[VIDEOS/PICTURES] Bloodshed in the land of Palestine - 2023 Edition

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Israeli defence minister says soldiers 'in the heart' of Gaza City

Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant says Israeli troops are "in the heart of Gaza City".

"They came from the north and the south. They stormed it in full coordination between land, air and sea forces," Gallant said in a televised news conference, according to the Reuters news agency.

"They are manoeuvring on foot, armoured vehicles and tanks, along with military engineers from all directions and they have one target - Hamas terrorists in Gaza, their infrastructure, their commanders, bunkers, communication rooms."

BBC
 
Israeli defence minister says soldiers 'in the heart' of Gaza City

Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant says Israeli troops are "in the heart of Gaza City".

"They came from the north and the south. They stormed it in full coordination between land, air and sea forces," Gallant said in a televised news conference, according to the Reuters news agency.

"They are manoeuvring on foot, armoured vehicles and tanks, along with military engineers from all directions and they have one target - Hamas terrorists in Gaza, their infrastructure, their commanders, bunkers, communication rooms."

BBC
That does not sound good
 
Bloodshed in Palestine is not matter of religion. It's a matter of humanity.
 
The US Congress has voted to censure its only Palestinian-American member over comments she made on the Israel-Gaza war.

Michigan Democrat Rahida Tlaib was rebuked for her defence of the chant "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free".

The resolution formally condemned her for "calling for the destruction of the state of Israel".

The measure passed by 234 to 188 votes. Twenty-two Democrats voted to censure.

Ms Tlaib posted a video to Twitter on Friday that included a clip of protestors using the chant, which critics say calls for Palestinian control of all land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, including Israel.

The video also accused President Joe Biden of supporting genocide in Gaza and called for a ceasefire.

The Anti-Defamation League and Jewish groups say the slogan, used at protests around the world, is a call for the destruction of Israel.

Pro-Palestinian activists argue that most people using it are calling for an end to Israel's occupation of the West Bank and blockade of Gaza, not the elimination of Israel itself.

Ms Tlaib later defended her use of the slogan, calling it "an aspirational call for freedom, human rights and peaceful coexistence, not death, destruction, or hate."

The comment stirred up cross-party condemnation and criticism from allies in her own state, prompting two separate measures seeking to censure her.

Republican Representative Rich McCormick, who represents Georgia, introduced a resolution on Monday, accusing Ms Tlaib of "calling for the destruction of the state of Israel and dangerously promoting false narratives" about Hamas's attack on Israel.

Twenty-two Democrats joined the vast majority of Republicans voting for Ms Tlaib's censure.

After the vote, Ms Tlaib told the house that her comments were directed at the Israeli government.

"I can't believe I have to say this, but Palestinian people are not disposable. We are human beings, just like anyone else," she said.

More than 1,400 Israelis were killed in the 7 October attack by Hamas.

The Hamas-run health ministry says that more than 10,300 Palestinians have since been killed in Israeli attacks.

The Biden administration has dismissed calls for a ceasefire in favour of a humanitarian pause to allow aid, food and water into Gaza.

Source: BBC
 

Hezbollah warns of regional war if Gaza bombing goes on​

The second in command of Hezbollah - the powerful Iranian backed militia in Lebanon - has said Israel's killing of civilians in Gaza risks wider war in the Middle East.

Sheikh Naim Qassem told the BBC that "very serious and very dangerous developments could occur in the region, and no-one would be able to stop the repercussions".

Hezbollah's deputy leader was speaking in an interview in Beirut, as the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza said more than 10,000 people had been killed there.

Israel's assault follows the Hamas attacks on 7 October which killed 1,400 people - 1,000 of them civilians.

"The danger is real," he said, "because Israel is increasing its aggression against civilians and killing more women and children. Is it possible for this to continue and increase, without bringing real danger to the region? I think not."

He insisted any escalation would be linked to Israel's actions. "Every possibility has a response," he said.

Hezbollah, "the Party of God" has plenty of possibilities.

The Shia Islamist group - classed as a terrorist organisation by the UK, US and the Arab League - is the largest political and military force in Lebanon.

So far its response to the war in Gaza has involved amplifying its warnings, but carefully calibrating its actions.

When an Israeli strike killed a woman and three children in southern Lebanon on Sunday, Hezbollah used Grad rockets for the first time in the conflict, killing an Israeli civilian.

Hezbollah's leader, Hassan Nasrallah, has threatened that every civilian death in Lebanon will reap another across the border. But notably, he has not threated Israel with all-out war

While insisting that "all options are on the table" the militant group has confined itself to cross-border attacks, hitting mainly military targets. More than 60 of its fighters have been killed, but it has plenty more battle-hardened supporters to replace them. One fighter buried in Beirut this week was the fifth member of his family to die for Hezbollah, going back generations.

Throughout our interview the organisation's deputy leader tried to portray Hezbollah as a defensive organisation - though it is committed to Israel's destruction and sparked a war with Israel in 2006 by abducting two of its soldiers in a cross-border raid.

Sheikh Qassem claimed Israel "initiated the aggression against Gaza in a hideous way".

When the BBC pointed out that it was Hamas that had attacked Israel on 7 October, he defended the attacks as an inevitable response to Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands.

He repeated the unfounded claim that Israeli forces, not Hamas, killed many Israeli civilians. But what of the helmet cameras - worn by the Hamas militants themselves - showing them on a killing spree?

He parried the question. "Why don't we look at what Israel has done inside Gaza," he said. "They kill civilians and demolish homes."

Source: BBC
 

G7 calls for humanitarian pauses in Gaza, hostages' release​

TOKYO: G7 foreign ministers on Wednesday called for humanitarian pauses in the Israel-Hamas war to allow in aid and help the release of hostages, and sought a return to a broader peace process.

Ending a two-day meeting in Tokyo as Israeli forces continued to pound the Gaza Strip, the Group of Seven wealthy nations said in a joint statement that Israel had the right to defend itself. But they also underscored the need to protect civilians and to comply with international humanitarian law.

G7 members are committed to preparing long-term solutions for Gaza and a return to a broader peace process in the Israel-Palestinian conflict "in line with the internationally agreed parameters," the statement said.

The ministers shared the view that "a two-state solution... remains the only path to a just, lasting, and secure peace".

It was only the second joint statement from the G7 since gunmen from the Palestinian group Hamas triggered the war with an attack on southern Israel on Oct.7, killing 1,400 people and taking some 240 hostages.

The Israeli bombardment of Gaza has since killed more than 10,000 Palestinians, around 40% of them children, according to counts by health officials in the Hamas-ruled territory.

"I believe it's important that the G7 was able to put out its first unified message as a statement regarding a humanitarian pause... in terms of the responsibility the G7 has towards the international community," Japanese Foreign Minister Yoko Kamikawa told reporters.

Asked whether all G7 members were calling for humanitarian pauses or whether some favoured a full ceasefire, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said the statement accurately reflected what was discussed and that there was "real unity" among the bloc.

The communique also reiterated G7 support for Ukraine in its war with Russia, highlighted the need for frank engagement with China and condemned North Korea's missile tests and arms transfers to Russia.

The G7 comprises Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the United States, with the European Union also taking part in the talks.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said Israel would consider "tactical little pauses" but has rejected calls for a ceasefire that it says would allow Hamas to regroup.

The G7 had appeared to struggle to agree on a firm, united approach to the war, raising questions over its relevance as a force to tackle major crises.

 
Rishi Sunak has described a planned pro-Palestinian march in London on Armistice Day as "disrespectful" - but has accepted that the protest will go ahead.

The prime minister met with Sir Mark Rowley this afternoon - and had vowed to hold him "accountable" for the commissioner's decision to greenlight the demonstration on 11 November.

Sir Mark had resisted calls to try and block a march taking place - and said that, after looking at intelligence, the legal threshold for a ban had not been met.

In a statement, the prime minister said: "Freedom is the right to peacefully protest. And the test of that freedom is whether our commitment to it can survive the discomfort and frustration of those who seek to use it, even if we disagree with them. We will meet that test and remain true to our principles."

