visa processing for Indian fans will be smooth unlike what we witnessed in the worldcup in India for Pakistani fans.

If they don't want to play, then it is their and ICC's problem. The tournament should happen in Pakistan with or without India. This is needed for the greater good of the game because a sport should not be hijacked by a single nation.
As this is an ICC tournament, if they are ok without Ind. then all is good to go. But as hosts, are the PCB ok without Ind.?

The reason I ask is because the ICC and the boards are stone drunk with BCCI money. A reduction in revenue is just not acceptable to them for some reason. I mean they don't even want to imagine such a scenario. They only want an increase each renewal season.
 
The last MPA that was signed was for the 2023-31 cycle, 8 tournaments in total, so BCCI already signed it. ICC also has signed the hosting agreement with Pakistan which at first India was reported to be demanded to be taken away from Pakistan.

If BCCI refuses to come to Pakistan, will the force majeure clause apply / is there is a clause available that lets countries not participate if their government does not allows them? Because otherwise, BCCI will be penalized.
I'm reasonably sure the BCCI would've negotiated a force majeure. This has been a problem known about for years and the BCCI is assisted by some very high paid lawyers. Even the TV/Digital rights holders would've negotiated an out if India doesn't come to the tournament. I remember listening to a podcast with someone in the know who said that the TV rights agreement guarantees an India-Pakistan encounter and is void if the ICC is not able to arrange it. It's the reason why the ICC is always careful to set up the format to include an India-Pakistan encounter at the group stage itself.

It's pretty unlikely the ICC will look to get into a penalty argument with it's most influential member over not attending a single tournament. There's too many unpredictable long term consequences in trying to fine the BCCI.

As @DeadlyVenom says though, the decision needs to be quick. The only reason the ICC (and even Pakistan) may be holding on is to see the results of the election in India. A newly elected confident BJP government may permit the team to travel or maybe the opposition if it comes to power may use the participation as a symbolic gesture.
 
I don't think it'll be an 80% cut. There'll be some interest in showing such a multi-country tournament in India. Just that those massive numbers won't be possible without an India-Pakistan clash. Maybe a 50% cut?

What if BCCI is holding a domestic tournament at home with all Indian stars? Where will Indian sponsors put their money in?

If India doesn't go to Pakistan, BCCI may organise a domestic event with Indian players to make up revenue loss.
 
The last MPA that was signed was for the 2023-31 cycle, 8 tournaments in total, so BCCI already signed it. ICC also has signed the hosting agreement with Pakistan which at first India was reported to be demanded to be taken away from Pakistan.

If BCCI refuses to come to Pakistan, will the force majeure clause apply / is there is a clause available that lets countries not participate if their government does not allows them? Because otherwise, BCCI will be penalized.

Incorrect. 2023 WC was part of the last MPA.

New cycle starts now.

BCCI has made no demand that CT be taken away from Pakistan.

No one is going to penalize BCCI. The only thing that will happen is that BCCI won't get the revenue share from CT 2025.
 
Mohammad Hafeez wants India to play ICC Champions Trophy 2025 in Pakistan, during an interview he said:

"They should come. There's no doubt about it because the cricket between India and Pakistan is not just limited to this region. They are for the entire world. When these two teams play, it's not just Pakistan and India fans who watch them, fans from all around the world watch their games. So why stop it (India from coming to Pakistan)?I believe that we should come up with a right solution, keeping political issues aside. We respect India's position, but sports should not be dragged into it."

"Bilateral series, ICC events, wherever they are taking place, I would be glad if India and Pakistan play Tests, ODIs, and T20Is. Whether it's Pakistan visiting India, or India visiting Pakistan, that would be great for the game of cricket. Or for whatever reason it's not possible for either team to play in each other's country, then we should take a neutral venue so that the promotion of the game can continue."
 
The CT will be held on neutral ground and Pak will get to host some matches and some financial compensation as disponent hosts.

This is what will happen and rest is all media posturing. Commercials will not be forgone by any of the participants.
 
Well said, glad to see a reasonable post on this topic. BCCI has already signed the MPA for this tournament, which is why you find @cricketjoshila not feeling very confident about India skipping this tournament or this tournament not happening in Pakistan.

