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[VIDEOS/PICTURES] Mohammad Haris - International Performance Watch

I think he deserves a longer chance. Yes, he failed today and looked out of sorts, but we'll never really know his ODI worth unless he is given a longer run.
Yes, we say he only has T20 temprement because we have only seen him play T20's. Give him a bit of time in the ODI arena I think, at the age of 22 he has potential
 
I personally think ODI is not for Haris and T20 is something that he should look to make his own.

Haris will look like million dollars on true wicket however when the wicket is sticky Haris is no good. Best use of Haris in sticky conditions is an opener.
 
Not ODI ready yet he needs some list A cricket experience first . Perfect for T20
 
For me he can be a good choice in T20Is for Pakistan at the top of the order but I don't see him good enough to be a part of the ODI side.
 
If you are playing him - send him in as an opener.

That's where he can cause the most damage to the opposition.
 
He should play a few T20I matches before he can be considered to be a part of ODI cricket.
 
Number 5 is a batsman’s position. Someone who can build an innings

Why was Iftikhar hiding at no.7 and Harris sent to bat at 5??
 
Saj said:
If you are playing him - send him in as an opener.

That's where he can cause the most damage to the opposition.
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Either opener or No7.

Can we please for a change just have specialist batsmen at 4 and 5. You can start throwing your so called allrounders later
 
He is just like a lapatu player, dont know how to improvise the game, he has only 1 shot in his book which is lock ur front leg and slog.. thats it!
Any good bowler can get him out after telling him.
 
mominsaigol said:
Theirs a difference though. I remember I said in my previous posts that technique highly matters. I said Abdullah and saud are going to be great because of solid technique and stroke play, a good technique player performs well if their confident enough, they don't struggle much. Even rizzu has good technique. People think he doesn't because he's limited in stroke play but he's clearly the best player in the world when it comes to sweep shots and his leg side play is unmatched in Pakistan.

Saim has all the shots in the world and a killer technique.

Mohammad haris lacks footwork and you can tell he's a hack.

Fakhar zaman with his baseball stance can't play anything angling away or into him, he just pulls and drives if its overpitched. He's done well in the past but bowlers have figured his weakness put now. Even Nepal was making sure to just angle it away from him and he got out.

Haider Ali had the most unsteady stance on the planet, he would have gotten exposed at international.

It's why I don't rate azam Khan either, dude has zero technique

Saim, Abdullah and saud all have the techniques and stroke play down, same with babar and rizzu, even imam tbf, but imam is a mental midget hence won't ever reach his full potential, his fitness and attitude clearly shows his downfall, going down the umar akmal and Shehzad route lol. Even omair bin aziz is good, we have a solid future

Only ? Mark is tayyab since his bharanga shots are great for pace, and despite people calling him a spin basher he looks like a tailender against quality spin, the spin bashing he did in emerging Asia cup was against bowlers who don't know how to spin, Shadab Level bowlers lol.
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What do you think of Haris' technique?
 
ExpressPacer said:
What do you think of Haris' technique?
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He's a hack, pretty much a slogger, but he has 🔥 intent, Don't expect Butler esc innings but I think he'll so fine at 7 in the final 5 to 10 overs.

He'll get exposed against spin 100% of the time though.

But rather have him then imam.
 
mominsaigol said:
He's a hack, pretty much a slogger, but he has 🔥 intent, Don't expect Butler esc innings but I think he'll so fine at 7 in the final 5 to 10 overs.

He'll get exposed against spin 100% of the time though.

But rather have him then imam.
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Definitely not a hack. Just when I thought your analysis was correct...

He's just been wasted down the order at a position where he is not a natural. Watch his runs flow and his technique shine when he is played at his natural position.

Case in point is Ravindra for the BlackCaps who was being wasted down the order where he looked like the second coming of Chris Martin. Brought to bat at his natural position though and he's become a world-beater.

But yeah, I definitely do think that Imam needs to make way. I've generally been an Imam fan but he's been horribly out of form and Haris shows much more potential anyway.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Definitely not a hack. Just when I thought your analysis was correct...

He's just been wasted down the order at a position where he is not a natural. Watch his runs flow and his technique shine when he is played at his natural position.

Case in point is Ravindra for the BlackCaps who was being wasted down the order where he looked like the second coming of Chris Martin. Brought to bat at his natural position though and he's become a world-beater.