He later added: "It's welcome that the police have confirmed that the march will be away from the Cenotaph and they will ensure that the timings do not conflict with any remembrance events.

"There remains the risk of those who seek to divide society using this weekend as a platform to do so. That is what I discussed with the Metropolitan Police Commissioner in our meeting.

"The commissioner has committed to keep the Met Police's posture under constant review based on the latest intelligence about the nature of the protests."

Sky News
 
Belgian deputy PM seeks sanctions on Israel

BRUSSELS: Belgium’s deputy prime minister called on the Belgian government on Wednesday to adopt sanctions against Israel and investigate the bombings of hospitals and refugee camps in Gaza.

“It is time for sanctions against Israel. The rain of bombs is inhumane,” Deputy Prime Minister Petra De Sutter told Nieuwsblad newspaper. It is clear that Israel does not care about the international demands for a ceasefire, she said.

De Sutter said the European Union should immediately suspend its association agreement with Israel, which aims at better economic and political cooperation.

She also said an import ban on products from occupied Palestinian territories should be implemented and violent settlers, politicians, soldiers responsible for war crimes should be banned from entering the EU.

At the same time, she said, Belgium should increase funding for the International Criminal Court in The Hague to ‘‘investigate the bombings while cutting money flows to Hamas.’’

DAWN​
 

Israel agrees to daily 4-hour humanitarian pauses in northern Gaza fighting​


Israel has agreed to daily, four-hour humanitarian pauses in the fighting in northern Gaza, National Security Council spokesman John Kirby confirmed Thursday morning.

Kirby announced to reporters that the four-hour humanitarian pauses will be implemented in northern Gaza beginning Thursday. The Israelis have informed the U.S. there will be no military operations in those areas for the duration of the pauses, and the timing will be announced three hours before the pause begins each day, Kirby said.

An Israeli official also confirmed the four-hour daily pauses, saying the reprieves are meant to allow people to move to the south of Gaza and obtain food and medicine.

"The fighting continues and there will be no ceasefire without the release of our hostages," the Israeli prime minister's office said in a statement. "Israel is allowing safe passage through humanitarian corridors from the northern Gaza Strip to the south, which 50,000 Gazans utilized just yesterday. We once again call on the civilian population of Gaza to evacuate to the south."

Kirby called the steps Israel is taking "good steps in the right direction" for complying with international law and ensuring the safety of civilians. Kirby warned that Hamas may try to discourage or prevent civilians from leaving.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had said he might be open to "little pauses" in the fighting for humanitarian reasons, but as his office indicated, he has dismissed the idea of a ceasefire.

President Biden told reporters Thursday morning that he has asked Netanyahu for a pause even longer than three days for hostage negotiations.

CIA Director William Burns and Mossad Director David Barnea are both visiting Doha, Qatar, for trilateral talks with the Qataris to work through the details of a potential humanitarian pause that would entail the release of hostages and the entry of more aid into Gaza, according to an official with knowledge of the visit. The official said talks have been progressing well towards a deal in the past few days.

Israel has been under pressure to improve humanitarian conditions for Palestinian civilians in Gaza, where a severe water shortage, overcrowded shelters and a lack of medical supplies have plunged civilians into crisis.

 
This is probably the one good news we hear since the start of this war. Hopefully, we will see a complete end of this fight soon.
 
Iran's Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian said Friday that expansion of the Israel-Hamas war has become "inevitable", amid widespread concern in the region and beyond that the conflict could spread.

On October 7, Hamas gunmen stormed across the heavily militarised border from the Gaza Strip to kill more than 1,400 people in southern Israel. Most were civilians. The militants also seized around 240 hostages, according to Israeli officials.

Vowing to destroy Hamas, Israel retaliated with an aerial bombing and ground offensive that the health ministry in the Hamas-run Gaza Strip says has killed more than 10,800 people, two-thirds of them women and children.

"Due to the increasing intensity of the war against the civilian residents of Gaza, the expansion of the scope of the war has now become inevitable", Amir-Abdollahian said to his Qatari counterpart, Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani in a phone call.

His comments were cited on the ministry's website.

The Islamic republic, which supports Hamas financially and militarily, has hailed the militant group's attack on Israel as a "success" but denied any involvement.

President Ebrahim Raisi has said Iran sees it as "its duty to support the resistance groups" but insisted that they act independently.

Tehran also backs the Lebanese movement Hezbollah, whose militants and allies have skirmished with Israeli forces along their border in deadly clashes since the Israel-Hamas war began.

A series of rocket and drone attacks have also targeted military bases hosting US and other forces in an anti-jihadist coalition in Iraq and Syria.

A group known as "Islamic Resistance in Iraq" has claimed most of those attacks, which Washington has linked back to Iran.

The United States has sent two aircraft carrier groups to the eastern Mediterranean as part of efforts it says aim to deter a wider war.

Raisi will join Arab leaders in the Saudi capital on Saturday for summits expected to underscore demands that Israel's attacks on Gaza end before the violence draws in other countries.

Iran does not recognise Israel and has made support for the Palestinian cause a centrepiece of its foreign policy since the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

Source: AFP
 
Netanyahu says IDF will control Gaza after war, rejects idea of international force

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says that the IDF will remain in control of Gaza after the war in comments likely to raise eyebrows in the international community, hours after he told Fox News that Israel does not want to re-occupy or govern the Strip.

Earlier this week, Netanyahu told ABC News that Israel will have “overall security responsibility” over the Gaza Strip “for an indefinite period” after the war against Hamas ends.

The latest comments are made in a meeting with the mayors of Gaza border towns — the first group meeting that Netanyahu has held with them since the war, something he came under fire for earlier this week when he chose to first meet with a group of settlement mayors.

“IDF forces will remain in control of the Strip, we will not give it to international forces,” Netanyahu tells the southern mayors, according to a readout from his spokesperson.

US officials have raised the idea in recent weeks that an international force of sorts, possibly with troops from neighboring Arab allies would manage security in the Gaza Strip for an interim period until it can be returned to a functioning Palestinian government, which Washington hopes will be the Palestinian Authority.

However, in his comments to the southern mayors, Netanyahu appears to reject the idea outright.

The mayors told Netanyahu that they want a different security reality after the war is over and urged him not to agree to a ceasefire until the last terrorist in Gaza is killed, the statement from the premier’s spokesperson says.

Netanyahu also promised the mayors that the government that the government will supply the Gaza border towns with economic aid to compensate for the damages incurred during the October 7 massacre.

Source: Times of Israel
 

Palestinians stream onto Gaza highway as Israeli forces strike near hospitals​

Thousands of Palestinians are streaming onto Gaza's only highway as they try to flee the combat zone in the north, after Israel announced a window for safe passage.

It comes as Israeli forces struck near several hospitals in Gaza City as the military pushes further into dense urban neighbourhoods.

Parents carried children in their arms while others brought what possessions they could in animal-drawn carts in a line stretching as far as the eye could see.

The accelerating exodus to the south came as Israel agreed to start implementing a four-hour humanitarian pause each day and to open a second route for people to flee the north, the White House said.

Those fleeing to the south face the prospect of ongoing airstrikes there, and dire humanitarian conditions.

More and more people have been living in and around Shifa Hospital - the largest hospital in Gaza - in the hope that it will be safer than their homes or United Nations shelters in the north, several of which have been hit repeatedly.

Early on Friday, Israel struck the hospital's courtyard and obstetrics department, according to the head of the Hamas-run media office in Gaza, Salama Maarouf.

The Health Ministry in Gaza later said one person had been killed at Shifa Hospital and several others wounded.

Israel has accused Hamas fighters of hiding in hospitals and using the Shifa Hospital complex as its main command centre, which the militant group and hospital staff deny, saying Israel is creating a pretext to strike it.

More than 10,800 Palestinians have been killed since the hostilities began, according to the Gaza health ministry.

