Virat Kohli - The Mega Discussion

[IndianWillow]

That may work with other here, not me.
Ashwin and any left armer are good ODI bowlers in Asia. Just like HAfeez, who is a nothing bowler in reality, but does his job in ODI's.

It's all about the conditions you are playing in. The only real good fast bowler in the match was Wahab Riaz, and he went for 4 overs 50 because his pace on that pitch worked for the batsman.

Still Amla 150 >> Kohli 183.

Ashwin was in poor form during that time. In 2012, Ashwin was one of the easier Indian bowlers to tackle, even in India. The English won a test series in India primarily because Ashwin was not in form, and was outbowled by both Swann and Panesar even on our hometracks.

And so Ajmal was no force on a subcontinental pitch? And Gul is a better bowler than Riaz in ODIs. Hafeez is also a very decent bowler in Asian conditions. Pakistan bowling for that match was much superior to India's. Kohli against that Indian bowling unit (against which YK got a 35 ball 50) could have scored a triple ton, not 183!

 

[bill_123]

You are talking as if Amla innings come on pitches that belong to a totally different world. Amloa doesn't face South African attack and is no better than Rayudu when it comes to facing AUssie attack on pitches with something in them.

Kohli at the moment tries to smash bowlers around even in tougher conditions, and that results in his downfall. If he too adopts an accumulator's approach in such conditions (Like he has done in Tests), he will be more successful. Kohli isn't much experienced when it comes to playing in these conditions, so it will come with time. 6-7 matches in these countries isn't too big a sample to judge Kohli's abilities.

LOL

your hate for amla.....rayadu?

says a guy defending a batsman who averages 17 across aus and eng

ya sure amla aint that good but he is ATLEAST BETTER

no amla aint batitng on mars...but he sure aint waiting for highways EVERY MATCH

 

[Electron]

When Raina scored in England ODIs : Raina is only good on flat ODI battas.
When Amla bhai scored in England ODIs : Amla bhai plays great in tough conditions.

Kohli failing in England ODIs : Kohli is hopeless in testing conditions.
When Kohli scored in NZ/South Africa ODIs : Kohli can only score on useless ODI battas.

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"Testing conditions" is a phrase that is only used by posters to suit their own needs.

 

[Itachi]

amla >>>>> kohli. i think that was already established. though kohli >>>> abd

 

[Strike Rate]

amla >>>>> kohli. i think that was already established. though kohli >>>> abd

now this is a very interesting post need further discussion

 

[Mobashir]

Ashwin was in poor form during that time. In 2012, Ashwin was one of the easier Indian bowlers to tackle, even in India. The English won a test series in India primarily because Ashwin was not in form, and was outbowled by both Swann and Panesar even on our hometracks.

And so Ajmal was no force on a subcontinental pitch? And Gul is a better bowler than Riaz in ODIs. Hafeez is also a very decent bowler in Asian conditions. Pakistan bowling for that match was much superior to India's. Kohli against that Indian bowling unit (against which YK got a 35 ball 50) could have scored a triple ton, not 183!

Lol, Swann will outbowl Ashwin anywhere in the world with Ashwin in any form.
You lost the series, because none of your batsman was as good as KP in that series, because Swann and Anderson are brilliand bowlers. So brilliant that India don't have such a good spinner and fast bowler in your history. Not because Ashwin was out of form.
India won the first test but everything changed with that KP innings.

 

[Itachi]

When Raina scored in England ODIs : Raina is only good on flat ODI battas.
When Amla bhai scored in England ODIs : Amla bhai plays great in tough conditions.

Kohli failing in England ODIs : Kohli is hopeless in testing conditions.
When Kohli scored in NZ/South Africa ODIs : Kohli can only score on useless ODI battas.

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"Testing conditions" is a phrase that is only used by posters to suit their own needs.

you can never trust kohli while batting 1st.