But yeah, I definitely do think that Imam needs to make way. I've generally been an Imam fan but he's been horribly out of form and Haris shows much more potential anyway.
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"Definitely not a hack. Just when I thought your analysis was correct... "

You didn't have to do me like that 😑.

We'll see for haris, as I said I want him in the team, but I saw him open with saim ayub in t20.

Also in the emerging Asia cup, he himself was captain and willingly brought himself down the order at 6 or 7, sometimes he'd come in at 5 though.

In the emerging Asia cup, he was genuinely trying to avoid the middle overs and trying to come at the back end, but in t20 he opens usually.

The guy likes to attack pace and he's really really good at attacking pace, but he's clueless against spin. I watched the emerging Asia cup, he doesn't seem to like spin.

As for the whole wasted down the order, Haris himself whole captain preferred the no 5-7 position in odi, but prefers opening in t20.

He isn't a 100 century type scorer. If you want my opinion yes he should be in imam's place cause he can provide us a rock solid start in the first 10.

The guy just likes to get on with it.
 
mominsaigol said:
"Definitely not a hack. Just when I thought your analysis was correct... "

You didn't have to do me like that 😑.

We'll see for haris, as I said I want him in the team, but I saw him open with saim ayub in t20.

Also in the emerging Asia cup, he himself was captain and willingly brought himself down the order at 6 or 7, sometimes he'd come in at 5 though.

In the emerging Asia cup, he was genuinely trying to avoid the middle overs and trying to come at the back end, but in t20 he opens usually.

The guy likes to attack pace and he's really really good at attacking pace, but he's clueless against spin. I watched the emerging Asia cup, he doesn't seem to like spin.

As for the whole wasted down the order, Haris himself whole captain preferred the no 5-7 position in odi, but prefers opening in t20.

He isn't a 100 century type scorer. If you want my opinion yes he should be in imam's place cause he can provide us a rock solid start in the first 10.

The guy just likes to get on with it.
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That's true. I don't know why he brought himself down in the emerging Asia Cup when his performances up top are so good. Ideal contenders for opening spots should be Abdullah, Saim and Haris, and possibly Fakhar/Imam if they regain form.

It might be the end of the road for FZ though. His official age is 33. Realistically, he's at least 35.
 
ExpressPacer said:
That's true. I don't know why he brought himself down in the emerging Asia Cup when his performances up top are so good. Ideal contenders for opening spots should be Abdullah, Saim and Haris, and possibly Fakhar/Imam if they regain form.

It might be the end of the road for FZ though. His official age is 33. Realistically, he's at least 35.
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He tried various different things to be fair.

That's why I said in an earlier post he shpuld be the next captain but thats obviously not going to happen it'll be rizzu probably.

But during that cup, he genuinely was a gun captain through and through.

Firstly he tried his entire bench strength, he literally played the weakest bench against India and lost a meaningless game because he wanted to groom some of them, and many of them came strong during the final where they smoked India.

He rotates bowlers as well and in terms of field setting its always attacking. He focuses more on stopping singles rather then boundaries.

He was solid for the cup. As for why he didn't open? Idk, but he did rotate himself from 5-7 and he did rotate every bat until he found everyone's ideal position. He only didn't rotate the openers. The rest everyone was rotated.

Gun captain and properly leader for Pakistan, but he is a hack in that he's pretty much a slogger and not a century maker, more so a guy who attacks pace and provides quick fire 50's consistently. Probably that's why he brought himself down, cause saim was already opening and you probably need quick fire 50's at the end of odi innings but for t20, it's more important to get the quick fire 50 at the start.

But yh as I said, I would make him pakistan's next captain and allow him to groom the emerging Asia cup team with babar, saud, Abdullah and rizzu also added into the mix. Keeping might be a problem though, since rizzu is still a better keeper. Haris' keeping skills are bang Average tbh.

Also I don't think haris likes keeping as much, he's often allowed azam khan who's an even worse keeper to keep in his place. I've followed haris for some time, don't know why he keeps if he doesn't like it and as captain he wanted others to keep.
 
mominsaigol said:
He tried various different things to be fair.

That's why I said in an earlier post he shpuld be the next captain but thats obviously not going to happen it'll be rizzu probably.

But during that cup, he genuinely was a gun captain through and through.

