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I think he has what it takes.. to be amongst the best... he just has to do it now...
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
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You can ignore Aussies, because he said he will see them in India. :P
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
I know....

I have high expectations of Kohli.

He is the sort of cricketer I like.
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He will defo improve , I am just so :facepalm: to see the averages of some very good players of pakistan under the same qualification. Abdul razzaq is pretty good though..
 
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Easily one of the best, and a definite contender for the best but not the unquestioned best. I still think Mohammad Asif is the best talent this part of the world has produced in decades.
 
Kohli is pure class in ODIs.

Still has to prove himself in Tests but he's got the game to do it I think
 
A good batsman, but let's not get carried away. Is yet to play that defining Test innings. In fact, he's yet to play an innings of the quality of Umar Akmal's debut ton. Until then, the jury is out.

Excellent ODI batsman, though.
 
Easa said:
A good batsman, but let's not get carried away. Is yet to play that defining Test innings. In fact, he's yet to play an innings of the quality of Umar Akmal's debut ton. Until then, the jury is out.

Excellent ODI batsman, though.
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Virat made a 100 in AUS which was more meaningful than a century against an ordinary NZ team.
 
virat is a very talented batsmen, i think umar is in the same class too he just needs an opportunity up the order to prove himself
 
I think we can stop with the comparisons of Umar and Kohli. 2 years ago we said Umar was better than Kohli, last year we said Kohli is better but Umar is more talented. But I personally have seen enough of both batsman to conclude Kohli as being easily more talented.
 
MMHS said:
Don't know about talent, but Virat has the best temperament. I think, from PAK Umar & Shehzad can match him stroke by stroke, but Virat is groomed by a great batting coach at NCA Bangalore (notoriously tough for his unmindful students, believing in make or break, no half measures) in his early teens & has developed into very good batting habits, like conversion of starts & make the fielding side get you out. On contrary, Umar is trained by novices who think, either you drop youngsters to learn from club level domestic games or put him in pads isolated at a corner so that they don't repeat the same mistake.

Then comes the mentor, SRT/Rahul vs..........

Umar & Shehzad are lucky than Nazir that, at least, better late than never, they have got someone as batting coach, who knows a few things more than arranging nets. I told it early several times & stick to that, if anyone breaks SRT's ODI hundred record, first person 'll be Virat. I am a fan of the boy & like his attitude. He 'll be a tremendous Captain.
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and yet some Pakistani fans are against Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad and would drop them instead of YK and Misbah. :facepalm:
 
Gambhir, Dilshan and MSD may not be bad choice if they had done well in Aus. and England, but they have still achieved more than Virat. The thing is Virat debuted in 2008 only, he just has his much expected form at the moment.
 
Since 2000 and records UNDER THE AGE OF 25.... in the toughest locations excluding drawn matches.


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you mean batting talent???

overall Mohammad Aamer was the best talent that was produced since 2000
 
Umar Akmal is as talented as Kohli but the difference is pretty evident to everyone.
 
Best ODI talent. Yet to be seen if he can perform in Tests. He got better on the tour of Australia, but there are very few living batsmen who AREN'T capable of scoring a hundred at Adelaide.
 
Michael Hussey says "hello!" and is good in all three formats:).

Virat Kohli is talented, too:19:!
 
^^^^ For all your cricinfo analysis (though pretty useful) it's amazing you left out West Indies.

Pre-2000, West Indies was one the toughest place to score runs in Tests.

And West Indies should should still be in the ODI camparisons, as it's still a tough place to score runs in West Indies, especially with their slow and sticky wickets. You won't find many 300 plus scores in West Indies.

Gotta say very disrespectful not to include West Indies, as it's probably tougher in West Indies than New Zealand.

West Indies pitches are not the same as sub-continent pitches, and some of their pitches like in Barbados are very bouncy and maintain good pace.
 
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Green Leopard said:
^^^^ For all your cricinfo analysis (though pretty useful) it's amazing you left out West Indies.

Pre-2000, West Indies was one the toughest place to score runs in Tests.

And West Indies should should still be in the ODI camparisons, as it's still a tough place to score runs in West Indies, especially with their slow and sticky wickets. You won't find many 300 plus scores in West Indies.

Gotta say very disrespectful not to include West Indies, as it's probably tougher in West Indies than New Zealand.

West Indies pitches are not the same as sub-continent pitches, and some of their pitches like in Barbados are very bouncy and maintain good pace.
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WI is difficult due to the huge change pre and post the great attacks.

