Virat Kohli - The Mega Discussion

[Electron]

ok done India-South Africa match excluded every other match will count and Amla will score more than Kohli done?

Btw i can imagine your face if Amla fail against indian trundlers and Kohli score against Steyn and co lol than dont tell me this match count

Done, so what's the bet? Also tell me what happens if one batsman gets extra two matches (because we want to keep it fair).

 

[Anchorman]

ok so what is the bet i mean signature line?

You decide, jaani. Bhai hai tu apna. I don't even care about sigs and all, just wanted someone to take me up on the bet so the WC becomes more interesting.

 

[Strike Rate]

Done, so what's the bet? Also tell me what happens if one batsman gets extra two matches (because we want to keep it fair).

You are looking for every safety possible lol i am the one who is taking risk Amla play for SA and they never won a KO match not even a quarter final lol so extra matches should count!

 

[Anchorman]

Just to clarify my opinion on who's the best ODI batsman these days. I believe De Villiers to be the best batsman in the format, and I think if he has a solid WC and plays a clutch innings or two in the QF and semis then he will have a claim to be up there with the best ever.

The competition between Amla/Kohli is a lot tougher and both are head and shoulders above the rest. Kohli edges it for me based on the simple fact, that he has played a lot more memorable innings in his career, maybe because he's so good chasing which is why his great innings stay longer in the mind. Amla is a spectacular cricketer and I would not question anyone who thinks he is better than Kohli. He's significantly better than Virat when it comes to setting a total and is generally more reliable.

However, Kohli's record chasing is so insane, it's unbelievable. The amount of matches the guy has won India is remarkable, and his innings against SL in Hobart and the twin centuries against Australia chasing 300+ were unreal. Ultimately, the reason why I rate him to be a better batsman is because he has the ability to change gears better than Amla. All down to preference. It's not a India/Pakistan debate, you don't have to pick a side. You can be a fan of both.

[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] Please read this for my views on this topic.

 

[Strike Rate]

You decide, jaani. Bhai hai tu apna. I don't even care about sigs and all, just wanted someone to take me up on the bet so the WC becomes more interesting.

Kohli? Hoga apne ghar ka kohli meri to waat lagwa gaya bet main

how about this one!

 

[Strike Rate]

and if i lose replace kohli with shehzad for same line

 

[Bilal7]

Not to forget this little beauty that came in a losing match but Amla scored a century while South Africa as a whole were bowled out for 180.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/730085.html

 

[Anchorman]

Forget five. Give me one innings of Kohli that had as much quality as the century Amla scored against a top notch Pakistani attack containing Akhtar, Ajmal, Afridi and Hafeez. Amla scored 119* out of a South African total of 228. An extremely tough pitch to bat on and it was an innings I shall never forget.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/461568.html

That's my favorite Amla innings.

 

[Anchorman]

Kohli? Hoga apne ghar ka kohli meri to waat lagwa gaya bet main

how about this one!

Brilliant. If you lose, you change your AV to Kohli for a week.

 

[Anchorman]

In fact, the sig suggestion you gave is just perfect. Let's keep it that way.

 

[Strike Rate]

Brilliant. If you lose, you change your AV to Kohli for a week.

ok done tan tan!

 

[Bilal7]

[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] Please read this for my views on this topic.

Understood and I respect your opinion. I don't agree with it though and I have seen Amla play a lot more quality innings on the toughest of pitches which is what makes a batsman for me.

I still rate Kohli as the fourth, if not the third best ODI batsman today because of much the same reasons you provided. His record in chases is superb and he;s a beast in the subcon.

 

[Strike Rate]

That's my favorite Amla innings.

That one is my fav too and i still remember how Akhtar stopped to praise Amla when Amla completed that hundred in his over. We lost that match because of Amla century

 

[Bilal7]

That's my favorite Amla innings.

Akhtar patting Amla on the back and saying a few words of congrats meant a lot for some reason. The Rawalpindi express doesn't show admiration easily, even for the nicest of people.

