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Virat Kohli vs Sachin Tendulkar in ODIs - Who is the best?

Bilal7 said:
Those are exceptions rather than the rule. A team not scoring 300 is the exception, not the rule in India.
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It all comes down to the form/conditions in a given series. Shikar hackwan with all his dodgy technique had a sterling championship Trophy in England. Would you rate him above Kohli purely on that? Inspite of all that Kohli averages 38 in England. If you purely go by record in ENgland against top sides. you know who are the best. Dhawan/Azharuddin averaging 70 plus against top teams. Two of the worst against moving balls. Forgot to add Ravindra jadeja averages 88 lol Ajay jadeja averages 60.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rby=runs;team=6;template=results;type=batting
 
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Haz95 said:
Going by some poster's logic, David Warner is a flat track bully and performing in SA means he's simply a flat track bully who can play a bit of bounce. On the other hand, the highness Kohli who also performed in those tracks is an absolute monster who obliterates all forms of lateral movement to the extent even the Don himself would be embarrassed to be mentioned with him.

Also going by some posters' logic that Kohli hasn't been presented the opportunities(even tho he has and has been unconvincing) therefore he's the greatest batmsan ever and Sachin is merely a newt in front of him...Oh yeah, Barry Richards is the ultimate greatest batsman ever because hypothetically, he could've done amazing in tests overall....alas however.
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Use your brain Warner is brought up playing on bouncier pitches whilst scoring in SA is good , it's a bigger achievement for a subcontinent player as they aren't brought up on such pitches.

Sachin is the better test batsmen, in LO it's close with Sachin being ahead for now. But if Kohli can improve his World Cup record, he'll surpass Sachin LO format.
 
Bilal7 said:
That's a fair post. I think he's improved too but it remains ti be seen how much.

Bashing Sri Lanka is one thing, taking on Starc is another.
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It was his 1st tour to Australia btw.

He's never had a chance over a series to face current Starc which is a shame for cricket. Hopefully we get a contest between the 2 in the champions trophy or a future World Cup.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
It all comes down to the form/conditions in a given series. Shikar hackwan with all his dodgy technique had a sterling championship Trophy in England. Would you rate him above Kohli purely on that? Inspite of all that Kohli averages 38 in England. If you purely go by record in ENgland against top sides. you know who are the best. Dhawan/Azharuddin averaging 70 plus against top teams. Two of the worst against moving balls. Forgot to add Ravindra jadeja averages 88 lol Ajay jadeja averages 60.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rby=runs;team=6;template=results;type=batting
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Which is why we're looking at their records in Australia, England and South Africa against the home bowling attack, which knows how to utilize the conditions.
 
Hasan123 said:
It was his 1st tour to Australia btw.

He's never had a chance over a series to face current Starc which is a shame for cricket. Hopefully we get a contest between the 2 in the champions trophy or a future World Cup.
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Probably in IPL in the nets they played against each other :) I am sure he faced him a lot there. IPL has reduced the surprised element in a big way.
 
Hasan123 said:
It was his 1st tour to Australia btw.

He's never had a chance over a series to face current Starc which is a shame for cricket. Hopefully we get a contest between the 2 in the champions trophy or a future World Cup.
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I agree. Starc vs Kohli would be a great contest. They'll get to play each other in India later on, but the contest will be heavily skewed to one side.
 
Bilal7 said:
Which is why we're looking at their records in Australia, England and South Africa against the home bowling attack, which knows how to utilize the conditions.
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Filter after filter after filter.. which month, which year, whether it was cloudy or not. If i remember right Anderson has dismissed Tendulkar more than any other batsman. He is a fantastic batsman on true wickets. In moving conditions Dravid is always superior to Tendulkar. I never recall anytime Tendulkar dominating in moving conditions.
 
Tendulkar's weakness was always inswing, incutters anytime the ball move off the seam he had issues. Damien Fleming, Hansie Cronje, Gavin Larsen, Pedro Collins some of the random bowlers troubled him. You probably recall his famous "squat" after getting bowled suggesting ball keeping low. He did have issues with those deliveries.
 
Bilal7 said:
I agree. Starc vs Kohli would be a great contest. They'll get to play each other in India later on, but the contest will be heavily skewed to one side.
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That will be in tests, I would prefer to see it in Odis. Doubt the Indian pitches are going to favour Starc. Furthermore if there is any reverse swing, if Kohlis batting he'll more than likely be set so he'll have a slight advantage .

