Virat Kohli should stay back and fight for his team in Australia

[MP2011]

To be fair to Kohli, Mumbai is the hub for Bollywood so Anushka wanting to be there during her prime is a reasonable request.

Just think again. Had Anushka not been a
huge celebrity herself and hugely dominating one at that, I don't think Kohli would have still done that. Most of the males won't have done that.

I think we all overestimate to be Kohli ultra male and masochist. He may or may not be that on a cricket field, but off the field he certainly isn't.

 

[Nasty Naz]

Imagine people thinking a meaningless tour is more important than the birth of your own kid.

An individual's personal life is more important than Cricket.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

That's because you don't know our cricket culture enough. I get where Kohli is coming from and his first child and all.

My only issue is that he has created this team brick by brick over last 4 years. How can he leave his team for someone else and that too on such a challenging tour? Had he been injured, of course he'd have missed the tests then as well like he did in Dharmshala 3 years back but then it won't have been in his hands.

But in this case, it's completely in his hands. And that's where I differ.

Then maybe its your cricket culture that needs to change. Just because something is the way it is doesn't mean its right.

No man should have to miss the birth of his child, let alone for a test series that India were likely going to lose anyway even if he was there.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

That's because you don't know our cricket culture enough. I get where Kohli is coming from and his first child and all.

My only issue is that he has created this team brick by brick over last 4 years. How can he leave his team for someone else and that too on such a challenging tour? Had he been injured, of course he'd have missed the tests then as well like he did in Dharmshala 3 years back but then it won't have been in his hands.

But in this case, it's completely in his hands. And that's where I differ.

Years from now this tour will be another footnote among of long line of Indian series defeats in Australia. But the birth of his first child is a moment that will stay will Kohli for the rest of his life.

 

[Ab Fan]

Well, i am shocked to read what Pandya pulled out. I was wondering where he was today. Absolutely shocking and appalling behavior and i am surprised to see no hue and cry over it when in this situation its perfectly valid!

Earlier, he was not selected in the test squad because he can't bowl. But based on his form and performance in limited overs series, the team management considered stopping him but he said that it has been four months since he hasn't seen his child so want to spend some time with his family.

I do believe that Indian players often prioritise IPL over international games. A best example to that is the scenario of Rohit Sharma's injury.

 

[MP2011]

Earlier, he was not selected in the test squad because he can't bowl. But based on his form and performance in limited overs series, the team management considered stopping him but he said that it has been four months since he hasn't seen his child so want to spend some time with his family.

I do believe that Indian players often prioritise IPL over international games. A best example to that is the scenario of Rohit Sharma's injury.

True. IPL is always prioritized by our cricketers, no matter what. Classic case being Rohit and Bumrah, the latter who didn't miss a single IPL game this year but easily skipped the T20 series against Australia.

If someone may ask, what's the difference, the format is same, you got to bowl 4 overs in both cases. If anything, you are representing your country and that should always get precedence over club, always.

 

[MP2011]

let alone for a test series that India were likely going to lose anyway even if he was there.

I just hope no international cricket exhibits the kind of attitude you are espousing in your post here.

 

[Ab Fan]

Cos WI series ain't a big deal.

Its obvious.

India's tour of Aus test is the second biggest deal after WC.

Also our views are based on what we hav seen happen with our team till date.

Can't club Desi and western reactions.

I get your point and there is nothing wrong in making an argument for or against that. But I guess someone already stated what if this was a WC final?

I am sure if this was a WC final or semi-final left, Kohli would have probably stayed with the team because you would have rather stayed with the team than leaving them out in such a big moment.

The test series against Australia is important but they can argue that they have already won it last time and again based on India's preparations and injury issues, I doubt whether Indian players have even taken it anywhere as seriously as they would for a World Cup or even a WT20.

 

[MP2011]

Years from now this tour will be another footnote among of long line of Indian series defeats in Australia. But the birth of his first child is a moment that will stay will Kohli for the rest of his life.

May be for the country you support, we take our Australian tours very seriously even if we lose.

 

[kingusama92]

Just think again. Had Anushka not been a
huge celebrity herself and hugely dominating one at that, I don't think Kohli would have still done that. Most of the males won't have done that.

I think we all overestimate to be Kohli ultra male and masochist. He may or may not be that on a cricket field, but off the field he certainly isn't.

I can give you an endless list of athletes that have gone home for a child's birth. It happens in all sports.

Andy Murray was ready to skip the Australian Open final if he made it.