 

[Electron]

Forget five. Give me one innings of Kohli that had as much quality as the century Amla scored against a top notch Pakistani attack containing Akhtar, Ajmal, Afridi and Hafeez. Amla scored 119* out of a South African total of 228. An extremely tough pitch to bat on and it was an innings I shall never forget.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/461568.html

Or the 150* he scored against England on another tough pitch and Amla was at ease as usual. An English attack containing Anderson, Finn and Swann.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/534229.html

But ofcourse, for our IPL drunk Electron, Kohli flaying the Lankan bowlers on a flat track at a SR of 200 is better.

Wow, Shoaib Akhtar from 2010, on a Dubai track. Must have been tough indeed.

Kohli chasing 325 in 36 overs, scoring 133 not out, when the next best score was 63.
Kohli chase in Asia Cup, chase of 330. Kohli score 183, next best score for India ? Just 68 runs !

These are the innings Amla bhai cannot even dream of playing, and this is where I rate Kohli more.

 

[Strike Rate]

[MENTION=137238]Anchorman[/MENTION] look how much risk i have taken difference between Shehzad and Kohli rates on bookies list
[MENTION=134240]Electron[/MENTION] btw for bookies Amla and Warner are joint fav as leading run getter in this WC. Kohli,ABD,Williansom and Baz are joint second

 

[Strike Rate]

I find it interesting bookies are showing so much interest in Warner although so far his odi career was mediocre

 

[Strike Rate]

Akhtar patting Amla on the back and saying a few words of congrats meant a lot for some reason. The Rawalpindi express doesn't show admiration easily, even for the nicest of people.

I remember after that series Shoaib said subah dhulaai kerta tha Amla shaam ko namaz perhata tha apne peeche ba jamaat

 

[Bilal7]

Wow, Shoaib Akhtar from 2010, on a Dubai track. Must have been tough indeed.

Kohli chasing 325 in 36 overs, scoring 133 not out, when the next best score was 63.
Kohli chase in Asia Cup, chase of 330. Kohli score 183, next best score for India ? Just 68 runs !

These are the innings Amla bhai cannot even dream of playing, and this is where I rate Kohli more.

As expected really. Absolute roads and Kohli dominating proceedings makes him the second best batsman in the world.

Do you remember how Hafeez and Jamshed got centuries in that Asia Cup game and how Younis scored a fifty at a SR of around 200? LOL, yeah it was that flat.

 

[Bilal7]

I remember after that series Shoaib said subah dhulaai kerta tha Amla shaam ko namaz perhata tha apne peeche ba jamaat

LOL. Amazing stuff.

 

[Electron]

As expected really. Absolute roads and Kohli dominating proceedings makes him the second best batsman in the world.

Do you remember how Hafeez and Jamshed got centuries in that Asia Cup game and how Younis scored a fifty at a SR of around 200? LOL, yeah it was that flat.

Can Amla bhai even dream of playing such innings on absolute roads? Can he even do half of that?

Don't forget that those were the pressure innings that kept India in the tournament.

 

[Electron]

You are looking for every safety possible lol i am the one who is taking risk Amla play for SA and they never won a KO match not even a quarter final lol so extra matches should count!

You are playing it easy bhai. It is obvious that India's WC journey won't last long. Ok, here's the deal, runs per innings.

I am just trying to keep it fair.

 

[Strike Rate]

You are playing it easy bhai. It is obvious that India's WC journey won't last long. Ok, here's the deal, runs per innings.

I am just trying to keep it fair.

so you are discounting not outs? fine but lets make it for group stage+quarter final because you are not comfortable with whole wc

 

[Bilal7]

Can Amla bhai even dream of playing such innings on absolute roads? Can he even do half of that?

Don't forget that those were the pressure innings that kept India in the tournament.

Yes, he played a similar innings against the Windies recently but if Amla also dominated attacks on flat tracks as frequently as Kohli, would this even be a comparison?

Amla scores his runs on the tough pitches which is why I place him higher than Kohli.

 

[Electron]

so you are discounting not outs? fine but lets make it for group stage+quarter final because you are not comfortable with whole wc

Let us discount not-outs. Since Amla opens, it wouldn't be fair if I go with averages. As for whole quarters or whole tourney, let it be your call too.

In case you choose former, if both teams make it to semis, the bet too extends for those matches. Fair?

 

[Strike Rate]

Let us discount not-outs. Since Amla opens, it wouldn't be fair if I go with averages. As for whole quarters or whole tourney, let it be your call too.