 

[Strike Rate]

you can never trust kohli while batting 1st.

but they say batting 1st are easy runs and they dont count? geoff boycott grandma can score runs batting first

 

[Itachi]

Lol, Swann will outbowl Ashwin anywhere in the world with Ashwin in any form.
You lost the series, because none of your batsman was as good as KP in that series, because Swann and Anderson are brilliand bowlers. So brilliant that India don't have such a good spinner and fast bowler in your history. Not because Ashwin was out of form.
India won the first test but everything changed with that KP innings.

you are right. too bad only indians can play for india.... had BCCI followed ECBs policy, india would have been unbeatable now.

 

[Electron]

LOL

your hate for amla.....rayadu?

says a guy defending a batsman who averages 17 across aus and eng

ya sure amla aint that good but he is ATLEAST BETTER

no amla aint batitng on mars...but he sure aint waiting for highways EVERY MATCH

Kohli can't get his team to a match-winning 250 run total like Amla, because that is a luxury only Amla bhai has.

Besides, an average of 43 in Australia, England, NZ and South Africa for Kohli is fine by me.

 

[Itachi]

but they say batting 1st are easy runs and they dont count? geoff boycott grandma can score runs batting first

the world is weird. tendu said, the toughest bowler he faced was hansie cronje.... what works well for others may not work for a particular person.... and vice versa.

i have also same problem with kohli. i can work better when i have a particular goal like a deadline.... else i always get confuse what to do when if there's no time frame or pressure.

 

[Electron]

you can never trust kohli while batting 1st.

Like you can never trust Amla while chasing big.

 

[Strike Rate]

the world is weird. tendu said, the toughest bowler he faced was hansie cronje.... what works well for others may not work for a particular person.... and vice versa.

i have also same problem with kohli. i can work better when i have a particular goal like a deadline.... else i always get confuse what to do when if there's no time frame or pressure.

that's true most of the time great players come up with weird answers or have weird problems for example ABD maybe a superhuman with bat but he find Afridi hard to play while he find it really easy to play against Ajmal.

 

[Itachi]

Like you can never trust Amla while chasing big.

that's incorrect. you can trust amla while chasing big. (he is like tendu. always falls short while chasing.... that i will admit).

only in ICC tournaments, he is a failure but the sample size is too small to call him an ultimate failure.

 

[Electron]

that's incorrect. you can trust amla while chasing big. (he is like tendu. always falls short while chasing.... that i will admit).

only in ICC tournaments, he is a failure but the sample size is too small to call him an ultimate failure.

Kohli's sample size in ODIs (testing conditions) is even smaller. I think, with time he will realize that he can't bully Australian and South African attacks everywhere like he plans to do. It takes time to adapt.

 

[IndianWillow]

Lol, Swann will outbowl Ashwin anywhere in the world with Ashwin in any form.
You lost the series, because none of your batsman was as good as KP in that series, because Swann and Anderson are brilliand bowlers. So brilliant that India don't have such a good spinner and fast bowler in your history. Not because Ashwin was out of form.
India won the first test but everything changed with that KP innings.

Don't forget Ashwin averages 24 at home, that English series was an aberration - Ashwin averaged 52 in that series. If you take out that series, Ashwin averages 18 odd in India with nine five wicket hauls in 11 tests. I don't think Swann can outbowl an in form Ashwin in India. Even in that one test India won, Ashwin had match figures of 4/191, average of close to 50.

Moreover, as far as 2012 is concerned, comparing a 24 year old Ashwin in his second year of int'l cricket against a late bloomer like Swann in his 34th year and fifth year of cricket isn't exactly fair comparison.

 

[vandokkum]

All time great batsman, has a world cup hundred, that too against great Bangladesh. Away from home averages 18 against Australia, 36 against SA and 27 against England with grand total of one hundred... what a legend. Only performs under pressure and on tough pitches.

 

[IndianWillow]

All time great batsman, has a world cup hundred, that too against great Bangladesh. Away from home averages 18 against Australia, 36 against SA and 27 against England with grand total of one hundred... what a legend. Only performs under pressure and on tough pitches.

May be you did not realize that only 2 of AB's hundreds are against bowling attacks considered decent these days. 17 of AB's 19 hundreds are against ordinary bowling attacks and he does not even have to face the best bowling attack.