More than 1,400 people have been killed in Israel, mainly in the initial Hamas attack, and more than 30 Israeli soldiers have been killed in Gaza since the ground offensive began.

Israel's military said it killed 19 Hamas militants overnight - including a company commander and a platoon commander who were involved in the 7 October attack - and also destroyed a shipping container that held some 20 rocket launchers.

Source: Sky News
 
Life is getting tougher with every passing day for the people of Gaza. Hopefully, we have long-lasting peace in the region soon.
 
What is the end goal here of Israel, they are nuts.

I would try to follow this on Twitter. Mainstream media in the west are pretty much supporting, justifying or making excuses for war crimes.

Yes there are profits for arms dealers but there is no other benefit at all apart from these crazed people trying to bring about the end times.

The West is in serious decline, like all empires they will go out with a bang. People living in the west seem to think this wont effect them but this is not reality. Israeli people are the only ones who can really stop this but boycotting, striking and demanding Netanyahu quits and the war ends. If not , this will escalate resulting in an economic crash, which will send inflation to huge rates, like never seen before. The civil unrest in the west will be on a huge scale, people here are not like the Palestinians, they break down if beer and fags cannot be afforded.

I would advise everyone to buy silver and gold right, you may need this to buy bread and milk for your family in a few years.
 
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I would try to follow this on Twitter. Mainstream media in the west are pretty much supporting, justifying or making excuses for war crimes.

Israel is a Zionist Messianic entity with huge support from Zionist Christians extremists in the west. Their end goal is the rapture. Yes there are profits for arms dealers but there is no other benefit at all apart from these crazed people trying to bring about the end times.

The West is in serious decline, like all empires they will go out with a bang. People living in the west seem to think this wont effect them but this is not reality. Israeli people are the only ones who can really stop this but boycotting, striking and demanding Netanyahu quits and the war ends. If not , this will escalate resulting in an economic crash, which will send inflation to huge rates, like never seen before. The civil unrest in the west will be on a huge scale, people here are not like the Palestinians, they break down if beer and fags cannot be afforded.

I would advise everyone to buy silver and gold right, you may need this to buy bread and milk for your family in a few years.
I agree partially, civil unrest is true but I think all this war is happening due to American corporations gas/oil/Defense needing a finance.

I think picture will be clearer after 2 years but it does seem like American interests are really getting secured in Europe and middle east right now.

Sunak’s BP links although a little far fetched will make him profit

BP:
Infosys-BP(his wife)

 
Evacuations from Gaza to Egypt suspended on Friday

Evacuations from the Gaza Strip into Egypt for foreign passport holders and for Palestinians needing urgent medical treatment were suspended on Friday, three Egyptian security sources and a Palestinian official said.

The Palestinian official and an Egyptian medical source said the suspension was due to problems bringing medical evacuees to the Rafah border crossing from inside Gaza.

Limited evacuations from Gaza to Egypt began on Nov. 1 and were paused twice in the past week due to bombardments that aid staff said hit or targeted medical convoys.

The Egyptian sources said several dozen foreign passport holders and their dependents as well as a small number of medical evacuees had entered Egypt on Friday before crossings were suspended.

On other days, several hundred foreign passport holders, dual nationals and dependents had been crossing.

Early on Friday, Gaza border authorities published a list of those newly authorised to cross, including groups from Canada, Romania, Russia, Brazil and Poland.


 
I agree partially, civil unrest is true but I think all this war is happening due to American corporations gas/oil/Defense needing a finance.

I think picture will be clearer after 2 years but it does seem like American interests are really getting secured in Europe and middle east right now.

Sunak’s BP links although a little far fetched will make him profit

BP:
Infosys-BP(his wife)


Braverman who is the the most ugly woman humanity has ever produced has family in the IDF. She should be asked if her family are committing war crimes, instead she is using this to stir up unrest in the UK. The problem for her is this isnt the 60's, its 2023. The far would get a beating but they will now attack their memorial cites in London, to blame it on the Palestine march.

There is also a plan to carve out a new shipping route via Gaza or just above to replace the Suez Canal. This cannot take place while their is resistance.
 
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Al Qassam brigades have broken through the tank line.

MSM isnt giving us IDF deaths but there are many. I cant post the Al Qassam videos, but please go check twitter.
 
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Braverman who is the the most ugly woman humanity has ever produced has family in the IDF. She should be asked if her family are committing war crimes, instead she is using this to stir up unrest in the UK. The problem for her is this isnt the 60's, its 2023. The far would get a beating but they will now attack their memorial cites in London, to blame it on the Palestine march.

There is also a plan to carve out a new shipping route via Gaza or just above to replace the Suez Canal. This cannot take place while their is resistance.
Yes I posted an article on that as well.
The canal is a big possibility, also the reason why China is getting actively involved as it affects them directly.
 
Macron calls on Israel to stop killing Gaza's women and babies

Israel must stop killing babies and women in Gaza, French President Emmanuel Macron has told the BBC.

In an exclusive interview at the Élysée Palace, he said there was "no justification" for the bombing, saying a ceasefire would benefit Israel.

While recognising Israel's right to protect itself, "we do urge them to stop this bombing" in Gaza.

But he also stressed that France "clearly condemns" the "terrorist" actions of Hamas.

France - like Israel, the US, the UK, and other Western nations - considers Hamas a terrorist organisation.

When asked if he wanted other leaders - including in the US and the UK - to join his calls for a ceasefire, he replied: "I hope they will."

Speaking the day after a humanitarian aid conference in Paris about the war in Gaza, Mr Macron said the "clear conclusion" of all governments and agencies present at that summit was "that there is no other solution than first a humanitarian pause, going to a ceasefire, which will allow [us] to protect... all civilians having nothing to do with terrorists".

"De facto - today, civilians are bombed - de facto. These babies, these ladies, these old people are bombed and killed. So there is no reason for that and no legitimacy. So we do urge Israel to stop."


 
Macron calls on Israel to stop killing Gaza's women and babies

Israel must stop killing babies and women in Gaza, French President Emmanuel Macron has told the BBC.

In an exclusive interview at the Élysée Palace, he said there was "no justification" for the bombing, saying a ceasefire would benefit Israel.

While recognising Israel's right to protect itself, "we do urge them to stop this bombing" in Gaza.

But he also stressed that France "clearly condemns" the "terrorist" actions of Hamas.

France - like Israel, the US, the UK, and other Western nations - considers Hamas a terrorist organisation.

When asked if he wanted other leaders - including in the US and the UK - to join his calls for a ceasefire, he replied: "I hope they will."

Speaking the day after a humanitarian aid conference in Paris about the war in Gaza, Mr Macron said the "clear conclusion" of all governments and agencies present at that summit was "that there is no other solution than first a humanitarian pause, going to a ceasefire, which will allow [us] to protect... all civilians having nothing to do with terrorists".

"De facto - today, civilians are bombed - de facto. These babies, these ladies, these old people are bombed and killed. So there is no reason for that and no legitimacy. So we do urge Israel to stop."


This is a good initiative by macron to stand against the inhumainty.
 
The UN General Assembly’s committees have passed six resolutions supporting the rights of Palestinians, including their sovereignty over natural resources in occupied lands and calling for an investigation into human rights violations by Israeli forces.

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UN adopts six resolutions in favour of Palestinians

UNITED NATIONS: Relevant committees of the UN General Assembly have passed with overwhelming majority six resolutions on the current situation in the Middle East and in the process also reaffirmed permanent sovereignty of the Palestinian people over natural resources in the occupied lands.

Another resolution re-endorsed the demand for UN agencies to probe human rights violations committed by the Israeli occupation forces.

During a two-day debate on the resolutions that concluded on Friday, Pakistan underscored its unwavering support for the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the population of the occupied Syrian Golan.

One of the resolutions authorising a UN committee to investigate Israeli practices affecting human rights of the Palestinian people and other Arabs of the occupied territories“ was approved by 85 to 13 votes, with 72 abstentions.

The resolution urges the General Assembly to demand that Israel cooperate with the Special Committee in implementing its mandate.