Firstly he tried his entire bench strength, he literally played the weakest bench against India and lost a meaningless game because he wanted to groom some of them, and many of them came strong during the final where they smoked India.

He rotates bowlers as well and in terms of field setting its always attacking. He focuses more on stopping singles rather then boundaries.

He was solid for the cup. As for why he didn't open? Idk, but he did rotate himself from 5-7 and he did rotate every bat until he found everyone's ideal position. He only didn't rotate the openers. The rest everyone was rotated.

Gun captain and properly leader for Pakistan, but he is a hack in that he's pretty much a slogger and not a century maker, more so a guy who attacks pace and provides quick fire 50's consistently. Probably that's why he brought himself down, cause saim was already opening and you probably need quick fire 50's at the end of odi innings but for t20, it's more important to get the quick fire 50 at the start.

But yh as I said, I would make him pakistan's next captain and allow him to groom the emerging Asia cup team with babar, saud, Abdullah and rizzu also added into the mix. Keeping might be a problem though, since rizzu is still a better keeper. Haris' keeping skills are bang Average tbh.

Also I don't think haris likes keeping as much, he's often allowed azam khan who's an even worse keeper to keep in his place. I've followed haris for some time, don't know why he keeps if he doesn't like it and as captain he wanted others to keep.
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I, for one, don't want Babar replaced as captain. If we groom someone else, that's fine. But the grooming process will take at least 2-3 years. I think Babar should be our captain until CT 2025.
 
ExpressPacer said:
That's true. I don't know why he brought himself down in the emerging Asia Cup when his performances up top are so good. Ideal contenders for opening spots should be Abdullah, Saim and Haris, and possibly Fakhar/Imam if they regain form.

It might be the end of the road for FZ though. His official age is 33. Realistically, he's at least 35.
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Do you know why cricketers fake their age BTW? Like chacha only being 32, rashid khan being 25, like bro I saw his pic from 11 years ago, that beard at 13 and that insane height yh no way 😂😂, Same way people expected everyone to believe shahid afridi was 16 when he made his debut lol.

Is their Any reason they fake it?
 
Send him back to the domestic to learn the art of building innings. Some batsmen are naturally gifted in that regard and some learn it with practice and time. Haris belongs to the latter category .
Haider Ali in the making if they continue to play him at top level
 
mominsaigol said:
Do you know why cricketers fake their age BTW? Like chacha only being 32, rashid khan being 25, like bro I saw his pic from 11 years ago, that beard at 13 and that insane height yh no way 😂😂, Same way people expected everyone to believe shahid afridi was 16 when he made his debut lol.

Is their Any reason they fake it?
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Well, faking your age by a couple of years is a big thing in Pakistan, and not just among cricketers.

Generally, people do this so they can have a later retirement age or so that if you fail a grade or two, you aren’t behind your year.

For cricketers, particularly in KPK, this age-fudging is just massively overblown!
 
I don’t really see an opportunity opening up for him. He can play in T20, but he still seems a bit hackish to me. I wouldn’t mind him taking the place of Iftikhar later on for some late order hitting, or even at the top of the order to take advantage of power play, but he’s gonna have a hard time getting into our team with Rizwan playing consistently right now.
 
Hack. At least at the moment. He needs a lot of work if he wants to progress beyond occasional T20 cameos. His most glaring weakness in terms of ODI cricket is his temperament. He wants to hit every ball, play outrageous shots every third ball. That doesn’t work in ODI cricket unless you are AB Devilliers in full flow. Even ODI power hitters need to be able to consume balls and build innings on most occasions. He just doesn’t have that ability at the moment. I rate Haseebullah higher than him in the ODI keeping hierarchy. Ideally, he shouldn’t even have been in the reserves.
 
Well if there was one Pakistani cricketer who had 0.5% chance of what Maxwell did, that will have to be M Haris.

After the World Cup Pakistan will have to pick between the slow consistent Rizwan or the young exuberant M Haris.
 
Mohammad Haris not selected for the T20I series against New Zealand as PCB looking to test out some new players.

Is it a right decision for men in Green?
 
Not good enough

Haseebullah is better…

Hahahahahhajhahahahajahahahahahahahahahahahaha
 
kingusama92 said:
Ridiculous decision to drop him.
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How so? He avgs below 30 in domestic cricket.

