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I am a bit upset with Virat in this match. If IND lose this Test (which I guess is likely), this 'll be second time in 3 Tests, IND is losing because Indian premier batsman got out in the last over of the day to an attacking shot.
 
MMHS said:
I am a bit upset with Virat in this match. If IND lose this Test (which I guess is likely), this 'll be second time in 3 Tests, IND is losing because Indian premier batsman got out in the last over of the day to an attacking shot.
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What about their horrible bowlers? what about their tailenders, can't they be expected to contribue a bit with the bat? I don't think India will lose but if they do the one need to question the bowlers and the captaincy of dhoni.
 
NZcricketfan said:
You really do have serious insecurities over anything Indian
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Come again? If a scrawny Pakistani batsmen tried to talk big to Johnson like this I would have said the same.

In fact I absolutely berated Gul when he tried to give Tamim Iqbal a send off in the Asia Cup
 
NZcricketfan said:
Um yes you did. In fact Johnson and anderson get into plenty of verbals.
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Please show me? And it was 169, by saying he doesn't respect Johnson after a meagre 169 then god knows what the likes of McCullum, Cook, Clarke and co. had withheld after scoring 300+ against India's hapless bowling attack.
 
Cricket_Engineer said:
Please show me? And it was 169, by saying he doesn't respect Johnson after a meagre 169 then god knows what the likes of McCullum, Cook, Clarke and co. had withheld after scoring 300+ against India's hapless bowling attack.
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You are obviously a pretty recent cricket fan. The spats between johnson and anderson are well known
 
NZcricketfan said:
You are obviously a pretty recent cricket fan. The spats between johnson and anderson are well known
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Huh? I know about the Johnson and Anderson sledges. I said show me where Anderson has said something like "I don't respect Virat as a batsman" after making him look like a rookie all series
 
Cricket_Engineer said:
Huh? I know about the Johnson and Anderson sledges. I said show me where Anderson has said something like "I don't respect Virat as a batsman" after making him look like a rookie all series
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Johnson deserves what he gets if he is going to try and sledge when he 100-0 at 4.5 an over
 
Swanny said:
Chandimal really ? You dont say.
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I found him to be quite a player, hasn't blossomed entirely yet, but a tremendous prospect, definitely lanka's best batsmen by a distance, is going through a lean patch currently, was a total beast when sri lanka toured aus.
 
Aman said:
Just today? He's been batting exceptionally for a few years now.. :facepalm:
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Really is that so ? watson can also pummel bowlers into oblivion and look exceptional, only difference is he lasts for his 40, if a batsmen is given lives not once but thrice they tend to score big, that's exactly what you are seeing don't get sold on virat yet, rahane is far better from our team.
 
spade said:
I found him to be quite a player, hasn't blossomed entirely yet, but a tremendous prospect, definitely lanka's best batsmen by a distance, is going through a lean patch currently, was a total beast when sri lanka toured aus.
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Virat has 30 hundreds already overall. Let chandimal score half of those then maybe we'll talk.
 
Swanny said:
Virat has 30 hundreds already overall. Let chandimal score half of those then maybe we'll talk.
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Hey bro don't get unnecessarily worked up, its just my opinion and frankly my opinion matters nothing, lets just stick to our opinions
 
Cricket_Engineer said:
rat needs to understand that Johnson could knock him out with 1 hand tied behind his back, he doesn't have the stature to scare any of these players :)) he is scrawny and malnourished compared to Johnson

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This is the kind of mentality why you have remained a coward without any girlfriend while Kohli is a mega superstar dating Bollywood actresses. He is gutsy and backs himself to take on the odds, you're scared seeing Mitch Johnson's behind, says a lot about you. :)))
 
spade said:
I found him to be quite a player, hasn't blossomed entirely yet, but a tremendous prospect, definitely lanka's best batsmen by a distance, is going through a lean patch currently, was a total beast when sri lanka toured aus.
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How many runs does Chandimal scored when he toured Australia.I don't remember any centuries?
 
4 test hundreds in 7 innings in Australia.

5th test hundred in Australia overall. Freak of nature! :kohli
 
Cricket_Engineer said:
Come again? If a scrawny Pakistani batsmen tried to talk big to Johnson like this I would have said the same.

In fact I absolutely berated Gul when he tried to give Tamim Iqbal a send off in the Asia Cup
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In cricket, you talk with your bat or ball. What does being scrawny anything to do with this? You may be the world's strongest man, if you can't play cricket then you are a nobody to cricket and cricket fans.
 
Respect to him, silenced all his critics through performance in this series. May still have a weakness against swing but all players have weaknesses.