In case you choose former, if both teams make it to semis, the bet too extends for those matches. Fair?

yes bet will extend in that case so we will count runs per innings without not outs done! av bet or sig bet?

 

[Electron]

Yes, he played a similar innings against the Windies recently but if Amla also dominated attacks on flat tracks as frequently as Kohli, would this even be a comparison?

Amla scores his runs on the tough pitches which is why I place him higher than Kohli.

I am of the view that Amla can only support and is not good enough to take charge in such extreme scenarios. ABD is the one who will win South Africa those matches.

Amla and Kohli have different styles and they excel in different aspects. What we choose is our choice, but let's not call other person deluded for making that choice.

 

[Electron]

yes bet will extend in that case so we will count runs per innings without not outs done! av bet or sig bet?

You got it. Let's make it a sig bet. What's the signature?

 

[Anchorman]

As expected really. Absolute roads and Kohli dominating proceedings makes him the second best batsman in the world.

Do you remember how Hafeez and Jamshed got centuries in that Asia Cup game and how Younis scored a fifty at a SR of around 200? LOL, yeah it was that flat.

Bilal bhai, you're criminally underrating these innings. Chasing 325 in 36 overs when the next best score is 63, means you basically single-handedly chased the total yourself. Also, take into account his age at that time! I don't see why you're not rating his Asia Cup innings highly either, any important knock against your biggest rivals regardless of the pitch should be a feather in your cap.

Kohli is judged to absurdly high standards tbh. Pitches really don't matter when you consider the stage (Indo-Pak). Anwar scored 194 on a flat track feasting on the likes of Kuruvilla, Robin Singh, Joshi and Tendulkar, yet that innings is up there with the very best scored by a Pakistani.

 

[Strike Rate]

You got it. Let's make it a sig bet. What's the signature?

___ is currently the best ODI batsman in the world. replace ___ with kohli or amla depending on who wins.

 

[Anchorman]

[MENTION=137238]Anchorman[/MENTION] look how much risk i have taken difference between Shehzad and Kohli rates on bookies list
[MENTION=134240]Electron[/MENTION] btw for bookies Amla and Warner are joint fav as leading run getter in this WC. Kohli,ABD,Williansom and Baz are joint second

You're definitely going with the motto of Go big or Go home!

 

[Bilal7]

I am of the view that Amla can only support and is not good enough to take charge in such extreme scenarios. ABD is the one who will win South Africa those matches.

Amla and Kohli have different styles and they excel in different aspects. What we choose is our choice, but let's not call other person deluded for making that choice.

Did Amla support in any of those matches, or was he the main guy? Is Amla really a supporting player when he scores the highest % of runs for South Africa? IIRC, he is the top batsman in this department in the world.

If this is not delusion then what is? Nor should you sit on your high horse when you've used the very word in this thread itself.

 

[Electron]

___ is currently the best ODI batsman in the world. replace ___ with kohli or amla depending on who wins.

Deal.

 

[Strike Rate]

You're definitely going with the motto of Go big or Go home!

Life without big risk is life without fun for me!

 

[Bilal7]

___ is currently the best ODI batsman in the world. replace ___ with kohli or amla depending on who wins.

Where does ABD fit into all this?

 

[Mamoon]

Had he scored today, this thread would have been bumped for minnow bashing.

 

[Strike Rate]

What really surprise me is bookies giving 40/1 for younus being leading scorer in the tourney they should make it 4000/1 and still there is no risk lol

 

[Electron]

Did Amla support in any of those matches, or was he the main guy? Is Amla really a supporting player when he scores the highest % of runs for South Africa? IIRC, he is the top batsman in this department in the world.

If this is not delusion then what is? Nor should you sit on your high horse when you've used the very word in this thread itself.

Amla can chase 220 better on a swinging wicket, but he cannot chase 325+ on any pitch and becomes a liability.

Just imagine, can Amla chase his team a target of 321 in 36 overs to keep his team alive in a tourney? No way. That's the only reason I rate Kohli higher.

 

[Strike Rate]

Where does ABD fit into all this?

He is above both in my view and shouldn't be compared

 

[Anchorman]

Had he scored today, this thread would have been bumped for minnow bashing.