It expresses grave concern over the critical situation in the occupied Palestinian Territory resulting from unlawful Israeli practices and measures and calls for the immediate cessation of all illegal Israeli settlement activities.

It also calls for the lifting of the blockade of the Gaza Strip as well as the complete cessation of the excessive and indiscriminate use of force and military operations against the civilian population.

The Permanent Observer of the State of Palestine pointed out that the death toll in Gaza had crossed 11,000, but the Security Council remained paralysed. “It is not enough for the international community to reaffirm the principles set out in past UN resolutions. It must implement them as well,” he said.

The Second Committee approved three resolutions, including one demanding that Israel ceases the exploitation, damage, cause of loss or depletion and endangerment of the natural resources in the Occupied Palestinian Territory and in the occupied Syrian Golan.

By the terms of the draft resolution, the General Assembly would recognize the right of the Palestinian people to claim restitution as a result of any exploitation, damage, loss or depletion or endangerment of their natural resources resulting from illegal measures taken by Israel, the occupying power.

The committee approved the draft by a recorded vote of 151 to 6, with 11 abstentions.

Pakistani envoy, Ambassador Usman Iqbal Jadoon, told the committee that Pakistan remained deeply concerned about the alarming and dire security and humanitarian situation in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, particularly the Gaza strip, as a result of the latest wave of Israeli aggression.

He pointed out that close to 11,000 Palestinians, mostly women and children have lost their lives in Israeli attacks.

“The Israeli actions are a flagrant breach of international law including international humanitarian law and amount to war crimes and crimes against humanity,” he said.

The representative of the United States said that one-sided resolutions, either in the Security Council or the Fourth Committee, will not help to advance peace, but rather they will perpetuate long-standing lines of division.
DAWN
 
Clashes have broken out as right-wing protesters attempted to reach the Cenotaph in London.

A large crowd of people bearing St George's flags was seen walking along Embankment and shouting "England 'til I die".

A line of police attempted to stop them from reaching Whitehall but the group pushed through, with some shouting "let's have them" as officers hit out with batons.

Bottles were also thrown at police by the counter-demonstrators, many of whom were wearing masks.

The clashes happened just moments before the Armistice Day two-minute silence, when people across the UK commemorate the end of the First World War.

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, also known as Tommy Robinson, the former co-leader of the English Defence League, had called for his supporters to mass in the capital.

He was among the crowds along with former GB News presenters Laurence Fox and Calvin Robinson.

It comes as hundreds of thousands of protesters are heading to central London today to call for a ceasefire in Israel's war against Palestinian militant group Hamas.

The march has drawn criticism from the prime minister and home secretary because it coincided with the remembrance events.

Source: Sky News

 
Clashes have broken out as right-wing protesters attempted to reach the Cenotaph in London.

A large crowd of people bearing St George's flags was seen walking along Embankment and shouting "England 'til I die".

A line of police attempted to stop them from reaching Whitehall but the group pushed through, with some shouting "let's have them" as officers hit out with batons.

Bottles were also thrown at police by the counter-demonstrators, many of whom were wearing masks.

The clashes happened just moments before the Armistice Day two-minute silence, when people across the UK commemorate the end of the First World War.

Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, also known as Tommy Robinson, the former co-leader of the English Defence League, had called for his supporters to mass in the capital.

He was among the crowds along with former GB News presenters Laurence Fox and Calvin Robinson.

It comes as hundreds of thousands of protesters are heading to central London today to call for a ceasefire in Israel's war against Palestinian militant group Hamas.

The march has drawn criticism from the prime minister and home secretary because it coincided with the remembrance events.

Source: Sky News


Right wing showing what they are all about

 
Hundreds of thousands join Pro-Palestine march after far-right counter-protesters clash with police
Over 500,000 people were expected to attend the ‘historic’ march in London today on Armistice Day, calling for an immediate ceasefire in the Israel-Gaza conflict that erupted last month.

‘We are convinced it will be the biggest demonstration so far over Palestine,’ one of the group’s organisers told reporters.

The march- the route of which goes from Hyde Park to the US embassy in Vauxhall – has so far been peaceful.

However,fights between ‘football hooligans’ and police did break out in Whitehall as around 1000 far-right counter protesters marched on the Cenotaph ahead of a two-minute silence for Armistice Day.

A line of police attempted to stop them from reaching Whitehall but the group pushed through, with some shouting ‘let’s have them’ and ‘England till I die’ as officers hit out with batons.

A few dozen of them climbed the barricades waving St George flags. Many were wearing black balaclavas.

Far-right activist Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, also known as Tommy Robinson, is seen to be in attendance.

The Met Police drafted in 1,000 extra officers to form a ‘ring of steel’ around the event.

 
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Members of the Ultra-Orthodox Jewish community hold placards as they take part in the ‘National March For Palestine’ in central London, calling for a ceasefire in the conflict between Israel and Hamas.
 
Far-right protesters have clashed with police in London - as thousands of people join a pro-Palestinian march in the capital.

 
The Far right have once again embarased the country. Over 500k peacefully marched for Palestine, possibly the biggest protest in British modern history. While 1000 far right extremists attacked police while drunk on cheap cider.

The EDL, Britain first and many other far right groups are actually financed by pro-Israel sympathisers
 

Arab-Islamic summit rejects justifying Gaza war as Israeli self-defence​

An Arab-Islamic summit hosted by Saudi Arabia called for an end to the war in Gaza and rejected justifying Israel’s actions against Palestinians as self-defence.

The summit on Saturday condemned “Israeli aggression on the Gaza Strip, war crimes and barbaric and inhumane massacres by the occupation government”, a final communique said.

It also called for an end to the siege on Gaza, allowing humanitarian aid into the enclave and halting arms exports to Israel, following the meeting in Riyadh.

The leaders demanded that the UN Security Council adopt “a decisive and binding resolution” to halt Israel’s “aggression” in Gaza.

Originally, only the 22 members of the Arab League were expected to participate, but the meeting was later expanded to include the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), a wider association of 57 mostly Muslim-majority states to which the Arab League countries belong.

Al Jazeera’s Hashem Ahelbarra said that without consensus among the summit attendees, its outcomes are useless.

“People do understand that the Israelis don’t really care about what is happening at this summit between the OIC and Arab League leaders. When you look at the communique you get a sense that the Arab and Muslim leaders do not have a mechanism to push a ceasefire and humanitarian corridor,” Ahelbarra said.

“This summit was just for the sake of a semblance of unity … in the Arab and Muslim world. It’s a watered-down statement. Not all Arab leaders decided to attend this summit because of the huge differences and divisions among the key players of the summit. That’s why they put this vaguely worded statement for public consumption,” he added.

In the opening remarks, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) called for an immediate cessation of military operations in Gaza and the release of all captives and prisoners.

“This is a humanitarian catastrophe that has proved the failure of the international community and the UN Security Council to put an end to Israel’s gross violations of international humanitarian laws, and prove the dual standards adopted by the world,” he said.

“We are certain the only cause for peace is the end of the Israeli occupation and illegal settlements, and restoration of the established rights of the Palestinian people and the establishment of the state on 1967, with East Jerusalem as its capital,” MBS added.

Turkish President Recep Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that Israel was taking revenge on Gazan babies, children and women, as he renewed his call for an immediate ceasefire.

“What is urgent in Gaza is not pauses for a few hours, rather we need a permanent ceasefire,” he added. “We cannot put Hamas resisters defending their homeland in the same category as the occupiers.”

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas highlighted that besides Gaza, Israeli forces’ raids in the occupied West Bank have also escalated and called on the United States to put an end to “Israel’s aggression, the occupation, violation and desecration of our holy sites”.

“No military and security solutions are acceptable as they have all failed. We categorically reject any efforts to displace our people from Gaza or the West Bank,” Abbas added.

Qatar’s Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani questioned for how long the international community will treat Israel as if it is above international law.

“The international world remains immune in front of all these scenes. Who could have imagined that hospitals could be publicly shelled in the 21st century?” he asked.