Except Tendy he didn't really have one.
 
Why isn't Kohli playing today's India vs England match? India really looking in trouble without him against the new ball.
 
It's India's new batting order for world cup. Rohit and dhawan to open. Rahane at one down. Kohli at 2 down.
 
Not impressed with this at all. Although it is understandable with Kohli's weaknesses against swing.
 
Bilal7 said:
Not impressed with this at all. Although it is understandable with Kohli's weaknesses against swing.
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What can we do, you tell us. We know Kohli isn't good against swing. In fact, no Indian batsman is. Should we stop playing?
 
The hiding didn't work?

Kohli should be asking himself, why isn't Sri Lanka playing this tri series in Australia!
 
I think, gradually every team 'll use this against VK - short of a length, close to body & no singles to start with. His entire game is based on pushing singles from the start & wait for bad balls.

By the way, ENG understood way too late that this Indian lot isn't comfortable if someone can make them smell the hard cherry, wasted 6 months before using Finn....... I thought, at Lords Test, they should have played him.
 
Sandeep said:
What can we do, you tell us. We know Kohli isn't good against swing. In fact, no Indian batsman is. Should we stop playing?
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No. Play Rahane and Rohit up top, drop FTB Dhawan and keep Kohli at #4. Also, cut down on the unnecessary hype. Not talking about you, I'm talking about some other Indian posters.
 
Aman said:
Failure in England, failure against JK and failure at the Gabba followed by 100's in every other road.
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Failure in England thats it.

100s in SA
100s in NZ
Almost 700 runs in Aus

I will take this FTB anyday.Thank You.
 
Kohli just made 4 tons in one single tour to Aus. Thats more than Inzi, Anwar, Yousuf and Younis managed combined in their entire careers. Anyone who saw his tons in SA and the final innings of the first test in Aus has to be delusional to call him an FTB.

Although, I would wait till the WC to make up my mind on what kind of ODI legacy he'll leave behind.
 
Problem right now is that other guys in the team like Dhawan aren't performing, and today guys like Raina, Rayudu and Rahane totally flopped so it makes Virat's performance look even worse. With all these guys out of form, Indian batting is depending too much on Kohli and the pressure seems to be getting to him a little bit, I feel.
 
People here just wait for him to fail to criticize him that shows how good he is even the haters expect him to score every game.He'll be soon back to his best sure he struggles against swing but so does everyone.
 
This world cup he will destroy some teams, his recent two failed innings is building rage within himself, once he unleashes he will be unstoppable. Most of the time he unleashes all of his anger against the Lions :murali
 
Aman said:
Failure in England, failure against JK and failure at the Gabba followed by 100's in every other road.
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Eerrr, every other road ? all the other Indian bats barring 2 scored runs.......... Also check Kohli's test batting avg at the Waca ;)....
 
Aman said:
Failure in England, failure against JK and failure at the Gabba followed by 100's in every other road.
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Eerrr, every other road ? all the other Indian bats barring 2 failed to score any runs.......... Also check Kohli's test batting avg at the Waca ;)....


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I want know whether playing white ball/ ODI cricket in Australia is harder than playing red ball/ test cricket? Tendulkar waited for his only ODI century in Australia for nearly 20 years while he scored 6 test centuries. Maybe playing white ball with ODI fielding structure & high bounce out side off stump is difficult for scoring runs. or not?
 
Haters out in full force again. As mentioned before, the only way to test a pitch is if Kohli scores runs on it.

If Kohli scores runs = Flat track. Total phatta. Kohli doesn't = Seaming conditions. Failure and an FTB.

I'm willing to sig bet with ANYONE on this forum that he will average above 50 with a SR of 90+ in the WC. But then of course, the tracks in the WC will be labelled phattas. :)
 
To all the people doubting him, just give me the criteria on which you'll judge him to be a success or failure in the WC. That's it.
 
Anchorman said:
To all the people doubting him, just give me the criteria on which you'll judge him to be a success or failure in the WC. That's it.
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Average 100 at S/R of 100+ against each of Aus,SA,NZ and Eng - in matches involving Steyn, Johnson, Boult, Anderson etc - and every other batsman must fail in these matches to confirm that it was not a patta. If Kohli meets these criteria, then the final judgement will made on the basis of a coin toss.:)
 
IndianWillow said:
Average 100 at S/R of 100+ against each of Aus,SA,NZ and Eng - in matches involving Steyn, Johnson, Boult, Anderson etc - and every other batsman must fail in these matches to confirm that it was not a patta. If Kohli meets these criteria, then the final judgement will made on the basis of a coin toss.:)
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What if he fails against Ireland, WI and the other minnows? A top team basher! Can't perform against the minnows. Poor player.
 