Precisely. "Can't score against Aus/Eng. Back amongst the runs against Afghanistan. Such a flat track! Minnow basher!" etc

 

[Bilal7]

Bilal bhai, you're criminally underrating these innings. Chasing 325 in 36 overs when the next best score is 63, means you basically single-handedly chased the total yourself. Also, take into account his age at that time! I don't see why you're not rating his Asia Cup innings highly either, any important knock against your biggest rivals regardless of the pitch should be a feather in your cap.

Kohli is judged to absurdly high standards tbh. Pitches really don't matter when you consider the stage (Indo-Pak). Anwar scored 194 on a flat track feasting on the likes of Kuruvilla, Robin Singh, Joshi and Tendulkar, yet that innings is up there with the very best scored by a Pakistani.

They were fantastic innings, no doubt. If any Pakistani player had scored those centuries, they would be hyped up to no extent but I don't rate them as highly as the magnificent tons that Amla has scored time and time again on the most difficult pitches in the world.

Kohli is definitely held in different standards to other batsmen today, just like Amla, ABD and Dhoni are. Umar Akmal would give an arm to possess Kohli's flawed but excellent record but the #2 batsman in the world cannot keep failing against swing bowling without losing that designation to someone better.

 

[Anchorman]

[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] reply to post 3329 please.

 

[Anchorman]

They were fantastic innings, no doubt. If any Pakistani player had scored those centuries, they would be hyped up to no extent but I don't rate them as highly as the magnificent tons that Amla has scored time and time again on the most difficult pitches in the world.

Kohli is definitely held in different standards to other batsmen today, just like Amla, ABD and Dhoni are. Umar Akmal would give an arm to possess Kohli's flawed but excellent record but the #2 batsman in the world cannot keep failing against swing bowling without losing that designation to someone better.

I finally understand your view point and I respect it. Thank you.

 

[jusarrived]

They were fantastic innings, no doubt. If any Pakistani player had scored those centuries, they would be hyped up to no extent but I don't rate them as highly as the magnificent tons that Amla has scored time and time again on the most difficult pitches in the world.

Kohli is definitely held in different standards to other batsmen today, just like Amla, ABD and Dhoni are. Umar Akmal would give an arm to possess Kohli's flawed but excellent record but the #2 batsman in the world cannot keep failing against swing bowling without losing that designation to someone better.

Am asking you again . show me those Amlas great innings against top notch pace bowlers like MJ on these most dificult pitches . An ODI innings .

else stop making up stuff

 

[Bilal7]

Amla can chase 220 better on a swinging wicket, but he cannot chase 325+ on any pitch and becomes a liability.

Just imagine, can Amla chase his team a target of 321 in 36 overs to keep his team alive in a tourney? No way. That's the only reason I rate Kohli higher.

A batsman that scores at a strike rate of 100 will never be a liability. In South Africa's most recent warm-up match, him and De Kock were cruising along without risk, despite the RRR being in the 7.xx range.

He has shown that he can up the tempo and score at a SR in the 120's but most often than not, he doesn't need to. Surely there would be atleast a few games that South Africa lost chasing 300+, if your claim about Amla being a liability is correct, no?

No, Amla cannot chase that many in 30 overs and full marks to Kohli for that chase, I thoroughly enjoyed it, but that innings doesn't make him the second best batsman in the world.

Being a bunny against swing is much bigger negative than not being able to chase 300+ in 30 overs is.

 

[Electron]

Kohli is definitely held in different standards to other batsmen today, just like Amla, ABD and Dhoni are. Umar Akmal would give an arm to possess Kohli's flawed but excellent record but the #2 batsman in the world cannot keep failing against swing bowling without losing that designation to someone better.

Tell me where ball swings in ODIs? 90% of the times, In India, UAE, Australia, SOuth Africa, NZ, Sri Lanka, bangladesh, Pakistan.. or any other country, ODIs are played on tracks where Kohli excels.

Amla is a better Test batsman for possessing the ability to score run-a-ball in swinging conditions, but for ODIs, that ability loses it's significance for the kind of pitches ODI Cricket is played on.

 

[Electron]

Being a bunny against swing is much bigger negative than not being able to chase 300+ in 30 overs is.

For ODIs, it is not. Ball doesn't swing in 95% of the matches around the world.

 

[Bilal7]

Am asking you again . show me those Amlas great innings against top notch pace bowlers like MJ on these most dificult pitches . An ODI innings .

else stop making up stuff

MJ is the only pace bowler in the world?

