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This just might be his coming of age. Not many people can perform when they are really called on, to have that big match temperament.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I have always said that kohli is like ponting but people compare him to sachin.
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I wouldnt compare him to atgs like srt or pointing yet. Kohli reminds me the most of kevin peitersen.

I wont be surprised if kohli at his peak pulls off a wisden top 100 atg innings tbh.
 
I'd agree he seems more like Ponting- very talented, slightly emotional, aggressive (even abrasive) in style and personality. More likely to win or change a game by taking an attack apart on his own or from a "hopeless' position because they love the fight.

SRT was much calmer, an incredible technician, amazingly talented but very self contained and didn't always seem to dominate games he perhaps could have influenced more.

He might also end up a Ganguly or Laxman- not quite an atg but just as beloved by the fans for their style and the sheer importance rather than quantity of the great knocks they played. If he is too distracted by T20/ODI for too long, then this is Kohli's most likely bracket imo.

Of course Kohli needs another decade of fantastic performances to earn the right to belong in that bracket- but it's fun to speculate and debate who will/won't. That's why we're here.
 
Swanny said:
I'll be most satisfied if he ends up being the next kevin pietersen.
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As in go down in a fireball with perhaps his best years unfulfilled?

Or as a crowd pleaser who played a few big knocks, played the big games/moments brilliantly but never really ground out the ugly/easy runs to be a 50 avg/10 000 runs man?
 
id be satisfied if kohli continues to play some mind blowing flair filled knocks like kp used to instead of compairing him to srt or ponting straight away.
 
Yeah I wont mind him being the KP mould clutch player. Don't need him to feast on Bangs and Zimbos, he scores quality runs.
 
A 45-50 averaging aggressive and game changing Kohli over 55 averaging accumulating Kohli anytime.
 
I've been critical of him, mostly because he was overhyped relative to performance. But not now, he's a genuine star batsman.
 
I dont thimk he'll end up averaging 50+ based on the recent trend of india- england - aus playing a series almost every 2-3 years that too 4/5 match series which can be very tough.

He'll have to be really good everywhere to end up with that sort of an average.
 
The likes of mathews, shehzad, shafiq, azhar, etc have a higher chance of averaging 50+
 
3rd test hundred of the series.

4th test hundred in Australia.

Highest test score.

:bow: :bow:
 
Beastly knock. Great to see Indian team persisted with him despite his failures. If it was up to Misbah he would have been long dropped terming as he isn't good enough for tests.:uakmal
 
MRSN said:
Beastly knock. Great to see Indian team persisted with him despite his failures. If it was up to Misbah he would have been long dropped terming as he isn't good enough for tests.:uakmal
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Eh, what failures? One bad series after lots of good ones?
 
MRSN said:
Beastly knock. Great to see Indian team persisted with him despite his failures. If it was up to Misbah he would have been long dropped terming as he isn't good enough for tests.:uakmal
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Rubbish.

Umar doesn't even compare to Ali, Shafiq and Shezzy. Kohli's a proven quality player. Great enough record to tolerate a whole year of failures I would say. Tendulkar averages 25 something in 2003-04.
 
MRSN said:
referring to the England series he didn't score much.
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And in none of those series before or after, he was swinging the bat wildly and slogging it away and throwing it away.

When he failed , he failed to classical dismissals.

When he succeeded he played normal cricket.

Not trying to dance down the track after scoring 20 runs.

Maybe that's got something to do with it ? :)

No it must be Misbah.
 
Fantastic batting by him.

No 1 doubted his one day performances but now he's finally been more consistent and dominating in the Test format.

In the end you will be remembered more for your Test batting than limited overs batting.
 
4 tons already in australia , sachin had 6 tons in australia which is most by an asian batsman. Kohli well on his way to break sachins record.
 
Good on him. Wish he was born the other side of the border.
 
He deserves a better Bollywood actress, I don't know why chooses to settle for just Anushaka. His level is Deepika or Katrina minimum. :facepalm:
 
JibranAnsari said:
4 tons already in australia , sachin had 6 tons in australia which is most by an asian batsman. Kohli well on his way to break sachins record.
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6/9 centuries have been outside SC also.


