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West Indies v Pakistan | 2nd Test | Bridgetown, Barbados | Apr 30-May 4, 2017 | Day 1

Shadab is too raw to be part of a 4 man attack this has been a poor selection.he is 2 yewrs away from test cricket.
 
Xoib said:
Shadab is too raw to be part of a 4 man attack this has been a poor selection.he is 2 yewrs away from test cricket.
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Relax - we were after Yasir in the first innings of the 1st Test as well.
 
There will always be a reward for good Yorker bowling across all 3 formats of cricket.

Very nice by Amir
 
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Amir biggest improvement in this series has been the length the Hazelwood length was never going to reward him much
 
shaz619 said:
What do we have here :yk

An Amir fann boy :yk2
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The haters can at least try and be smart enough not to talk smack when he's by far the best bowler on display :misbah

It's ok man - I know you need a bit of time, and in a couple of years you will also see how good Amir really is....just like you did with Roman :inzi
 
Abbas and Amir both bowling very well here!

Pressure on both end for the batsmen!
 
Abbas is quality..


A big round of applause for PP experts who were crucifying him after one match.
 
I think we may have missed a trick here - Abbas and Amir were both bowling well and Misbah should have let them have a go at batsmen and apply pressure from both ends.

Go on Messi - prove me wrong :yasir
 
Syed1 said:
Abbas is quality..


A big round of applause for PP experts who were crucifying him after one match.
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They want to see wahab 90 mph thunderbolts disappear into the boundary like in no time.
 
No wonder Shah has back problems, next time he bowls don't look at the batsman, the ball or his arm, just look at his back. The way it is twisting at an uncomfortable angle it is bound to get hurt if you repeat the motion again and again. If Shah has to prolong his career he may have to modify his action to be more front on to reduce the twisting of his back.
 
Chase and Dowrich are the best batsmen in this Windies side, me thinks. They have the most grit and temperament to guts it out.
 
TalhaSyed said:
The haters can at least try and be smart enough not to talk smack when he's by far the best bowler on display :misbah

It's ok man - I know you need a bit of time, and in a couple of years you will also see how good Amir really is....just like you did with Roman :inzi
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Who is dumb enough to assume there are Amir haters, he is the best pacer in Pakistan :akhtar
 
This Abbas guy is extremely unlucky -he started FC career good 8+ years back & finally got his call at this age, when he should be in decline of his physical capacity. He has been constantly taking bag full of wickets every domestic season & I can see why - he is one of the best to test batsmen around off stick & then nip it back off the seem. He is operating at around 125km now - a year with the National set up, he can take it to 130+, but, by then he'll be 31-33 ......... This guy could have been a fantastic Test bowler, had he been travelling with PAK team 6-7 years back, after Amir & Asif was banned. 5-10 KM faster in pace, in physically much better shape & at least twice the cunning bowler after bowling against International batsmen. Fast bowling is learned by lots of mentoring & this guy was denied that at his best age.
 
shaz619 said:
Nice one, I missed that wicket; the GOAT still catching the cricket ball as if it's a football :yk3
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Luckily he doesn't know the rules otherwise he might have tried volleying it into row Z.
 
MMHS said:
This Abbas guy is extremely unlucky -he started FC career good 8+ years back & finally got his call at this age, when he should be in decline of his physical capacity. He has been constantly taking bag full of wickets every domestic season & I can see why - he is one of the best to test batsmen around off stick & then nip it back off the seem. He is operating at around 125km now - a year with the National set up, he can take it to 130+, but, by then he'll be 31-33 ......... This guy could have been a fantastic Test bowler, had he been travelling with PAK team 6-7 years back, after Amir & Asif was banned. 5-10 KM faster in pace, in physically much better shape & at least twice the cunning bowler after bowling against International batsmen. Fast bowling is learned by lots of mentoring & this guy was denied that at his best age.
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Actually he only started wickets by the truckload in the last two three domestic seasons, wasn't all that before that.. But I agree age is definitely not on his side. Even if we had taken him to Australia he would have had more impact than Rahat, Imran and Wahab.
 