Tell me where ball swings in ODIs? 90% of the times, In India, UAE, Australia, SOuth Africa, NZ, Sri Lanka, bangladesh, Pakistan.. or any other country, ODIs are played on tracks where Kohli excels.

Amla is a better Test batsman for possessing the ability to score run-a-ball in swinging conditions, but for ODIs, that ability loses it's significance for the kind of pitches ODI Cricket is played on.

Excuse me but haven't you been paying attention recently? Kohli has failed in India, in South Africa, had a below par series in England and is now struggling big time in Australia.

If what you say is true, Kohli would be scoring runs everywhere but we all know what his record in Australia, South Africa and England against the home team is, don't we? It was an average of 17 at a SR of 60 odd in the past three years.

Amla is a monster on flat tracks and better than any other batsman except two, so I don't see how this argument hurts him. Yes, Kohli is better on flat tracks but Amla is miles ahead on tracks that support swing and guess where the WC is taking place?

 

[jusarrived]

Amla doesnt play against Steyn or Morkel . He couldnt put a bat against Mohd Irfan IIRC .

& heres Amlas last series in Aus .

8,10,102,18,18 156@31 . thanks to the one 100 & guess what MJ did not play that game .

 

[jusarrived]

MJ is the only pace bowler in the world?



Excuse me but haven't you been paying attention recently? Kohli has failed in India, in South Africa, had a below par series in England and is now struggling big time in Australia.

If what you say is true, Kohli would be scoring runs everywhere but we all know what his record in Australia, South Africa and England against the home team is, don't we? It was an average of 17 at a SR of 60 odd in the past three years.

Amla is a monster on flat tracks and better than any other batsman except two, so I don't see how this argument hurts him. Yes, Kohli is better on flat tracks but Amla is miles ahead on tracks that support swing and guess where the WC is taking place?

Then who has he done well against ?

 

[Bilal7]

For ODIs, it is not. Ball doesn't swing in 95% of the matches around the world.

That is wrong sir. The ball swings in most countries and certainly does so down under which is the reason behind moving Kohli down to #4.

I don't see how anyone can say that the ball doesn't swing in Australia after watching the past six games featuring India.

 

[Bilal7]

Then who has he done well against ?

Everyone else.

 

[jusarrived]

Everyone else.

for the last time , show me a Amla match winning ODI innings on a difficult pitch against the best ( forget best ), good pace attack .

 

[Electron]

That is wrong sir. The ball swings in most countries and certainly does so down under which is the reason behind moving Kohli down to #4.

I don't see how anyone can say that the ball doesn't swing in Australia after watching the past six games featuring India.

Bilal bhai, Amla bhai can't chase 350, that's the reason I rate Kohli. AMla bhai needs AB to win matches, Kohli can play that part on his own

 

[Electron]

for the last time , show me a Amla match winning ODI innings on a difficult pitch against the best ( forget best ), good pace attack .

That stat doesn't exist. Difficult pitch+best attack argument is valid only for Kohli bhai.

 

[jusarrived]

Bilal bhai, Amla bhai can't chase 350, that's the reason I rate Kohli. AMla bhai needs AB to win matches, Kohli can play that part on his own

He will tell you that scoring runs batting first is more difficult than chasing lol

 

[Electron]

He will tell you that scoring runs batting first is more difficult than chasing lol

Whatever Amla bhai does is more difficult.

 

[Mamoon]

If Kohli was a South African Muslim with a beard, and Amla bhai was a Indian Hindu with tattoos, same people would have been singing different songs now.

 

[Mamoon]

an Indian*

 

[Strike Rate]

Dil ka bughaz bahir aa he jata he na chahte hue be kuch logon ki dushmani just daarhi se hai one can feel for these nafsyaati people

 

[Bilal7]

for the last time , show me a Amla match winning ODI innings on a difficult pitch against the best ( forget best ), good pace attack .

I already did in this very thread. Two times. I don't really understand what you want?

Bilal bhai, Amla bhai can't chase 350, that's the reason I rate Kohli. AMla bhai needs AB to win matches, Kohli can play that part on his own

Kohli definitely needs Dhoni and the rest of the Indian superstar batting lineup to win games. Just like ABD needs Amla and the other South Africans to win games.