SRT has 18. Lets see if he can surpass that, so far so good.
 
Aman said:
He's a lovely mix of Sachin and Ponting :slater
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The greatest joke of the century :))):))) Just because he's batted exceptionally today, it should not cloud our judgement. He's a mid 40 avgng player, decent batsmen, far from being exceptional. Has both technical and temperamental issues while batting in test matches.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Both of them are busy.

Plus Anushka is good.Virat was blowing kisses to her after scoring his century.
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Deeps has had enough cricketers so I can understand but Katrina, she has to stop dreaming about Hrithik and cheating on Ranbeer.
 
spade said:
The greatest joke of the century :))):))) Just because he's batted exceptionally today, it should not cloud our judgement. He's a mid 40 avgng player, decent batsmen, far from being exceptional. Has both technical and temperamental issues while batting in test matches.
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So who are the young exceptional players?
 
cricketjoshila said:
So who are the young exceptional players?
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there are several better players than him, from his contemporaries, gary ballance, williamson, darren bravo, chadimal, steve smith, mathews, hell even rahane and pujara from our team are better than him in my opinion.
 
spade said:
there are several better players than him, from his contemporaries, gary ballance, williamson, darren bravo, chadimal, steve smith, mathews, hell even rahane and pujara from our team are better than him in my opinion.
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So Williamson who averages 8,10 and 20 in Aus SA and Eng is better than Kohli who averages well above 50 in both SA and Aus?

And seriously Chandimal Bravo Pujara lol
 
spade said:
there are several better players than him, from his contemporaries, gary ballance, williamson, darren bravo, chadimal, steve smith, mathews, hell even rahane and pujara from our team are better than him in my opinion.
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Gary Ballance/Bravo/Chandimal.LOL.Are you serious?

Its interesting how you call Rahane and Pujara as "our" batsman.
 
spade said:
The greatest joke of the century :))):))) Just because he's batted exceptionally today, it should not cloud our judgement. He's a mid 40 avgng player, decent batsmen, far from being exceptional. Has both technical and temperamental issues while batting in test matches.
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Just today? He's been batting exceptionally for a few years now.. :facepalm:
 
Swanny said:
Deepika & katrina are too tall :(

Maybe alia or parineeti
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Sallu wasn't tall.

Alia isn't big enough superstar yet, neither is Preeni, never will be. Also they are not hot enough to be with India's best cricketer.
 
Quality, quality player. The best Asian player since Sachin/Dravid in their pomp. One thing though, as much as people like his "honesty" and "aggression", it's not unbecoming of a class player like him.
 
Sherlock said:
Quality, quality player. The best Asian player since Sachin/Dravid in their pomp. One thing though, as much as people like his "honesty" and "aggression", it's not unbecoming of a class player like him.
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Its his positioning. Appealing to hot blooded internet fans and college bad girls.
 
90MPH said:
Fantastic batting by him.

No 1 doubted his one day performances but now he's finally been more consistent and dominating in the Test format.

In the end you will be remembered more for your Test batting than limited overs batting.
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Lol @ that. ODI and T20 batting is why Kohli has god-like status and a 40 average over some 30 Tests. A 40 avg over 30 matches would NOT bring anyone close to even discussion as a legend/ ATG type batsman or India captain, if Tests were what counts.

Kohli is a super-star and legend and is treated as special precisely because of his unreal ODI and T20 records, which is just proof that Tests isn't what counts especially for Indian batsmen who barely play Tests all that often anyway.
 
Saqs said:
Good on him. Wish he was born the other side of the border.
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Would have been asked to tuk-tuk and dropped after England series/any failure streak longer than 4 matches.

If you think the problem is Pakistan lacks such talent you're missing the real point. World Class players are sitting playing domestic and often not even that, in Pakistan while Asad Shafiq occupies a guaranteed slot.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
Would have been asked to tuk-tuk and dropped after England series/any failure streak longer than 4 matches.

