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So if we lose it is babar's fault? and if we win it is because the squad is strong?
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[VIDEOS/PICTURES] Babar Azam re-appointed as Pakistan white-ball captain
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The 2017 t20 team that played against Sri Lanka would crush 2022 t20 team that played in the final 5-0. The 2022 team doesn't have a middle order, and relies on 2 bowlers mainly.
2017 t20 team
1) Fakhar
2) umar Amin (only weak link)
3) Babar
4) Hafeez
5) Malik
6) Imad
7) Sarfraz
8) Faheem
9) Shadab
10) Hasan Ali (Prine form in 2017)
11) Amir (Prime form in 2017)
^^ The batting is till 11, even hasan can smack a few and Amir can hold his own in t20.
Meanwhile 2022 team that played the final
1) Babar
2) Rizwan (Hahahaha)
3) Haris (Got exposed in the final as a hack but saved the vortual quater final against bamgaldesh)
4) Shan Masood (Hahahaha)
5) Chacha (LOL, useless against good players)
6) Shadab( Declining form in 2022)
7) Nawaz (Hahahaha, India botcher gave kohli 16 runs)
8) Wasim Jnr( Useless at 8, bowling was okay)
9) Shaheen (Injured pacer lol, courtesy of Babar constantly injuring his pacdrs)
10) Naseem (Only good bowler remaining)
11) Rauf (Hahah)
Just letting you know
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If we lose its everyone's fault and if we win its everyone gain.
Problem is babar can't identify roles and lead properly. He doesn't know how to identify roles and gell a team. What part of that is difficult to understand?
When did I institute or remotely imply what you're claiming I'm implying?
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Lol it's funny how the PCB is behaving as if the defeat to Afghanistan in the WC never took place.
Babar must be laughing his behind off at how he got away with it.
Babar must be laughing his behind off at how he got away with it.
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I am not implying anything brother. I am just saying a simple thing that, Babar is your captain, support him till he is there. Once he fails again ( which I hope he does not), he will be removed again. this is PCB. It will happen.
This is a team game and the whole team should support him rather than making groups within the team. For once, be a unit and win this tournament.
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He didn't deserve to be reappointed.
You can't ask me to support a team I don't wish to bro. And it's not like I support certain individuals either. I like Amir and imad in the same way I like rohit and kohli but that doesn't mean I support India.
I will support Australia and will support Pakistan once I feel that Pakistan is back to its 2011, 1996, 2017 ways aka a good captain who gells the team together.
Rn I'd rather support Nepal over Pakistan because atleast theirs no political drama and they all play for the crest on their chest.
Babar is the captain, meaning his face is the one that's shown when Pakistan gets advertised to face another team. He is the face of Pakistan and you can't ask me to support someone who cares for his own milestones over the actual team. Yes Babar wants to win but he doesn't prioritise it over his own opening position.
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Bro. me saying to support a team is a general for everyone. It was not meant for you only nor I am forcing you to do this or that. you have your own views. Thats your choice. I have no problem with you supporting Pakistan or not.
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Sorry if it came off thar way, I didn't say you were forcing me, I was giving my viewpoint as to why I don't.
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Your viewpoint is yours and yours only and mine is mine only. Not that you have to agree to mine or I have to agree to yours.
Babar is Pakistan's captain. I support Team Green so I will support everyone in that squad.
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In a recent interview, Mohammad Hafeez breaks his silence on Babar Azam's removal from the captaincy, He said:
"Babar Azam is a very good player and he has had very good opportunities in the last 3 to 4 years. He received full-fledged support as well, and I think there must be a reason to remove him from the captaincy, which the board must have realized. You know chairmen keep changing within the board, and there is a complete bureaucracy making decisions along with the chairman about who will become the captain."
"So, I think there were a lot of reasons to remove Babar from the captaincy. However, just after 2 months, he has come back as captain. What things have been sorted out within this time span? As we know, when he was captain, the development of the players and bench strength was limited. For example, only Naseem Shah got injured and the whole team was affected. The middle order was not sorted out in the World Cup, and another issue was that Babar couldn't achieve anything significant in major events."