If Kohli was a South African Muslim with a beard, and Amla bhai was a Indian Hindu with tattoos, same people would have been singing different songs now.

Says the psychic who determined that Amla was a sunk ship, two years ago. )

 

[Bilal7]

The same poster who hails Anderson as the second best ODI pace bowler because of Jimmy's position on the ICC rankings, refuses to acknowledge Amla as the better batsman despite him being ranked above Kohli. Classy.

 

[Mamoon]

Not because of rankings, but because he's exceptionally good with the new ball.

I have always rated Anderson as a world class bowler irrespective of what stats/rankings say, because I trust my judgment better. Rankings and averages are for those who don't have confidence in their own analysis.

I was merely pointing out that his ranking has started to reflect his ability as well, which isn't a negative point.

Amla bhai will always sink when the going gets tough, just doesn't have the mettle. Happy to be proved wrong at the World Cup, but I expect further setbacks for the Amla bhai Association Pakistan®.

 

[Electron]

Kohli definitely needs Dhoni and the rest of the Indian superstar batting lineup to win games. Just like ABD needs Amla and the other South Africans to win games.

Amla bhai has super-star bowlers too. The fact is, the Amla bhai can only play a supporting role of going run-a-ball. Kohli on the other hand has gears to chase down 325 in 36 overs own his own. Chasing down 330 against Ajmal and company, hitting 183 when the next best score was in 60s is nosmall feat either.

Amla bhai can't do that, not in his dreams bhai.

 

[IndianWillow]

I think why more people rate Kohli over Amla (including the recent top 10 by Viv Richards) is because Kohli is more like ABD than Amla, he has many gears to his batting. Amla may be slightly better on lively tracks due to his upbringing on SA pitches, but this is not a big factor in ODIs. Kohli can very well play like Amla if he makes up his mind, but Amla cannot play the way Kohli does even if he wants, because he simply does not have the insane number of gears Kohli has. Stats and numbers don't decide everything when comparing two top players.

 

[Bilal7]

Amla bhai has super-star bowlers too. The fact is, the Amla bhai can only play a supporting role of going run-a-ball. Kohli on the other hand has gears to chase down 325 in 36 overs own his own. Chasing down 330 against Ajmal and company, hitting 183 when the next best score was in 60s is nosmall feat either.

Amla bhai can't do that, not in his dreams bhai.

And Kohli turns into a bunny at the sight of the ball moving a few millimeters and has managed to fail against top quality attacks time and time again. Has never and will never score crucial runs on pitches like the ones Amla has scored tons on and as a result, will not be rated as highly.

Let us not forget the superstars that Kohli has in his batting lineup or the fact that he plays 50-60% of his matches on the flattest decks in the entire world.

Once again, that 183 was scored on a pitch where Hafeez and Jamshed scored tons and Younis scored a half-century at a SR of 200.

 

[Electron]

And Kohli turns into a bunny at the sight of the ball moving a few millimeters and has managed to fail against top quality attacks time and time again. Has never and will never score crucial runs on pitches like the ones Amla has scored tons on and as a result, will not be rated as highly.

Let us not forget the superstars that Kohli has in his batting lineup or the fact that he plays 50-60% of his matches on the flattest decks in the entire world.

Once again, that 183 was scored on a pitch where Hafeez and Jamshed scored tons and Younis scored a half-century at a SR of 200.

Amla's scores are scored on tough pitches with great bowlers bowling?

Again, even on the flattest battas, Amla will be Amla and won't win you matches chasing 350 runs. Kohli is simply in a different league when it comes to that aspect. Amla's role in SOuth African line-up can be played by many other batsmen around the world.

But no one can replace players like ABD and Kohli.. bhai

 

[Mobashir]

Amla bhai has super-star bowlers too. The fact is, the Amla bhai can only play a supporting role of going run-a-ball. Kohli on the other hand has gears to chase down 325 in 36 overs own his own. Chasing down 330 against Ajmal and company, hitting 183 when the next best score was in 60s is nosmall feat either.

Amla bhai can't do that, not in his dreams bhai.

Amla can't do the 325 in 36 overs stufff probably.