 

[subshakerz]

It is legitimate either way, for Kohli to decide to stay or leave. Its a personal decision and there is no right or wrong answer.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Just think again. Had Anushka not been a
huge celebrity herself and hugely dominating one at that, I don't think Kohli would have still done that. Most of the males won't have done that.

I think we all overestimate to be Kohli ultra male and masochist. He may or may not be that on a cricket field, but off the field he certainly isn't.

No disagreement there.

Just saying Anushka being in bollywood and Mumbai being its hub played a role in him moving.

That one thing was a reasonable thing to do.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I just hope no international cricket exhibits the kind of attitude you are espousing in your post here.

Yes because that would mean those teams are comprised of actual humans rather than robots who have no major life events to miss cricket for.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

May be for the country you support, we take our Australian tours very seriously even if we lose.

Yeah probably why you have such a brilliant winning record in Australia.

 

[MP2011]

Yeah probably why you have such a brilliant winning record in Australia.

So only reason your record is dire (no test wins there in last 2.5 decades, just think it over again and again) in Australia is because you don't take these tours seriously?

 

[MP2011]

Yes because that would mean those teams are comprised of actual humans rather than robots who have no major life events to miss cricket for.

Way to miss the point, well done.

 

[MP2011]

I can give you an endless list of athletes that have gone home for a child's birth. It happens in all sports.

Andy Murray was ready to skip the Australian Open final if he made it.

We'll, I wasn't talking about Kohli missing this test series for his child's birth, rather him shifting his base to Mumbai from Delhi for Anushka after their marriage.

 

[MP2011]

No disagreement there.

Just saying Anushka being in bollywood and Mumbai being its hub played a role in him moving.

That one thing was a reasonable thing to do.

Fair enough.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Way to miss the point, well done.

It's remarkable how ungrateful certain fans are. Kohli has given so much to Indian cricket. And in return he is not even allowed to have a normal life. The fact that this is even up for debate is shocking. And also goes to show how little faith people like you have in players like Pujara, who was the biggest reason India won their first ever series in Australia, and Rahane, who for years was India's only batsman that performed overseas.

 

[MP2011]

It's remarkable how ungrateful certain fans are. Kohli has given so much to Indian cricket. And in return he is not even allowed to have a normal life. The fact that this is even up for debate is shocking. And also goes to show how little faith people like you have in players like Pujara, who was the biggest reason India won their first ever series in Australia, and Rahane, who for years was India's only batsman that performed overseas.

Rahane has been equally dire at home and away, for so many years now. And only away series Kohli didn't perform in last few years,

1) England series in 2014
2) NZ series earlier this year.

Pujara was great in Australia 2 years back, no doubt. But we won that series due to our bowling being superior than Australia's.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Rahane has been equally dire at home and away, for so many years now. And only away series Kohli didn't perform in last few years,

1) England series in 2014
2) NZ series earlier this year.

Pujara was great in Australia 2 years back, no doubt. But we won that series due to our bowling being superior than Australia's.

Not really though. India's bowling was outstanding but Australia's batting was incredibly weak. Not only were they missing Smith and Warner but the guys who had replaced them were all fairly new to the test level. The most experienced batsman in the side was Khawaja which goes to show exactly how good the Australian batting was.

India won the series because Pujara successfully blunted the best bowling attack in the world. Once he destroyed the confidence of Australia's pace attack there was never any doubt that India would win the series. Scoring runs in Australia is never easy, let alone for an Asian batsman. Which again speaks to Pujara's performance and why it is the best batting performance by a visiting batsman in the country since Alastair's Cook's performance in the 2010 Ashes.

 

[KoyoAli]

According to a report published in ANI, Kohli had a special meeting with his teammates before departing from Australia and boosted their spirits after what was a heartbreaking loss to Tim Paine's boys in the first Test at Adelaide.
Despite taking a 53-run first innings lead, the visitors suffered a humiliating 8-wicket defeat in the series opener as they got bowled out for a paltry 36 in the second essay.
"Kohli has left Australia today morning. He had a word with the whole unit before leaving and the idea was to boost the confidence of the boys and keep them positive. He officially handed over the mantle of captaincy to Rahane and asked the team to keep showing intent and express themselves on the pitch. With Rohit Sharma set to join the squad only after the second game, Rahane's role becomes all the more important in guiding the youngsters," sources in the know of developments told ANI.

 

[Proactive_]

Kohli going back has ironically been the best thing to happen to the team, and that's just not just in the context of the series but in the larger sphere of Indian cricket itself. This HAS to be the landmark moment where people in charge with any semblance of sense finally pull the plug on Kohli's captaincy and give the reigns to Rahane; something which should have happened post Dharamsala 2017 itself.

