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[VIDEOS] Why anti Muslim bias is so profound among Hindutva supporters?

Exactly.

Muslim posters here always condemn bad things.

These BJP folks never condemn their own. Whether it is Gujarat riot or cow mob lynching, they make excuses and maybe even support. Truly brainwashed people.

Do you even know the difference between good and bad ? :ROFLMAO:
 
Exactly.

Muslim posters here always condemn bad things.

These BJP folks never condemn their own. Whether it is Gujarat riot or cow mob lynching, they make excuses and maybe even support. Truly brainwashed people.

ohh yeah ? ask the person that you are responding to about why he invariably runs away from that topic about Godhra. Ohh wait you do the same .... i.e run as fast when I start chasing you ... might want to try building some intestinal fortitude.
 
Actually I have an idea. Whether there are muslim bias in India can't be answered by Indian Hindus or Pakistani muslims. Our perspective will always vary and it will be a never ending debate. I think the only people able to answer this question are Indian muslims themselves.

So I tag Indian muslims to come to this thread and let us know if you all get unfair treatment in India. Are you a Darra Hua Mussalman. Be honest though, else it will beat the purpose of this brilliant thread.

@Bhaag Viru Bhaag @kaayal @andy0204 @sam_ahm

Anyone else I missed?

@The Bald Eagle @DeadlyVenom - brothers you guys agree its a good idea?
 
Actually I have an idea. Whether there are muslim bias in India can't be answered by Indian Hindus or Pakistani muslims. Our perspective will always vary and it will be a never ending debate. I think the only people able to answer this question are Indian muslims themselves.

So I tag Indian muslims to come to this thread and let us know if you all get unfair treatment in India. Are you a Darra Hua Mussalman. Be honest though, else it will beat the purpose of this brilliant thread.

@Bhaag Viru Bhaag @kaayal @andy0204 @sam_ahm

Anyone else I missed?

@The Bald Eagle @DeadlyVenom - brothers you guys agree its a good idea?

its a brilliant idea to permanently silence the inverse man !! :bow:

🙃 :inti
 
in your opinion what is the approximate percentage of sensible Muslims on this forum and what is your criteria that you used to arrive at that percentage ? For instance is someone who does not see

@DeadlyVenom did you get a realtime example of what I mean by that ? let me know if you are still not convinced because as it stands at this moment you are the ONE AND ONLY ONE MUSLIM poster that came close to being normal.


For instance in 2025 most Muslims in India/Pak/BD consider Ghazni,Ghori.Aurangzeb,Tippu, etc as "Heroes" and get really upset when challenged.


BTW this is not just on social media ... you can see this play out in real life in the form of dogged refusal to accept that some really sacred Hindu temples were destroyed by these vermins.

any thoughts on that ?
 
@DeadlyVenom did you get a realtime example of what I mean by that ? let me know if you are still not convinced because as it stands at this moment you are the ONE AND ONLY ONE MUSLIM poster that came close to being normal.




any thoughts on that ?
Most of the Muslim posters who have commented are against extra judicial killing of beef eaters. It seems sensible to me.

With regards to people's feeling on Ghauri, Gahzni etc it's not a big deal to me as it is you. People seem to always take a biased look at history. You seem to think they were all evil and destroyed temples, yet overlook the temple destruction done by your side.

I'm happy to accept Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists leaders all had some flaws.

You are hung up on temple destruction but it's well documented by historians that Hindus destroyed their own temples during war too. A very quick example is when marathas destroyed a temple that Tipu Sultan actually had rebuilt.
 
Actually I have an idea. Whether there are muslim bias in India can't be answered by Indian Hindus or Pakistani muslims. Our perspective will always vary and it will be a never ending debate. I think the only people able to answer this question are Indian muslims themselves.

So I tag Indian muslims to come to this thread and let us know if you all get unfair treatment in India. Are you a Darra Hua Mussalman. Be honest though, else it will beat the purpose of this brilliant thread.

@Bhaag Viru Bhaag @kaayal @andy0204 @sam_ahm

Anyone else I missed?

@The Bald Eagle @DeadlyVenom - brothers you guys agree its a good idea?
If we agree, you will respond by saying you can't speak for all Muslims and then bring up examples like Irfan Pathan, who himself is a prominent example of a "dara hua Muslim." :inti
 
If we agree, you will respond by saying you can't speak for all Muslims and then bring up examples like Irfan Pathan, who himself is a prominent example of a "dara hua Muslim." :inti

Brother, Irfan Pathan is a public figure and he need to play to the gallery sometime for his bread and butter. So he being Dara Hua Mussalman is understandable.

However, you are anonymous here and got nothing to fear. So no one can give a better unbiased perspective of Indian muslims than you.

Like in movie Sholay, Basanti's izzat was in Dhanno's (the horse) hand...here Bharat's izzat is in your hand brother. Please answer this simple question honestly - as an Indian muslim do you get discriminated?

If your answer is yes, what my fellow Pak posters are saying will be proven right. Else we Sanatanis will stand vindicated.

Doodh ka doodh...paani ka paani.

Please dont sit on fence. Be a brave mussalman and answer this question.
 
You are a prime example of a "dara hua Hindu." It is rare to see a majority so preoccupied with seeking respect from a minority. :inti

salaam ... Janab Inverali Khan ... thanks for the re-confirmation in the opposite direction 🙃:inti


Let me know if you want me to type that in this direction: <-----
 
Any Indian is legally required to not insult another religion, else he will be prosecuted.

Who are you trying to paint this picture to?

Insults happen all the time. Many are swept under the rug because people fear for their safety or want to avoid causing discord. They absorb those insults.

You talking as if you know what's best for a secular country is an individualisitc take and not democratic. By Indian Constitutional law, an Indian Muslim has as much right to eat beef and claim that there is nothing wrong with it as an Indian Hindu has to revere the cow as their Mata. The Muslims are not insulting the cow by eating it. They are giving the animal their own form of respect and appreciation to their God. You seem to think otherwise.

You should be happy that, just because there are more Hindus, a beef ban is applied in the majority of states.