But for the bolded part, Amla 150 in 124 in England out of a total of 287 and opposition scoring 207, with just fifty in the match is much better than Koli's effort, where Jamshed and Hafeez scored run a ball hundreds, Younis scored a 35 ball fifty.
329 in this pitch was always going to be, at best, par score. At half time in the match I predicted a pakistani loss.
"The nest best score was in the 60's". True, but only one indian batsman failed, and it was Ghambir.
Actually in the whole match Ghambir was the only batsman to fail such were the conditions. Amla 150>>Kohli 183.

 

[Electron]

Amla can't do the 325 in 36 overs stufff probably.

But for the bolded part, Amla 150 in 124 in England out of a total of 287 and opposition scoring 207, with just fifty in the match is much better than Koli's effort, where Jamshed and Hafeez scored run a ball hundreds, Younis scored a 35 ball fifty.
329 in this pitch was always going to be, at best, par score. At half time in the match I predicted a pakistani loss.
"The nest best score was in the 60's". True, but only one indian batsman failed, and it was Ghambir.
Actually in the whole match Ghambir was the only batsman to fail such were the conditions. Amla 150>>Kohli 183.

When it swings, Amla is definitely a better bet than Kohli, I wouldn't counter that.

 

[IndianWillow]

Amla can't do the 325 in 36 overs stufff probably.

But for the bolded part, Amla 150 in 124 in England out of a total of 287 and opposition scoring 207, with just fifty in the match is much better than Koli's effort, where Jamshed and Hafeez scored run a ball hundreds, Younis scored a 35 ball fifty.
329 in this pitch was always going to be, at best, par score. At half time in the match I predicted a pakistani loss.
"The nest best score was in the 60's". True, but only one indian batsman failed, and it was Ghambir.
Actually in the whole match Ghambir was the only batsman to fail such were the conditions. Amla 150>>Kohli 183.

Any one can get runs against India's minnow bowlers. Not one good ODI bowler for India that day, India won through sheer Kohli power.

 

[Bilal7]

Amla's scores are scored on tough pitches with great bowlers bowling?

Again, even on the flattest battas, Amla will be Amla and won't win you matches chasing 350 runs. Kohli is simply in a different league when it comes to that aspect. Amla's role in SOuth African line-up can be played by many other batsmen around the world.

But no one can replace players like ABD and Kohli.. bhai

Amla will win you matches on both flat tracks and tough tracks. Kohli will win you matches in superb fashion on flat tracks and fail miserably on ones that are bowler friendly. Take your pick.

That is all there is to it.

Also LOL at the part of Amla's role being played by anyone else? Which other opener is even averaging 45 these days or has played even a few innings that Amla has played consistently? It is actually Kohli that is easily expendable in a current ODI world XI with batsmen like Sanga and Kane Williamson being like for like players. ABD is also a better version of Kohli so you don't really need a batsman like Kohli when you have ABD. Amla is unique and no one matches him at the things he does.

 

[Electron]

^^Also, for the innings comparison, I don't see much wrong with what you said. Kohli would never have played an inning like Amla's.. but I will also have to say that it is highly unlikely that Amla could play an inning like Kohli's.

 

[Electron]

Amla will win you matches on both flat tracks and tough tracks. Kohli will win you matches in superb fashion on flat tracks and fail miserably on ones that are bowler friendly. Take your pick.

That is all there is to it.

He won't, even with South Africa's superb bowling lineup. Amla will be the support act, ABD is the guy who will make all the difference in such conditions.

 

[Mobashir]

Any one can get runs against India's minnow bowlers. Not one good ODI bowler for India that day, India won through sheer Kohli power.

That may work with other here, not me.
Ashwin and any left armer are good ODI bowlers in Asia. Just like HAfeez, who is a nothing bowler in reality, but does his job in ODI's.

It's all about the conditions you are playing in. The only real good fast bowler in the match was Wahab Riaz, and he went for 4 overs 50 because his pace on that pitch worked for the batsman.

Still Amla 150 >> Kohli 183.

 

[bill_123]

If Kohli was a South African Muslim with a beard, and Amla bhai was a Indian Hindu with tattoos, same people would have been singing different songs now.

Can the MODS ban such posts already...Have seen way too many from this delusional troll...either ban this poster or such posts...Every TIME

EVERY TIME this guy has to bring in his religion and his religious views into cricket

NEXT TIME this happens why dont we go ahead and make fun of kohli and all the gods he workships

IS THAT FAIR ENOUGH?

