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Dude, I am an Indian. Please stop with the patronizing.
And also get your head out of whatever it is in that is making you cover up from some parts of reality and realize that Indian Muslims are not living in the same country that was 15-30 years ago.
Many educated and even those unedcated ones, who can somehow afford, are trying their best to leave the country and most Indian Muslims don't have a favorable opinion on BJP, Hindutva, RSS and Arya Samajh.
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Ur rt. Muslims pelting stones on every festival , living in ghettoes forever with out trying to assimilate with others , not objecting to apparent appeasement, not calling for peace when others are getting beheaded by barbaric people, not calling out software engineer who asked for coved jihad on linked in, not asking their own people raping dalits, still longing for triple talaq etc.lots of things are uncomfortable for peaceful guys.
Your starting sentence itself is a lie, which as per the Indian constitution devalues you if you claim to be Indian. Show me evidence of EVERY festival that Muslim pelt stones.
I bet you don't even know the preamble of India's constitution and neither the articles of fundamental duties.
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so u r saying pelting is not happening but rest are happening.
Ram Navami and Hanuman Jayanti violence: Why stone-pelting has become a norm in religious processions
This year the processions of Ram Navami and Hanuman Jayanti were attacked with stones in several states across the country
Gonda: Muslim mob attack Durga Puja pandal, pelt stones on Hindus
Muslims in the Gonda district of Uttar Pradesh stormed a Durga Puja pandal, pelted stones and attacked the devotees with sticks, injuring many including kids
www.opindia.com
May be muslims dont know all the fancy words mentioned you and u r simply lying
so u r saying pelting is not happening but rest are happening.
Ram Navami and Hanuman Jayanti violence: Why stone-pelting has become a norm in religious processions
This year the processions of Ram Navami and Hanuman Jayanti were attacked with stones in several states across the countrywww.firstpost.com
Gonda: Muslim mob attack Durga Puja pandal, pelt stones on Hindus
Muslims in the Gonda district of Uttar Pradesh stormed a Durga Puja pandal, pelted stones and attacked the devotees with sticks, injuring many including kids
May be muslims dont know all the fancy words mentioned you and u r simply lying
You said 'pelting stones on every festival'. In your examples where are 'Every' festivals?
Either you admit that is a typo and retract it because then you imply a false narrative or you admit you are lying. Which one would it be?
Again, do you know the preamble of India's constitution and the articles of fundamental duties? If you do or if you read it, then what does it say on 'truth' and 'harmony'?
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What do u mean by every festival? Those are the top 3 festivals where procession will go outside. It says muslims cant bear anyone outside their religion. dont add same text again and again .truth and harmony are known to Islamic terrorist in india .some of those muslims worked as professors too in reputed universities.
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Just on yesterday, one more peaceful stone pelting targeting devotees going to holy pilgrimage
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'Hindutva propaganda'.
Either it's Hindus who threw stones or it's a fabricated news. I don't care if it's TOI who reported it.
Either it's Hindus who threw stones or it's a fabricated news. I don't care if it's TOI who reported it.
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A section of people in india wants to make Stone pelting as their brand and guys across the border will talk about preamble as if they care about their democracy and constitution. They can't even elect .
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in your opinion what is the approximate percentage of sensible Muslims on this forum and what is your criteria that you used to arrive at that percentage ? For instance is someone who does not see
but as I have said more than once I stand by my posts and will give you proper explanation backed by facts,logic,rationale provided you have the time, discipline and etiquette to indulge in a long running discussion on this topic.
But it will not make any sense to most Muslims because of their upside down moral compass.
For instance in 2025 most Muslims in India/Pak/BD consider Ghazni,Ghori.Aurangzeb,Tippu, etc as "Heroes" and get really upset when challenged.
BTW this is not just on social media ... you can see this play out in real life in the form of dogged refusal to accept that some really sacred Hindu temples were destroyed by these vermins.
Also if you don't think I am normal please quote my posts that led you to that conclusion and I will clarify.
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There are no issues for the vast majority of the world even many Hindus in killing cows.edits in bold
But your personal beliefs shouldn't be mocked either. However, In your case you believe that if someone eats cow they should be killed or lynched. That puts you in the same camp as terrorists and extremists.
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Sati wasn't even followed in ancient India. The biggest example of that is the mother of Lord Ram didn't commit Sati after the death of Maharaj Dashrath.