‘A unified collective position’
Saudi Arabia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said the joint Arab League and OIC meeting was being held “in response to the exceptional circumstances taking place in the Palestinian Gaza Strip as countries feel the need to unify efforts and come out with a unified collective position”.

The OIC includes member states from across the Islamic world, including the Palestinian territories’ neighbours Egypt and Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey and Iraq.

Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, the president of Egypt, emphasised that the policy of “collective punishment” by killing, siege and forcible transfer, is unacceptable.

“This cannot be interpreted as self-defence and must be stopped immediately”.

With Iran repeatedly warning that the scope of war will expand if Israel does not stop its attacks, President Ebrahim Raisi also attended the meeting in Riyadh, marking the first visit by an Iranian president in 11 years.

“Blind bombardment against Gaza must stop,” Raisi said, adding that “Islamic governments should designate the army of the occupying and aggressor regime [Israel] as a terrorist organisation”.

Raisi highlighted that Washington is supporting Israel in the United Nations and vetoes resolutions that prevent the killing of Palestinians.

“It has paved the way for Israel to kill more, to bombard more and to shell more.”

Hold Israel ‘accountable’
Israel has not relented in its attacks on the Gaza Strip despite increasing calls for an immediate ceasefire, especially from the Arab and Islamic worlds.

The non-stop air raids and ground assaults – which came in response to the October 7 attack by Hamas which killed about 1,200 Israelis – have killed more than 11,000 Palestinians, mostly civilians.

Israel has significantly ramped up its attacks on hospitals in recent days, and the UN has said the lives of one million children in Gaza are “hanging on by a thread”.

The Arab League consists of 22 countries, including Syria, which was earlier this year accepted back after Arab leaders restarted talks with President Bashar al-Assad following a decade of civil war in the country.

The bloc’s Assistant Secretary-General Hossam Zaki said this week that it aims to demonstrate “how the Arabs will move on the international scene to stop the aggression, support Palestine and its people, condemn the Israeli occupation, and hold it accountable for its crimes”.

The joint summit comes amid a flurry of diplomatic activity across the region and beyond. Saudi Arabia had hosted an African-Saudi summit in Riyadh on Friday, where MBS called for an end to the war.

Leaders of Russia, Iran, Turkey and Pakistan convened in Kazakhstan’s capital Astana on Thursday for talks that included the situation in Gaza.

Source: Aljazeera
 
I hope that Arab-Islamic summit will make a positive impact in stopping the fight and the killing of the innocent people in Gaza.
 
Israel bombs Al-Shifa Hospital ICU; injuries reported

Israeli forces bombed Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza again on Saturday, this time targeting the Intensive Care Unit (ICU), injuring several staff members on duty and putting some baby patients at risk of death due to a lack of oxygen after a power outage.

Israeli forces bombed the ICU and the hospital is under intense attack, UK-based non-governmental organization Medical Aid for Palestinians posted a statement issued by Dr. Marwan Abu Sada, head of the Department of Surgery at Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza, on its social media account on X.

Dr. Sada also reported several injuries to on-duty staff members at the ICU and Al-Shifa Hospital.

Staff moving between buildings have been shot at and critically injured. Those who attempted to flee came under fire and are now dead or wounded in streets because rescue is impossible, he said.

He added that with the mortuary closed, a hundred bodies are piled up and cannot be buried.



 
Paris protesters call for end to Gaza massacre

PARIS: Several thousand people demonstrated in Paris on Saturday under the rallying cry “Stop the massacre in Gaza”.

The left-wing organisers called for France to “demand an immediate ceasefire” between Israel and Hamas.

“I came to support the Palestinian cause, for a ceasefire in Gaza,” said engineer Ahlem Triki, a Palestinian flag over her shoulders.

Hamas’s shock October 7 attack killed about 1,200 people, mostly civilians, in Israel and 239 people taken hostage, according to Israeli officials.

The Israeli air and ground military campaign in response has left more than 11,000 people in Gaza dead, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.

“It is elementary that as activists or simple citizens, you go out on to the street to support the Palestinian people,” said 85-year-old trade unionist Claude Marill.



 
Hussein al-Sheikh, secretary-general of the Palestine Liberation Organization Executive Committee, comments on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s press conference last night, saying that the premier’s “hatred of failure” is pushing him to “moral, humanitarian and political blindness,” which will lead to “further bloodshed, destruction and displacement.”

“Netanyahu came out yesterday to announce the strategic goal of the war: the complete reoccupation of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, forgetting or ignoring that his occupation is doomed, and we are the ones who will remain,” al-Sheikh writes on his account at X, formerly Twitter.

In a joint press conference with Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and Minister Benny Gantz, Netanyahu indicated that Israel would oppose the return of the Palestinian Authority to Gaza following the war — an aspiration expressed by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas over the past week, and with which Washington also reportedly agrees.

Gaza cannot be ruled by “a civil authority that educates its children to hate Israel, to kill Israelis, to eliminate the State of Israel… an authority that pays the families of murderers [amounts] based on the number they murdered… an authority whose leader still has not condemned the terrible [October 7] massacre 30 days later,” Netanyahu said of the PA last night.

The premier also reiterated that Israel will persist with its military offensive to eradicate Hamas in the wake of the terror group’s October 7 massacre.

Source: Times of Israel

 

Israel's president denies it is striking Gaza's Al-Shifa hospital​

Israeli President Isaac Herzog has denied that Israel is striking Gaza's largest hospital.

Reports from staff at Al-Shifa suggest the facility, sheltering thousands of Palestinians, has run out of electricity.

But Mr Herzog said "everything is operating" at the hospital.

Speaking to the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg he also said a copy of Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf was found on the body of a Hamas fighter in northern Gaza.

Mr Herzog said a copy translated into Arabic was found "just a few days ago" in a children's room that had been "turned into a military operation base of Hamas".

The Nazi leader's antisemitic manifesto was first printed in 1925.

Finding a copy of it in northern Gaza, Mr Herzog said, showed that some in Hamas "learned again and again Adolf Hitler's ideology of hating the Jews".

The World Health Organization (WHO) says it has lost communication with its contacts at Al-Shifa, with staff and patients trapped by fighting outside.

Doctors and the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza have said a lack of fuel there means patients cannot be operated on and incubators for premature babies cannot run. But the president disputed this.

"We deny this at all, there is a lot of spin by Hamas... but there's electricity in Shifa, everything is operating," Mr Herzog said.

Israel has said that Hamas has a base underneath the hospital building - a claim denied by Hamas.

Surgeon Marwan Abu Saada told the BBC on Saturday that the hospital had run out of water, food and electricity.

He said the sounds of shooting and bombardments echoed through the hospital "every second".

Israeli military spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari said Israel would help evacuate babies from Al-Shifa following a request from the hospital administration. A doctors group said on Saturday that two premature babies had already died.

Asked about growing calls for a ceasefire, including from France's President Macron, Mr Herzog asserted Israel's right to defend itself after the attacks of 7 October.

"We of course listen to our allies, but first and foremost, we defend ourselves," he said.

He acknowledged that there had been civilian deaths in Gaza but blamed Hamas for many of the tragedies.

Mr Herzog said his country's operations in Gaza were carried out "according to the rules of international humanitarian law", with Israel alerting civilians with phone calls and text messages, and urging them to evacuate from northern Gaza and "go down [to southern Gaza]".

"We give them humanitarian pauses so that they can go down [south]," Mr Herzog said.

More than 11,000 people have been killed in Gaza since the start of the war, according to the Hamas-run health ministry. More than 1.5m people are also displaced, according to the United Nations' agency for Palestinian refugees (Unrwa).

Source: BBC
 
These attacks on hospitals are totally unacceptable and they must be stopped immediately.
 
Even the sympathisers must have ran out of excuses to defend them of these barbaric killings of innocent babies and women.

One thing is certain, the so called democracies have shamefully allowed this to happen
 
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Nobody can tell whose side the is US standing on. America is confused about the whole situation I guess.