But don't think that forcing people to obey a whimsical law prohibiting beef has anything to do with secularism. Accept that Hindu law is more prevalent in India, not the Indian Constitution, which is secular. The beef laws can easily be argued to violate Articles 25 to 28.

Indian Muslims don't cause much ruckus over this because they are being respectful and charitable. The majority are willing to let go of their desire to eat cow meat because they want harmony.

You, on the other hand, should start claiming that the country is not secular but follows Hindutva or whatever law appeases your arrogance.
 
Actually I have an idea. Whether there are muslim bias in India can't be answered by Indian Hindus or Pakistani muslims. Our perspective will always vary and it will be a never ending debate. I think the only people able to answer this question are Indian muslims themselves.

So I tag Indian muslims to come to this thread and let us know if you all get unfair treatment in India. Are you a Darra Hua Mussalman. Be honest though, else it will beat the purpose of this brilliant thread.

@Bhaag Viru Bhaag @kaayal @andy0204 @sam_ahm

Anyone else I missed?

@The Bald Eagle @DeadlyVenom - brothers you guys agree its a good idea?

Brother, Irfan Pathan is a public figure and he need to play to the gallery sometime for his bread and butter. So he being Dara Hua Mussalman is understandable.

However, you are anonymous here and got nothing to fear. So no one can give a better unbiased perspective of Indian muslims than you.

Like in movie Sholay, Basanti's izzat was in Dhanno's (the horse) hand...here Bharat's izzat is in your hand brother. Please answer this simple question honestly - as an Indian muslim do you get discriminated?

If your answer is yes, what my fellow Pak posters are saying will be proven right. Else we Sanatanis will stand vindicated.

Doodh ka doodh...paani ka paani.

Please dont sit on fence. Be a brave mussalman and answer this question.

This thread seems to have died down a bit. Lots of people were going non stop about muslim treatment in India but when asked to take a stance, pin drop silence. This is called - ekdum se waqt badal diye, jazbaat badal di..oh bhai.

This is why I say to people, stop lying. It can only take you thus far.

@Devadwal - check this 😂
 
Brother, Irfan Pathan is a public figure and he need to play to the gallery sometime for his bread and butter. So he being Dara Hua Mussalman is understandable.

However, you are anonymous here and got nothing to fear. So no one can give a better unbiased perspective of Indian muslims than you.

Like in movie Sholay, Basanti's izzat was in Dhanno's (the horse) hand...here Bharat's izzat is in your hand brother. Please answer this simple question honestly - as an Indian muslim do you get discriminated?

If your answer is yes, what my fellow Pak posters are saying will be proven right. Else we Sanatanis will stand vindicated.

Doodh ka doodh...paani ka paani.

Please dont sit on fence. Be a brave mussalman and answer this question.
So based on the anecdotal treatment of one muslim Indian we can deduce the reality of Muslims in india? I have never been a victim of crime where I live. Does that mean crime doesn’t exist where I live?
You referenced a bollywood movie so I’m assuming you’re a fan. Well that will explain the quality posts we have been getting from you.
 
So based on the anecdotal treatment of one muslim Indian we can deduce the reality of Muslims in india? I have never been a victim of crime where I live. Does that mean crime doesn’t exist where I live?
You referenced a bollywood movie so I’m assuming you’re a fan. Well that will explain the quality posts we have been getting from you.
And we should accept India has Muslim bias based on the opinion of Pakistanis, some of whom have never been to India? It is not only hilarious but ironical from people of a country who calls themselves Islamic republic and gives no constitutional rights to its minorities is accusing others.

Where did I say crime doesn't exist in India? Ofcourse there are incidents where innocent muslims are targeted. No one denies that. Similarly I can give you hundreds of incidents where hindus, christians and sikhs are attacked by muslims as well. It is a country of 1.5 billion people and you will keep hearing these law & order issues every minute. However, to generalize that India has muslim bias is gross generalization.

I have lived in India, in muslim dominated areas of old city Hyderabad and Wasseypur in Bihar. I am well aware of things that happens there. They are all flourishing as a society let alone being victims.

Hence you will see muslim leader like Asaduddin Owaisi always maintained they are happy in India and Pakistani's must not poke its nose. Just like you are not seeing any Indian muslims willing to take a stand on this thread.


But but but...you being a Pakistani sitting in Canada and never been to India knows that there is a widespread muslim bias in India.

Laughable.
 
And we should accept India has Muslim bias based on the opinion of Pakistanis, some of whom have never been to India? It is not only hilarious but ironical from people of a country who calls themselves Islamic republic and gives no constitutional rights to its minorities is accusing others.

Where did I say crime doesn't exist in India? Ofcourse there are incidents where innocent muslims are targeted. No one denies that. Similarly I can give you hundreds of incidents where hindus, christians and sikhs are attacked by muslims as well. It is a country of 1.5 billion people and you will keep hearing these law & order issues every minute. However, to generalize that India has muslim bias is gross generalization.

I have lived in India, in muslim dominated areas of old city Hyderabad and Wasseypur in Bihar. I am well aware of things that happens there. They are all flourishing as a society let alone being victims.

Hence you will see muslim leader like Asaduddin Owaisi always maintained they are happy in India and Pakistani's must not poke its nose. Just like you are not seeing any Indian muslims willing to take a stand on this thread.


But but but...you being a Pakistani sitting in Canada and never been to India knows that there is a widespread muslim bias in India.

Laughable.
I have been to India. I have a lot of family based in India. We are not exactly concerned about the state of Muslims of India neither do we deny the horrible treatment of Pakistani minorities. Neither of us have any moral high ground to criticize each other. The problem though Indians pretend the problem doesn’t exist and it only happens in isolation which I don’t believe to be true. Muslims have to walk on tight rope and laws seem to favour Hindus over Muslims. We don’t elect political leaders that are openly racist and discerning to minorities. Although you can argue political parties are just dummies and Pakistan army is in charge of the country and they are the ones funding extremist groups like tlp and ttp that make life hell for our minorities. I wish the likes of TLP didn’t exist. They are the true ideological equivalent of BJP just they don’t have any real power. If Pakistan ever becomes a true democracy, these extremist groups will be wiped out in no time from the face of Pakistani politics and their supporters will disintegrate. The are emboldened by the support from the current establishment.
 