Not in India. You think the constitution of India has cow protection articles just for shitz and giggles ?
forget mocked ... why are Hindu beliefs being pissed upon in 2025 ? .. and BTW these are not personal beliefs of me or anyone ... EVERY single Muslim in India knows what the cow means to a Hindu. There is a reason why cow protection is explicitly listed
Thats entirely your own imagination because my point on that topic is simply this: In India if Muslims are still killing cows in 2025 knowing very well how sacred they are to Hindus then they deserve absolutely no mercy at all especially considering that this is ongoing since many centuries. Ask me why and I will elaborate.
So the real question is ... why is this still happening today and why are you still championing the bigots who do not see any issues in openly mocking/ridiculing Hindus right here on this forum? How are these people "Normal" ?
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Many Muslims drink alcohol. But that doesn't mean its fine for a muslim to do so.
Slaughtering a cow is illegal and punishable in many states of India. It doesn't matter if its fine in most of the world. 1.5bn people can have their own laws and everyone has to follow it.
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If it is a law it should be respected as a law in those areas, but extra judicial murders should not be supported.
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They are your personal beliefs.
We have Hindus on this forum who eat beef and claim it is not forbidden. Muslims aren't governed by your personal beliefs. If something is sacred to some Hindu, why would an average Muslim care? Would you stop doing something if it is sacred to your Muslim neighbour?
Muslims should respect the law of the country; they don't have time to poll every single Hindu and ask them what is holy or not.
If they break the law, the police should arrest them.
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Again. Random guys on internet forum are not the authority on Hinduism.
Sanatan has the Shankaracharyas, the Ram Bhadracharyas and other religious leaders of their sects to decide what's not allowed and what is.
Slaughtering of cows is prohibited under law.
Hurting religious beliefs is a criminal offence under IPC 295A.
So yes, the avg muslim has to care what is sacred Hindus. They don't live in a muslim majority Islamic nation. And political patronage by a few parties won't protect them from the law.
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They don't have to care what is sacred to Hindus as suggested by uppercut. Just as you guys don't need to care what is sacred to Muslims.
They must care about what is legal or illegal in their country.
And while beef is illegal so is lynching. A sensible citizen would consider both to be crimes and not make excuses for either.
They are ABSOLUTELY NOT. These are very very widely accepted Hindu belief. And I will guarantee you that none of these posters will be able to challenge me ( let alone a proper Hindu scholar ) on this topic.
Just do this logical deduction .... You think the Cow protection clauses in the Indian constitution were just randomly added by aliens without anybody noticing ? And BTW all of this happened when Modi was literally in his nappies. Just THINK OR GOOGLE !!!!
wow !!!
And with that mindset you also expect nothing less than a perfect harmonious communal equation between the two communities ? And then you also claim to be "Normal" ? I mean What the fudge !!!
So lets flip this upside down .... do you really expect perfect harmony between me and a Muslim if I were to tell him that my toilet paper is printed with your most sacred holy text and for added effect the sketch of your prophet ? Yes I am REALLY Sorry that I had to use that analogy but after literally dozens of posts on this topic it is abundantly clear that Muslims have just ABSOLUTELY NO considerations towards Hindu beliefs at all !!!
Not just me ... the entire country does that !!! For example: Have you ever heard of a Quran burning episode or a Draw the prophet epsiode in India ? Again JUST THINK !!!
Nope ... simple common sense should prevail over even the Indian constitution or law and order. Is very sobering to see that even well educated Muslims have absolutely ZERO understanding of what religious harmony is all about.
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Ha ha, @uppercut quoted two separate posts making delirious responses to each line but he left that one out. Because he agrees with lynch mob reality but does not want to admit it openly.
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You are getting unnecessarily emotional. The beef ban in India isn't universally applied for starters and varies from state to state.
We have had many engagements with Hindus on this forum who claim beef isn't sacred to them, and many times, people like you claim that there is no orthodoxy in Hinduism. So don't get upset if people remain unsure as the information we have been provided with regularly changes.
I don't understand the reference to Modi.
You have seen my posts in the past where I have said it is better for Muslims to desist from eating beef if it offends Hindus. However, I am making a general point that irreligious people, beef-eating Hindus and Muslims who eat beef are not obliged to be sensitive to their own personal beliefs unless the law mandates it.
And in my eyes the one who takes law into his own hand is also a criminal. In your eyes, he has been provoked and hasn't really committed a crime.
That is the distinction and why I have said you are in the same camp as those who support lynchings for blasphemy, and if an Indian should do that to the Holy Quran, my hope and expectation would be that they are punished according to the law and people don't take the law into their own hands.