In one Test match, not only has Rahane proven that he is FAR more level headed with regards to team selections, his strategical acumen and ability to keep the players motivated without having to behave like a rabid animal are for all to see.


It's high time the Indian cricketing fraternity stops treating Indian cricket as Kohli's fiefdom and do what's right for the greater good for the team. If Rahane can lead team India to THIS performance after one of the worst losses in Indian cricket history, I have full faith he can help correct India's abysmal SENA record which Kohli took to dump with his captaincy despite him getting inarguably the BEST Indian bowling attack of all time. He's still 32, that's around the age Steve Waugh became the captain so it isn't late by any means either.

 

[JaDed]

Dharmsala victory was also a crucial one, Rahane might end up being a better captain but there is no denying the impact Kohli has had on our bowling department.

 

[ShoaibM]

Oh man India played better without kohli than with him. Kick this useless captain out he is holding the team back!

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Kohli going back has ironically been the best thing to happen to the team, and that's just not just in the context of the series but in the larger sphere of Indian cricket itself. This HAS to be the landmark moment where people in charge with any semblance of sense finally pull the plug on Kohli's captaincy and give the reigns to Rahane; something which should have happened post Dharamsala 2017 itself.

In one Test match, not only has Rahane proven that he is FAR more level headed with regards to team selections, his strategical acumen and ability to keep the players motivated without having to behave like a rabid animal are for all to see.


It's high time the Indian cricketing fraternity stops treating Indian cricket as Kohli's fiefdom and do what's right for the greater good for the team. If Rahane can lead team India to THIS performance after one of the worst losses in Indian cricket history, I have full faith he can help correct India's abysmal SENA record which Kohli took to dump with his captaincy despite him getting inarguably the BEST Indian bowling attack of all time. He's still 32, that's around the age Steve Waugh became the captain so it isn't late by any means either.

Rahane scored a century after 5 years in SENA. What are his credentials?
He was on the verge of losing a place in the test side.
Its just another opportunistic take nothing else.

 

[Proactive_]

Dharmsala victory was also a crucial one, Rahane might end up being a better captain but there is no denying the impact Kohli has had on our bowling department.

How? I'm yet to hear any concrete arguments supporting this.

Ashwin and Jadeja - Two ATG bowlers in Asian conditions came under and were backed by Dhoni. Two bowlers who have saved Kohli's overall captaincy record from looking like complete crap.

Ishant, Bhuvi, Shami, Umesh all were backed by Dhoni during the early stages of their careers helping Kohli to reap the benefits of their peak.

Bumrah is a once in a generation talent and not much could have prevented him from coming into the team anyway.

People think that just because Kohli is "aggressive" he has turned around the fortunes of Indian fast bowling whereas in the past 3 days, a "timid" Rahane has led the fast bowlers to roll Australia in Australia for 200 under the sun twice. It's another myth to hype Kohli's captaincy saying he has suddenly made India a bowling powerhouse.

 

[JaDed]

How? I'm yet to hear any concrete arguments supporting this.

Ashwin and Jadeja - Two ATG bowlers in Asian conditions came under and were backed by Dhoni. Two bowlers who have saved Kohli's overall captaincy record from looking like complete crap.

Ishant, Bhuvi, Shami, Umesh all were backed by Dhoni during the early stages of their careers helping Kohli to reap the benefits of their peak.

Bumrah is a once in a generation talent and not much could have prevented him from coming into the team anyway.

People think that just because Kohli is "aggressive" he has turned around the fortunes of Indian fast bowling whereas in the past 3 days, a "timid" Rahane has led the fast bowlers to roll Australia in Australia for 200 under the sun twice. It's another myth to hype Kohli's captaincy saying he has suddenly made India a bowling powerhouse.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/when-virat-took-over-ishant-sharma-explains-why-indian-bowlers-are-performing-better-under-kohli/story-iO44KPada72i9vT0bP9rGP.html


Ishant now bowls in short bursts with increased pace and it has happened after he stopped bowling his stock back of length deliveries which was a routine under Dhoni, who used him for long spells.

 

[Proactive_]

Rahane scored a century after 5 years in SENA. What are his credentials?
He was on the verge of losing a place in the test side.
Its just another opportunistic take nothing else.

Rahane has a better away average than the golden boy master of foreign conditions Virat Kohli. And you seem to forget that Kohli DID drop Rahane in SA, only for Rahane to come back in the third test to be the highest scorer in the critical third innings leading to India's victory. Imagine if Kohli had to always play with the threat of being dropped like other established batsmen including Rahane and Pujara have been subjected to under Kohli's captaincy. Kohli should thank his stars Dhoni backed him after England 2014.