So based on the anecdotal treatment of one muslim Indian we can deduce the reality of Muslims in india? I have never been a victim of crime where I live. Does that mean crime doesn’t exist where I live?
You referenced a bollywood movie so I’m assuming you’re a fan. Well that will explain the quality posts we have been getting from you.

I have been to India. I have a lot of family based in India. We are not exactly concerned about the state of Muslims of India neither do we deny the horrible treatment of Pakistani minorities. Neither of us have any moral high ground to criticize each other. The problem though Indians pretend the problem doesn’t exist and it only happens in isolation which I don’t believe to be true. Muslims have to walk on tight rope and laws seem to favour Hindus over Muslims. We don’t elect political leaders that are openly racist and discerning to minorities. Although you can argue political parties are just dummies and Pakistan army is in charge of the country and they are the ones funding extremist groups like tlp and ttp that make life hell for our minorities. I wish the likes of TLP didn’t exist. They are the true ideological equivalent of BJP just they don’t have any real power. If Pakistan ever becomes a true democracy, these extremist groups will be wiped out in no time from the face of Pakistani politics and their supporters will disintegrate. The are emboldened by the support from the current establishment.


What are some of the worst crimes and the approx casualty list of Muslims that have happened under the BJP rule in the last 10 years ? I don't even need any source ... just according to your opinion.

Lets start with genocide or ethnic cleansing (Like what happened to the Kashmiri Pandit population in 1990.) Did something like that happen to Muslims ( in your opinion)
 
Who are you trying to paint this picture to?

Insults happen all the time. Many are swept under the rug because people fear for their safety or want to avoid causing discord. They absorb those insults.

You talking as if you know what's best for a secular country is an individualisitc take and not democratic. By Indian Constitutional law, an Indian Muslim has as much right to eat beef and claim that there is nothing wrong with it as an Indian Hindu has to revere the cow as their Mata. The Muslims are not insulting the cow by eating it. They are giving the animal their own form of respect and appreciation to their God. You seem to think otherwise.

What the hell ....and then you go on wondering why there are cow vigilantes in India i suppose? Disgraceful to say the least
 
Actually I have an idea. Whether there are muslim bias in India can't be answered by Indian Hindus or Pakistani muslims. Our perspective will always vary and it will be a never ending debate. I think the only people able to answer this question are Indian muslims themselves.

So I tag Indian muslims to come to this thread and let us know if you all get unfair treatment in India. Are you a Darra Hua Mussalman. Be honest though, else it will beat the purpose of this brilliant thread.

@Bhaag Viru Bhaag @kaayal @andy0204 @sam_ahm

Anyone else I missed?

@The Bald Eagle @DeadlyVenom - brothers you guys agree its a good idea?
If we agree, you will respond by saying you can't speak for all Muslims and then bring up examples like Irfan Pathan, who himself is a prominent example of a "dara hua Muslim." :inti
I fear the same as @Bhaag Viru Bhaag said when a Muslim poster will give testimony then someone may shift the goal post.
@Human786
 
I fear the same as @Bhaag Viru Bhaag said when a Muslim poster will give testimony then someone may shift the goal post.
@Human786
Let them give first na. Why are we pre-empting things?

All the posts about Indian muslims coming from Pakistanis where as Indian muslims themselves are maintaining pedestrian distance. It definitely raises suspicion on couple of things:

1. They are flourishing in India and this thread makes no sense. At max it is for domestic consumption of Pak posters.

2. They are scared for telling the truth even anonymously.

Glad you tagged @Human786 ...lets see if he can conjure some courage.
 
Let them give first na. Why are we pre-empting things?

All the posts about Indian muslims coming from Pakistanis where as Indian muslims themselves are maintaining pedestrian distance. It definitely raises suspicion on couple of things:

1. They are flourishing in India and this thread makes no sense. At max it is for domestic consumption of Pak posters.

2. They are scared for telling the truth even anonymously.

Glad you tagged @Human786 ...lets see if he can conjure some courage.
although I have plenty of stats from survey conducted on Indian Muslims too but will like to know from brother human786 first
Is everything as good as used to be under congress or what we suggest under Hindutva zealots not common tolerant Hindus. That we have some here too.
 
although I have plenty of stats from survey conducted on Indian Muslims too but will like to know from brother human786 first
Is everything as good as used to be under congress or what we suggest under Hindutva zealots not common tolerant Hindus. That we have some here too.
Yes good days of Congress party meaning saying first right on Indian resources belong to Indian muslims or 26/11 is RSS ki saajish or giving autonomy of a state based on religion.

If this thread is about muslims don't get those kind of privileges anymore in India, you are right. They don't. In future also they will never get those as mass majority have become smarter and understands Congress's appeasement politics.

However, there are no state wise discrimination towards them. They get the same benefits as every other citizen of India. But no appeasement.

@cricketjoshila read this. Slowly but surely true intention of this thread coming out. OP wants muslims of India to be enjoying same privileges as during Congress era else it has Anti muslim bias :ROFLMAO: :yk
 
Yes good days of Congress party meaning saying first right on Indian resources belong to Indian muslims or 26/11 is RSS ki saajish or giving autonomy of a state based on religion.

If this thread is about muslims don't get those kind of privileges anymore in India, you are right. They don't. In future also they will never get those as mass majority have become smarter and understands Congress's appeasement politics.

However, there are no state wise discrimination towards them. They get the same benefits as every other citizen of India. But no appeasement.

@cricketjoshila read this. Slowly but surely true intention of this thread coming out. OP wants muslims of India to be enjoying same privileges as during Congress era else it has Anti muslim bias :ROFLMAO: :yk
Congress considers Muslims as citizens not as "infiltrators" and we still are discussing the bias by Hindutva guys.
 
Most of the Muslim posters who have commented are against extra judicial killing of beef eaters. It seems sensible to me.