 

[nish_mate]

All time great batsman, has a world cup hundred, that too against great Bangladesh. Away from home averages 18 against Australia, 36 against SA and 27 against England with grand total of one hundred... what a legend. Only performs under pressure and on tough pitches.

Thats all that counts really and thats why India got 2 WC's and SA zilch- pressure you got it right my boy

 

[nish_mate]

South Africans talking about pressure is like Indians talking about fast bowlers

 

[Electron]

All time great batsman, has a world cup hundred, that too against great Bangladesh. Away from home averages 18 against Australia, 36 against SA and 27 against England with grand total of one hundred... what a legend. Only performs under pressure and on tough pitches.

Not too bad considering the small number of matches he has played. AB started his career in a very similar manner. Kiwi attack is quite fine too, don't know why you didn't include them in your stats.

 

[vandokkum]

May be you did not realize that only 2 of AB's hundreds are against bowling attacks considered decent these days. 17 of AB's 19 hundreds are against ordinary bowling attacks and he does not even have to face the best bowling attack.

yea, and all of Kohli's hundreds are against top class attacks

 

[vandokkum]

Why are great Indians talking about poor team like SA? They should be comparing themselves to Australia who have double the world cups and 1/20th of the population . Always getting defensive and bringing the "choke" tag

 

[nish_mate]

Why are great Indians talking about poor team like SA? They should be comparing themselves to Australia who have double the world cups and 1/20th of the population . Always getting defensive and bringing the "choke" tag

Because a poor South African asked for some phainty and we obliged- now go away for a month or so- as its WC and not something that should concern any South African

 

[vandokkum]

Because a poor South African asked for some phainty and we obliged- now go away for a month or so- as its WC and not something that should concern any South African

It's being played in Australia and NZ, two countries where a certain team who are known as ********* away from home have not won a single match in years, having played dozens of matches

 

[nish_mate]

It's being played in Australia and NZ, two countries where a certain team who are known as ********* away from home have not won a single match in years, having played dozens of matches

Yet got a better track record than a certain nation in WCs and pressure situations. Mate you brought up the pressure bit and that did amuse me a South African taking digs on pressure.

Put it this way with the best bowler and bat and fielding, your tourney kitty is empty since you been playing and bookies have got better odds on Bangla making it to SFs than your lot.

Now that is a sh y t e record

 

[Romali_rotti]

. Always getting defensive and bringing the "choke" tag

Its not defensive buddy, its just plain reality, your side doesnt have what it takes to win big ODI tournaments no matter how good a team you have... CHOKE_ME

 

[nish_mate]

Its not defensive buddy, its just plain reality, your side doesnt have what it takes to win big ODI tournaments no matter how good a team you have... CHOKE_ME

I believe its all about having the BALLS, but then SA's do love to zipper up their BALLS

 

[Bilal7]

You are talking as if Amla innings come on pitches that belong to a totally different world. Amloa doesn't face South African attack and is no better than Rayudu when it comes to facing AUssie attack on pitches with something in them.

Kohli at the moment tries to smash bowlers around even in tougher conditions, and that results in his downfall. If he too adopts an accumulator's approach in such conditions (Like he has done in Tests), he will be more successful. Kohli isn't much experienced when it comes to playing in these conditions, so it will come with time. 6-7 matches in these countries isn't too big a sample to judge Kohli's abilities.

Kohli needs to do some technical work with his batting. He has many times tried to take the slow approach on these pitches but it never works because he just cannot play swing.

Amla works for South Africa because ABD can use his platform to make the real difference and great bowling can restrict the opposition for a lot cheaper than the par score.

He fits South African line-up very well, I gotta give you that. But had he played for other teams, his batting style wouldn't be enough for today's flatter decks.

Amla would hop into any lineup in the world, on one leg. When you have an opener as good as him, even your mediocre middle-order players perform above their potential because a lot of pressure is relieved off their shoulders.