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US not to accept Israeli reoccupation of Gaza

WASHINGTON: US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan affirmed on Sunday that the United States will not accept the Israeli reoccupation of Gaza and will continue opposing the forcible displacement of Palestinians from the territory.

Hours after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hinted at the Israeli military assuming control of the Palestinian territory after the war, Sullivan stated on CBS News, “No reoccupation of Gaza, no forcible displacement of the Palestinian people.”

Explaining the US position, he said, “Gaza can never be used as a base for terrorism in the future, and Gaza’s territory should not be reduced.” Mr Sullivan also outlined a forward path, asserting, “Ultimately, we do want to see the reconnection, the reunification of control between the West Bank and Gaza under Palestinian leadership.”

Meanwhile, the Palestinian organisation overseeing the West Bank has informed the Biden administration it could consider running Gaza after the war — if Washington commits to a two-state solution.

In an interview with The New York Times, Hussein al-Sheikh, the secretary general of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO), emphasised that only a “full-fledged two-state solution (can) end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.”

The Palestinian Authority, he said, was seeking “a serious American initiative that would force Israel to abide by it, to commit to it.” The Biden administration, he said, was capable of doing that as it could also persuade Israel to accept the solution.

The Palestinian official, however, said that such a solution “must include an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank and a resolution of the status of East Jerusalem.” Mr Netanyahu, however, told reporters on Saturday that Israel would not accept Palestinian authority in Gaza and will retain “overall security control,” including the capacity to go in whenever we want to eliminate “terrorists”.

In his interview with CBS News, Mr Sullivan also expressed concern over rising civilian deaths in Gaza. “We do know there are thousands of innocent civilians who have been killed in the military operations that began after October 7,” he said.

The unprecedented civilian deaths in Israeli military raids have alarmed Washington too. Earlier this week, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken told reporters in New Delhi that “far too many civilians have been killed” in Gaza.

And last week, a top State Department official testified to Congress that the Gaza health ministry’s estimates of 11,000 Palestinian dead “may, in fact, be an undercount.” In earlier statements, US officials had dismissed Palestinian statistics as exaggerated.
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Israeli forces reached the gates of Gaza City's main hospital on Monday, the primary target in their battle to seize control of the northern half of the Gaza Strip, where medics said patients including newborn babies were dying for lack of fuel.

Gaza health ministry spokesperson Ashraf Al-Qidra, who was inside Al Shifa hospital, said 32 patients had died in the past three days, including three newborn babies, as a result of the siege of the hospital and lack of power.

At least 650 patients were still inside, desperate to be evacuated to another medical facility by the Red Cross or some other neutral agency. Israel says the hospital sits atop tunnels housing a headquarters for Hamas fighters using patients as shields, which Hamas denies.

“The tanks are in front of the hospital. We are under full blockade. It’s a totally civilian area. Only hospital facility, hospital patients, doctors and other civilians staying in the hospital. Someone should stop this," a surgeon at the hospital, Dr Ahmed El Mokhallalati, said by telephone.

"They bombed the (water) tanks, they bombed the water wells, they bombed the oxygen pump as well. They bombed everything in the hospital. So we are hardly surviving. We tell everyone, the hospital is no more a safe place for treating patients. We are harming patients by keeping them here."

There was also fresh concern that the war could spread beyond Gaza, with an upsurge of clashes on Israel's northern border with Lebanon, and the United States launching air strikes on Iran-linked militia targets in neighbouring Syria.

Israel launched its campaign last month to annihilate Hamas, the militant group which runs the Gaza Strip, after Hamas fighters rampaged through southern Israel killing civilians. Around 1,200 people died and 240 were dragged to Gaza as hostages according to Israel's tally, in the deadliest day in its 75-year history.

Since then thousands of Gazans have been killed and two thirds of the population made homeless by a relentless Israeli military campaign. Israel has ordered the total evacuation of the northern half of Gaza. Gaza medical authorities say more than 11,000 people have been confirmed killed, around 40% of them children.

Since Israeli ground forces entered Gaza in late October and quickly surrounded Gaza City, fighting has been concentrated in a tightening circle around Al Shifa, the enclave's biggest hospital.

Gaza health ministry spokesperson Qidra said an Israel tank was now stationed at the hospital gate. Israeli snipers and drones were firing into the hospital, making it impossible for medics and patients to move around.

"We are besieged and are inside a circle of death," he said.

Israel has told civilians to leave and medics to send patients elsewhere. It says it has attempted to evacuate babies from the neo-natal ward and left 300 litres of fuel to power emergency generators at the hospital entrance, but the offers were blocked by Hamas.

Qidra said the 300 litres would power the hospital for just half an hour, and Shifa needed 8,000-10,000 litres of fuel per day delivered by the Red Cross or an international agency. An Israeli official who requested anonymity said 300 litres could last several hours because only the emergency room was running.

Dr El Mokhallalati, the surgeon, said premature babies that would normally be in individual incubators were being lined up eight to a bed, kept warm with whatever power was left.

After three died there were 36 alive in the neo-natal unit, he said. "We are expecting to lose more of them day by day."

GUNBATTLE AT SECOND HOSPITAL
Fighting also took place at a second major hospital in northern Gaza, al-Quds, which has also stopped functioning. The Palestinian Red Crescent said the hospital was surrounded by heavy gunfire, and a convoy sent to evacuate patients and staff had been unable to reach it.

Israel said it had killed "approximately 21 terrorists" at al-Quds in return fire after fighters shot from the hospital entrance. It released footage purporting to show a group of men at the hospital gate, one of whom appeared to be carrying a rocket-propelled grenade launcher.

U.N. agencies observed a minute's silence on Monday for 101 staff members killed so far in Gaza, the largest toll of humanitarian workers since the U.N. was founded in the ashes of World War Two.

U.N. agency UNRWA is now housing around 800,000 people in Gaza, or half of those made homeless by the fighting. It said on Monday its emergency fuel depot for the enclave had finally run dry and it would soon be unable to run ambulances, resupply hospitals, provide drinking water or pump sewage.

The more than month-long conflict has polarised the world, with many countries saying that even the shocking brutality of the Hamas attacks did not justify an Israeli response that has killed so many civilians.

Israel says it must destroy Hamas, and the blame for harm to civilians falls on fighters hiding among them. It has rejected demands for a ceasefire, which it says would only prolong the suffering by letting Hamas regroup. Washington backs that position though it says it is pressing its ally to protect civilians.

Hundreds of thousands of residents are believed to remain in the northern part of Gaza, despite Israel's order to leave. Israel has also regularly bombed the south.

Health officials said at least 15 people were killed in three strikes in and near the main southern Gaza city, Khan Younis. At Nasser Hospital, people in private cars brought in casualties.

"There are dead bodies under the rubble, we need ambulances," one of the men cried.

The conflict has raised fears of a broader conflagration. Lebanon-based Hezbollah, which like Hamas is backed by Iran, has traded missile attacks with Israel.

The United States carried out two air strikes in Syria against Iran-aligned groups on Sunday, a U.S. defense official said. Iran-backed groups in Iraq and Syria have launched at least 40 drone and rocket attacks on U.S. forces.

Source: Reuters

 
Seven men have been charged over disorder on Armistice Day for offences including inciting racial hatred.

The Met Police said 145 people were arrested - the "vast majority" of whom were counter-protesters - and nine officers were injured on Saturday.

It condemned violence from right-wing counter-protesters who it says set out to confront the pro-Palestinian march.

Investigations into other offences - including antisemitic hate crimes - continue, police said.

The pro-Palestinian demonstration - which coincided with Armistice Day - saw some 300,000 people march through central London calling for a Gaza ceasefire.

It was the biggest UK rally since the war between Israel and Hamas began on 7 October.

Police added while the march itself did not see such physical violence, other serious offences were being investigated.

Source: BBC
 
Palestinian Territories: The health ministry in Hamas-run Gaza said Monday the death toll at Al-Shifa hospital rose to 34 since the weekend as the facility suffered fuel shortages.