With regards to people's feeling on Ghauri, Gahzni etc it's not a big deal to me as it is you. People seem to always take a biased look at history. You seem to think they were all evil and destroyed temples, yet overlook the temple destruction done by your side.

I'm happy to accept Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists leaders all had some flaws.

You are hung up on temple destruction but it's well documented by historians that Hindus destroyed their own temples during war too. A very quick example is when marathas destroyed a temple that Tipu Sultan actually had rebuilt.

It is funny that @uppercut is salty about Mughals but not BJP.

BJP is taking India backward while Mughals took Indian subcontinent forward.

Here was the thread I made a while ago regarding positive contributions of Mughal Empire: https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...ons-of-mughals-in-indian-subcontinent.312941/.

Did Mughals do bad things? It is possible some of them did bad things. But, their overall contribution was positive.

I don't expect @uppercut to acknowledge these as he is blinded by hatred.
 
It is funny that @uppercut is salty about Mughals but not BJP.

BJP is taking India backward while Mughals took Indian subcontinent forward.

Here was the thread I made a while ago regarding positive contributions of Mughal Empire: https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...ons-of-mughals-in-indian-subcontinent.312941/.

Did Mughals do bad things? It is possible some of them did bad things. But, their overall contribution was positive.

I don't expect @uppercut to acknowledge these as he is blinded by hatred.


I will give you proper explanation for any historical claims that you are trying to peddle ... however do you have the requisite honesty, integrity and discipline to indulge in a long running serious discussion and not run away like you did earlier in this thread when you get stuck ?

The very fact that the local resident is endorsing your post is a bad start for you as it invariably means the opposite of what you are saying is true:inti
 
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It is funny that @uppercut is salty about Mughals but not BJP.

BJP is taking India backward while Mughals took Indian subcontinent forward.

Here was the thread I made a while ago regarding positive contributions of Mughal Empire: https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...ons-of-mughals-in-indian-subcontinent.312941/.

Did Mughals do bad things? It is possible some of them did bad things. But, their overall contribution was positive.

I don't expect @uppercut to acknowledge these as he is blinded by hatred.
I know you mostly run away from me but how is India going backward?
 
Let them give first na. Why are we pre-empting things?

All the posts about Indian muslims coming from Pakistanis where as Indian muslims themselves are maintaining pedestrian distance. It definitely raises suspicion on couple of things:

1. They are flourishing in India and this thread makes no sense. At max it is for domestic consumption of Pak posters.

2. They are scared for telling the truth even anonymously.

Glad you tagged @Human786 ...lets see if he can conjure some courage.
What courage ... Indian Muslims in cow belt & BJParty ruled states are being harassed , no 2 opinions about it . Hate & abuse on SM platforms like Twitter is unreal .
 
What courage ... Indian Muslims in cow belt & BJParty ruled states are being harassed , no 2 opinions about it . Hate & abuse on SM platforms like Twitter is unreal .

Stop generalizing. You want me to show social media hate from other side? That is social media for you.

Tell me your personal experience. Have you ever been harassed in Bharat or felt unwelcomed?
 
Imagine Muslims getting offended at the sight of non Muslims drinking alcohol and start to attack pubs. I wonder what these Hinduvata clowns would say then. But it is okay for Hindus to attack Muslims who eat beef, according to their sick and twisted logic.

Muslims can have whatever laws they want in their muslim majority country. We don't care.

In India, we have our laws. Follow it.

Why are pakistanis crying about this law? No one is asking pakistanis to follow it.
 
Who are you trying to paint this picture to?

Insults happen all the time. Many are swept under the rug because people fear for their safety or want to avoid causing discord. They absorb those insults.

You talking as if you know what's best for a secular country is an individualisitc take and not democratic. By Indian Constitutional law, an Indian Muslim has as much right to eat beef and claim that there is nothing wrong with it as an Indian Hindu has to revere the cow as their Mata. The Muslims are not insulting the cow by eating it. They are giving the animal their own form of respect and appreciation to their God. You seem to think otherwise.

You should be happy that, just because there are more Hindus, a beef ban is applied in the majority of states.

But don't think that forcing people to obey a whimsical law prohibiting beef has anything to do with secularism. Accept that Hindu law is more prevalent in India, not the Indian Constitution, which is secular. The beef laws can easily be argued to violate Articles 25 to 28.

Indian Muslims don't cause much ruckus over this because they are being respectful and charitable. The majority are willing to let go of their desire to eat cow meat because they want harmony.

You, on the other hand, should start claiming that the country is not secular but follows Hindutva or whatever law appeases your arrogance.

Cow slaughter ban law has been upheld by supreme court many a times. In 2005 a constitution bench of the supreme court upheld the laws banning cow slaughter.They know more about law than random online posters.

Article 48 of the Indian constitution directs to make laws prohibiting slaughter of cows. The first such law came into force in early 1950s.

Bihar Muslims in 1958 tried to argue before the supreme court that their rights are being curtailed by cow slaughter ban. Supreme court dismissed the petition.

Hindus are not demanding that India be made a Hindu country because they are being charitable to Muslims. Else once Muslims got their separate country a 90 per cent Hindu majority country had no reason to be secular.
 
What courage ... Indian Muslims in cow belt & BJParty ruled states are being harassed , no 2 opinions about it . Hate & abuse on SM platforms like Twitter is unreal .
Stop generalizing. You want me to show social media hate from other side? That is social media for you.

Tell me your personal experience. Have you ever been harassed in Bharat or felt unwelcomed?
Now the truth is before everyone. One can't change it by living in continuous denial
 
Now the truth is before everyone. One can't change it by living in continuous denial
@The Bald Eagle I would appreciate if my opinion is solicited as a human , if necessary Indian , absolutely undesirable as a Indian Muslim !
Modi in 11 years & his bunch o goons like Bisht , Sarma give hate speeches against minorities routinely , Media is under their foot , Election Commission is now a BJParty extension counter , even top rung Judiciary is under their thumb , shockingly Indian Army is now politicized ! Modi has been compromised during his 17 visits to China & we will lose major chunks of Ladakh & Arunachal by 2026 !
What this vile oaf has done in 11 years may not be UNDONE in next 3-4 decades ! Any Indian poster who denies this is a enabler of Fascism !!!
 