Eagerly awaiting this battle.
 
Hasan123 said:
Use your brain Warner is brought up playing on bouncier pitches whilst scoring in SA is good , it's a bigger achievement for a subcontinent player as they aren't brought up on such pitches.

Sachin is the better test batsmen, in LO it's close with Sachin being ahead for now. But if Kohli can improve his World Cup record, he'll surpass Sachin LO format.
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Lolwut? The heck you onabout :))

If Virat performs in a rank turner at home, will I downplay his acheivements? No lol. It show's he's a good player of spin. What I think you're trying to say is that people find conditions they're used to easier. However that's completely irrelevant...You accused Warner of being a FTB which is complete bullsh.. And since when is South Africa only bouncy? SA has probably the most [seam] movement bar England...there's a reason why Vernon Philander is an absolute monster in SA. Once again, it seems you're emulating PPs resident cry baby...

And bolded bit is simply not true. Virat on top of performing in WCs, I will say again for the 100000th time, Virat must also be able to actually play in sporting tracks and/or great bowlerss...maybe even dominate because that is something the ATGs like Viv and Sachin (and even Dhoni) were capable of. Let that sink, use your brain and stop letting your hormones for Virat get the better of you.

I will say however, I do think if anyone is capable, it's Kohli. But that doesn't mean he is because he HASN'T!
 
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Haz95 said:
Lolwut? The heck you onabout :))

If Virat performs in a rank turner at home, will I downplay his acheivements? No lol. It show's he's a good player of spin. What I think you're trying to say is that people find conditions they're used to easier. However that's completely irrelevant...You accused Warner of being a FTB which is complete bullsh.. And since when is South Africa only bouncy? SA has probably the most [seam] movement bar England...there's a reason why Vernon Philander is an absolute monster in SA. Once again, it seems you're emulating PPs resident cry baby...

And bolded bit is simply not true. Virat on top of performing in WCs, I will say again for the 100000th time, Virat must also be able to actually play in sporting tracks and/or great bowlerss...maybe even dominate because that is something the ATGs like Viv and Sachin (and even Dhoni) were capable of. Let that sink, use your brain and stop letting your hormones for Virat get the better of you.

I will say however, I do think if anyone is capable, it's Kohli. But that doesn't mean he is because he HASN'T!
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Yes there is seam movement in South Africa but it is more like Australian conditions than any other country something which Australian players have said.

The problem is as mentioned above he doesn't get a chance to play on sporting tracks as teams are producing flat pitches, and also there are innings where Virat has scored on difficult wickets. It's 50-50, he's failed on sporting tracks and scored on some but he isn't getting enough chances
 
Players during Sachin's era were in a different league compared to those today. Pitches then were also hard to score runs off. Kohli wouldn't have lasted 10 balls against McGrath, Warne, Donald, Walsh, Murali etc. Also bats today make it a lot easier to score runs. Just like how football boots make it a lot easier to score goals.
 
Energetic said:
Players during Sachin's era were in a different league compared to those today. Pitches then were also hard to score runs off. Kohli wouldn't have lasted 10 balls against McGrath, Warne, Donald, Walsh, Murali etc. Also bats today make it a lot easier to score runs. Just like how football boots make it a lot easier to score goals.
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pitches and bowlers are easier for everyone.. Why is no one else is able to replicate what Kohli is doing in T20/ ODIs?
 
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Kohli has a competition for number 3 bat in Viv..

Sach as an opener has no peer in ODI.

That should count for something..
 
Energetic said:
Players during Sachin's era were in a different league compared to those today. Pitches then were also hard to score runs off. Kohli wouldn't have lasted 10 balls against McGrath, Warne, Donald, Walsh, Murali etc. Also bats today make it a lot easier to score runs. Just like how football boots make it a lot easier to score goals.
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Murali was not really a force in the 90s. As far as Warne goes i am yet to see an Indian who struggled against him. Wasim Jaffer,Azharuddin, Sidhu, Laxman, Kambli pretty much every Indian player did well against him. How about Tendulkar vs Ajmal/Narine in comparison with Kohli vs them?
 
Anyone still think batting first or opening, against the new ball, is a piece of cake?
 