Look my opinion on this has been consistent, if India wants to play they are most welcome and i hope the visa processing for Indian fans will be smooth unlike what we witnessed in the worldcup in India for Pakistani fans.

If they don't want to play, then it is their and ICC's problem. The tournament should happen in Pakistan with or without India. This is needed for the greater good of the game because a sport should not be hijacked by a single nation.
If by some chance(and I know it's unlikely), India does decide to travel to Pakistan for the Champions Trophy, me and a friend are probably going to try and apply to visit. I've always been curious and this seems like a golden opportunity. I'll ask the forum for advice on what else I can do while I'm over in Pakistan.

Hope it materialises but chances are slim.
 
If by some chance(and I know it's unlikely), India does decide to travel to Pakistan for the Champions Trophy, me and a friend are probably going to try and apply to visit. I've always been curious and this seems like a golden opportunity. I'll ask the forum for advice on what else I can do while I'm over in Pakistan.

Hope it materialises but chances are slim.
I would be more than happy to guide you on Lahore and Islamabad. You will have a fantastic time, and as per my interaction with indians in north america, it will be an absolutely contrasting experience compared to what the hateful sellout indian media says about pakistan.
 
Incorrect. 2023 WC was part of the last MPA.

New cycle starts now.

BCCI has made no demand that CT be taken away from Pakistan.

No one is going to penalize BCCI. The only thing that will happen is that BCCI won't get the revenue share from CT 2025.
Can you provide me any links to support this? My research shows me 2023-31.
 
Pakistan was amde the host for this event so just because India cannot come, host should not suffer. So there are 2 scenarios:

1: India comes to Pakistan to play

2: India refuses to come but the event goes on and both the parties have to suffer the loss due to this settlement. SImple
 
There is no way India will travel to Pakistan or Pakistan will even host the champions trophy. IMF recently grouped Pakistan with war torn countries. There is no way any team would tour Pakistan for a major tournament.
 
There is no way India will travel to Pakistan or Pakistan will even host the champions trophy. IMF recently grouped Pakistan with war torn countries. There is no way any team would tour Pakistan for a major tournament.
Well, all other teams will surely travel here for the event. India should not be speaking for all other countries. If India comes, then welcome, if they choose not to then okay thanks.
 
PCB needs to smell the coffee and accept reality. India will not come to Pakistan, the PCB will have to beg India and ICC to accept a hybrid model. All future ICC events being held in India, PCB has no choice but to go to India.

In the event the BCCI refuses the hybrid model and shifts the entire ICC tournament from Pakistan to another country, the PCB should try to push the case for extra compensation and revenue to be compensated in return.

This is the reality and the most practical outcomes.
 
The PCB tried to threaten the BCCI with boycotting the WC in India as revenge for India not playing the Asia Cup in Pakistan and Pakistan boycotting the Asia Cup.

Jay Shah told Sethi no problem, I will invite another major test playing country to India to play a 5 Match ODI and a 5 Match T20 series to compensate Star Sports for the $30 million Asia Cup Indo Pak match losses.

As far as Pakistan boycotting the WC in India is concerned, no problem, your choice, the entire world will come to play in India, the BCCI will not accept any hybrid matches for Pakistan outside India, if Pakistan wants to play the WC in India, most welcome, if not, then that's Pakistan's choice but the WC will go on in India without Pakistan.

Sethi realized without the ICC money the PCB would go bankrupt and the PCB had no real takers in the ICC or Asian countries and no one was going to go against BCCI, heck all the ICC countries combined could still not do Jack to BCCI hence he stood down from his aggressive stance and begged BCCI for a face saving hybrid model solution.

The PCB is not in any position to defy the BCCI, its better for the PCB to accept this reality and to work around it.
 
As far as hosting multi lateral tournaments in Pakistan is concerned, I think PCB should take baby steps ie invite the likes of England, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand for a tri nation T20 ODI Triangular series and prove to the world they can hold major events in Pakistan
 
Well, all other teams will surely travel here for the event. India should not be speaking for all other countries. If India comes, then welcome, if they choose not to then okay thanks.
Unfortunately, the PCB and the ICC do not seem to share this opinion.
 
Unfortunately, the PCB and the ICC do not seem to share this opinion.
I think ICC knew the whole situation about India but they still allotted Pakistan to host this event. It should mean something.
 
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