@The Bald Eagle I would appreciate if my opinion is solicited as a human , if necessary Indian , absolutely undesirable as a Indian Muslim !
Modi in 11 years & his bunch o goons like Bisht , Sarma give hate speeches against minorities routinely , Media is under their foot , Election Commission is now a BJParty extension counter , even top rung Judiciary is under their thumb , shockingly Indian Army is now politicized ! Modi has been compromised during his 17 visits to China & we will lose major chunks of Ladakh & Arunachal by 2026 !
What this vile oaf has done in 11 years may not be UNDONE in next 3-4 decades ! Any Indian poster who denies this is a enabler of Fascism !!!
Stop generalizing. You want me to show social media hate from other side? That is social media for you.

Tell me your personal experience. Have you ever been harassed in Bharat or felt unwelcomed?
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And also check the following survey on Indian Muslims
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It is funny that @uppercut is salty about Mughals but not BJP.

BJP is taking India backward while Mughals took Indian subcontinent forward.

Here was the thread I made a while ago regarding positive contributions of Mughal Empire: https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...ons-of-mughals-in-indian-subcontinent.312941/.

Did Mughals do bad things? It is possible some of them did bad things. But, their overall contribution was positive.

I don't expect @uppercut to acknowledge these as he is blinded by hatred.

Beyond economic growth, Indians (speaking broadly) seem to have regressed in several key areas. Despite becoming the 5th largest economy and generating significant wealth, many Indians are desperate to leave the country. In fact, during Modi's tenure as Prime Minister, more Indians have reportedly migrated illegally to Western nations than under any previous leadership.

We are now debating issues of basic human decency, that no one should be killed over the suspicion of consuming beef. Politicians are increasingly being elected based on their level of bigotry, as though it were a competition. Such individuals belong in asylums, not in positions of power.

Many justify these atrocities under the guise of 'the law of the land.' Cases of mob lynching on the suspicion of cow transportation were rare before the Modi government assumed power, but they have since become frequent.

Manmohan Singh likely did not envision lifting millions of Indians out of poverty only for the country to become one of the most bigoted in the subcontinent. Many Indians may have assumed that their newfound wealth would mask their prejudices, but neither the Muslims of India nor those on its borders are oblivious to these realities. Social media has made it increasingly difficult for India to counter the narratives that played a role in electing Modi.
 
Beyond economic growth, Indians (speaking broadly) seem to have regressed in several key areas. Despite becoming the 5th largest economy and generating significant wealth, many Indians are desperate to leave the country. In fact, during Modi's tenure as Prime Minister, more Indians have reportedly migrated illegally to Western nations than under any previous leadership.

We are now debating issues of basic human decency, that no one should be killed over the suspicion of consuming beef. Politicians are increasingly being elected based on their level of bigotry, as though it were a competition. Such individuals belong in asylums, not in positions of power.

Many justify these atrocities under the guise of 'the law of the land.' Cases of mob lynching on the suspicion of cow transportation were rare before the Modi government assumed power, but they have since become frequent.

Manmohan Singh likely did not envision lifting millions of Indians out of poverty only for the country to become one of the most bigoted in the subcontinent. Many Indians may have assumed that their newfound wealth would mask their prejudices, but neither the Muslims of India nor those on its borders are oblivious to these realities. Social media has made it increasingly difficult for India to counter the narratives that played a role in electing Modi.

Agree with everything you have written. I nominate this as the POTW.

India is on a self-destructive path without a doubt.
 
Agree with everything you have written. I nominate this as the POTW.

India is on a self-destructive path without a doubt.

I wouldn’t call it a self destructive path, but over time, more Indians will need to move away from the Hindutva narrative for India to be recognized as a respected global power. However, those determined to cling to it may resort to extreme measures to keep it alive, which could ultimately lead to increased violence against minorities.
 
We are now debating issues of basic human decency, that no one should be killed over the suspicion of consuming beef

Maybe the Muslims should have a even more basic decency to not harm cows in India? Ohhh wait you guys don't see any wrong at all in deliberately indulging in such despicable acts and then go on to wonder why there was a backlash...
 
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So the TLDR of any discussion involving Muslims on the topic of religious tolerance and harmony can be summarized succinctly as so ...


Imagine someone walks into your home, deliberately urinates on your carpet, and then expects you to be friendly and courteous to them. Or spits in your face and expects nothing but a warm hug in return... else he is the Bigot and there is no fault with the Muslims who are deliberately indulging in spitting and urinating!!

This is the expectation of even the most educated Muslims and it can be seen live right here on this forum in its full glory!
 
So the TLDR of any discussion involving Muslims on the topic of religious tolerance and harmony can be summarized succinctly as so ...


Imagine someone walks into your home, deliberately urinates on your carpet, and then expects you to be friendly and courteous to them. Or spits in your face and expects nothing but a warm hug in return... else he is the Bigot and there is no fault with the Muslims who are deliberately indulging in spitting and urinating!!

This is the expectation of even the most educated Muslims and it can be seen live right here on this forum in its full glory!

An educated person who isn’t a bigot wouldn’t demand the right to slaughter human if someone might will or had urinated on the carpet.

Take a back seat as you have rendered yourself as an extremist who wants to reserve the right to slaughter humans over someone might will or had a steak.
 
An educated person who isn’t a bigot wouldn’t demand the right to slaughter human if someone might will or had urinated on the carpet.

Take a back seat as you have rendered yourself as an extremist who wants to reserve the right to slaughter humans over someone might will or had a steak.

so just to be clear... you are saying there is no issues in someone deliberately peeing and spitting in your house ? And this is normal behavior?
 
so just to be clear... you are saying there is no issues in someone deliberately peeing and spitting in your house ? And this is normal behavior?

Of course, keeping mass slaughter on the table over your beliefs? Totally the hallmark of a perfectly normal, well balanced individual.
 
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Cow slaughter ban law has been upheld by supreme court many a times. In 2005 a constitution bench of the supreme court upheld the laws banning cow slaughter.They know more about law than random online posters.