"Yes, we reached the semi-finals and played the WC final, but winning the event was missing during his tenure. At some places, we noticed that a group was getting entertained, which we heard from the media. He was removed from the captaincy so he could be better relieved from the pressure of captaincy and improve as a batter because if he succeeds, Pakistan will ultimately benefit from it."
"But now, giving him the captaincy again, only the PCB can give reasons for that. Bringing him back so quickly gives the impression that he was removed due to personal dislikings and is now getting back due to certain likings."
"Babar Azam is a very good player and he has had very good opportunities in the last 3 to 4 years. He received full-fledged support as well, and I think there must be a reason to remove him from the captaincy, which the board must have realized. You know chairmen keep changing within the board, and there is a complete bureaucracy making decisions along with the chairman about who will become the captain."
"So, I think there were a lot of reasons to remove Babar from the captaincy. However, just after 2 months, he has come back as captain. What things have been sorted out within this time span? As we know, when he was captain, the development of the players and bench strength was limited. For example, only Naseem Shah got injured and the whole team was affected. The middle order was not sorted out in the World Cup, and another issue was that Babar couldn't achieve anything significant in major events."
"Yes, we reached the semi-finals and played the WC final, but winning the event was missing during his tenure. At some places, we noticed that a group was getting entertained, which we heard from the media. He was removed from the captaincy so he could be better relieved from the pressure of captaincy and improve as a batter because if he succeeds, Pakistan will ultimately benefit from it."
"But now, giving him the captaincy again, only the PCB can give reasons for that. Bringing him back so quickly gives the impression that he was removed due to personal dislikings and is now getting back due to certain likings."
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You're overestimating the 2017 line up you presented. Where's the big hitters? A middle order of Hafeez, Malik and Imad is disastrous and ruins the whole balance. There's like 5 semi all rounders in that line up
Just saw his press conference, zero improvement. Same old arrogant imperious attitude, thandi jugtein and not answering questions properly.
He was asked if he will open, and he gave a vague response and a thandi juggut by saying "you will see tomorrow". Gave me flashbacks to "i will answer on the ground" during WC 2023. We know how that turned out. Clown stuff.
He was asked about Usman Khan, and he gave such a sad vanilla pathetic response. Not acknowledging or recognizing Usman Khan's journey or sacrifice or any words specifically about him.
Asked if he has learned from his mistakes, his response was arrogant and apparetnly he is still learning captaincy from the past 5 years. His learning is never ending. Pakistan cricket is a playground for Babar to learn and make new mistakes everyday lol
He also mentioned how he does not think of captaincy when he bats, yeah it clearly shows in your stat padding selfish approach.
Asked about strike rate, no response or acknowledgement to that particular thing. Vague generic response. To be fair the journalist was pretty terrible in his question as well as he first used "average" and then used "run rate" at the end.
The only positive response:
He talked about squad rotation and testing bench strength. Lets see how much of that is true.
Overall a lame press conference, the usual Babar vocabulary of enjoy, best team, we will try etc.
@topspin @mominsaigol @Rana @160KPH did you see the conference?
He was asked if he will open, and he gave a vague response and a thandi juggut by saying "you will see tomorrow". Gave me flashbacks to "i will answer on the ground" during WC 2023. We know how that turned out. Clown stuff.
He was asked about Usman Khan, and he gave such a sad vanilla pathetic response. Not acknowledging or recognizing Usman Khan's journey or sacrifice or any words specifically about him.
Asked if he has learned from his mistakes, his response was arrogant and apparetnly he is still learning captaincy from the past 5 years. His learning is never ending. Pakistan cricket is a playground for Babar to learn and make new mistakes everyday lol
He also mentioned how he does not think of captaincy when he bats, yeah it clearly shows in your stat padding selfish approach.