Aman said:
Definitely, he failed at the Gabba because of the extra bounce. Scored heavily in every other Test where the wicket was a road with nothing.
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So according to you, Dhawan must be a very good player of bounce since he got 80 in that Test.
 
Aman said:
Failure in England, failure against JK and failure at the Gabba followed by 100's in every other road.
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After that tour till now
Kohli add 10 odi centuries and 5 test centuries in his account.

Junaid khan-don't know how many fifers or match winning performance rather than remaining injured whole year.ya match winning last over against sa add too.Struggling to remain fit even for wc.
 
Abhilash93 said:
So according to you, Dhawan must be a very good player of bounce since he got 80 in that Test.
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All I'm saying is he's not as good as good of a batsmen as we thought he was. His failures in difficult conditions are adding up and making him look more and more like a FTB.
 
Nothing matters said:
People here just wait for him to fail to criticize him that shows how good he is even the haters expect him to score every game.He'll be soon back to his best sure he struggles against swing but so does everyone.
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There's nothing wrong in being a FTB, KW has yet to score in difficult wickets as well (poor averages in SA and Aus, when wickets actually assisted the pacers).
 
IndianWillow said:
Average 100 at S/R of 100+ against each of Aus,SA,NZ and Eng - in matches involving Steyn, Johnson, Boult, Anderson etc - and every other batsman must fail in these matches to confirm that it was not a patta. If Kohli meets these criteria, then the final judgement will made on the basis of a coin toss.:)
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Scoring runs on the phattas of NZ is hardly a feat, Darren Bravo has a double here following on. How highly do you rate him? Today all players have to have is excellent temperament to score heavily, once there's a bit of bounce or swing then those techniques of Bradmans are exposed.
 
Aman said:
There's nothing wrong in being a FTB, KW has yet to score in difficult wickets as well (poor averages in SA and Aus, when wickets actually assisted the pacers).
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No but he's too good a batsman to be just a FTB and same goes for KW.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Failure in England thats it.

100s in SA
100s in NZ
Almost 700 runs in Aus

I will take this FTB anyday.Thank You.
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All good batting tracks where the only thing to worry about was bounce. Has he ever had a good innings in genuinely swing-friendly conditions?
 
Kohli is a major hack. Expect him to go centuryless and out in the first round of world cup. Kohli is just all hype. Its hillarious after two months even the Kohli's and the Rahane's are still trying to cope with the bounce of Aussie pitches. India don't deserve to play against top teams. ICC should treat India like they treat the minnows. At least then they will eat some humble pie..
 
I don't get it.

It's almost becoming like a vendetta now.

Kohli scores - it's a flat phatta

Kohli doesn't score - It was swinging, bouncy conditions.

It's almost like, failures or success of Kohli are used to define the pitch.
 
Bilal7 said:
All good batting tracks where the only thing to worry about was bounce. Has he ever had a good innings in genuinely swing-friendly conditions?
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I know he is not as good as Umar Akmal but who really is ? Umar is in a class of his own. Imagine if Kohli actually did well in ENG ? you would've been devastated as a Pakistani as you would have nothing to have a dig at him with..
 
Kohli is Englands bunny. He has a mental block as most Indians do against Western cricketers.
 
Romali_rotti said:
I know he is not as good as Umar Akmal but who really is ? Umar is in a class of his own. Imagine if Kohli actually did well in ENG ? you would've been devastated as a Pakistani as you would have nothing to have a dig at him with..
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Stop with this awful sarcasm. Kohli is much better than Akmal and I don't know what you're talking about by mentioning England where he has a poor record against the English.
 
Snak3eye5 said:
Kohli is a major hack. Expect him to go centuryless and out in the first round of world cup. Kohli is just all hype. Its hillarious after two months even the Kohli's and the Rahane's are still trying to cope with the bounce of Aussie pitches. India don't deserve to play against top teams. ICC should treat India like they treat the minnows. At least then they will eat some humble pie..
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And the Lord comes to save Kohli.. :)))
 
Romali_rotti said:
I know he is not as good as Umar Akmal but who really is ? Umar is in a class of his own. Imagine if Kohli actually did well in ENG ? you would've been devastated as a Pakistani as you would have nothing to have a dig at him with..
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Are you really serious???
Or just mocking???
What Umar has done till now except debut century in test cricket.Even Raina scored debut century but never hyped him as guys have hyped umar akmal.
This guy isnt making to playing 11 in odis at home.Thats his class..!!!!
 