Article 48 of the Indian constitution directs to make laws prohibiting slaughter of cows. The first such law came into force in early 1950s.

Bihar Muslims in 1958 tried to argue before the supreme court that their rights are being curtailed by cow slaughter ban. Supreme court dismissed the petition.

Hindus are not demanding that India be made a Hindu country because they are being charitable to Muslims. Else once Muslims got their separate country a 90 per cent Hindu majority country had no reason to be secular.

It is directive principle , state have freedom to chose the extent. There are states where slaughter of cows is allowed.

Hindus had no reason to be secular , then why those hindus agreed , those who were involved in freedom struggle , and now those hindus who played no part are saying this?
 
Of course, keeping mass slaughter on the table over your beliefs? Totally the hallmark of a perfectly normal, well balanced individual.

@DeadlyVenom here you go... another day and the same bigotry being flaunted by supposedly Normal people who see no issues at all in their acts but demand nothing but complete tolerance.

This makes sense if and only if the moral compass of Muslims is wired backwards.
 
@DeadlyVenom here you go... another day and the same bigotry being flaunted by supposedly Normal people who see no issues at all in their acts but demand nothing but complete tolerance.

This makes sense if and only if the moral compass of Muslims is wired backwards.


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You want to be a mass murderer over your beliefs? Bold strategy. Can’t find your own moral compass, but here you are trying to teach a course on ethics? LOL, okay, professor ethics!

Your whole argument boils down to wanting the right to commit mass murder because someone might have had a steak sandwich in India but you moved to a country that serves not only kosher but also halal and stunted beef? Wow, that’s not a moral high ground you’re standing on it’s a circus tightrope over a pit of nonsense.

What do they call someone who wants to keep the option of slaughtering thousands of people in India? Oh right, elected officials. Because apparently, mass murder enthusiast looks great on a campaign poster.
 
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You want to be a mass murderer over your beliefs? Bold strategy. Can’t find your own moral compass, but here you are trying to teach a course on ethics? LOL, okay, professor ethics!

Your whole argument boils down to wanting the right to commit mass murder because someone might have had a steak sandwich in India but you moved to a country that serves not only kosher but also halal and stunted beef? Wow, that’s not a moral high ground you’re standing on it’s a circus tightrope over a pit of nonsense.

What do they call someone who wants to keep the option of slaughtering thousands of people in India? Oh right, elected officials. Because apparently, mass murder enthusiast looks great on a campaign poster.

And those that want to deliberately pee and spit on someone and expect no adverse reaction in response are what ... ? Normal people ?
 
It is directive principle , state have freedom to chose the extent. There are states where slaughter of cows is allowed.

Hindus had no reason to be secular , then why those hindus agreed , those who were involved in freedom struggle , and now those hindus who played no part are saying this?



The constituent assembly didn't start muslim appeasement.

Subsequent political parties started muslim appeasement for votes.

Freedom fighters don't get extra votes in India.
 
@DeadlyVenom here you go... another day and the same bigotry being flaunted by supposedly Normal people who see no issues at all in their acts but demand nothing but complete tolerance.

This makes sense if and only if the moral compass of Muslims is wired backwards.

You are discussing Sanatan beliefs with a muslim pakistani? You can break your head on the wall instead.
 
I think India should lift the beef ban and also the blasphemy law. All religions should be fair game as targets of mockery.
 
You are discussing Sanatan beliefs with a muslim pakistani? You can break your head on the wall instead.

No! He’s arguing that Indians should have the right to slaughter thousands of people as a last resort… over a cow.

Hope you don’t believe in the same.
 
You are discussing Sanatan beliefs with a muslim pakistani? You can break your head on the wall instead.

For the Benefit of the useful Idiots with Hindu names on this forum like varun who want to sing kumbaya with their long lost langotiya yaars across the border.

As I have said I am in no illusion at all about the state Of Muslim mind on these topics.
 
No! He’s arguing that Indians should have the right to slaughter thousands of people as a last resort… over a cow.

Hope you don’t believe in the same.

And you are arguing with a straight face that you are a normal individual who indulges in normal activities like spitting in ssomeone's face and expect no adverse outcome in response.
 
@DeadlyVenom here you go... another day and the same bigotry being flaunted by supposedly Normal people who see no issues at all in their acts but demand nothing but complete tolerance.

This makes sense if and only if the moral compass of Muslims is wired backwards.
Those Muslims who deliberately hurt Hindu sentiment by breaking the law or eating beef/slaughtering in a provocative way should be punished for sure.

But you seem to think killing them is the best solution.

That's where the gripe is. You are entitled to your belief about beef and cattle.

If it's holy to you I will respect it. If I was living in India I'd give up eating beef, many Muslim organizations have told their congregants to avoid cattle slaughter so that their Hindu compatriots aren't insulted.
 
Those Muslims who deliberately hurt Hindu sentiment by breaking the law or eating beef/slaughtering in a provocative way should be punished for sure.

But you seem to think killing them is the best solution.

That's where the gripe is. You are entitled to your belief about beef and cattle.

If it's holy to you I will respect it. If I was living in India I'd give up eating beef, many Muslim organizations have told their congregants to avoid cattle slaughter so that their Hindu compatriots aren't insulted.

It’s absolutely irrational for anyone to suggest that a large number of people should be killed over a belief as a last resort.

In India, the vast majority of Muslims already avoid slaughtering cows.
 
And you are arguing with a straight face that you are a normal individual who indulges in normal activities like spitting in ssomeone's face and expect no adverse outcome in response.

Anyone should spit on those who want to have a right as a majority to commit mass murder.
 
Those Muslims who deliberately hurt Hindu sentiment by breaking the law or eating beef/slaughtering in a provocative way should be punished for sure.

How many educated Muslims here endorse that sentiment ? I have not found one single Muslim other than you, instead there is no shortage of posters who deliberately make insulting comments on that topic. So now think how bad the situation must be in India where the avg Muslim is just plain illiterate if not a village idiot.

But you seem to think killing them is the best solution.