WI was more the bowlers than the conditions. (generally speaking)
 
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Kohli is an amazing talent for sure.

But I still rate Aamir and Asif as the best talents since 2000
 
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lol anyone saying Kohli is not a force in ODIs and better than U Akmal (even talent wise) is delusional. Said that... he has yet to prove himself in Tests!
 
Statsman said:
This is actually nitpicking.

To prove, in these "toughest" conditions you have just mentioned one of the all time ODI greats Saeed Anwar averaged a measly 21.24 with a highest of 77 over 43 matches.
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Its a fact. Not nitpicking.


It actually shows you that people improve as they gain experience.

Why we should be applauding the success that Umar Akmal has had so far at the age of 21.
 
Anfield said:
lol anyone saying Kohli is not a force in ODIs and better than U Akmal (even talent wise) is delusional. Said that... he has yet to prove himself in Tests!
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I dont think anyone is saying that. At least I hope not.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Its a fact. Not nitpicking.


It actually shows you that people improve as they gain experience.

Why we should be applauding the success that Umar Akmal has had so far at the age of 21.
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After following Rohit and Kohli ( from IPL days onwards ) , i use to think Rohit is the most talented out of all young players,
but end result is totally different now , kohli is well established and i dont know where rohit will end up. :|

Sometime talent alone wont work , and its the same case with akmal too , from whatever i had seen he plays far too many shots even in the middle overs ( barring one last game )..
probably i think akmal is taking his place for granted
 
Azhar is a better batsman than Kohli. Kohli is still a newbie in the true form of the game.
 
velu said:
After following Rohit and Kohli ( from IPL days onwards ) , i use to think Rohit is the most talented out of all young players,
but end result is totally different now , kohli is well established and i dont know where rohit will end up. :|

Sometime talent alone wont work , and its the same case with akmal too , from whatever i had seen he plays far too many shots even in the middle overs ( barring one last game )..
probably i think akmal is taking his place for granted
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I totally agree that talent alone means nothing...

Talented players come and go...

However when you find real talent it is a waste if it goes unfulfilled.

Especially when a country doesn't have many talented batsmen.

What does "taking place for granted mean"?

It's hard work improving as a batsmen, made harder in an unstable environment.

He needs to improve in the side.
 
Kohli is answering the challenges laid out for him.

Akmal is clearly not

I would argue that the challenges that Akmal has faced have been far greater and therefore it is not a surprise that he has not been as successful.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
I totally agree that talent alone means nothing...

Talented players come and go...

However when you find real talent it is a waste if it goes unfulfilled.

Especially when a country doesn't have many talented batsmen.

What does "taking place for granted mean"?

It's hard work improving as a batsmen, made harder in an unstable environment.

He needs to improve in the side.
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Kohli was not an automatic selection in ODIs even in the world cup odi team,
so he was desperate to perform to retain his place in the team..

but akmal was an automatic choice in both ODIs as well as in tests and probably he might have taken his place in the team without any competition ..
i am not sure how far the news is true about umar akmal refusing to play in case kamran was not picked ,
but if that is true he needs to change his mentality
 
velu said:
Kohli was not an automatic selection in ODIs even in the world cup odi team,
so he was desperate to perform to retain his place in the team..

but akmal was an automatic choice in both ODIs as well as in tests and probably he might have taken his place in the team without any competition ..
i am not sure how far the news is true about umar akmal refusing to play in case kamran was not picked ,
but if that is true he needs to change his mentality
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Like I said. Kohli has been managed well and has played 80% of games in easy conditions batting in a sensible position.

That has had more impact than anything else.

I agree that kohli has shown better temperament than Akmal so far.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Like I said. Kohli has been managed well and has played 80% of games in easy conditions batting in a sensible position.

That has had more impact than anything else.

I agree that kohli has shown better temperament than Akmal so far.
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Easy conditions or not, Umar Akmal shows no hint of setting up shop at the crease for the long haul.

Forget Kohli, it's the success of Chandimal in tough conditions in England, South Africa, and Australia that has been impressive. A very limited player but know his game and gets maximum out of it.

Despite Akmal's shortcoming in temperament, he is still got an impressive average and strike rate playing at no. 6! and remember he is still only 21.

I still rate Akmal ahead of Kohli and Chandimal, but Kohli and Chandimal have raced ahead in terms of deliverance. Akmal needs to find his niche in the team (not number 6, wasted there despite his success).

I would seriously open with Akmal.
 