His performance has been going down and he got full chacne against the Afghanistan series which Pakistan lost.

He needs to develop first in domestic and bring his avg above 40.

Haseebullah is performing and has done well in limited overs.
 
The problem is Haris has played 15 games in international cricket already. He’s going to be in danger of racking up a truly awful record which will be tough to come back from. His domestic record isn’t exactly fantastic either. His overall sr isn’t high in internationals too which indicates he’s struggling out there, it’s not just him being ultra aggressive. Tbh there are very few batsmen who start off badly and end up making it, especially in Pakistan. The early performance often gives cricketers confidence and breathing space to forge out a career. The odds are already against Haris, which is why we shouldn’t be so quick to rush in players, more pick them when they have the highest chance to succeed.

We also made a mistake with his position. The middle slots were only realistically available to him. Even then fakhar and Saim are ahead in the pecking order for openers. There was no need to open with him against Afghanistan. There was also no need to open with him in PSL. He didn’t do great, moved down to 3 and did a lot better. If truly his best position is opener and he would be ruined middle order, you don’t play him at all, you wait till an opening slot becomes available. This confusion didn’t help at all. If I were him in PSL I would want to play middle order (preferably 3) to stake a claim for available middle order slots in internationals. It is far harder to realistically outperform Babar, Rizwan or Fakhar in PSL or internationals. Part of the reason Azam has been selected again despite issues, because we desperately need middle order batsmen not openers.
 
The selectors wanted to rest Babar and Rizwan for this series, they refused and protested and Hafeez stood by them. Haris had to sit out as a result. Player power and Saya Corp influence needs to be purged from Pakistan Cricket.
 
Major said:
How so? He avgs below 30 in domestic cricket.

His performance has been going down and he got full chacne against the Afghanistan series which Pakistan lost.

He needs to develop first in domestic and bring his avg above 40.

Haseebullah is performing and has done well in limited overs.
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Haseebullah also has an average below 30 in domestic cricket. He plays slower than Haris, struggled just as much in the National T20, and is a less dynamic T20 batsman in terms of strokeplay.

To drop a player after a few poor T20I matches is bizarre when he had a good showing under pressure in the WC.

This is why Pakistani batsmen get greedy out in the middle and never attack. It's better to bat like Imam and rack up good-looking totals than to up your strike rate.

I agree Haris has to continue to develop but this is only going to confuse him and likely set him down the wrong path development-wise.
 
kingusama92 said:
Haseebullah also has an average below 30 in domestic cricket. He plays slower than Haris, struggled just as much in the National T20, and is a less dynamic T20 batsman in terms of strokeplay.

To drop a player after a few poor T20I matches is bizarre when he had a good showing under pressure in the WC.

This is why Pakistani batsmen get greedy out in the middle and never attack. It's better to bat like Imam and rack up good-looking totals than to up your strike rate.

I agree Haris has to continue to develop but this is only going to confuse him and likely set him down the wrong path development-wise.
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In t20 the avg hovers around 20-30. While List A avg should be above 40.
Haseeb has played more than 50 games and has maintained a good avg, but Harris has shown poor performance at international level.

Harris has been throwing his wicket and needs to play more domestic cricket and develop his game.

You have been watching the game for years, and you would probably agree that your domestic performance reflects your performance at international level
 
Haris is the most confident player in the Pakistan team right now. The way he plays shows that he could become the next big power hitter for Pakistan much like Shahid Afridi, Imran Nazir, and Sharjeel Khan.
 
Could have played easily had Rizwan been rested for the series but no. Why will we give rest to any player? He will get a complete rest when he gets injured,
 
I'm starting to dislike this guy a lot. He talks to much for a player who averages 10 in professional cricket.

His recent statement "opening in Pakistan is very easy and I can easily smash 50 plus as an opener. Difficult positions are the ones I play in because no one else wants to play lower down the order."

Taking a shot at Babar Azam?
 
Sher Khan said:
I'm starting to dislike this guy a lot. He talks to much for a player who averages 10 in professional cricket.

His recent statement "opening in Pakistan is very easy and I can easily smash 50 plus as an opener. Difficult positions are the ones I play in because no one else wants to play lower down the order."

Taking a shot at Babar Azam?
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What’s wrong about his statement?
 
Sher Khan said:
I'm starting to dislike this guy a lot. He talks to much for a player who averages 10 in professional cricket.