That's where the gripe is. You are entitled to your belief about beef and cattle.

If it's holy to you I will respect it. If I was living in India I'd give up eating beef, many Muslim organizations have told their congregants to avoid cattle slaughter so that their Hindu compatriots aren't insulted.

The situation has come to that extent despite literally centuries worth of trying more civilized means to address this problem. This is the reason why the Cow vigilante groups adopt a extreme posture on this topic as that is the only option left on the table. But notice how @HalBass9 and others doggedly never address that topic at all. In their mind there is nothing wrong in harming a cow at all. Infact they will tell you that its a normal thing to do in India and then turn around and accuse me of being a extremist !! Thats why I quoted you in that post.

Further more I have asked @HalBass9 what would be a ideal solution to this dispute from his standpoint and his response was more mocking and laying the blame entirely on the Hindus. The option of not indulging in the act of harming cows is not on the table at all !
 
The situation has come to that extent despite literally centuries worth of trying more civilized means to address this problem. This is the reason why the Cow vigilante groups adopt a extreme posture on this topic as that is the only option left on the table. But notice how @HalBass9 and others doggedly never address that topic at all. In their mind there is nothing wrong in harming a cow at all. Infact they will tell you that its a normal thing to do in India and then turn around and accuse me of being a extremist !! Thats why I quoted you in that post.

Further more I have asked @HalBass9 what would be a ideal solution to this dispute from his standpoint and his response was more mocking and laying the blame entirely on the Hindus. The option of not indulging in the act of harming cows is not on the table at all !
Can't believe you are openly justifying slaughter of Muslims. Awful

Although @DeadlyVenom has explicitly explained the whole situation that overwhelming majority in India already abstaining from eating beef.
 
Can't believe you are openly justifying slaughter of Muslims. Awful

Then answer why Muslims are still continuing their blatant and deliberate bigotry despite being well aware of how sacred the cows are?

And I see that you have no issues at all in so many Muslims right here on this forum brazenly mocking Hindu beliefs by making crass statements ... but then you go on to wonder why there is a backlash ?



Although @DeadlyVenom has explicitly explained the whole situation that overwhelming majority in India already abstaining from eating beef.

It took CENTURIES of violent responses to get it to this level .... but the problem is nowhere resolved. This is the reason why there are vigilante groups in the 1st place because the Law and Order cannot handle this nonsense.

So comes back to the same question I have been asking for months: Why are Muslims deliberately indulging in bigotry ? Where do you stand on that ? Answer that question directly without beating around the bush and whataboutery and all the usual deflection tactics.
 
Then answer why Muslims are still continuing their blatant and deliberate bigotry despite being well aware of how sacred the cows are?
Ok then tell us not in million or lacs but in thousands. How many Muslims in thousands have been found guilty of evading the beef ban or more precisely name in Hundreds those who openly or in public slaughtered cows in India?

It took CENTURIES of violent responses to get it to this level .... but the problem is nowhere resolved. This is the reason why there are vigilante groups in the 1st place because the Law and Order cannot handle this nonsense.
It's the fault of your legal system but not of Muslims. Either scrap this ban if you can't implement it or erect it's enforcement. But the main thing is your country claims itself to be SECULAR from where in the world people from other religions get dictated what they could eat or no
So comes back to the same question I have been asking for months: Why are Muslims deliberately indulging in bigotry ? Where do you stand on that ? Answer that question directly without beating around the bush and whataboutery and all the usual deflection tactics.
Have answered a lot of times myself and many other posters have responded to it before. So no need to keep on repeating stuff. You can go through this thread yourself.
 
Ok then tell us not in million or lacs but in thousands. How many Muslims in thousands have been found guilty of evading the beef ban or more precisely name in Hundreds those who openly or in public slaughtered cows in India?


It's the fault of your legal system but not of Muslims. Either scrap this ban if you can't implement it or erect it's enforcement. But the main thing is your country claims itself to be SECULAR from where in the world people from other religions get dictated what they could eat or no

Have answered a lot of times myself and many other posters have responded to it before. So no need to keep on repeating stuff. You can go through this thread yourself.

What you are essentially saying is that Muslims are not required to stop spitting on someones face and they also expect no adverse Consequences from such acts until police start arresting such people .... correct? ( See post# 2762 and 2764 above where I explain that analogy )

And that their moral code doesn't See any wrong in spitting on someones face.
 
What you are essentially saying is that Muslims are not required to stop spitting on someones face and they also expect no adverse Consequences from such acts until police start arresting such people .... correct? ( See post# 2762 and 2764 above where I explain that analogy )

And that their moral code doesn't See any wrong in spitting on someones face.
Didn't get your point...plz summarize it in plain terms.

What spitting or else thing you mentioned above has occured to Hindus in India. Infact worse has been happening to Muslims in Kashmir till this date.
 
Didn't get your point...plz summarize it in plain terms

What spitting or else thing you mentioned above has occured to Hindus in India.

Thats the analogy that I came up to explain in simple terms what the actions of Muslims mean to Hindus .... so in this case harming a cow is very loosely equivalent to spitting in someones face ( and most importantly expecting no adverse consequences )


Infact worse has been happening to Muslims in Kashmir till this date.

When you want to discuss any attrocity against Muslims you should ask this question to yourselves: what lead to the attrocity that you are complaining about? What is your answer to that?
 
When you want to discuss any attrocity against Muslims you should ask this question to yourselves: what lead to the attrocity that you are complaining about? What is your answer to that?
They are paying the price for asking about their right of self determination, nearing 80 years now but no progress.
 
Can't believe you are openly justifying slaughter of Muslims. Awful

Although @DeadlyVenom has explicitly explained the whole situation that overwhelming majority in India already abstaining from eating beef.

Can you imagine a Pakistani or a Muslim going to an Indian platform and justifying slaughter of Hindus? They would probably ban the user on sight.

Pakpassion truly shows restraint and openmindedness by tolerating some of these Indian users despite their extremist views.
 
They are paying the price for asking about their right of self determination, nearing 80 years now but no progress.