Asked about strike rate, no response or acknowledgement to that particular thing. Vague generic response. To be fair the journalist was pretty terrible in his question as well as he first used "average" and then used "run rate" at the end.
The only positive response:
He talked about squad rotation and testing bench strength. Lets see how much of that is true.
Overall a lame press conference, the usual Babar vocabulary of enjoy, best team, we will try etc.
@topspin @mominsaigol @Rana @160KPH did you see the conference?
Didn’t see the press conference but to he honest I don’t think there’s much to learn from them. Players, captains, and coaches always say whatever sounds good to the media, even though it may not actually mean anything.
The actual changes and on field decisions is what I’m interested in. I didn’t want Babar to return as captain, but I think we will be able to tell if there’s been a noticeable shift after one or two series let’s see what happens. Hopefully we do actually cycle through some combinations so we can find proper batting spots and get the bowling figured out. Hopefully by the time the England series comes around we will know our 11.
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Yeah I saw the press conference
I wish I could throw my slipper at Babar just like the one George Bush received in his press conference once
Yeah, it was a ridiculous press conference. Shows he has not learnt at all but has gotten more bitter and arrogant.
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Do you blame him? He knows he is untouchable now. No captain will ever be given a fair chance as long as he is around to backstab them
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Bruv why are you letting out? What have I said that’s getting you so excited?
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The best thing that can happen this series is if we lose 5-0 nothing else
To neutralise a strong acid, a strong base is required. To fix the chaos Misbah has created we must be forced to endure rock bottom until the management is forced to bring back proper cricketers and not tiktokers
To neutralise a strong acid, a strong base is required. To fix the chaos Misbah has created we must be forced to endure rock bottom until the management is forced to bring back proper cricketers and not tiktokers
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Hafeez and malik hit way better then shan and shadab
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How is a guy who's captained for 5 years still learning?
.In 5 years you can groom someone to be an atg captain lol
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I think Babar is going to try different things in this series. maybe different combinations? Might as well rested as per the coach. The day has arrived, lets see what is in the bag for us fans.
Just don’t have Naseem Shah and Shaheen Shah play all the matches. They’re the 2 long term bowling prospects we need to protect, they’re still young.
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Shaheen might play 3 out of 5 games. Naseem should play as many as well. We have England and Ireland series as well so no need to overwork these bowlers atm.
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Hafeez and malik hit way better then shan and shadab
Umm sure. Among active Pakistani players, Shadab has the highest strike rate. Shan obviously struggles but his strike rate isn't any different from Malik’s or Hafeez's
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Anything he will try with his mate Rizwan will be risky. Rizwan might perform at a position besides opening, and that will be the end of that for him. If he fails in that position, he will be rewarded with the opening slot again.
These guys are so dodgy I can’t trust them at all!
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Hafeez and malik are superior players. Anyone can see that, only a misbah follower can't
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Bro come on mate. So Shan is as good as Malik and Hafeez now?
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This is the same with mamoon, Deep down he knew 2019 team was superior, same way daytrader knows 2017 team sent against Sri Lanka was superior to our 2022 team playing the final.
It's just because both 2022 and 2023 are run by Babar, they can't bring themselves to admit that the guy who has an icc cup in a year vs babarwho has 0 in 5 years is superior.
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They are Misbah friends and from that era so it would be easier for me to support them. Numbers dictate otherwise
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They're all mediocre and nothing substantial to differentiate
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You said 2017 not 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023. As I said I don't have time to waste discussing a decade of cricket with you when you can't even differentiate formats
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Babar has enough experience. There is time for more mistakes now especially if he repeats the same mistakes then it is going to get bad for the team again.