If you think the problem is Pakistan lacks such talent you're missing the real point. World Class players are sitting playing domestic and often not even that, in Pakistan while Asad Shafiq occupies a guaranteed slot.
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Yes, but class always shines through no matter what politics are at play (see Yousuf's career for proof).

Look at the way our fans go crazy over Shehzad, Chota Akmal etc. - now imagine if Virat was in the team.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
Lol @ that. ODI and T20 batting is why Kohli has god-like status and a 40 average over some 30 Tests. A 40 avg over 30 matches would NOT bring anyone close to even discussion as a legend/ ATG type batsman or India captain, if Tests were what counts.

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Once again you show how much you know about cricket. He is respected in tests too as 6 of his 100s are overseas. In SA and Aus where most Asian bats have struggled to score even 1 or 2. Test match fans do not blindly look at averages (as you do with strike rate). They can actually see a players potential by seeing him bat. And Kohli shows his class in each format. Even if his strike rate was 50, he would still be a class player just by seeing him play

Just because you don't like test cricket and are more entertained by IPL, T20 and strike rates does not mean millions in India do not. You might have fleeting fan following because of LOIs(and these same short term fans who only crave entertainment are the ones who burn effigies and abuse players when they lose form) but unless you shine in tests, the world is not going to respect you. Look at the honor and emotions with which Sachin retired. Dhoni is as popular in India, world cup winning captain and ODI legend, but will you see as many tears, respect and honor when he retires? Take a guess
 
CricketAnalyst said:
Lol @ that. ODI and T20 batting is why Kohli has god-like status and a 40 average over some 30 Tests. A 40 avg over 30 matches would NOT bring anyone close to even discussion as a legend/ ATG type batsman or India captain, if Tests were what counts.

Kohli is a super-star and legend and is treated as special precisely because of his unreal ODI and T20 records, which is just proof that Tests isn't what counts especially for Indian batsmen who barely play Tests all that often anyway.
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What a bull. Kohli would just be another Dhoni (without captaincy)/Yuvraj without his achievements in test cricket.
 
nish_mate said:
Kohli needs an Esha Gupta or a List Haydon or dare I say a Neha Sharma
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If he has to pick purely on basis of physical features, than he deserves nothing less than a Victoria secrets'!


Electron said:
He is better off with Sanskari and funny girl like Anushka. Deepika and Katrina keep changing boyfriends for fun.
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Sanskaars and Kohli? Seriously? :23:
 
by the time india tour overseas next time he will become an even better batsman hoping him to cash in make some daddy 100s on indian roads to boost up his average
 
Indiafan said:
Just because you don't like test cricket and are more entertained by IPL, T20 and strike rates does not mean millions in India do not. You might have fleeting fan following because of LOIs(and these same short term fans who only crave entertainment are the ones who burn effigies and abuse players when they lose form) but unless you shine in tests, the world is not going to respect you. Look at the honor and emotions with which Sachin retired. Dhoni is as popular in India, world cup winning captain and ODI legend, but will you see as many tears, respect and honor when he retires? Take a guess
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Dhoni will get adulation when he retires from the fans .Will easily be the next best send of after Sachin

Now compare that with the Send off the likes if Dravid Laxman or Kumble received.Went of without as much a whimper

Heck Ganguly retired in front of an empty stadium
 
Indiafan said:
Once again you show how much you know about cricket. He is respected in tests too as 6 of his 100s are overseas. In SA and Aus where most Asian bats have struggled to score even 1 or 2. Test match fans do not blindly look at averages (as you do with strike rate). They can actually see a players potential by seeing him bat. And Kohli shows his class in each format. Even if his strike rate was 50, he would still be a class player just by seeing him play

Just because you don't like test cricket and are more entertained by IPL, T20 and strike rates does not mean millions in India do not. You might have fleeting fan following because of LOIs(and these same short term fans who only crave entertainment are the ones who burn effigies and abuse players when they lose form) but unless you shine in tests, the world is not going to respect you. Look at the honor and emotions with which Sachin retired. Dhoni is as popular in India, world cup winning captain and ODI legend, but will you see as many tears, respect and honor when he retires? Take a guess
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It just shows how stereotyped your thinking is. I have never said I disliked Test Cricket. In fact I like it (and have said so many times). Unless you like and follow all forms you can't be considered knowledgeable on cricket in my opinion. I am not 'more entertained by strike rates', it's just that high SR is the correct way to play in limited overs which is why I emphasize it during limited overs cricket.