Joseph Gomes said:
What impact? India's top order batting average from 1994-2012 was 38.38.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=4;batting_positionmin1=1;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=2;filter=advanced;groupby=overall;orderby=batting_average;spanmax1=15+May+2012;spanmin1=05+Jan+1994;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

Tendulkar's was 47.04. Difference of 9 (I counted from 1994 to be fair with tendulkar, otherwise it would be worse for him)

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?batting_positionmax1=4;batting_positionmin1=1;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=default;spanmin1=5+Jan+1994;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

India's top order batting average from 2008-2017 was 42.45. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=4;batting_positionmin1=1;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=2;filter=advanced;groupby=overall;orderby=runs;spanmin1=05+Jan+2008;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

Kohli's average is 54.40. Difference of over 12 http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/253802.html?batting_positionmax1=4;batting_positionmin1=1;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=default;template=results;type=batting

As for man of the match awards, Shakib Al Hasan has the same amount as Glenn Mcgrath. So Shakib = Mcgrath? How many matches have Tendulkar played against the associates like Kenya and Namibia? I am amazed how people factor how people say Kohli benefits from flat tracks yet forget tendulkar bullying associates
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Are Shakib and McGrath playing the same role? Never knew McGrath was known as an all rounder!!
And compare the rate at which players win those awards. Thats pretty simple indisputable fact for the impact of a player. Plz learn to compare apples and apples!!

As for avgs. again you are jumping at petty little avgs. with very selective filters. Put the avg of entire Indian batting line up in those years and you would know. Just putting very special stats to make your point seem to be your speciality and that also doesnt provide us with an irrefutable proof of any thing.

BTW Virat Avgs. 53.4 not 54.4 ... So (an avg. obsessed person shouldn't make that mistake). So difference is 9 and 11. And as for comparisons you are pretty much overlapping about 4 years of Sachin and Kohli stats.

and please don't start some more colorful filters. These stats mean jack because as i said avgs comparison dont mean much. You are comparing a 20 year career with an 8 year career. Longevity is something no one ever managed that Tendulkar had.

As for your awesome filter:
47/38 = 1.24 ; 53/42 = 1.26
You should compare ratios, 90/80 and 40/30 are vastly different!!

PS: I have notever made any point regarding flat tracks!! My point is simply the value addition to the team.
Sachin was simply by far the more valuable player in the team and for a far far longer time than any player in the history of cricket.
 
Haz95 said:
Lolwut? The heck you onabout :))

If Virat performs in a rank turner at home, will I downplay his acheivements? No lol. It show's he's a good player of spin. What I think you're trying to say is that people find conditions they're used to easier. However that's completely irrelevant...You accused Warner of being a FTB which is complete bullsh.. And since when is South Africa only bouncy? SA has probably the most [seam] movement bar England...there's a reason why Vernon Philander is an absolute monster in SA. Once again, it seems you're emulating PPs resident cry baby...

And bolded bit is simply not true. Virat on top of performing in WCs, I will say again for the 100000th time, Virat must also be able to actually play in sporting tracks and/or great bowlerss...maybe even dominate because that is something the ATGs like Viv and Sachin (and even Dhoni) were capable of. Let that sink, use your brain and stop letting your hormones for Virat get the better of you.

I will say however, I do think if anyone is capable, it's Kohli. But that doesn't mean he is because he HASN'T!
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People took our posts so personally in this thread, but we've been proven correct yet again; there is simply no need to glorify Kohli as a GOAT when he has not proved it enough in demanding situations. Now I know this the modern era but the instances where you are presented with a challenge you need to prove yourself and stand up, but Kohli just hasn't done that enough. He struggled with Amir's movement big time today.
 
shaz619 said:
People took our posts so personally in this thread, but we've been proven correct yet again; there is simply no need to glorify Kohli as a GOAT when he has not proved it enough in demanding situations. Now I know this the modern era but the instances where you are presented with a challenge you need to prove yourself and stand up, but Kohli just hasn't done that enough. He struggled with Amir's movement big time today.
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A shame really...somehow this guy is gonna dethrone Viv and already has dethroned Sachin lol. The hormone surge for Kohli is tremendous on PP.
 
Sachin flopped in both world cup finals but did well in semis/ quarter finals, Kohli has to score in world cup knockouts or he will go down as a choker
 
Sachin would have required much better quality bowling to get dismissed twice in an over.
 
Tendulkar failed in both WC finals he played so nothing has changed. Kohli is still a better ODI batsman.
 
Kohli has to up his game in finals. He averages 20 odd in the 8 tournament finals he has played so far. SRT may have flopped in the two WC Finals but has some iconic innings in finals against really strong bowling attacks (Desert Storm, CB Series etc)

What made both Viv and SRT the greatest and the second greatest ODI batsmen in history are their records in ODI Finals. I do believe that Kohli should surpass both, but I won't be so quick to say he is the best yet.
 