 

[vandokkum]

Let's just hope India don't have another glorious first round exit.... so that Kohli and dhoni's houses dont get stoned again and no stadium gets burned down.

 

[EliteCynical]

I find it interesting bookies are showing so much interest in Warner although so far his odi career was mediocre

With that mace as a bat, I think he is gonna be the batsman to watch this WC.

I also have another theory -Since he has fed off poor indian trundlers for over 3 months and all of a sudden, I think he could find it real tough before he finds his feet back again.

Similarly Indians might get some respite from the non stop barrage of Aus quicks and may actually score decently. All this in theory though!

 

[EliteCynical]

and if i lose replace kohli with shehzad for same line

So what is the bet again? and can i join?

 

[Strike Rate]

With that mace as a bat, I think he is gonna be the batsman to watch this WC.

I also have another theory -Since he has fed off poor indian trundlers for over 3 months and all of a sudden, I think he could find it real tough before he finds his feet back again.

Similarly Indians might get some respite from the non stop barrage of Aus quicks and may actually score decently. All this in theory though!

and who knows bookies wan't to earn some big money by fooling the poor guys

 

[Strike Rate]

So what is the bet again? and can i join?

there are 2 bets currently going on which one you want to join? Amla scoring more runs than Kohli in this WC or Shehzad scoring more runs than Kohli (i have taken big risks by selecting shehzad and amla so i might be taken to cleaners in the end but i love taking risks)

 

[EliteCynical]

there are 2 bets currently going on which one you want to join? Amla scoring more runs than Kohli in this WC or Shehzad scoring more runs than Kohli (i have taken big risks by selecting shehzad and amla so i might be taken to cleaners in the end but i love taking risks)

I'll go with the first one. I have nothing against amla. Great player. But I would still like to wager on Kohli to outperform amla Bhai. So what is the bet?

 

[Strike Rate]

I'll go with the first one. I have nothing against amla. Great player. But I would still like to wager on Kohli to outperform amla Bhai. So what is the bet?

You can pick avatar or signature bet its upto you. (same number of matches will count i mean if one team get out in quarters than we will count till quarters instead of semi-final)

 

[EliteCynical]

You can pick avatar or signature bet its upto you. (same number of matches will count i mean if one team get out in quarters than we will count till quarters instead of semi-final)

Ok. I take the signature bet. Please let me know and for how long is this gonna be?

 

[Strike Rate]

Ok. I take the signature bet. Please let me know and for how long is this gonna be?

1 week signature bet "X is a better ODI batsman than Y" how about this one? replace x with the player who score more runs

 

[EliteCynical]

1 week signature bet "X is a better ODI batsman than Y" how about this one? replace x with the player who score more runs

That's too easy for me. I am not that emotional reg kohli vs amla. So here is what I am proposing is
"ABC was right. X is indeed a better player than Y" ABC being the poster name. I would want the poster to get credit rather than kohli or amla. U good with this?

 

[Strike Rate]

That's too easy for me. I am not that emotional reg kohli vs amla. So here is what I am proposing is
"ABC was right. X is indeed a better player than Y" ABC being the poster name. I would want the poster to get credit rather than kohli or amla. U good with this?

sure i like the idea done!

 

[EliteCynical]

sure i like the idea done!

Great. We have a deal.

 

[Saurav]

[MENTION=132982]soso_killer[/MENTION] how did SA go today?

 

[desi_launda]

[MENTION=132982]soso_killer[/MENTION] how did SA go today?

wasnt a home patta where they can score 400 and 30 ball centuries

 

[jusarrived]

I just saw a stat , Pak have only managed to chase only 3 250+ targets of 19 since 2011 ? & we have ppers telling us batting first is difficult ?

 

[Anchorman]

So many sig bets. I've started a trend.

 

[Strike Rate]

So many sig bets. I've started a trend.

we started back in 2013 lol and we won it on Amla btw we should have a worldcup bet thread but mods will delete it probably

 

[Aman]

Sohail has Kohlis number

 

[ikram17]

we started back in 2013 lol and we won it on Amla btw we should have a worldcup bet thread but mods will delete it probably

lol bro I don't think you had much to do with that bet. It was a poster called Inziquicksingle.