The latest toll included 27 adult intensive care patients and seven babies, deputy health minister in the Hamas-run Gaza Strip, Youssef Abu Rish said.

The hospitals in the center of the heaviest north Gaza fighting have been forced out of service amid shortages and combat, the Hamas-run health ministry said Monday, adding the number of patients dying in the biggest medical center had risen.



 
Palestinian Territories: The health ministry in Hamas-run Gaza said Monday the death toll at Al-Shifa hospital rose to 34 since the weekend as the facility suffered fuel shortages.

The latest toll included 27 adult intensive care patients and seven babies, deputy health minister in the Hamas-run Gaza Strip, Youssef Abu Rish said.

The hospitals in the center of the heaviest north Gaza fighting have been forced out of service amid shortages and combat, the Hamas-run health ministry said Monday, adding the number of patients dying in the biggest medical center had risen.




Outrageous.

This conflict is highlighting the hypocrisy of West. They cry about Ukrainians but are barely doing anything regarding Gaza.

West was always hypocritical. This conflict is highlighting it further.
 
Outrageous.

This conflict is highlighting the hypocrisy of West. They cry about Ukrainians but are barely doing anything regarding Gaza.

West was always hypocritical. This conflict is highlighting it further.
Yes it is hypocritical. Agreed 100 percent. However do you think the rest of the world and muslim world in particular is also hypocritical for being silent of the mass killings of the yemenis by the saudis?? What about forced deportation of the afghans from pakistan . 1..7 million people i believe. What are your or other posters thoughts on that?
 
Targeting hospitals, women and children is nothing but brutality and is a war crime. Nobody can call it a defense when you are taking lives of few month old children, women and elderly people.
 
Targeting hospitals, women and children is nothing but brutality and is a war crime. Nobody can call it a defense when you are taking lives of few month old children, women and elderly people.
2 countries are known for not respecting any international law - USA and Israel. And they have always got away with it.
 
Sir Keir Starmer is considering putting Labour's position on the Israel-Hamas conflict to a vote on Wednesday in a bid to maintain party unity, the BBC has been told.

The Commons motion would criticise Israel's conduct in the war, while stopping short of backing a ceasefire.

Earlier, shadow foreign secretary David Lammy said Israel "must make changes" to its approach.

Dozens of Labour MPs have defied their leader to call for a ceasefire.

And 19 members of the frontbench have also publicly diverged from their party's official position.

A further shadow minister, Imran Hussain, quit his position last week in order to campaign for a ceasefire.

Sir Keir has argued that a ceasefire would not be appropriate, because it would freeze the conflict and embolden Hamas.

Labour's position is set to come under significant strain on Wednesday, with the Scottish National Party likely to secure a vote calling for a ceasefire.

This would be an amendment to the King's Speech, Rishi Sunak's programme for government unveiled last week.

Amid fears that several frontbenchers might resign their positions in order to vote for the SNP motion, Labour are preparing instead to submit their own motion.

"It's better to give the party a position to unify behind, rather than asking them to sit on their hands during the SNP vote," a party source said.

Another source said the motion was likely to call for a temporary "cessation of violence".

Supporters of Sir Keir's position are optimistic that the gambit could mean most resignations are avoided.

However, they concede that the question of backing a ceasefire has become the central issue for some of the MPs.

Source: BBC News


 
Yes it is hypocritical. Agreed 100 percent. However do you think the rest of the world and muslim world in particular is also hypocritical for being silent of the mass killings of the yemenis by the saudis?? What about forced deportation of the afghans from pakistan . 1..7 million people i believe. What are your or other posters thoughts on that?
Yes, all those are bad, and we have separate threads on them, so let's not conflate those issues on this thread please.
 
Yes, all those are bad, and we have separate threads on them, so let's not conflate those issues on this thread please.
My question is. And this is genuine question. Why the reaction is different to each situation. Facts wise more people have died in yemen around 350k people. But why don’t Muslims come out protest that? Is the Palestinian protest big because the killers are Jews ?
 
My question is. And this is genuine question. Why the reaction is different to each situation. Facts wise more people have died in yemen around 350k people. But why don’t Muslims come out protest that? Is the Palestinian protest big because the killers are Jews ?

Yeah you are right, more have died in Yemen in recent times, and more have died in Syria as well at the hands of al Assad. But I think the difference is this:

1) Israel is perceived by western countries to be morally 'in the right' and it makes it even more ifuriating. Whereas no one perceives Saudi or the Syrian government to be morally good. Because there is international consensus on the latter, there are less protests, IMO.

2) While there have been a loooot of deaths in Yemen and Syria. The entire country of Palestine ceased to exist as 90% of it has been annexed by Israel.

3) Also this statement, "why don't Muslims come out to protest that?" is factually incorrect. There have been many protests against what is happening in Syria and Yemen. Maybe not as many people, but there have been protests.
 
Yeah you are right, more have died in Yemen in recent times, and more have died in Syria as well at the hands of al Assad. But I think the difference is this:

1) Israel is perceived by western countries to be morally 'in the right' and it makes it even more ifuriating. Whereas no one perceives Saudi or the Syrian government to be morally good. Because there is international consensus on the latter, there are less protests, IMO.

2) While there have been a loooot of deaths in Yemen and Syria. The entire country of Palestine ceased to exist as 90% of it has been annexed by Israel.

3) Also this statement, "why don't Muslims come out to protest that?" is factually incorrect. There have been many protests against what is happening in Syria and Yemen. Maybe not as many people, but there have been protests.
All those are valid points. I don’t agree 100 percent with them. But more or less. How much of the reaction to the deaths of innocent in Palestine is due to the oppressor being Jewish?
 
The lives of 36 babies at Gaza’s Al Shifa Hospital were hanging in the balance on Tuesday, according to medical staff there who said there was no clear mechanism to move them despite an Israeli effort to supply incubators for an evacuation.

Three of the original 39 premature babies have already died since Gaza’s biggest hospital ran out of fuel at the weekend to power generators that had kept their incubators going.

The Gaza Strip has been under a total Israeli blockade since Hamas launched an attack on Israel on Oct. 7. An Israeli ground incursion since then has brought fighting to streets around the hospital in the center of Gaza City in the north of the strip.

The 36 babies, who weigh less than 1.5 kg (3.3 pounds) and with some as small as 700 to 800 grams, were now lying side-by-side on ordinary beds, exposing them to infection and without any individual adjustments to humidity levels and temperatures, staff said.



 
The lives of 36 babies at Gaza’s Al Shifa Hospital were hanging in the balance on Tuesday, according to medical staff there who said there was no clear mechanism to move them despite an Israeli effort to supply incubators for an evacuation.

Three of the original 39 premature babies have already died since Gaza’s biggest hospital ran out of fuel at the weekend to power generators that had kept their incubators going.

The Gaza Strip has been under a total Israeli blockade since Hamas launched an attack on Israel on Oct. 7. An Israeli ground incursion since then has brought fighting to streets around the hospital in the center of Gaza City in the north of the strip.

The 36 babies, who weigh less than 1.5 kg (3.3 pounds) and with some as small as 700 to 800 grams, were now lying side-by-side on ordinary beds, exposing them to infection and without any individual adjustments to humidity levels and temperatures, staff said.



It's really heartbreaking to see that even infants are not being spared from the ravages of war. :cry:
 
Israeli forces have entered Gaza's largest hospital in what the military says is a "targeted" operation

A journalist inside the hospital tells the BBC that soldiers are going room to room and questioning people but there is currently no shooting taking place

The same witness said commando soldiers had entered the main emergency department, with tanks also in the hospital area

Israel accuses Hamas of running a command centre in tunnels under the hospital and the US says it has intelligence that supports this

Hamas denies this and says the raid on the hospital is a war crime - hundreds of civilians have been sheltering there, alongside patients

The White House says civilians and patients must be protected, adding: "We don't want to see a firefight in a hospital"

Israel began striking Gaza after Hamas's 7 October attacks, in which 1,200 people were killed and more than 200 taken hostage

The Hamas-run health ministry says more than 11,000 people have been killed in Gaza since - of whom more than 4,500 were children.