Green Leopard said:
Easy conditions or not, Umar Akmal shows no hint of setting up shop at the crease for the long haul.

Forget Kohli, it's the success of Chandimal in tough conditions in England, South Africa, and Australia that has been impressive. A very limited player but know his game and gets maximum out of it.

Despite Akmal's shortcoming in temperament, he is still got an impressive average and strike rate playing at no. 6! and remember he is still only 21.

I still rate Akmal ahead of Kohli and Chandimal, but Kohli and Chandimal have raced ahead in terms of deliverance. Akmal needs to find his niche in the team (not number 6, wasted there despite his success).

I would seriously open with Akmal.
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I wouldn't disagree with that.

Not 100% convinced with the opening but wouldn't oppose it.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Like I said. Kohli has been managed well and has played 80% of games in easy conditions batting in a sensible position.

That has had more impact than anything else.

I agree that kohli has shown better temperament than Akmal so far.
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Kohli made his debut in SL in 2008 as an opener in the 'Mendis' series (India were depleted in Batting), Gambhir got injured after that match, Kohli did very well against Kulasekara and Vaas against the moving ball in low scoring games.
SRT,Sehwag and Gambhir have missed more than half of the Odi matches India played, Parthiv Patel failed replacing them, Kohli hasn't had it 'easy' , touring all countries except NZ, how did you get '80%' and 'Easy' I don't know.

Chandimal in Asia avg. 13.5

Not a good player of spin?
 
well kohli is in the form of his life right now. but there will be a phase when he will flop. wont be able to score a run. wait for the vultures then. so many smartasses here kick the dog when its down.
i for one hope kohli maintains his scoring and gets support from youngsters like rohit sharma, suresh raina(baring his technically shortcomings, mentally and attitudewise one of the best cricketer india has) and rahane.
 
leatherface58 said:
well kohli is in the form of his life right now. but there will be a phase when he will flop. wont be able to score a run. wait for the vultures then. so many smartasses here kick the dog when its down.
i for one hope kohli maintains his scoring and gets support from youngsters like rohit sharma, suresh raina(baring his technically shortcomings, mentally and attitudewise one of the best cricketer india has) and rahane.
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true that, the bolded part. We're seeing that happening to Umar right now.
 
Glad to see Gollum in PP btw, you didn't show up when Gandalf was active? :P
 
Lethalweapon said:
Kohli made his debut in SL in 2008 as an opener in the 'Mendis' series (India were depleted in Batting), Gambhir got injured after that match, Kohli did very well against Kulasekara and Vaas against the moving ball in low scoring games.
SRT,Sehwag and Gambhir have missed more than half of the Odi matches India played, Parthiv Patel failed replacing them, Kohli hasn't had it 'easy' , touring all countries except NZ, how did you get '80%' and 'Easy' I don't know.

Chandimal in Asia avg. 13.5

Not a good player of spin?
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I highly rate Kohli.

One of my favourite players.

Doesn't change the fact that he has constantly played in sub continent and even when outside it's against Sri Lanka.

In my mind his biggest strength is his mental strength so I think he will succeed overseas
 
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Glad to see Gollum in PP btw, you didn't show up when Gandalf was active? :P
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Gollum's been busy with his job placement (the precious) at college. And just the last few presentations and then exams left. After that, the doors of mordor (naukri) open. :P

Gandalf aate jaate rehte hain, Gollum's going no where! :wahab
 
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How good is Kohli?

Is he among the top batsmen in the world already?

2 scintillating knocks against Lanka on a bouncy pitch and 1 against Pak in subcontinent slow pitch...

Looks like there is Kohli and Day Light flollowed by Rohit/Raina/Akmal...

Discuss!!!
 
Kohli might just go down as the greatest odi batsman of alltime. Kid is just so clutch
 
Brilliant innings today.

Looks a real talent.
 
he is good player... but not that good.... but today we have made him God in India, Another ordinary/good player turn into legend just because he scored 100 (or more than 100) against us
 
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7 hundreds while Chasing

5 Hundreds while chasing 270 +

and all are wins..

He is that Good !!!!
 
best ODI batsman right now!

This innings was even better than Hobart. Pure class this guy
 
Umar Akmal can only dream to play an innings like Kohli did today, atleast not in this lifetime
 
best ODI batsman right now!

This innings was even better than Hobart. Pure class this guy
 
Was hoping I'd come on PakPassion to find more threads like this. TBH there wasn't any we could have done differently (minus Riaz) it was just an absolute masterclass by Kohli today.

Future great!
 
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