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but you don't care what is sacred to Muslims. I'm not sure why you have been so triggered by it.
Let's put it this way - Will you desist from idolatry because my belief says it's forbidden?
Your honest answer would be no - you don't care about my beliefs. You can respect them, but it isn't enough to influence your day-to-day life.
As long as people have respect that the belief is sacred to others then that is enough. You cannot expect them to share your devotion/pain etc. Thats unreasonable.
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Cows are not the personal property of hindus, they belong to every Indian. You sound like you belong to the Bajrang Dal.
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Can't agree more
Before we get to my honest answer ... whats YOUR own honest answer considering that your own religion says "for you be your religions and for me be mine" ?
so from a Muslim perspective ... killing cows is the way to go to show respect towards Hindu religion?
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If the government allows them to do it Muslims should be able to do it but not in a way that mocks Hindus.
Disrespect would be if they opened a slaughterhouse across from a temple or started to throw beef burgers at Hindu worshippers.
we are not talking about property rights ... this is about religious beliefs. Big fat difference between those two. This is exactly why I do not respond to you kindly.
ohh wait you probably consider OBL to be a martyr .... lol
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**** the govt. what does YOUR OWN Conscious say about it ?
thats due to your misunderstanding of what religious harmony is all about in the Indian context.
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Why should your deeply held religious beliefs get priority over my deeply help culinary beliefs ?
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My conscience isn't defined by your religious beliefs, though, is it? I wouldn't mind not consuming beef but if other Muslims wanted to consume it I'd ask that they did so sensibly in a way that doesn't antagonize their neighbours.
My conscience, according to my religion, says that idolatry is wrong. Yet, it would be incredibly unreasonable for me to expect you to feel the same.
If religious harmony is that Muslims must think, feel, and behave in a manner acceptable to Hindus, then it's not religious harmony; it is religious tyranny.
for the exact same reason as to why your beliefs should be respected by others ... don't bother responding as I will not.
Reason : there is no point in me debating someone who does not believe in mutual respect, courtesy, and tolerance towards other religious beliefs. And if I have to explain that in a manner that your brain would comprehend I will have to get down
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Unfortunately every word you wrote is true. India isn't a religious tolerant society anymore.
Most Indians (muslims or non muslims) leave the country for economic reason. They are not leaving and taking assylum in neighbouring countries due to religious persecution. Show me one Adnan Swami or Taslima Nasreen. Indian muslims are well aware that barking, stone pelting and then playing victim card is only permitted in tolerant Indian society. They will not dare to do it in Pakistan, Afghanistan or Dubai.
#PureFacts
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What do u mean you won't respond ? Why did u tag me in the first place (post #2662) if you don't want my reply. Very strange behaviour.
You do not show any tolerance or respect towards my deeply held culinary beliefs. You think it is of no importance to me but I assure you it is vital for me. I cannot live without beef.
Well mine and most Hindu conscience definitely is .... to the extent that I do not trample on your beliefs knowingly ( and thats the key word ) This is why there is NEVER ever a episode of Prophet drawing, or Quran burning or such like in India. Nor was there a episode of Mosque demolition ( Nope the Babri "Mosque" doesn't count ).
Infact India was one of the first countries to ban the satanic verses ( and I can go on ... ). All of that despite the horrors of partition and the never ending painful experience of having to live with a population that simply and categorically has no respect at all for Hindu beliefs.
So no. This is entirely an epsiode of Muslim bigotry in plain sight.
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Those things are prohibited by law in India and Hindus are protected by the same laws....i.e someone can't make pornographic image using Lord Ram.
You are quite keen to make things into bigotry just to bash Muslims.
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Is Rape part of Hindu teachings? I know many people who are Hindus and are rapists it's always on Indian new websites.My point was not irrelevant. @The_KING mentioned that Muslims are not allowed to drink alcohol to which I responded that may be the case but I have folks who are Muslims but are regular pub goers.
#Mate
As I said pretend that there is no law and order in India. therefore when was the last time you saw the Prophet being painted in India ?
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Why would I pretend that?
Painting Prophet isn't a normal day to day activity for the majority of the world.
Eating beef is.
it most certainly is NOT in India and most importantly every Muslim knows what it means when a cow is harmed.
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It isn't normal for you.
You aren't India. Muslims aren't required to have the same morality as you. They are required to follow Indian law only.