His recent statement "opening in Pakistan is very easy and I can easily smash 50 plus as an opener. Difficult positions are the ones I play in because no one else wants to play lower down the order."

Taking a shot at Babar Azam?
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Where did he play in lower order?
 
Sher Khan said:
I'm starting to dislike this guy a lot. He talks to much for a player who averages 10 in professional cricket.

His recent statement "opening in Pakistan is very easy and I can easily smash 50 plus as an opener. Difficult positions are the ones I play in because no one else wants to play lower down the order."

Taking a shot at Babar Azam?
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Pathetic if true. No one tells him to play with a brainless mindset.
 
Opening is a cakewalk on these wickets. Babar and Rizwan scoring runs as openers devalues the competition standards

Nothing Haris has said is incorrect
 
Sher Khan said:
I'm starting to dislike this guy a lot. He talks to much for a player who averages 10 in professional cricket.

His recent statement "opening in Pakistan is very easy and I can easily smash 50 plus as an opener. Difficult positions are the ones I play in because no one else wants to play lower down the order."

Taking a shot at Babar Azam?
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He'll soon disappear from the scene with this pathetic mindset. Look at Aamir Jamal howz he making use of opportunities down the order.
 
Rana said:
Opening is a cakewalk on these wickets. Babar and Rizwan scoring runs as openers devalues the competition standards

Nothing Haris has said is incorrect
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Asif Ali, Mohammad Haris and Azam Khan will be your top 3 for T20s?
 
Sher Khan said:
I'm starting to dislike this guy a lot. He talks to much for a player who averages 10 in professional cricket.

His recent statement "opening in Pakistan is very easy and I can easily smash 50 plus as an opener. Difficult positions are the ones I play in because no one else wants to play lower down the order."

Taking a shot at Babar Azam?
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When did he say this?
 
Happy Birthday to the talented wicket-keeper batter, Mohammed Haris.

He represented Pakistan in 6 ODIS and 9 T20Is scoring a total of 156 runs across both formats.
 
mominsaigol said:
Probably not, usman khan amd rizzu are ahead of him, I doubt they'll want to take a 3rd wicket keeper
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He's not just a wicketkeeper though. His fielding anywhere on the ground is excellent and one of the few guys who can also bat in the middle order. Outside of Ifti, I am not even sure who has a guaranteed middle order spot and the options are limited too.

It was stupid he was left out in the last T20 series and it would be stupid if he's left out again.
 
Nasty Naz said:
He's not just a wicketkeeper though. His fielding anywhere on the ground is excellent and one of the few guys who can also bat in the middle order. Outside of Ifti, I am not even sure who has a guaranteed middle order spot and the options are limited too.

It was stupid he was left out in the last T20 series and it would be stupid if he's left out again.
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I want him in, but it ain't up to me mate
 
As you can see from my older posts on this thread, I doubted him in the past.

But if you actually look at his performances, he’s great as a T20 batsmen. These numbers are old now because another 5 months + PSL has passed, but I believe it was Mazher Arshad who posted that out of all of the batsmen in the world who had scored 500 runs, Harris was the only Pakistani batsmen who was in the top 50 for SR.

In the last PSL, he was the best striker and was hitting it at 186 SR. He got “rested” for the T20 series which makes absolutely no sense since he’s a young guy who only plays one format. Good T20 teams need a couple players who can score 30(10) type innings.

Should be an opener to take advantage of power play or just have the same top 3 as PZ.
 
160KPH said:
As you can see from my older posts on this thread, I doubted him in the past.

But if you actually look at his performances, he’s great as a T20 batsmen. These numbers are old now because another 5 months + PSL has passed, but I believe it was Mazher Arshad who posted that out of all of the batsmen in the world who had scored 500 runs, Harris was the only Pakistani batsmen who was in the top 50 for SR.

In the last PSL, he was the best striker and was hitting it at 186 SR. He got “rested” for the T20 series which makes absolutely no sense since he’s a young guy who only plays one format. Good T20 teams need a couple players who can score 30(10) type innings.

Should be an opener to take advantage of power play or just have the same top 3 as PZ.
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No, we need middle order and lower order. How many openers will you make?

Haris is perfect for 6,7
 
160KPH said:
The power play is the best for sloggers and power hitters.
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He already failed 3 games as an opener in the afghan series.