MMHS said:
This Abbas guy is extremely unlucky -he started FC career good 8+ years back & finally got his call at this age, when he should be in decline of his physical capacity. He has been constantly taking bag full of wickets every domestic season & I can see why - he is one of the best to test batsmen around off stick & then nip it back off the seem. He is operating at around 125km now - a year with the National set up, he can take it to 130+, but, by then he'll be 31-33 ......... This guy could have been a fantastic Test bowler, had he been travelling with PAK team 6-7 years back, after Amir & Asif was banned. 5-10 KM faster in pace, in physically much better shape & at least twice the cunning bowler after bowling against International batsmen. Fast bowling is learned by lots of mentoring & this guy was denied that at his best age.
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This is the story of so many talented players rotting in domestic cricket. Selectors and these yes men captains use excuses that 'we've no talent' blah blah to keep TTFs in the side while talented youngsters are ignored and left struggling in domestic cricket where there's no place for growth or development.
 
Reading the WI fan reactions and they are livid.

One fan has a thread titled "Malcolm Marshall must be turning in his grave" after seeing this gift-wrapped pitch for Pakistan.

Feel for them.
 
YK has a Catch/Test of 1.15; which is absolutely remarkable for a PAK fielders who plays most of their career on dead slow & low wickets, where 60%+ wickets are taken by now catch dismissals.

Best I think was RB Simpson - 111 in 62, but he had 75% of his catches in AUS, where average Catch/Test is around 75%. Both Chappel brothers are remarkably identical - Ian 105 (75 Test) & Greg 122 (87).

Best 2 all-round slip fielders I have seen probably are Ian Botham & Mark Waugh. YK is indeed at the top, top tier.
 
Markhor said:
Reading the WI fan reactions and they are livid.

One fan has a thread titled "Malcolm Marshall must be turning in his grave" after seeing this gift-wrapped pitch for Pakistan.

Feel for them.
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If you're talking about the boys over in the rum shop then they are always livid about one thing or another, make PP match threads when Pakistan haven't taken a wicket for three overs seem calm and reserved :))
 
MMHS said:
This Abbas guy is extremely unlucky -he started FC career good 8+ years back & finally got his call at this age, when he should be in decline of his physical capacity. He has been constantly taking bag full of wickets every domestic season & I can see why - he is one of the best to test batsmen around off stick & then nip it back off the seem. He is operating at around 125km now - a year with the National set up, he can take it to 130+, but, by then he'll be 31-33 ......... This guy could have been a fantastic Test bowler, had he been travelling with PAK team 6-7 years back, after Amir & Asif was banned. 5-10 KM faster in pace, in physically much better shape & at least twice the cunning bowler after bowling against International batsmen. Fast bowling is learned by lots of mentoring & this guy was denied that at his best age.
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Abbas took 'bucketload of wickets' in last 2 seasons.
Actually he is a bit lucky in a sense that he got a chance in national side after just 2 years of domestic performances. There are quite a few others who have given performances for 5 years consecutively but never got a chance. Abbas also got lucky that Hasan was injured in the 1st test otherwise Hasan would have played these 2 matches.
 
Syed1 said:
Actually he only started wickets by the truckload in the last two three domestic seasons, wasn't all that before that.. But I agree age is definitely not on his side. Even if we had taken him to Australia he would have had more impact than Rahat, Imran and Wahab.
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He was injured in his early career, frequently in & out - but last 3/4 season he is taking wickets almost at <20/<45 stats, & more importantly, among very few PAK pacers who are taking wickets with new ball. Even a call in 2015, could have made him a fantastic bowler in UK & NZ last winter.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Abbas took 'bucketload of wickets' in last 2 seasons.
Actually he is a bit lucky in a sense that he got a chance in national side after just 2 years of domestic performances. There are quite a few others who have given performances for 5 years consecutively but never got a chance. Abbas also got lucky that Hasan was injured in the 1st test otherwise Hasan would have played these 2 matches.
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He is picking wickets for last 3 seasons consistently, because he is playing more matches for better fitness. 250 wickets in 58 FC matches doesn't happen in only 2 seasons.

You have to focus on my last line - one can't pick fast bowlers from stat only. This guy has every tool to be a very good fast medium bowler, which can be noticed from fast few looks - only what he needed was visionary selectors & Captain to see the potential.
 
Abbas is good , begs the question how good is sadaf hussain? Has taken truckload of wickets for 5 years , wasnt that successful in previous two seasons.
 
Roston Chase is worth persisting with at 5 given WI's lack of proven middle-order batsmen.

There is one proven middle-order West Indian batsman who plays at #5 but alas, he's in Lancashire now.
 
MMHS said:
He is picking wickets for last 3 seasons consistently, because he is playing more matches for better fitness. 250 wickets in 58 FC matches doesn't happen in only 2 seasons.