As I said ... pretend that there are no Indian laws out there that will stop Muslims or the Hindus from exercising their faith and then respond to my posts.
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I can't pretend to be that stupid.
Well that pretty much explains the problem. Let me know if you want me to elaborate.
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It seems like @uppercut thinks he is in charge of India. He should connect with a mental health professional.
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Any Indian is legally required to not insult another religion, else he will be prosecuted.
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A few months ago, one Brazilian woman was raped by 7 Indian men --> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-68444993.
Rape seems like a major issue in India. Women and minorities are not safe in India.
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Yes. It is a good law and as I have said in most cases GOI has balanced religious harmony well given the number of variables.
Are you comparing Quaran burning and drawing competition to eating beef? One done solely just to mock Muslims and the other which is a food source and common practice since the dawn if mankind?
India is the rape capital of the world.
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@uppercut lives in USA which is like the land of beef. Americans eat a lot of beef.
Surprised he migrated to USA considering how salty he is about people eating beef.
He had been replying to the comments in the wee hours of the night had me thinking he lived in India. Must be working late hours.@uppercut lives in USA which is like the land of beef. Americans eat a lot of beef.
Surprised he migrated to USA considering how salty he is about people eating beef.
Imagine Muslims getting offended at the sight of non Muslims drinking alcohol and start to attack pubs. I wonder what these Hinduvata clowns would say then. But it is okay for Hindus to attack Muslims who eat beef, according to their sick and twisted logic.
Alcohol is still a taboo in some cultures. Maybe slaughtering animals the wrong way may trigger some Muslims to launch an attack on the establishment?
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@uppercut lives in USA which is like the land of beef. Americans eat a lot of beef.
Surprised he migrated to USA considering how salty he is about people eating beef.
I pulled him up about this a few weeks ago when he described those who ate beef as worse than animals. Just seemed surprising he would move to a country which is the home of the beefburger if he felt that strongly about it.
Maybe he comes here to vent against Pakistanis because if he professed such opinions openly in America, he'd get KO'd pretty quick.
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Well if we go down that path, the harshest critics on this forum of the Israeli government choose to build a life in a land that created the Israel problem and fund it yearly but they continue to stay put.
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This was a result of the recent riots and not because the pub sold alcohol.
Not that it makes it better but the Muslim guys who attacked the pub went back to apologise to the owners as it was a result of mistaken identity. They thought the pub was hosting a fire right gathering.
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Actually one thing I learned from uppercut is that beef isn't just a dietary issue. It's like blasphemy and the biggest defilement of their religion possible.
I do understand his hurt and pain when something he sees as sacred is something we see as food source only.
It is a difficult gap to bridge.
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The harshest critics are usually Brit Pakistanis who have either been born or brought over by parents at a young age. If they made a conscious choice to move to England while criticising it I would agree with you.
You won’t find a single Muslim here who would justify this.
But we got Hinduvatas on this forum who justify attack on Muslims because they eat beef.
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Please accept my apology on their behalf. Beef and pork are meant to be eaten by anybody who chooses to.
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Not just KO'd. America is the land of 2nd ammendment. He may experience more than just a KO.
He is probably timid in real life.
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I'm sure he is Indian btw lol he's not from America
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read my post again ... there is a reason why I had the word "knowingly" in bold. Also it would help if you followed my posts on this topic.
What happened .... you got stuck again ?
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Oh wow my mind is blown.
exactly ... now try convincing any of your fellow Muslims on this topic and see how far you get. Good luck!!.
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Why should I need to convince them? It isn't sacred to them.
If I convince them will you stop idol worshipping and start fasting during Ramadan for them?
Let's see
I said that in the context of the latest episode of this discussion between me and you ... where you claimed to be normal.
Now you are speaking on behalf of everyone.
I can but he cant. Simply bcoz I hv enough knowledge in this subject having lived in India. The said poster is born and raised in UK...so he cant speak on behalf of all Pakistanis?
I mean you are a proud bharatiya mussalman. Tell everyone here honestly, are you a dara hua mussalman? No na. I am sure you are flourishing in Naii Dilli. So this concept of muslim bias is baseless.
C'mmom Viru bhai...tell these people how happy you are in Bharat and why these doubters are wrong. Bharat's izzat is in your hand.
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Exactly.
Muslim posters here always condemn bad things.
These BJP folks never condemn their own. Whether it is Gujarat riot or cow mob lynching, they make excuses and maybe even support. Truly brainwashed people.
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