NO MATTER what the scenario he uses to bring up amla's religion or his beard it is still NOT FAIR....MODS SHOULD KEEP SUCH POSTS AWAY FROM CRICKET...CAN DELETE MY POST AS WELL...THIS ONE....BUT FIRST take a call on this troll

 

[Bilal7]

He won't, even with South Africa's superb bowling lineup. Amla will be the support act, ABD is the guy who will make all the difference in such conditions.

Where was ABD in the last ODI that South Africa played? Well, he wasn't missed is what I'll say. The one match that South Africa lost on this tour was when Amla was missing so that is quite interesting. He is their most important batsman and when he plays well, things work out almost all the time as Graeme Smith recently admitted. ABD relies on Amla's platforms just as much as Amla relies on ABD finishing. Not very different to India, where Kohli relies on Dhoni's finishing.

 

[Electron]

Where was ABD in the last ODI that South Africa played? Well, he wasn't missed is what I'll say. The one match that South Africa lost on this tour was when Amla was missing so that is quite interesting. He is their most important batsman and when he plays well, things work out almost all the time as Graeme Smith recently admitted. ABD relies on Amla's platforms just as much as Amla relies on ABD finishing. Not very different to India, where Kohli relies on Dhoni's finishing.

Amla works for South Africa because ABD can use his platform to make the real difference and great bowling can restrict the opposition for a lot cheaper than the par score.

He fits South African line-up very well, I gotta give you that. But had he played for other teams, his batting style wouldn't be enough for today's flatter decks.

 

[bill_123]

Amla works for South Africa because ABD can use his platform to make the real difference and great bowling can restrict the opposition for a lot cheaper than the par score.

He fits South African line-up very well, I gotta give you that. But had he played for other teams, his batting style wouldn't be enough for today's flatter decks.

You talk extremely highly about Kohli possessing the talent to smash everyone all over the park under pressure chasing

If he is SO GOOD why dont you ask him to score a match winning 100 be it chasing or setting up a total on a swinging pitch...Does not matter if he finishes it or not..let him just score a few...he has 20 odi 100's right...and most of the awesome stuff is on dead highways...why not show 5 or 6 on tough pitches...surely he has played enough odis in aus eng etc...oh yeah he has and shows an average of 17 for it


you are looking at it narrowly brother

you are giving WAY TOO MUCH importance to chasing on flat tracks because that IS ALL KOHLI does well...infact he is awesome there...but where is the all round game

Kohli has 1 over Amla with your scenario...he has a point....But what about every other department where amla makes him look like a hopeless talentless kid jumping up and down....please tell kohli to stand up a bit more for his team when the fitch isnt a national highway

 

[Mobashir]

Whereas chasing is concern, that's a top top knock by Amla. Much better than many of his and Kohli's hundreds.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/534232.html

 

[Electron]

You talk extremely highly about Kohli possessing the talent to smash everyone all over the park under pressure chasing

If he is SO GOOD why dont you ask him to score a match winning 100 be it chasing or setting up a total on a swinging pitch...Does not matter if he finishes it or not..let him just score a few...he has 20 odi 100's right...and most of the awesome stuff is on dead highways...why not show 5 or 6 on tough pitches...surely he has played enough odis in aus eng etc...oh yeah he has and shows an average of 17 for it


you are looking at it narrowly brother

you are giving WAY TOO MUCH importance to chasing on flat tracks because that IS ALL KOHLI does well...infact he is awesome there...but where is the all round game

Kohli has 1 over Amla with your scenario...he has a point....But what about every other department where amla makes him look like a hopeless talentless kid jumping up and down....please tell kohli to stand up a bit more for his team when the fitch isnt a national highway

You are talking as if Amla innings come on pitches that belong to a totally different world. Amloa doesn't face South African attack and is no better than Rayudu when it comes to facing AUssie attack on pitches with something in them.

Kohli at the moment tries to smash bowlers around even in tougher conditions, and that results in his downfall. If he too adopts an accumulator's approach in such conditions (Like he has done in Tests), he will be more successful. Kohli isn't much experienced when it comes to playing in these conditions, so it will come with time. 6-7 matches in these countries isn't too big a sample to judge Kohli's abilities.