 

[Proactive_]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/when-virat-took-over-ishant-sharma-explains-why-indian-bowlers-are-performing-better-under-kohli/story-iO44KPada72i9vT0bP9rGP.html


Ishant now bowls in short bursts with increased pace and it has happened after he stopped bowling his stock back of length deliveries which was a routine under Dhoni, who used him for long spells.

Ishant in the same article:

So was this role of a “workhorse” given to him? “No role was given to me but that became a role. Your job is to get batsmen out whenever you can. I was not experienced enough earlier but now I know my job.”

He himself credits his experience and Gillespie's coaching for his turnaround. It isn't that Kohli suddenly upon taking captaincy treated all his bowling ailments in a swoop.

 

[Buffet]

Indians fought and fought without Kohli. It was one of the best come back after being so down in Aus. It's very hard to come back in Aus such a beating. I don't recall many instances when it happened.

 

[JaDed]

There is no doubt youngsters are not backed by Kohli, and I completely support Kohli being removed from captaincy in all formats but he has backed bowlers.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Rahane has a better away average than the golden boy master of foreign conditions Virat Kohli. And you seem to forget that Kohli DID drop Rahane in SA, only for Rahane to come back in the third test to be the highest scorer in the critical third innings leading to India's victory. Imagine if Kohli had to always play with the threat of being dropped like other established batsmen including Rahane and Pujara have been subjected to under Kohli's captaincy. Kohli should thank his stars Dhoni backed him after England 2014.

Yeah against West Indies

Do you remember the last time when Rahane took responsibility of the team and had a bumper series away from home like Kohli in eng, sa and aus.
He failed in eng, failed in aus, failed yet again in nz.
That average is bolstered by thrashing windies at an avg of 102
Please try this with someone who does not watch test cricket.

 

[ShoaibM]

Rahane is having Goat biryani tonight. And no I dont care if he is vegetarian!

 

[Rajdeep]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What a win this is, absolutely amazing effort by the whole team. Couldn't be happier for the boys and specially Jinks who led the team to victory amazingly. Onwards and upwards from here </p>— Virat Kohli (@imVkohli) <a href="https://twitter.com/imVkohli/status/1343769773683830784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[ShoaibM]

Forgot to add "Screw you guys, I'm going home!"

 

[pillionrider]

When Virat wraps up his glittering career as the premier batsman of his generation, this decision will smear and haunt him. It will be the biggest regret of his life though he will never admit it in public to his dying day.

It's also why, he will never be Tendulkar to his teammates or the public.

 

[Rajdeep]

When Virat wraps up his glittering career as the premier batsman of his generation, this decision will smear and haunt him. It will be the biggest regret of his life though he will never admit it in public to his dying day.

It's also why, he will never be Tendulkar to his teammates or the public.

But he already tasted success and series win in Australia. So why would it haunt him? I think Virat took the correct decision to be present at the special moment of his child's birth. Its a feeling which he would cherish all his life. We fans need to be less harsh on him.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

Kohli might be absent but it is his team that won..he should be mighty proud..

 

[MP2011]

When Virat wraps up his glittering career as the premier batsman of his generation, this decision will smear and haunt him. It will be the biggest regret of his life though he will never admit it in public to his dying day.

It's also why, he will never be Tendulkar to his teammates or the public.

This.

He is nowhere near Tendulkar in being responsible to team's cause. Has skipped too many series despite not being injured while Tendulkar played pretty much every game India for more than a decade. After that as well, he skipped games only due to various injuries which started plaguing him after playing a decade of continuous cricket.

 

[King_Kohli]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"> <a href="https://t.co/js3SkZJTsH">pic.twitter.com/js3SkZJTsH</a></p>— Virat Kohli (@imVkohli) <a href="https://twitter.com/imVkohli/status/1348580955594768385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

When Virat wraps up his glittering career as the premier batsman of his generation, this decision will smear and haunt him. It will be the biggest regret of his life though he will never admit it in public to his dying day.

It's also why, he will never be Tendulkar to his teammates or the public.

Missed Mcg - Regret

Missed Sydney - Regret Pro

Missed Gabba (if India wins) - Regret Pro Max

)

 

[liam26]

Deep down he must feeling weird that the Indian team is infact doing much better without him and he is not being missed , like he doesn't exist at all.

 

[JaDed]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"> <a href="https://t.co/js3SkZJTsH">pic.twitter.com/js3SkZJTsH</a></p>— Virat Kohli (@imVkohli) <a href="https://twitter.com/imVkohli/status/1348580955594768385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Congrats to him

 

[pillionrider]

Congrats to him

No congrats to Anushka ma'am?