 

[Strike Rate]

lol bro I don't think you had much to do with that bet. It was a poster called Inziquicksingle.

i was there too picked Amla when Itachi and Inziquicksingle started it in that thread

 

[ikram17]

okay bro

 

[IndianWillow]

[MENTION=132982]soso_killer[/MENTION] how did SA go today?

They are as ordinary as any other team without Steyn and Amla. But with those two, along with ABD, they are the best side.

 

[Anchorman]

Sohail looks so comfortable at the creas
e. Lovely shot.

 

[Anchorman]

^ Wrong thread

 

[Strike Rate]

^ Wrong thread

btw we need to open a thread about bet thing it's going to be a cool experience if mods allow

 

[soso_killer]

[MENTION=132982]soso_killer[/MENTION] how did SA go today?

Lol, we coped a good old fashioned pasting.
But I heard your lot won their 1st match in months thrashing the mighty Afghans. Congrats you must be oer the moon.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Lol, we coped a good old fashioned pasting.
But I heard your lot won their 1st match in months thrashing the mighty Afghans. Congrats you must be oer the moon.

We already tasted the WC glory twice buddy, we been there done that... Oh sorry you wouldnt know what that feels like my bad......

 

[Electron]

Kohli's 4th innings hundred in Adelaide against Australia is one of the best innings you would ever see.

-Warne

Great compliment from the magician.

 

[Electron]

Stuff of legends ! Baton has changed hands. ---->

 

[manick badsha]

22 ODI tons for legend

 

[Strike Rate]

Great. We have a deal.

report here please! Amla 333, Kohli 305

 

[Bilal7]

A repost from the other thread:

What an awful knock from Kohli. Got done in by the pace and bounce. Has a lot of weaknesses/areas to improve upon that I have noticed, such as:

- Mediocre during the first innings.
- Average against quality pace bowling.
- A bunny against the moving ball.
- Unable to handle the pressure of World Cup Knock Out matches.
- Fails in many high profile ODI series.

This time, his inability to score in the WC KO matches came to the fore. Got a perfect platform from his openers and didn't even have to face Starc but he let a billion people down.

 

[Bilal7]

report here please! Amla 333, Kohli 305

To be honest, that isn't anything to be proud of. Amla is a future ATG and should have score a lot more runs. Kohli isn't on that level and did decently if you're not one of those that overhype him.

 

[Strike Rate]

If AB was given the start by his opener like given to Kohli he wasn't going to bottle in this way that's a fact!

 

[Strike Rate]

To be honest, that isn't anything to be proud of. Amla is a future ATG and should have score a lot more runs. Kohli isn't on that level and did decently if you're not one of those that overhype him.

I am not over hyping him he need to improve and he failed big time but Kohli failed even more thats what the bet was about

 

[bill_123]

To be honest, that isn't anything to be proud of. Amla is a future ATG and should have score a lot more runs. Kohli isn't on that level and did decently if you're not one of those that overhype him.

fair point bilal...my name is bilal as well by the way lol....but amla BHAI bashers bashed him so much because they thought kohli the clutch superstar was gonna get this massive 180 odd in a ko chasing....just waiting for the tiranga club reactions

 

[Bilal7]

fair point bilal...my name is bilal as well by the way lol....but amla BHAI bashers bashed him so much because they thought kohli the clutch superstar was gonna get this massive 180 odd in a ko chasing....just waiting for the tiranga club reactions

The Amla haters are classless people and you don't need to drop down to their level, bro. Lets use this thread to talk about the overhyped Kohli and not Amla. Nice name, btw!

I am not over hyping him he need to improve and he failed big time but Kohli failed even more thats what the bet was about

I wasn't talking about you, bro. I was talking about chauvinistic Indian PP'ers like [MENTION=134240]Electron[/MENTION] who is nowhere to be seen since that Kohli dismissal.

It is a game guys, lets not take the failures of others onto our hearts.