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Former Pakistan head coach Misbah-ul-Haq speaking during an interview:
"Experience always enhances the captaincy, and there is always room for improvement. Babar needs to be stronger tactically. He needs to improve tactically on the mistakes we noticed in the past,"
"One thing Babar did well was rallying the team together at the start of the T20 World Cup, backing the players. Babar needs to try to back the players for the right reasons, not for the wrong ones. This is something Babar needs to learn. Secondly, he needs to be better tactically as a captain,"
"Lastly, the most important thing that I always say is setting an example. In your performances, your fitness, in everything, you have to push others by setting an example that everyone should do this. When you do this, improvement will come,"
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Former Pakistan head coach Misbah-ul-Haq speaking during an interview:
"Experience always enhances the captaincy, and there is always room for improvement. Babar needs to be stronger tactically. He needs to improve tactically on the mistakes we noticed in the past,"
"One thing Babar did well was rallying the team together at the start of the T20 World Cup, backing the players. Babar needs to try to back the players for the right reasons, not for the wrong ones. This is something Babar needs to learn. Secondly, he needs to be better tactically as a captain,"
"Lastly, the most important thing that I always say is setting an example. In your performances, your fitness, in everything, you have to push others by setting an example that everyone should do this. When you do this, improvement will come,"
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Comparing Shan, Malik & Hafeez is like comparing pink apples with red apples with green apples.
They are all apples at the end of the day, my friend, all apples.
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They are not all the same
Hafeez and Malik were very good white ball international players. Definitely had skill and quality from a sub continent pov especially against spin in the middle overs.
Shan’s only pro to these two is that he is a better player of pace in overseas conditions regardless of format. That’s it. Basic batting ability wise, Hafeez and Malik were far far superior to even Babar Azam in middle overs/technical battle play.
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I know they are not the same.
My point was that they were all average at the end of the day.
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SHoiab, hafeez and shan have nothing to do with babar's captaincy in this thread.
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Even the cricket guru him self have said it now
Confusing situation for some posters
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Misbah: Experience always enhances captaincy.
Also Misbah: I will make umar Amin the debutant my vice captain.
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Is it fair for Babar to play against New Zealand's bench strength side?
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Not a great start as captain:
Captain Babar Azam received an official warning from the umpire for starting the over late
Captain Babar Azam received an official warning from the umpire for starting the over late
He is insecure, he wont even rest against this ‘C’ grade team. This is the time to boost his poor w/l ratio.
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Well to be honest
SSA, NS, Amir etc - all should not play in these games and risk injury.
Agreed. This was the best time to test our bench strength before the T20 world cup. Either Rizwan or Shadab should have been leading the side consisting of
Sahibzada, Abbas, Irfan, Abrar, Haris, Azam, Haseeb ullah, Zaman, Dahani, Wasim jnr
After this series,talk of finding the right combination will inevitably begin. Some of these boys will be discarded or go back in the pecking order until the next PSL starts.
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While chasing the low target of 91 against New Zealand in the 2nd T20I, Babar Azam played with only a 107.69 strike rate and scored 14 runs off 13 balls.
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The King stands tall once again.While chasing the low target of 91 against New Zealand in the 2nd T20I, Babar Azam played with only a 107.69 strike rate and scored 14 runs off 13 balls.
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Dressing room awards continue under Babar Azam's captaincy. Shaheen the best fielder? I guess he was the best one in last game.
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Just 1 win away from being the most successful captain for Pakistan int T20Is. Excellent.
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seems very happy with his award
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Most wins as Pakistan skipper, Babar second only to IK, already gone past Inzimam Misbah and Wasim yet people don't him #YNWA
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Im taking him with reference to our greats and not comparing him with Ponting Masabas and Strauss
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Okay, but Babar Azam is thriving due to T20Is, as Pakistan is now playing more T20Is than Tests and ODIs
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Pakistani captains with the most victories
1. Imran Khan: 187 matches, 89 wins, 67 losses
2. Babar Azam: 136 matches, 79 wins, 44 losses
3. Wasim Akram: 134 matches, 78 wins, 49 losses
4. Misbah-ul-Haq: 151 matches, 77 wins, 60 losses
5. Inzamam-ul-Haq: 119 matches, 63 wins, 44 losses
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Pakistani captains with the most victories
1. Imran Khan: 187 matches, 89 wins, 67 losses
2. Babar Azam: 136 matches, 79 wins, 44 losses
3. Wasim Akram: 134 matches, 78 wins, 49 losses
4. Misbah-ul-Haq: 151 matches, 77 wins, 60 losses
5. Inzamam-ul-Haq: 119 matches, 63 wins, 44 losses
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This goes to show how deceiving stats are
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Can you also break down Tests, ODIs and T20s.