 

[JaDed]

No congrats to Anushka ma'am?

Lol, congratulations to both of them a, their family and Ravi Shastri, RCB fans

 

[Slog]

Deep down he must feeling weird that the Indian team is infact doing much better without him and he is not being missed , like he doesn't exist at all.

Actually I would say yesterday might have been among the few situations where having him may have hurt india potentially.

 

[CricketCartoons]

When Virat wraps up his glittering career as the premier batsman of his generation, this decision will smear and haunt him. It will be the biggest regret of his life though he will never admit it in public to his dying day.

It's also why, he will never be Tendulkar to his teammates or the public.

Not going to haunt him. His daughter will be proud of her dad that he was there at her birth, while some couch potato indian fans wanted him to be there only during conception.

 

[pillionrider]

Not going to haunt him. His daughter will be proud of her dad that he was there at her birth, while some couch potato indian fans wanted him to be there only during conception.

Do you think they'll watch reruns of today's match on her birthdays?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Do you think they'll watch reruns of today's match on her birthdays?

Kohli has already won a series in australia. he is not going to miss an escape from defeat of a crumbling indian team. Maybe for the potato chips indian fans it is a great moment.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Not going to haunt him. His daughter will be proud of her dad that he was there at her birth, while some couch potato indian fans wanted him to be there only during conception.

You seem to take it like it's a personal attack on you lol.

Professional cricketers crave glory victories and someone like Kohli would have wanted to be part of it.

Its what makes him the competitive cricketer he is.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"> <a href="https://t.co/js3SkZJTsH">pic.twitter.com/js3SkZJTsH</a></p>— Virat Kohli (@imVkohli) <a href="https://twitter.com/imVkohli/status/1348580955594768385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Congrats Kohli.

 

[ManFan]

I feel like Kohli has lost the flame that fueled his greatness.

He’s still the best but no longer, “in the zone” like he was in 2016-2018.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You seem to take it like it's a personal attack on you lol.

Professional cricketers crave glory victories and someone like Kohli would have wanted to be part of it.

Its what makes him the competitive cricketer he is.

He is not just a professional cricketer, he is a human, a husband and a father too. Quite naive to think that professional cricketers have a single identity and should ignore the other important identities.

 

[pillionrider]

You seem to take it like it's a personal attack on you lol.

Professional cricketers crave glory victories and someone like Kohli would have wanted to be part of it.

Its what makes him the competitive cricketer he is.

I'm sure Kohli will read this and appreciate CC's avatar of choice for today. Maybe he might invite him over for the kid's Xmas party as Santa Uncle

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

He is not just a professional cricketer, he is a human, a husband and a father too. Quite naive to think that professional cricketers have a single identity and should ignore the other important identities.

Who denies that.

You can easily make out what posters mean when they say what they say.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Who denies that.

You can easily make out what posters mean when they say what they say.

I could only make out that couch potatoes wanted him to miss the birth of his daughter and stay back to provide entertainment, and possibly help them erase an asterisk which was stuck on their tails by non indian fans.

 

[pillionrider]

I could only make out that couch potatoes wanted him to miss the birth of his daughter and stay back to provide entertainment, and possibly help them erase an asterisk which was stuck on their tails by non indian fans.

Did someone from work retire early recently to lead the comfortable life of a couch potato? You seem hung up on the term

 

[Proactive_]

I'm glad that Team India got a few test matches in a row without his presence. Just goes to show how overstated his significance to Team India has been as a batsman and especially as a captain. The team looks a lot more cohesive and confident to me with a level headed individual like Rahane at the helm.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I could only make out that couch potatoes wanted him to miss the birth of his daughter and stay back to provide entertainment, and possibly help them erase an asterisk which was stuck on their tails by non indian fans.

Lol yeah I can see.

Don't worry.. It's not a crime to do what Kohli did.

Take deep breaths. Relax. No judgment here.

 

[Varun]

Actually I would say yesterday might have been among the few situations where having him may have hurt india potentially.

Yeah - he would have gone for the target and lost like Adelaide 2014. He would have got praise for the "intent" and "aggression" but hey look at our parallel universe where we'll take the draw with both hands thank you very much.

 

[leg-side-flick]

On her Birthday, Ashwin should send Kohli a card every year

 

[Saurav]

I'm glad that Team India got a few test matches in a row without his presence. Just goes to show how overstated his significance to Team India has been as a batsman and especially as a captain. The team looks a lot more cohesive and confident to me with a level headed individual like Rahane at the helm.