Opening is not for slogging. Ask major and he'll tell you why, he has experience playing club cricket and knows the difference between opening and middle order lol.

You need lower order hitters, which is something we lack, Our 5, 6 and 7 in the past have been chacha, Shadab and Nawaz/Usama lol. Even our no 4 suck(fakhar) atm.
 
mominsaigol said:
He already failed 3 games as an opener in the afghan series.

Opening is not for slogging. Ask major and he'll tell you why, he has experience playing club cricket and knows the difference between opening and middle order lol.

You need lower order hitters, which is something we lack, Our 5, 6 and 7 in the past have been chacha, Shadab and Nawaz/Usama lol. Even our no 4 suck(fakhar) atm.
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@Rana is the one who actually changed my mind about this. In T20, you need lower order hitters but you also need batsmen that maximize the power play. It’s such a short format that you want your explosive batsmen to play the most balls. Finn Allen is an example of someone who has not been that good in FC or List A but is absolutely destructive as a T20 opener.
 
160KPH said:
@Rana is the one who actually changed my mind about this. In T20, you need lower order hitters but you also need batsmen that maximize the power play. It’s such a short format that you want your explosive batsmen to play the most balls. Finn Allen is an example of someone who has not been that good in FC or List A but is absolutely destructive as a T20 opener.
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Rana and I have disagreed alot though? We agree on rizwan, Babar and many political takes but his fan 11 is completly different from my fan 11? My fan 11 doesn't feature azam Khan or any of it?.

My current fan 11 is

1) Saim Ayub (If he can avg 33 with sr of 157 in t20 its good)

2) Fakhar Zaman (Will still back him to open)

3) Babar (One anchorer is needed)

4) Usman Khan (Perfect position to spin bash)

5) Imad Wasim (no 5 proved to be his best position in psl)

6) Haris (Can be the no 6 lower order hitter we need)

^^ That would be my top 6.

Also haris randomly trying to attack each ball doesn't make him the most explosive batsmen, Usman Khan was our most explosive batsmen this psl if you count form. If you discount form, then azam Khan struck at nearly 200 but the 25 avg hammers him down obv.
 
mominsaigol said:
Rana and I have disagreed alot though? We agree on rizwan, Babar and many political takes but his fan 11 is completly different from my fan 11? My fan 11 doesn't feature azam Khan or any of it?.

My current fan 11 is

1) Saim Ayub (If he can avg 33 with sr of 157 in t20 its good)

2) Fakhar Zaman (Will still back him to open)

3) Babar (One anchorer is needed)

4) Usman Khan (Perfect position to spin bash)

5) Imad Wasim (no 5 proved to be his best position in psl)

6) Haris (Can be the no 6 lower order hitter we need)

^^ That would be my top 6.

Also haris randomly trying to attack each ball doesn't make him the most explosive batsmen, Usman Khan was our most explosive batsmen this psl if you count form. If you discount form, then azam Khan struck at nearly 200 but the 25 avg hammers him down obv.
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I’m not saying you agree with @Rana on everything. I’m saying that he changed my mind about how T20 opening should go.

I think your batting lineup is fine but I continue to think Fakhar is better later down the order. He was never good as a T20 opener, but he had a solid series as a #4. Honestly I think he’s probably gonna have some real competition to make the team because of how bad this PSL went for him.
 
160KPH said:
I’m not saying you agree with @Rana on everything. I’m saying that he changed my mind about how T20 opening should go.

I think your batting lineup is fine but I continue to think Fakhar is better later down the order. He was never good as a T20 opener, but he had a solid series as a #4. Honestly I think he’s probably gonna have some real competition to make the team because of how bad this PSL went for him.
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Fakhar is your X factor. The team should be giving him utmost confidence and hope that he's in form.

If fakhar was a guy who failed in a few innings but consistently scored 40- 60 scores and occasionally scored a mighty 150+, He'd already he an ATG.

The problem is, he mostly fails and flops 95% of the time and will occasionally play a blinder which prevents him from being an atg or even world class or even good lol.

Regardless he needs to be given utmost confidence and not removed, because it could backfire, like it did in ct when shehzad was mainstay over him for a couple of games or when imam was mainstay over him for a couple of wc games.