Why is this thread being bumped? Tendulkar failed in all WC finals. Kohli was brilliant in this CT and took India to finals with three unbeaten 50s.
 
Haz95 said:
A shame really...somehow this guy is gonna dethrone Viv and already has dethroned Sachin lol. The hormone surge for Kohli is tremendous on PP.
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Very true, if the ball does even a little bit he is a sitting duck; Tendulkar wasn't as inept when it came to handling such bowling, it is laughable to advocate Kohli's greatness.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Why is this thread being bumped? Tendulkar failed in all WC finals. Kohli was brilliant in this CT and took India to finals with three unbeaten 50s.
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Is this a joke? You speak about Sachin failing in World Cup finals and then bring up Kohli helping his team in reaching the finals of the recent CT? :)))

How many World Cup finals did Sachin played?
 
Kohli. He is second only to Viv as things stand, and needs one dominating World Cup to surpass him.
 
Hitman said:
Is this a joke? You speak about Sachin failing in World Cup finals and then bring up Kohli helping his team in reaching the finals of the recent CT? :)))

How many World Cup finals did Sachin played?
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More than Kohli, and he didn't do anything.
 
No matter how many times people say it, it still doesn't change the fact that Kohli is a failure in important knockout games. To be the best, one must be nigh flawless...

Kohlis Flaws:
-Chokes in Finals
-Is merely decent in setting scores
-Struggles vs quality bowling in ODIs, I guess the him being good in T20 philosphy doesn't really work for me anymore

Kohli and AB de Villiers are the 2 best ODI batsmen of this generation and both are also ATG for me. However are they Viv, Sachin or even Ponting level?....You can answer that yourself.
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Very true, if the ball does even a little bit he is a sitting duck; Tendulkar wasn't as inept when it came to handling such bowling, it is laughable to advocate Kohli's greatness.
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He still has opportunities.... so to his fan boys, don't lose hope. 2019 WC will be the most important part of his international career, he should be in his absolute peak as a batsman so he must do something absolutely brilliant...
 
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Joseph Gomes said:
More than Kohli, and he didn't do anything.
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My main point was about you bringing up Sachin's failure in the 2 WC finals he played, and then mentioning a tournament trying to big up Kohli where he himself failed in the final.
 
Hitman said:
My main point was about you bringing up Sachin's failure in the 2 WC finals he played, and then mentioning a tournament trying to big up Kohli where he himself failed in the final.
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The problem with Sachin was that in the latter half of his career, he became a semi Amla-esque batsman in the form of a world class accumulator. He lost some of the dynamic ability which made him such a monster in the 90s (which in itself is a very commendable feat).

If such had not happened, Sachin would've been the absolute greatest. I guess if he did well in a final, that too could've changed fortunes wrt to Sach vs Viv.
 
Both are great players. I normally don't care of these comparisons. Different eras, Sachin started his cricket in 1989. 210 in 50 overs was considered a winning score during that time. Different playing conditions, different bowlers etc. Lets just say that Virat Kohli will be an ATG in ODI's like Sachin Was.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Kohli needs 1 good world cup and he'll be ahead of Tendulkar. Until then, Tendulkar is better
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Basically this. 1 prolific run scoring 50 over WC and he will become the 2nd greatest odi batsmen of all-time.
 
However, to surpass Viv, he need to play a prolific inning in a WC knockout and win his team a match there. Remember, he has already choked in WC 2015 semis and CT 2017 final. He doesn't have that one great inning in knockouts.

I
 
Sachin quite easily still

Kohli hasn't scored half a LOI runs of sachin yet and he's almost 30
 
Kohli has to win a wc with his batting/captaincy to create the aura of an atg. At the moment, he seems to me like a run machine still not proven on the 'racetrack' of worldcup. For the skill he posesses he needs to select the right team and not pick favorites and he should win India one 50 wc and 1 t20 wc, two of his strongest formats . It might look too much to ask but then he is good at those. As for tests, he should stop stupid selections, he has a better test team than limited overs one right now.
 
Viv
Kohli
Sachin

Top three ODI batsmen in history at this point.
 
Ab Fan said:
However, to surpass Viv, he need to play a prolific inning in a WC knockout and win his team a match there. Remember, he has already choked in WC 2015 semis and CT 2017 final. He doesn't have that one great inning in knockouts.