This.Kohli has too much power in Indian cricket.This might change that

 

[pillionrider]

Just goes to show how overstated his significance to Team India has been as a batsman and especially as a captain.

As captain, the cliche about his role in our fast bowlers is true.

He's also a crazy guy with insane levels of energy. That was good and had its role.

But all that is done and the time for all that is long gone. He should gracefully hand over the captaincy to someone else. Only problem is who. Who is sure to be a member of the side on merit for the next few years. I'd go with Rohit over Rahane because of his sure presence in the ODI squad - unless India breaks tradition and goes with split captaincy.

As a batsman, with Kohli there is no question of overstating. He is our best batsman by a distance. India have done well in his absence through a unique set of circumstances. During the 1st innings when the batsmen were choked by the bowling, Kohli is the only player who could probably have done something to disrupt the pace bowlers. His combination of defense and counterattack is unparalleled in the team and only surpassed in modern Indian history by Tendulkar

If Pant wasn't dropped on 0, India would most likely have lost the game having been bowled out. And everyone would have started counting down to Kohli's return

 

[Faizhassan]

At the end of the day. we need to realize its a game, and I would argue that sub continent really need to get rid of this Khaala type mentality where they need to poke their nose into someone's else matter.

 

[Faizhassan]

Any subcontinent man who says marriage is about give and take and comprise is usually subservient to his wife who calls the shots at home.

Any subcontinent woman who says marriage about give and take and compromise is usually the dominant partner and calls the shots at home.

I find it really funny that posters who have never seen a women in their life would like to comment that you how marriage tends to work. This is a cricket forum, and I dont think that such ** argument make sense over here.

 

[chuck]

As captain, the cliche about his role in our fast bowlers is true.

He's also a crazy guy with insane levels of energy. That was good and had its role.

But all that is done and the time for all that is long gone. He should gracefully hand over the captaincy to someone else. Only problem is who. Who is sure to be a member of the side on merit for the next few years. I'd go with Rohit over Rahane because of his sure presence in the ODI squad - unless India breaks tradition and goes with split captaincy.

As a batsman, with Kohli there is no question of overstating. He is our best batsman by a distance. India have done well in his absence through a unique set of circumstances. During the 1st innings when the batsmen were choked by the bowling, Kohli is the only player who could probably have done something to disrupt the pace bowlers. His combination of defense and counterattack is unparalleled in the team and only surpassed in modern Indian history by Tendulkar

If Pant wasn't dropped on 0, India would most likely have lost the game having been bowled out. And everyone would have started counting down to Kohli's return

Some good points there. I agree he should come back as a player. On candidates for captaincy - Rahane/Ashwin in Test and Rohit in ODIs/T20s. Would love to see a bowler being the captain. While on the topic, may I also suggest Dhoni/Kumble as coach.

 

[Mamoon]

I find it really funny that posters who have never seen a women in their life would like to comment that you how marriage tends to work. This is a cricket forum, and I dont think that such ** argument make sense over here.

I am happily married, and my relationship is not about give and take and compromise and all that baloney. Sure, when it comes to everyday life and minor issues, you need to adjust such as the time you wake up, the time you go to bed, your daily routine etc.

However, when it comes to major decisions such as where to live, where to invest, where the kids will go to school in the future etc. I have and will have the final say. This is not about dominance, this is about having discipline and balance. You always need an authority figure.

This doesn’t mean you have to tyrannical. You will have discussions and consider all options, but the final call will be your decision.

This is not about education either. My wife is educated but she is comfortable with this arrangement because she also grew up in a household where her father was also the authoritative figure. Same goes for thousands and thousands of subcontinent households because it is patriarchal society.

Patriarchy does not mean misogyny. That is a misconception.

There also thousands of women who are dominating, and they are usually dominating because their mothers were dominant over their subservient fathers. These types of dominant women are only compatible with subservient husbands. When both partners are dominant, the marriage is not compatible, and hence it is not about give and take and compromise.

In Kohli’s case, it appears that Anushka is the dominant partner. First, he had him leave his home in Delhi and relocate to Mumbai because of Bollywood, then she made him leave his team hanging in a hugely important series. I am pretty she will have the final say in naming the child and she will also decide when he retires from cricket and how he divides his time between national duty and family life.

If Kohli is happy and he seems very happy, good for him. However, people should not shy away from calling it what it is.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I am happily married, and my relationship is not about give and take and compromise and all that baloney. Sure, when it comes to everyday life and minor issues, you need to adjust such as the time you wake up, the time you go to bed, your daily routine etc.