He even came good in 2021 seminfinal, he fixed babar's atrocious innings, if only he opened that day.
 
mominsaigol said:
Also haris randomly trying to attack each ball doesn't make him the most explosive batsmen, Usman Khan was our most explosive batsmen this psl if you count form. If you discount form, then azam Khan struck at nearly 200 but the 25 avg hammers him down obv.
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Also this is true, but last year’s PSL, Haris had the highest SR. And then he got randomly “rested” by Hafeez even though he only plays one format and is 22 years old.

Also have to give some weight that he actually gave us some good performances in a WC. Haris and Shadab basically won the match against South Africa by themselves. Even this year he performed in the KO rounds when it mattered in PSL.
 
mominsaigol said:
Fakhar is your X factor. The team should be giving him utmost confidence and hope that he's in form.

If fakhar was a guy who failed in a few innings but consistently scored 40- 60 scores and occasionally scored a mighty 150+, He'd already he an ATG.

The problem is, he mostly fails and flops 95% of the time and will occasionally play a blinder which prevents him from being an atg or even world class or even good lol.

Regardless he needs to be given utmost confidence and not removed, because it could backfire, like it did in ct when shehzad was mainstay over him for a couple of games or when imam was mainstay over him for a couple of wc games.

He even came good in 2021 seminfinal, he fixed babar's atrocious innings, if only he opened that day.
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He’s an X factor in ODI, but never has been a X factor in T20. But when he was opener he would also often times waste the power play. I mean even in ODI innings a lot of times he starts off slow but he makes up for it by scoring big and accelerating the innings.

Fakhar is one of my favorite players and I want him on the team. But his SR as an opener was only 136 which is average. At #4 he has a SR of 176 which is incredible. Even if he is an X factor why not play your X factor in the position he plays the best at?
 
160KPH said:
Also this is true, but last year’s PSL, Haris had the highest SR. And then he got randomly “rested” by Hafeez even though he only plays one format and is 22 years old.

Also have to give some weight that he actually gave us some good performances in a WC. Haris and Shadab basically won the match against South Africa by themselves. Even this year he performed in the KO rounds when it mattered in PSL.
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He also single handidely won the match against bamgaldesh after our 2 joke openers flopped.

Haris isn't bad, but he needs to function as a makeshift option. He was a no 3 during that tournament.

Regardless, bring him up the order if rr is an issue.

But don't make him a permanent opener.
 
160KPH said:
He’s an X factor in ODI, but never has been a X factor in T20. But when he was opener he would also often times waste the power play. I mean even in ODI innings a lot of times he starts off slow but he makes up for it by scoring big and accelerating the innings.

Fakhar is one of my favorite players and I want him on the team. But his SR as an opener was only 136 which is average. At #4 he has a SR of 176 which is incredible. Even if he is an X factor why not play your X factor in the position he plays the best at?
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And? Babar and rizwan are at sr 129 and sr 122?

Bro it doesn't matter if hes been average in t20 and hasn't produced that magic, in 2021 he literally helped us get to a decent total. With babar and rizwan we were heading to 150 or below.

You need to give him confidence and hopes he'll come good like he did in 2021.
 
mominsaigol said:
And? Babar and rizwan are at sr 129 and sr 122?

Bro it doesn't matter if hes been average in t20 and hasn't produced that magic, in 2021 he literally helped us get to a decent total. With babar and rizwan we were heading to 150 or below.

You need to give him confidence and hopes he'll come good like he did in 2021.
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That’s my point though, I don’t want Rizwan opening the batting either. I’d rather have a more explosive batsmen than Babar as well, although if you look at the last couple of years in international and T20 Babar’s SR has gone up while Rizwan’s SR has gone down. If we somehow had 2 Saim Ayub’s that’d be ideal for opening.

Also my whole point is why play Fakhar at opening when he has about the same SR as Babar when you can play Fakhar at #4 and he has one of the best SR’s in the world. If he’s our X factor then we should play him at the position he’s the most explosive and destructive at.
 
mominsaigol said:
He also single handidely won the match against bamgaldesh after our 2 joke openers flopped.

Haris isn't bad, but he needs to function as a makeshift option. He was a no 3 during that tournament.

Regardless, bring him up the order if rr is an issue.

But don't make him a permanent opener.
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Yeah I wish teams in general had more fluid batting orders. I think the game will move towards that more as well. If you have a good foundation set there’s no point in sticking to the usual order, might as well have big hitters come in to take solid scores to amazing scores.
 