As for Dhoni he is one of the biggest of all time and will get all the respect he deserves when he goes unlike many Test experts. Who cares if the Aussies or NZ guys don't agree?
 
spade said:
there are several better players than him, from his contemporaries, gary ballance, williamson, darren bravo, chadimal, steve smith, mathews, hell even rahane and pujara from our team are better than him in my opinion.
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Chandimal really ? You dont say.
 
Indiafan said:
Once again you show how much you know about cricket. He is respected in tests too as 6 of his 100s are overseas. In SA and Aus where most Asian bats have struggled to score even 1 or 2. Test match fans do not blindly look at averages (as you do with strike rate). They can actually see a players potential by seeing him bat. And Kohli shows his class in each format. Even if his strike rate was 50, he would still be a class player just by seeing him play

Just because you don't like test cricket and are more entertained by IPL, T20 and strike rates does not mean millions in India do not. You might have fleeting fan following because of LOIs(and these same short term fans who only crave entertainment are the ones who burn effigies and abuse players when they lose form) but unless you shine in tests, the world is not going to respect you. Look at the honor and emotions with which Sachin retired. Dhoni is as popular in India, world cup winning captain and ODI legend, but will you see as many tears, respect and honor when he retires? Take a guess
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Virat is turning it on in Tests finally. Only 8 Asian batsmen in entire history have more tons outside of Asia and Virat has played less than 20 tests on those tracks to get to that point.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...6;team=7;team=8;template=results;type=batting
 
cricketjoshila said:
He needs that peak that ATG batsman have for 5-6 years where they avg 60 plus.
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He is still work in progress and has a long career ahead of him. He was always doing great in ODIs but only in the last 12-18 months he has been turning it on in the longer formats.

As far as 60+ peak is concerned, Indians need to stop playing best bowling attacks. You guys have been playing SA, Aus, NZ and Eng one after another. It's not easy to get that kind of peak when you play top bowling sides in their den. I am not sure if he will get that kind of peak but he has plenty of time in his hands.
 
Buffet said:
He is still work in progress and has a long career ahead of him. He was always doing great in ODIs but only in the last 12-18 months he has been turning it on in the longer formats.

As far as 60+ peak is concerned, Indians need to stop playing best bowling attacks. You guys have been playing SA, Aus, NZ and Eng one after another. It's not easy to get that kind of peak when you play top bowling sides in their den. I am not sure if he will get that kind of peak but he has plenty of time in his hands.
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I think india should have 2 overseas tour (3-4 tests & 3-5 odis) each year with one top team like sa / aus / eng & a lower ranked team like nz / wi / sl from hereon.
 
Buffet said:
He is still work in progress and has a long career ahead of him. He was always doing great in ODIs but only in the last 12-18 months he has been turning it on in the longer formats.

As far as 60+ peak is concerned, Indians need to stop playing best bowling attacks. You guys have been playing SA, Aus, NZ and Eng one after another. It's not easy to get that kind of peak when you play top bowling sides in their den. I am not sure if he will get that kind of peak but he has plenty of time in his hands.
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Well Indian batter are rated because they play well in most conditions.We dont have an away series scheduled for the above 4 countries for another 2 years.And i will not like our batters to avg 50 plus by plundering poor attacks.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Well Indian batter are rated because they play well in most conditions.We dont have an away series scheduled for the above 4 countries for another 2 years.And i will not like our batters to avg 50 plus by plundering poor attacks.
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I was only commenting on 60+ avg for 5-6 years part. I personally never rate any batsman based on their aggregate career average. I always look at where they score and who was opposition.
 
For me a sign of a top class test batsmen is one who scores hundreds every 4 or 5 tests, thats something that kohli is doing, shockinlgy he must have the lowest average of any batsmen doing so who has played 20+ tests so that has to improve, i hope he isnt doing just a laxman and only saving good performances for Australia.
 
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