If you can’t do T20s for others, please just add ODI and Test stats for comparison
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Not Babar fault, t20 is the order of the day, not to mention Babar has a podium finish with Wt20 finalist if he wins this t20WC he will be immortal
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The problem of Babar Azam's strike rate can never be solved. He is playing with a strike rate of 113.04 against New Zealand in the 3rd T20I.
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Pakistan captain Babar Azam claimed yet another record during his 37-run knock in the third T20I match against New Zealand in Rawalpindi
Babar went past Aaron Finch's record for the highest number of runs as a T20I captain.
Babar surpassed Finch's previous tally of 2236 runs in the 67th innings whereas the ex-Australian captain had made these runs in 76 innings
Most runs as captain in T20Is:
Babar Azam: 2246* runs (67 innings)
Aaron Finch: 2236 runs (76 innings)
Kane Williamson: 2125 (71 innings)
Babar went past Aaron Finch's record for the highest number of runs as a T20I captain.
Babar surpassed Finch's previous tally of 2236 runs in the 67th innings whereas the ex-Australian captain had made these runs in 76 innings
Most runs as captain in T20Is:
Babar Azam: 2246* runs (67 innings)
Aaron Finch: 2236 runs (76 innings)
Kane Williamson: 2125 (71 innings)
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Brian Masaba is so relevant now since Babar returned as captain
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He was. What has this series got to do with the PSL? One track mind at it again.
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bro thats some misleading stats there, how many times have imran khan played zimbabwe bangladesh sri lanka, west indies of today and afghanistan? also more matches you play more you win, this should be based on W/L ratio not based on wins
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Sarfaraz & Babar vs sena (t20)
Sarfaraz vs Babar all (t20)
Sarfaraz vs Babar all (t20)
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Sarfraz of course was our best T20I captain. Hafeez I think was not far behind either.
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In the last 5 years, the following people have been removed as coaches but the match winner Babar Azam has remained untouchable as captain
Misbah ul Haq, Waqar Younis, Saqlain Mushtaq, Vernon Philander, Mathew Hayden, Shaun Tait, Grant Bradburn, Mickey Arthur, Andrew Puttick, Morne Morkel, Umar Gul, Mohd Hafeez
All these people above were at fault for everything that has happened to Pakistan Cricket but Babar Azam as captain never did anything wrong as a captain in the last 5 years.
Lol, someone asked a journalist what will happen if the Pakistani team badly under performs in the T-20 WC in the US, WI, he responded "Fiqar mat karo, yes jo log jo hain Gary Kirsten aur Gillespie ko bhi kha jaaeen ge"
Misbah ul Haq, Waqar Younis, Saqlain Mushtaq, Vernon Philander, Mathew Hayden, Shaun Tait, Grant Bradburn, Mickey Arthur, Andrew Puttick, Morne Morkel, Umar Gul, Mohd Hafeez
All these people above were at fault for everything that has happened to Pakistan Cricket but Babar Azam as captain never did anything wrong as a captain in the last 5 years.
Lol, someone asked a journalist what will happen if the Pakistani team badly under performs in the T-20 WC in the US, WI, he responded "Fiqar mat karo, yes jo log jo hain Gary Kirsten aur Gillespie ko bhi kha jaaeen ge"
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Funny part is all these coaches put together couldn't fix 1 babar
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Said it before PCB did an awful job of giving the captaincy to Shaheen for a series, then sacking him and then giving it back to Babar. Should have given Shaheen more time or if they wanted to change the captain, should have chosen someone else.