I think we should be talking more about Haris here. This is not a thread for fakhar or to discuss your squads here.

Haris has had a failed campaign in PSL recently just like Fakhar but both are impact players. Haris might still find his way into the team because he is a keeper and if Haseebullah, Azam and Rizwan can be in 1 team then Rizwan, Usman and Haris can be in 1 team as well.

But Haris has to bat down to order if he plays. Can he do that? Not sure. He is a top-order batter and played at the top position most of the time. So either he adjusts himself down the order, or else, I don't think he is going to make it.
 
160KPH said:
That’s my point though, I don’t want Rizwan opening the batting either. I’d rather have a more explosive batsmen than Babar as well, although if you look at the last couple of years in international and T20 Babar’s SR has gone up while Rizwan’s SR has gone down. If we somehow had 2 Saim Ayub’s that’d be ideal for opening.

Also my whole point is why play Fakhar at opening when he has about the same SR as Babar when you can play Fakhar at #4 and he has one of the best SR’s in the world. If he’s our X factor then we should play him at the position he’s the most explosive and destructive at.
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Look at haris' sr and you'll see it's even lower then babar's in international.

Fakhar's sr is low due to him failing, not because its actually low due to him not being able to strike.

Fakhar should have remained our white ball opener, his inconsistencies should have been ironed out.

I remember hafeez use to give him coaching advice. Fakhar use to be known as a fast bowling basher and an average player of spin, after hafeez's coaching it seemed to be opposite, he's usually pretty solid against spin but struggles against pace when it angles away from him.

I don't get how one player was able to iron out Fakhar's issues against spin but an entire coaching staff is unable to iron out his biggest weakness which is deliveries angling away for him
 
BouncerGuy said:
I think we should be talking more about Haris here. This is not a thread for fakhar or to discuss your squads here.

Haris has had a failed campaign in PSL recently just like Fakhar but both are impact players. Haris might still find his way into the team because he is a keeper and if Haseebullah, Azam and Rizwan can be in 1 team then Rizwan, Usman and Haris can be in 1 team as well.

But Haris has to bat down to order if he plays. Can he do that? Not sure. He is a top-order batter and played at the top position most of the time. So either he adjusts himself down the order, or else, I don't think he is going to make it.
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We're discussing why fakhar is more suitable to open then Haris, and comparing haris to other options like rizwan and Babar.

The main focal point is still haris in the discussion.
 
According to reports, Mohammad Haris is in line to get T20I captaincy.

Mohammad Haris captained Stallions in the recently concluded Champions Cup and has won the Emerging Asia Cup with Pakistan Shaheens.
 
FearlessRoar said:
According to reports, Mohammad Haris is in line to get T20I captaincy.

Mohammad Haris captained Stallions in the recently concluded Champions Cup and has won the Emerging Asia Cup with Pakistan Shaheens.
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then expect ur captain to say after losing every game "khushi hai k hum match haar gyai" :uakmal
 
FearlessRoar said:
According to reports, Mohammad Haris is in line to get T20I captaincy.

Mohammad Haris captained Stallions in the recently concluded Champions Cup and has won the Emerging Asia Cup with Pakistan Shaheens.
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Maybe a little too immature but still a welcome move. He is definitely the future of Pakistan's white ball Cricket.
 
FearlessRoar said:
According to reports, Mohammad Haris is in line to get T20I captaincy.

Mohammad Haris captained Stallions in the recently concluded Champions Cup and has won the Emerging Asia Cup with Pakistan Shaheens.
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That is very bold and maybe he won't be the best player on the team but at least he won't be a selfish captain. Sarfraz wasn't anywhere near the best player on the team as a captain either but succeeded because of his tactics and the mindset he instilled.

At this point, Pakistan needs to take bold and brave steps to change the rut they're in. They play old school cricket in a modern day world and having a captain who wants to play in that modern mindset is a good way to go.
 
Let’s put Harris’ batting aside for a second and discuss his captaincy. Is this guy international captaincy material? From what I have seen and heard, he has a good cricketing brain. He’s captained FC at the u-19 level, captained club cricket teams, and is known as “Mr Google” because of his tactics. I just hope the monicker doesn’t bite him like it did for “the professor.”
 
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