However, when it comes to major decisions such as where to live, where to invest, where the kids will go to school in the future etc. I have and will have the final say. This is not about dominance, this is about having discipline and balance. You always need an authority figure.

This doesn’t mean you have to tyrannical. You will have discussions and consider all options, but the final call will be your decision.

This is not about education either. My wife is educated but she is comfortable with this arrangement because she also grew up in a household where her father was also the authoritative figure. Same goes for thousands and thousands of subcontinent households because it is patriarchal society.

Patriarchy does not mean misogyny. That is a misconception.

There also thousands of women who are dominating, and they are usually dominating because their mothers were dominant over their subservient fathers. These types of dominant women are only compatible with subservient husbands. When both partners are dominant, the marriage is not compatible, and hence it is not about give and take and compromise.

In Kohli’s case, it appears that Anushka is the dominant partner. First, he had him leave his home in Delhi and relocate to Mumbai because of Bollywood, then she made him leave his team hanging in a hugely important series. I am pretty she will have the final say in naming the child and she will also decide when he retires from cricket and how he divides his time between national duty and family life.

If Kohli is happy and he seems very happy, good for him. However, people should not shy away from calling it what it is.

And Mamoon hits the ball out of the park.

The ball is gone. Never to return.

What a shot.

What a wonderful shot.

Damn.

Spits facts, triggers feminists (not referring to any poster here) and nails down the core truth.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

And Mamoon hits the ball out of the park.

The ball is gone. Never to return.

What a shot.

What a wonderful shot.

Damn.

Spits facts, triggers feminists (not referring to any poster here) and nails down the core truth.

PP glitched.

Kohli would be dying to be part of this historic series.

But he ain't.

All he was part was that 36 ao.

In fact, him leaving makes this series even more historic.

Yes, we can't read minds but knowing Kohli, it's very likely he would want to be in the thick of the things.

 

[Savak]

Every relationship has different dynamics. Each and every married friend of mine tells me a different philosophy. One tells me love her like no tommorow, go out of your way for her, take care of her, always be subservient to her and you will have a happy life. Another tells me do a combination like Mamoon said i.e. dont make a big deal out of trivial minor issues but call the shots on major things. Another tells me you be the male, the boss and dictate each and every thing to her and in fact if she doesn't want to start a family, you ignore her and make it happen so that she can't do anything about it.

Ultimately i think its best to do what makes you happy. In this case, i am pretty certain Kohli himself wanted to do all the things he did to make his wife happy i.e. change cities, coming back to attend the birth of his child from an important tour e.t.c.

The way things are turning out for Team India, lol maybe he won't be needed in Australia after all because the second test defeat has badly scard Australia to the point where they have resorted to defensive cricket and are now on the backfoot going into the last test match at Brisbane

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Every relationship has different dynamics. Each and every married friend of mine tells me a different philosophy. One tells me love her like no tommorow, go out of your way for her, take care of her, always be subservient to her and you will have a happy life. Another tells me do a combination like Mamoon said i.e. dont make a big deal out of trivial minor issues but call the shots on major things. Another tells me you be the male, the boss and dictate each and every thing to her and in fact if she doesn't want to start a family, you ignore her and make it happen so that she can't do anything about it.

Ultimately i think its best to do what makes you happy. In this case, i am pretty certain Kohli himself wanted to do all the things he did to make his wife happy i.e. change cities, coming back to attend the birth of his child from an important tour e.t.c.

The way things are turning out for Team India, lol maybe he won't be needed in Australia after all because the second test defeat has badly scard Australia to the point where they have resorted to defensive cricket and are now on the backfoot going into the last test match at Brisbane

Beautiful.

He's a nutcase.

Just to be clear.

 

[Faizhassan]

I am happily married, and my relationship is not about give and take and compromise and all that baloney. Sure, when it comes to everyday life and minor issues, you need to adjust such as the time you wake up, the time you go to bed, your daily routine etc.

However, when it comes to major decisions such as where to live, where to invest, where the kids will go to school in the future etc. I have and will have the final say. This is not about dominance, this is about having discipline and balance. You always need an authority figure.

This doesn’t mean you have to tyrannical. You will have discussions and consider all options, but the final call will be your decision.

This is not about education either. My wife is educated but she is comfortable with this arrangement because she also grew up in a household where her father was also the authoritative figure. Same goes for thousands and thousands of subcontinent households because it is patriarchal society.

Patriarchy does not mean misogyny. That is a misconception.

There also thousands of women who are dominating, and they are usually dominating because their mothers were dominant over their subservient fathers. These types of dominant women are only compatible with subservient husbands. When both partners are dominant, the marriage is not compatible, and hence it is not about give and take and compromise.