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Tbf he improved under bradburn and hayden.
When we employed foreign coaches in 2021 we improved. We flunked straight after the left cause they were temporary
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That's not true, he didn't improve at all. He's worked under so many people now, his lack of improvement is not even funny anymore. You just have to look at him and you can tell he doesn't have the body language of a captain. He can't even admit or pinpoint genuine problems or short comings in the team. His team selections and strategies are a complete joke.
For someone like the mild mannered Darren Sammy to hint at his frustrations with Babar's captaincy is very telling. Babar got back the captaincy this time like a typical corrupt Pakistani politician who uses corrupt sources, nefarious practices behind the scenes to acquire power and he didn't even hide it.
mominsaigol
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I'm the biggest critic of Babar, infact I'm the first one who highlighted all his issues on zero backfoot against spin.
I wasn't talking about captaincy, he still under them frustratingly opened and made horrific decisions.
However under foreign coaches his batting improved a bit.
Currently babar has regressed beyond belief. He's a shadow of his former self, not that his former self is anything to gloat about.
But he's been abysmal from 2022 onwards, and Babar during 2016-2019 wasn't bad as a player by any means, he was a decent accumulators and one anchorer is needed in odi atleast, hence why the big 3 were important.
After misbah took over he regressed badly having a pathetic 2020 outing struggling against Zimbabwe teams.
After misbah he improved in 2021 as a bat before regressing to a virtual tailender now post 2022.
As for captaincy, he was always a trash captain.
Savak
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Questions need to be asked from the selectors who apparently voted to reinstate him via Majority
Wahab Riaz was part of the decision to have him replaced, what prompted him to be part of the decision to reinstate him? Wahab is associated with Peshawar Zalmi
Yousaf, has always been off the opinion that the captain doesn't really matter much, its all about the players you have. Yousaf worked with Peshawar Zalmi as batting coach in the past
Razzaq was a frequent critic of Babar's captaincy in the talk shows, what prompted him to be part of the decision to support re-appointing Babar as captain?
The answer is pretty obvious, Javed Afridi and PZ played dirty to have Shaheen usurped and Babar reinstated and Babar shamelessly without giving a damn about the optics accepted the captaincy again.
Dr_Bassim
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Its astonishing how much influence and power Babar enjoys for being such an average player.
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Azhar Ali speaking in an interview:
"Babar's performance as a batsman has been good. He has consistently performed throughout his captaincy. If he couldn't perform well in the World Cup, it is okay. There have been some captains who have had similar experiences with poor performances in World Cups,"
"However, I don't think Babar has any issues with his captaincy. The whole captaincy episode wasn't ideal. Neither removing him was ideal, nor is reappointing him ideal. Now I hope the team supports him better and that there are no hard feelings from anyone,"
"Babar's performance as a batsman has been good. He has consistently performed throughout his captaincy. If he couldn't perform well in the World Cup, it is okay. There have been some captains who have had similar experiences with poor performances in World Cups,"
"However, I don't think Babar has any issues with his captaincy. The whole captaincy episode wasn't ideal. Neither removing him was ideal, nor is reappointing him ideal. Now I hope the team supports him better and that there are no hard feelings from anyone,"
Rana
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Azhar Ali basically just stated nothing really? He knows the art of staying irrelevant.
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TBH, he actually said nothing new. Everybody is saying a similar kind of stuff so it was more of to-stay-in-the news- kind of stuff than something that actually means something.
mominsaigol
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Tbf to babar he wasn't average. Fir our standards he was pretty good during the 2016-2019 era.
He had good shots, good strokes, could score well and many impact players in malik, hafeez, fakhar etc around him could gell it well.
Problem is from 2022 to 2024 he's declined rapidly and is now a virtual tail ender against spin and a medicore bat against pace.
Heck he started declining in 2020. I think media hype got to him and his milestone obsession as well as changes in techniques.
At his peak he was just a good accumulator, now he's horrible.
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