 

[bill_123]

The Amla haters are classless people and you don't need to drop down to their level, bro. Lets use this thread to talk about the overhyped Kohli and not Amla. Nice name, btw!



I wasn't talking about you, bro. I was talking about chauvinistic Indian PP'ers like [MENTION=134240]Electron[/MENTION] who is nowhere to be seen since that Kohli dismissal.

It is a game guys, lets not take the failures of others onto our hearts.

fair points bro

agreed

i do know end of the day its a game and both amla and kohli fans will be dissapointed because we wanted them to do well respectively but it was not to be...but life moves on as ab says...you looks for another tournament....another series...

 

[Strike Rate]

I wasn't talking about you, bro. I was talking about chauvinistic Indian PP'ers like [MENTION=134240]Electron[/MENTION] who is nowhere to be seen since that Kohli dismissal.

It is a game guys, lets not take the failures of others onto our hearts.

Agree with you 100% i remember even 1 failure by Amla here is celebrated for months and those same people go missing when their hero fails people need to realize not every player is perfect and we need to enjoy it as a game instead of waiting for 1 failure to start the bashing campaign.

 

[manick badsha]

Finally something to cheer for pakis

 

[Hawkeye]

Kohli is a batsman I love watching.

But have to agree, he has been a disappointment at the big stage. Had a mediocre ICC tournament.

And absolute failure in knockouts.

 

[bill_123]

Agree with you 100% i remember even 1 failure by Amla here is celebrated for months and those same people go missing when their hero fails people need to realize not every player is perfect and we need to enjoy it as a game instead of waiting for 1 failure to start the bashing campaign.

this is what i do not like about pp these days

i swear i have seen amla being bashed for a failure against minnows as well...that troll electron is prolly the worst and today he is nowhere to be seen...even i do not like bashing a player every match...kohli has failed and honestly so what...for now he hasnt performed but in future he may do it...but no some of them tiranga club members were so insecure they wasted no opportunity to bash amla and now they r getting it back...and yes they now want to bring in champions trophy, wt20, ipl etc etc in a ICC CRICKET WORLD CUP DISCUSSION to big up kohli

 

[Strike Rate]

this is what i do not like about pp these days

i swear i have seen amla being bashed for a failure against minnows as well...that troll electron is prolly the worst and today he is nowhere to be seen...even i do not like bashing a player every match...kohli has failed and honestly so what...for now he hasnt performed but in future he may do it...but no some of them tiranga club members were so insecure they wasted no opportunity to bash amla and now they r getting it back...and yes they now want to bring in champions trophy, wt20, ipl etc etc in a ICC CRICKET WORLD CUP DISCUSSION to big up kohli

Agree with you if Amla fail against Zimbo it's a sin but if Kohli against Bangla and that too in a KO match it's ok some people are really

 

[EliteCynical]

report here please! Amla 333, Kohli 305

I checked this before the game and was praying this guy scores but alas. I'll change my signature tomorrow.

 

[Smbhayi]

At last a good day for Amla brigades...

 

[Strike Rate]

i checked this before the game and was praying this guy scores but alas. I'll change my signature tomorrow.

:d

 

[EliteCynical]

:d

You win. Have updated my signature. although even Amla performed poorly, but a bet is a bet IMO.

 

[Strike Rate]

You win. Have updated my signature. although even Amla performed poorly, but a bet is a bet IMO.

i lost a bet too check my Sig
[MENTION=137238]Anchorman[/MENTION] bro done check it

 

[Strike Rate]

Deal.

Report here please we had a sig bet

 

[Anchorman]

i lost a bet too check my Sig
[MENTION=137238]Anchorman[/MENTION] bro done check it

Brilliant. You won two bets and lost one. I would say you had a better WC than Amla and Kohli.

 

[Strike Rate]

Brilliant. You won two bets and lost one. I would say you had a better WC than Amla and Kohli.

lol i love to take big risks thats why i lost one on shehzad if i had played safe i was going to win 3 because you skipped Amla vs Kohli