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Ponting, Dhoni, Clive Lloyd, Arjun Ranatunga and Viv Richard scored in World cup final that what makes these cricketers great.

Yes Kohli has failed in all knock out matches of WCs so he needs to perform in one important match of a World Cup to be the GOAT.
 
shah_1 said:
Ponting, Dhoni, Clive Lloyd, Arjun Ranatunga and Viv Richard scored in World cup final that what makes these cricketers great.

Yes Kohli has failed in all knock out matches of WCs so he needs to perform in one important match of a World Cup to be the GOAT.
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de Silva instead of Ranatunga
 
Can't compare two players from different eras.

But for OP's sake:

SRT (9.5) > VK (8.5) in Tests. [Bradman (10)]
VK (9.5) > SRT (9.1) in ODIs. [Viv (10)]
 
Protea Fan said:
Sachin quite easily still

Kohli hasn't scored half a LOI runs of sachin yet and he's almost 30
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Actually he has, since LOIs includes T20Is.

And even in ODIs, if you look at runs per innings, Kohli comes out far ahead. I still think Sachin was better, but runs aren't a good metric because Sachin played 260 more matches.
 
There would be no Kohli if there was no Sachin. There would be no Sachin if there was no Viv Richards. There would be no Viv Richards if there was no Bradman. Mankind evolves with time and the newest generation is always a step ahead mentally after having seen, learnt from and being motivated by their childhood superstars. Most under 19 players today play better than what professionals played in the 19th century. It's just how things are. You have to be the best in your era and that's all that matters. Cross era comparisons are useless and irrelevant. Virat is a great batsman, Sachin was amazing back in the day, Sunny G was a giant in his era. Respect all.

As a wise and fair gentleman i refuse to participate in cross era comparisons and listing ATG XIs etc.

Hope it helps.

Your,
Bhaijaan.
 
Sachin was sublime and majestic to watch when in the zone, However I rate Kohli higher as I think he is less naturally gifted than Sachin and his performances are the result of extreme hard work and dedication.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
There would be no Kohli if there was no Sachin. There would be no Sachin if there was no Viv Richards. There would be no Viv Richards if there was no Bradman. Mankind evolves with time and the newest generation is always a step ahead mentally after having seen, learnt from and being motivated by their childhood superstars. Most under 19 players today play better than what professionals played in the 19th century. It's just how things are. You have to be the best in your era and that's all that matters. Cross era comparisons are useless and irrelevant. Virat is a great batsman, Sachin was amazing back in the day, Sunny G was a giant in his era. Respect all.

As a wise and fair gentleman i refuse to participate in cross era comparisons and listing ATG XIs etc.

Hope it helps.

Your,
Bhaijaan.
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Would there have been a Bradman if there was no WG Grace?
 
Tendulkar defined Indian cricket.

Kohli has a long way to go before he eclipses Tendulkar's achievements. He will definitely be the greatest LOI batsman of all time by the time he retires though.
 
To compare batsmen one must also compare their partners. Weaker partners means more burden on the player to carry the team.
 
No one can ever come close to Sachin.. Pakistanis or neutrals would never realise what Sachin did he was the only ray of hope in an entire country which had no hope not just in cricket but as a country as whole.. Kohli might get better records and might be rated the better batsmen of the two by experts however he can never come close to Sachin, no one ever can..

50 years from now when the generation of Sachin is extinct then Kohli will probably overtake Sachin.. However till our generation is alive no one can come close to Sachin.

Period.
 
Virat kohli needs world cup performances,once he has that in 2019 and 2023 he will surpass sachin and viv as the GOAT ODI player of all time.This I say as tendulkar's greatest fan.Tendulkar has a different meaning to 90s generation,he's the first superhero of our childhood.The first one India saw on television when tv sets started becoming common in indian households.He singlehandedly kept indian pride aloft in a decade of very poor indian cricket standards.Take away tendu from 90s squads and we would be today's bangladesh level squad.
 
Sachin is well ahead due to his world cup heroics and that special knock against Pak at Centurion
 
Sachin in World Cup Semi Finals :

65 during 1996 WC
83 during 2003 WC
85 during 2011 WC

Kohli in World Cup Semi Finals :

9 during 2011 WC
1 during 2015 WC
1 during 2019 WC
 
Not a Sachin fan by any means but it's an insult to mention him and Kohli in the same sentence. Sachin is LEAGUES ahead.
 