BBC​
 
All those are valid points. I don’t agree 100 percent with them. But more or less. How much of the reaction to the deaths of innocent in Palestine is due to the oppressor being Jewish?
Fair point and it's a frustration I share. One should show compassion towards those suffering regardless of race or religion. As a British Pakistani it seems many in our community believe oppression starts and ends with Palestine and Kashmir.

However I think the reason why Israel-Palestine especially resonates is the status of Jerusalem which houses Al-Aqsa.

My own interest in the conflict is less to do with religion but sympathy for the underdogs (which's why I've a soft spot for the black community in America and Catholics in NI).
 
Fair point and it's a frustration I share. One should show compassion towards those suffering regardless of race or religion. As a British Pakistani it seems many in our community believe oppression starts and ends with Palestine and Kashmir.

However I think the reason why Israel-Palestine especially resonates is the status of Jerusalem which houses Al-Aqsa.

My own interest in the conflict is less to do with religion but sympathy for the underdogs (which's why I've a soft spot for the black community in America and Catholics in NI).
Are Yemenis , afghans, Armenians also not the underdogs?
 
Read the first paragraph of my reply to you and there's your answer.
Yes i did. I am an athiest but i would say i do have more concerns for the palestinain cause also. More then say yemenis, even when i know far more yemenis have died due to bombing and starvation. I have no animosity for the jews. I live in NYC and a good portion of my friends are jewish and one of my closest friend is an Israeli jew. But every time the palestinian situation comes up i read every single article published, see all the debates.....
 
290 odd voted against a ceasefire, while the majority of Brits are wanting a ceasefire.

It shows there is NO democracy in UK, most politicians are paid off.
 
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Labour MP Yasmin Qureshi has stepped down as Shadow Women and Equalities Minister.

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Israeli troops entered Gaza’s biggest hospital on Wednesday and were searching its rooms and basement, witnesses said, culminating a siege that caused global alarm after what Israel said was a deadly clash at the gates.

Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City has become the main target of the ground operation by Israeli forces, who say Hamas fighters have their headquarters in tunnels beneath it, which Hamas denies.

World attention has been focused on the fate of hundreds of patients and thousands of displaced civilians trapped inside. Gaza officials say many patients including three newborn babies have died in recent days as a result of Israel’s encirclement of the facility.

Israel said its troops killed fighters in a clash outside the gates, and had brought medical supplies for those inside.


 
Israeli troops entered Gaza’s biggest hospital on Wednesday and were searching its rooms and basement, witnesses said, culminating a siege that caused global alarm after what Israel said was a deadly clash at the gates.

Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City has become the main target of the ground operation by Israeli forces, who say Hamas fighters have their headquarters in tunnels beneath it, which Hamas denies.

World attention has been focused on the fate of hundreds of patients and thousands of displaced civilians trapped inside. Gaza officials say many patients including three newborn babies have died in recent days as a result of Israel’s encirclement of the facility.

Israel said its troops killed fighters in a clash outside the gates, and had brought medical supplies for those inside.


Atleast hospitals should be spared, it's a war crime.
 
Keir Starmer suffers major Labour rebellion over Gaza ceasefire vote

Sir Keir Starmer has suffered a major rebellion over his stance on the Israel-Gaza war, with 56 of his MPs voting for an immediate ceasefire.

Jess Phillips, Afzal Khan and Yasmin Qureshi were among shadow ministers who quit their roles to back the motion from the SNP.

Ten of the party's frontbenchers have left their jobs over the vote, including eight shadow minsters.

Sir Keir has instead backed pauses in the conflict to deliver aid.

Announcing she was quitting her role as shadow domestic violence minister, Ms Phillips said she was voting with "my constituents, my head, and my heart".

"I can see no route where the current military action does anything but put at risk the hope of peace and security for anyone in the region now and in the future," she added.

Ms Phillips, Mr Khan and Ms Qureshi, along with Paula Barker, announced they would be leaving shadow ministerial positions in the run-up to the vote.

Sir Keir had signalled before the vote that MPs holding such a role would be sacked if they backed the ceasefire call.

Other frontbenchers Sarah Owen, Rachel Hopkins, Naz Shah and Andy Slaughter have also left their roles after voting for the motion. Dan Carden and Mary Foy left posts as parliamentary aides.

In a statement after the vote, Sir Keir said he regretted the vote of some of his party.

"I regret that some colleagues felt unable to support the position tonight. But I wanted to be clear about where I stood, and where I will stand".

He said Israel had suffered "its worst terrorist attack in a single day" at the hands of Hamas on 7 October.

"No government would allow the capability and intent to repeat such an attack to go unchallenged," he added.

The vote was on an SNP amendment to a government motion on its plans for the year ahead, presented in the King's Speech last week.

It called for an end to the "collective punishment of the Palestinian people" and urged "all parties to agree to an immediate ceasefire".

It was defeated by 125 votes to 294, with the 56 Labour rebels joining other opposition parties to demand a ceasefire, against the Conservatives who opposed it.

There are 29 Labour MPs in the shadow cabinet, but around half of the party's 198 MPs hold some kind of frontbench position, including party whips.

Among the Labour MPs voting in favour of a ceasefire was Stella Creasy, who told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that, while she respected Sir Keir's position, she defied party instruction as a matter of principle.

"Nobody is under any illusions that a single vote in the UK parliament is going to change the situation on the ground," she said, but "advocating for a ceasefire is far better than the alternative of being silent."

SNP Westminster leader Stephen Flynn said it was "shameful that a majority of Tory and Labour MPs blocked calls for a ceasefire - and have condoned the continued bombardment of Gaza".

The voting took place amid demonstrations from pro-Palestinian supporters, who chanted "ceasefire now" outside Parliament.

The UK has seen a series of protest marches demanding a ceasefire in recent weeks, with an estimated 300,000 people taking part in a rally over the weekend, the biggest in the UK since the war began.

In a bid to defuse the ongoing row over the party's position, the Labour leader had tabled his own amendment spelling out his position, which was defeated - but garnered 160 Labour votes.

It supported Israel's right to self-defence after Hamas's "horrific terrorist attack" on 7 October, in which 1,200 people were killed, and called for the release of more than 200 people taken hostage.

But it also said there had been "far too many deaths of innocent civilians and children" since Israel began striking Gaza in response.

The Hamas-run health ministry says more than 11,000 people have been killed in Gaza since then - of whom more than 4,500 were children.

The amendment also called for longer humanitarian pauses to allow aid, calling this a "necessary step to an enduring cessation of fighting as soon as possible".

Sir Keir has argued that a ceasefire would not be appropriate, because it would freeze the conflict and embolden Hamas.

Labour, like the Conservative government, the United States and the European Union, is calling for "humanitarian pauses" to help aid reach Gaza.

Compared with a formal ceasefire, these pauses tend to last for short periods of time, sometimes just a few hours.

They are implemented with the aim of providing humanitarian support only, as opposed to achieving long-term political solutions.

Last week, the US said Israel would begin to implement daily four-hour military pauses in areas of northern Gaza.

There had been intense efforts to minimise frontbench resignations by strengthening criticism of Israel's conduct of the campaign in Labour's own motion.

There will be relief in Labour leader's office that no one who sits round the very top shadow cabinet table broke ranks to support the SNP's ceasefire motion- though they are now looking for eight more junior shadow ministers and two parliamentary aides.

While the rebellion stretched beyond Labour's left wing, the party leadership believe the scale of disunity won't be replicated in other policy areas.

The assessment is that the passion and pressures relating to the Middle East are unique.

Insiders say that Sir Keir's call for a pause not a ceasefire keeps him in lock-step with the EU and US.

But some of his closest allies frankly recognise that calls for a ceasefire from an opposition Labour leader will have no effect on Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu, never mind Hamas in Gaza.

So in that sense, there's little logic to calling for it.

But it means politically, he will have to face down continued pressure domestically to change position.

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