Rawstar said:
Are you really serious???
Or just mocking???
What Umar has done till now except debut century in test cricket.Even Raina scored debut century but never hyped him as guys have hyped umar akmal.
This guy isnt making to playing 11 in odis at home.Thats his class..!!!!
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Mocking.
 
Aman said:
1 score in dozen says otherwise, how has Kohli gone on other wickets with bounce or swing?
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Did well at Perth, Joberg.
Which other pitches have pace/bounce/swing according to you?

Not saying he is perfect against all types of bowling. Infact, he has a long way to go against swing.
But A player can also be out of form sometimes. In that England series, he looked out of sorts even in the practice games, even on the patta at Trent Bridge, even in the ODIs. The likes of Bhuvi, Shami, Dhoni scored runs there. Does that mean they are better players of swing than him ?
 
I don't think anyone outside India rates him. He is indeed an FTB.
 
Think you guys are being a little too harsh on him.
He struggled on very difficult wickets, as any batsman would.
Let's see how he does on them in the future, I'll reserve my judgement for then.
 
Think you guys are being a little too harsh on him.
He struggled on very difficult wickets, as any batsman would.
Let's see how he does on them in the future, I'll reserve my judgement for then.
 
Not sure if posted before, but what a turnaround of fate. This would have been a big confidence booster for young kohli, i wish i knew how it feels to do something like this.

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^Yes, this has been doing the circles even in PP, if I recollect correctly. Atul Wassan can also be seen in the pic. I bet he was kicked out of the Delhi team by a young Nehra at some time.

This reminds me of the Dhoni story, where he went spotted his ex Railways coach in the crowd, after a match, went straight to him and sarcastically asked 'Pehchana sir, Mai dhoni, mere batting mein koi kami toh nahi hai na'. this was a retort to his ex coach telling him he was not good enough to play for the railways team and hence wasn't selected.
 
EliteCynical said:
^Yes, this has been doing the circles even in PP, if I recollect correctly. Atul Wassan can also be seen in the pic. I bet he was kicked out of the Delhi team by a young Nehra at some time.

This reminds me of the Dhoni story, where he went spotted his ex Railways coach in the crowd, after a match, went straight to him and sarcastically asked 'Pehchana sir, Mai dhoni, mere batting mein koi kami toh nahi hai na'. this was a retort to his ex coach telling him he was not good enough to play for the railways team and hence wasn't selected.
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Imagine the number of gems that never make it to the cricketing field because some unqualified and egotistical coach told him that he can't bat/bowl.
 
Syed1 said:
Imagine the number of gems that never make it to the cricketing field because some unqualified and egotistical coach told him that he can't bat/bowl.
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Yeah. You bet. This is an excerpt from am article on KP and how he wanted a young Pak kid to be selected in trials but he was rejected by the coach.
Back at Trent Bridge, there was one short and chubby Pakistani kid, who was the youngest to chance his arm on the day. No way was he a cricketer. We were up against boys who played rugby in winter, were well into pubescence and reeking of Lynx, and here was a pudgy tween. Surely he would bowl us some loopy medium-pace and provide welcome respite to the barrage of pace from the rest of the bowlers.

He trundled up to the crease, and the batsman’s eyes lit up: the backlift became higher, the stance more pronounced. This was the one bowler against whom he could show off his full repertoire of strokes. I maintain that what followed was as close to a miracle as I have seen in sport, even surpassing*Dwayne Leverock’s effort. The short, chubby lad could bowl. On an indoor surface he was ripping leg-spin that was from another planet. Flippers, googlies, sliders, all being bowled by a kid who was unmistakably out of place.

Pietersen took an interest in the boy, asking how he gripped it, and then watched with befuddlement as batsmen were castled and lost balance against the spiteful bite that was being extracted. The boy was wide-eyed, totally naive. His father was a taxi driver, and had driven him to Trent Bridge in a black cab from Edinburgh. A two-day event, and they slept Saturday night in the cab.

On the second day, as the final picks of the trialists were being made, the leg-spinner had to be the first choice. A kid so talented, surely he would be fast-tracked to a county? Names were called out, and Inzy, as I’d come to know him, had not made the cut. I overheard Pietersen saying that he had vouched for him vehemently, but the other coaches had vetoed it on account of his lack of fitness. He just*could not understand*how such an obvious talent, such a stand-out diamond in the rough, begging to be polished, could be ignored in this country. He’s still no closer to understanding English cricket today.


Source - http://www.alloutcricket.com/cricket/blogs/kp-the-maverick-reject
 
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