It has to be still Sachin. Kohli should throw away his captaincy and do a bit more in world cup knock outs
in the coming world cups.His other credentials are with out doubt great.
 
Proactive_ said:
Not a Sachin fan by any means but it's an insult to mention him and Kohli in the same sentence. Sachin is LEAGUES ahead.
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I admit this mistake, I think it was a joke for me to even incite this comparison; but this was motivated by the expert peer reviews on PP where Kohli is often rated as the best thing since sliced bread
 
never in my mind had I any doubt w.r.t this despite so many fans chest thumping about Kohli's chasing record, Kohli's very high avg:, Kohli century/inns rate etc etc until and unless he improves his record in world cups better. Here in this cup he has improved his over all record considerably but he still needs to do a bit more in knock outs.By this time he would have realized a lot of crucial facts, I feel. For a start it would be soo better of him to shrug of the burden of captaincy from his shoulders in both formats. To be the complete authority of a team having such large number of emotional fans to go with the most difficult department batting being your strong point in a game decided lot by 'luck' factor is way too much to handle. And you are doing it in all formats!!!
 
Sachin is a true GOAT. At 23, he dominated a WC like no one could at that age. He did it again at 31 and then once again at 39(2nd leading run-scorer).

Virat is an ATG cricketer only till now.
 
PP just never ceases to amaze me. I often find myself flipping to the other side of the debate after a period of time just because of the extremes that most people on here hold their opinion too. There's no middle.

So, the one guy who is the undisputed cricketer of the last decade or two is being piled on for "failing" in a few innings.

Kohli has shown plenty of mettle in tough conditions and siutations before. Just some tough luck that he hasn't been able to dominate an ODI WC (dominated quite a few T20 WCs) like the way he'd like to. With the next one being in home conditions, pretty sure that can be HIS WC.

Also, imo, he's easily the best ODI batsman ever.
 
A measure of Virat Kohli's greatness in ODIs:

Sachin Tendulkar
451 innings to reach 49 hundreds
Average 44.83
Strike-rate 86.23

Virat Kohli
277 innings to reach 49 hundreds
Average 58.48
Strike-rate 93.55
 
Slowest century in World Cup while batting first.
Virat kohli - 119 balls
Ramiz Raja - 117 balls
Sachin Tendulkar - 115 balls
Rahul Dravid - 113 balls
 
heddie19 said:
Slowest century in World Cup while batting first.
Virat kohli - 119 balls
Ramiz Raja - 117 balls
Sachin Tendulkar - 115 balls
Rahul Dravid - 113 balls
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Kohli and Sachin played on tricky pitches. I bet other batsmen would have taken 200 balls to score 100.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Kohli and Sachin played on tricky pitches. I bet other batsmen would have taken 200 balls to score 100.
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You'd lose such bet 200 times out of 200. It is the same Pitch where Rohit and Jadeja played at 150 SR. Even Kohli wasn't this slow before he started targetting his milestone.
 
heddie19 said:
You'd lose such bet 200 times out of 200. It is the same Pitch where Rohit and Jadeja played at 150 SR. Even Kohli wasn't this slow before he started targetting his milestone.
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Rohit got out for 40 and Jadeja made 39.

If Kohli had gone for SR and gotten out for 50, India wouldn't have scored 300 and SA will have been chasing 260-270.

This is why Kohli is one the greatest, his batting adapts to the situation.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Rohit got out for 40 and Jadeja made 39.

If Kohli had gone for SR and gotten out, India wouldn't score 300 and SA will have been chasing 260-270.

This is why Kohli is one the greatest, his batting adapts to the situation.
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It doesn't look like SA would have chased even 150 against India's bowling. It might look like an overstatement now, but this Indian team's is on par with Aussies of '03 and '07. It will be a huge upset if they fail to win this WC.
 
heddie19 said:
It doesn't look like SA would have chased even 150 against India's bowling. It might look like an overstatement now, but this Indian team's is on par with Aussies of '03 and '07. It will be a huge upset if they fail to win this WC.
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Winning the WC needs a fair amount of luck too. You play one bad match or one bad phase and you lose.

Else NZ would have been champions in 2019 and not England.
 
heddie19 said:
You'd lose such bet 200 times out of 200. It is the same Pitch where Rohit and Jadeja played at 150 SR. Even Kohli wasn't this slow before he started targetting his milestone.
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No, you are wrong. This pitch is not easy in the middle, and the par score is 260. Kohli and Iyer did exactly what India needed to win this match against South Africa's quality attack.
 
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