In Kohli’s case, it appears that Anushka is the dominant partner. First, he had him leave his home in Delhi and relocate to Mumbai because of Bollywood, then she made him leave his team hanging in a hugely important series. I am pretty she will have the final say in naming the child and she will also decide when he retires from cricket and how he divides his time between national duty and family life.

If Kohli is happy and he seems very happy, good for him. However, people should not shy away from calling it what it is.

That's a very elaborate explanation of what you do and what you don't need to do. And the way you judge other people, you remind of that gossip columnist. And keeping in mind the amount of time you spend on PP, you really need something to do with your life.

Anyways, these are two successful people, and its kind of refreshing to see that how women and men can work things out and be mutually respectful to each other, something that you "Authoritative" meatheads would not like to see. People should not shy but he does not owe you anything, he does his job, and treats it like a job rather than a full fledged war you think it is.

These days, relationships are more balanced and wife's can contribute towards their husband's success. Even Kohli has admitted that he is a better man due to Anushka, so try listening to your better half for once, and things might turn out better for you. And society is changing, so the old authority figures like you would be a thing of past.

 

[Faizhassan]

And Mamoon hits the ball out of the park.

The ball is gone. Never to return.

What a shot.

What a wonderful shot.

Damn.

Spits facts, triggers feminists (not referring to any poster here) and nails down the core truth.

I thought I would only see cheerleaders in IPL, but here we go, and facts are never supposed to be "spitted" out, try be rationale for a change .

 

[Faizhassan]

Beautiful.

He's a nutcase.

Just to be clear.

Finally someone making sense, and btw who decides what are the "major" and minor things, as I said, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] guy must be quite fun, just by looking at his long elaborate post when it comes to defending his masculanity, would love to meet him in person.

 

[Savak]

Beautiful.

He's a nutcase.

Just to be clear.

Lol i know, i have met quite a few chauvenists

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I thought I would only see cheerleaders in IPL, but here we go, and facts are never supposed to be "spitted" out, try be rationale for a change .

I am sensible only with my username.

 

[Mamoon]

That's a very elaborate explanation of what you do and what you don't need to do. And the way you judge other people, you remind of that gossip columnist. And keeping in mind the amount of time you spend on PP, you really need something to do with your life.

Anyways, these are two successful people, and its kind of refreshing to see that how women and men can work things out and be mutually respectful to each other, something that you "Authoritative" meatheads would not like to see. People should not shy but he does not owe you anything, he does his job, and treats it like a job rather than a full fledged war you think it is.

These days, relationships are more balanced and wife's can contribute towards their husband's success. Even Kohli has admitted that he is a better man due to Anushka, so try listening to your better half for once, and things might turn out better for you. And society is changing, so the old authority figures like you would be a thing of past.

You are beating around the bush. Being an authoritative figure doesn’t mean you have to be disrespectful. Absolutely not.

Let me explain with a simple example. Let’s say you want to buy house A; your wife wants to buy house B.

Both are adamant at their respective positions. Which house will you buy in the end? Who surrenders?

In traditional subcontinent households, the man has the final say. He will get to make the final call on whether to buy house A or B, and it is obviously better if he takes his wife opinion into consideration as well. However, ultimately when he makes the final decision, the wife accepts.

In non-traditional households where the wife gets to make the final call, the husband has to be docile because if he isn’t, there will be a clash between the two. When the couple will keep disagreeing on every minor and major decision, it will result in a divorce.

To maintain balance, one partner has to be dominant because then there will be no agreement on anything.

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

You are beating around the bush. Being an authoritative figure doesn’t mean you have to be disrespectful. Absolutely not.

Let me explain with a simple example. Let’s say you want to buy house A; your wife wants to buy house B.

Both are adamant at their respective positions. Which house will you buy in the end? Who surrenders?

In traditional subcontinent households, the man has the final say. He will get to make the final call on whether to buy house A or B, and it is obviously better if he takes his wife opinion into consideration as well. However, ultimately when he makes the final decision, the wife accepts.

In non-traditional households where the wife gets to make the final call, the husband has to be docile because if he isn’t, there will be a clash between the two. When the couple will keep disagreeing on every minor and major decision, it will result in a divorce.

To maintain balance, one partner has to be dominant because then there will be no agreement on anything.

I think having an executive decision for bigger things is imp, you deliberatively lose sometimes to make her feel important .You cant win all the time to make it successful

 

[Mamoon]

I think having an executive decision for bigger things is imp, you deliberatively lose sometimes to make her feel important .You cant win all the time to make it successful

Yeah of course, That I agree with.