So Muslims did no wrong at all ? I your opinion how did Kashmir the original homeland of the Pandits is now completely a Muslim region ? Martian's came and abducted all the Hindus ? Just look at how brazenly you defend horrific genocide war mongerers and then turn around and blame the Hindus ? How the hell does this make sense ? I really need to know how your moral compass works. Shocking.​

And BTW in a different thread I had posted a video of current day Kashmir and you quietly stopped responding. Lets bump that thread again.
 
Thats the analogy that I came up to explain in simple terms what the actions of Muslims mean to Hindus .... so in this case harming a cow is very loosely equivalent to spitting in someones face ( and most importantly expecting no adverse consequences )

@The Bald Eagle ... please respond to that point. Thanks
 
So the TLDR of any discussion involving Muslims on the topic of religious tolerance and harmony can be summarized succinctly as so ...


Imagine someone walks into your home, deliberately urinates on your carpet, and then expects you to be friendly and courteous to them. Or spits in your face and expects nothing but a warm hug in return... else he is the Bigot and there is no fault with the Muslims who are deliberately indulging in spitting and urinating!!

This is the expectation of even the most educated Muslims and it can be seen live right here on this forum in its full glory!

India is not just 'your' or any one group's home. As per the Constitution of India, this country belongs to Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Christians, and many others. The Constitution was deliberately designed with intention to protect the religious rights of all, not just a select majority.

Eating beef is a matter of personal belief and dietary preference, something explicitly recognized in the freedoms provided by our Constitution.

On the other hand, your example of someone violating your personal space and dignity is an act of deliberate aggression. The two are incomparable, no matter how much outrage you attempt to inflate into this discussion.

Also, Cow slaughter laws exist only because Hindus form the majority in India, and these laws reflect that demographic reality. In states where eating beef is legal, it is a right of the people who live there, people whose beliefs differ from yours and who, by the same Constitution, have an equal claim to India's land and its freedoms. Their rights to their dietary choices are protected just as your right to abstain from beef is protected.

So, you have a choice here:

1. Admit that you want India to ahbe Hindutva-centric laws, designed primarily to reflect the views of the Hindu majority, which inherently imposes these beliefs on others. In that case, you would also need to acknowledge the hypocrisy of claiming India is a 'secular' nation.


2. Accept that some people in some parts of India do not subscribe to these views, and it is their constitutional right to eat beef or any other food of their choice. Should they gain a political or demographic majority in the future, they could democratically amend the laws to overturn the beef ban. Would you then respect their rights as they currently respect yours?
 
@The Bald Eagle ... please respond to that point. Thanks
First tell me can someone spit on one face from back? I mean your analogy for argument sake could be fine if Muslims slaughter the cows openly in front of Hindus just to make a mockery of their belief but not like caught surreptitiously by some vigilantes and then got lynched without even tendering an opportunity to explain whether it was beef or meat.

Anyway, I truly can't see a spit in face example in India but could provide otherwise cases of same analogy by Hindus against Muslims if you want me too.

Anyways I asked you to tender the numbers of such "spit in the face bigots" as you suggest in post 2787
 
India is not just 'your' or any one group's home. As per the Constitution of India, this country belongs to Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Christians, and many others. The Constitution was deliberately designed with intention to protect the religious rights of all, not just a select majority.

Eating beef is a matter of personal belief and dietary preference, something explicitly recognized in the freedoms provided by our Constitution.

On the other hand, your example of someone violating your personal space and dignity is an act of deliberate aggression. The two are incomparable, no matter how much outrage you attempt to inflate into this discussion.

Also, Cow slaughter laws exist only because Hindus form the majority in India, and these laws reflect that demographic reality. In states where eating beef is legal, it is a right of the people who live there, people whose beliefs differ from yours and who, by the same Constitution, have an equal claim to India's land and its freedoms. Their rights to their dietary choices are protected just as your right to abstain from beef is protected.

So, you have a choice here:

1. Admit that you want India to ahbe Hindutva-centric laws, designed primarily to reflect the views of the Hindu majority, which inherently imposes these beliefs on others. In that case, you would also need to acknowledge the hypocrisy of claiming India is a 'secular' nation.


2. Accept that some people in some parts of India do not subscribe to these views, and it is their constitutional right to eat beef or any other food of their choice. Should they gain a political or demographic majority in the future, they could democratically amend the laws to overturn the beef ban. Would you then respect their rights as they currently respect yours?

Forget the legal/constitutional aspect of it. Lets pretend that there are no cow protection laws in India.

My point is ... you know that Cows are extremely sacred to Hindus in India. And despite knowing that you are going to deliberately support those that indulge in killing cows ? Please clarify that.
 
First tell me can someone spit on one face from back? I mean your analogy for argument sake could be fine if Muslims slaughter the cows openly in front of Hindus just to make a mockery of their belief but not like caught surreptitiously by some vigilantes and then got lynched without even tendering an opportunity to explain whether it was beef or meat.

Anyway, I truly can't see a spit in face example in India but could provide otherwise cases of same analogy by Hindus against Muslims if you want me too.

When in a Majority Hindu country if people deliberately indulge in such despicable acts they are doing just that ... spitting in your face. The message is very clear: We don't give a crap about Hindu beliefs.



Anyways I asked you to tender the numbers of such "spit in the face bigots" as you suggest in post 2787

This is a major issue in India as it is a lucrative trade and it happens all the time . You think a politician would threaten dire consequences for petty reasons ?
 
When in a Majority Hindu country if people deliberately indulge in such despicable acts they are doing just that ... spitting in your face. The message is very clear: We don't give a crap about Hindu beliefs.
That is the main point they at best (from they I mean the few who eventually got to eat beef in India) do it for their dietary fondness/ or beef being cheap. Nothing to do with hurting someone's feelings
 
That is the main point they at best (from they I mean the few who eventually got to eat beef in India) do it for their dietary fondness/ or beef being cheap. Nothing to do with hurting someone's feelings

Beef does not happen without killing a cow, which is NOT ALLOWED IN INDIA BECAUSE COWS ARE SACRED !!

What part of that statement do you not understand ?
 
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