You have to focus on my last line - one can't pick fast bowlers from stat only. This guy has every tool to be a very good fast medium bowler, which can be noticed from fast few looks - only what he needed was visionary selectors & Captain to see the potential.
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sadaf hussain has 311 wickets in 66 matches , with probably the best strike rate and average in pakistan domestic.
 
Abbass is the real deal. Shame on selectors for persisting with trundlers Rahat and Imran.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Abbas is good , begs the question how good is sadaf hussain? Has taken truckload of wickets for 5 years , wasnt that successful in previous two seasons.
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Sadaf should have been given chance at least 5 years back, when he has FC stats like early 1900s era. Besides, he is probably 6'4". Unfortunately guy is now around same age of Abbas (Officially 3 months older, unofficially also should be similar) with inferior fitness & stamina. I guess, his time is over
 
Big Mac said:
He just bowled a couple of jaffas in that last over and you want to take him out of the attack?
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also got hit for 2 fours, and getting hit for at least 1 four every over
he's out of the attack now, shouldn't risk bowling him for long spells when he is not fully fit
 
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Perfectly executed plan, but Chase was up to the challenge, well played drive.
 
MMHS said:
He is picking wickets for last 3 seasons consistently, because he is playing more matches for better fitness. 250 wickets in 58 FC matches doesn't happen in only 2 seasons.

You have to focus on my last line - one can't pick fast bowlers from stat only. This guy has every tool to be a very good fast medium bowler, which can be noticed from fast few looks - only what he needed was visionary selectors & Captain to see the potential.
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Yeah he is a fine bowler, not that bad and will be good on swing/seam conditions. I just wanted to say that he is topping the charts for last 2 seasons.
He plays for KRL and has competition with good fast bowlers and even selection in KRL itself is difficult.

And there is no such thing as visionary selectors in Pakistan. All they see is stats.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Yeah he is a fine bowler, not that bad and will be good on swing/seam conditions. I just wanted to say that he is topping the charts for last 2 seasons.
He plays for KRL and has competition with good fast bowlers and even selection in KRL itself is difficult.

And there is no such thing as visionary selectors in Pakistan. All they see is stats.
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That is incorrect, if they had seen stats then Abbas and Sadaf would have debuted long ago.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Yeah he is a fine bowler, not that bad and will be good on swing/seam conditions. I just wanted to say that he is topping the charts for last 2 seasons.
He plays for KRL and has competition with good fast bowlers and even selection in KRL itself is difficult.

And there is no such thing as visionary selectors in Pakistan. All they see is stats.
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He deserved at least couple of test Matches .
 
JibranAnsari said:
Abbas is good , begs the question how good is sadaf hussain? Has taken truckload of wickets for 5 years , wasnt that successful in previous two seasons.
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The problem with Pakistani first class stats is the conditions are weighted heavily in favour of seam bowlers, it's why expansive stroke players rarely top the averages ahead of accumulators and it's why medium pace trundlers always top the list of leading wicket takers.

You need to be able to separate the numbers from whether the bowler is international standard.

I don't think I've seen Sadaf bowl so I'm not saying whether he is or isn't good enough but you can't look at the numbers and assume he's good enough for test cricket.
 
Syed1 said:
That is incorrect, if they had seen stats then Abbas and Sadaf would have debuted long ago.
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They do look at stats. Unfortunately, they read the players' ages as their batting average and end up selecting the oldest ones. :zulfiqarb
 
JibranAnsari said:
sadaf hussain has 311 wickets in 66 matches , with probably the best strike rate and average in pakistan domestic.
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Unless Imarn's scouting strategy comes back, I don't see PAK producing tear away fast bowlers, not even skillful fast-medium bowlers. Fast bowling is only area of cricket, which you can't cover your lack of strength/stamina with skills & experience.

Historically, fast bowlers reach to peak speed in between 23-25 years of biological age (provided that, they are groomed into proper system by 18/19), while fast bowlers reach their most productive age at around 29 - may be couple of years either side of 29 makes the most productive 5 years of their career. Shoaib reached his pick at official 25/26 around 2000-2002 period, because you never know how fast he could have been with proper guidance in 1997-98. Zahid was fastest at official 20-21. Only PAK fast bowler, that reached his pick at 29 & around was Khan, because he grew about 2 inches from 5'11" to 6'+ from his official age of 18 in that 1971 UK tour to his return at 23 in 1975. Aqib Javed probably lost one inch from his debut at 16 to retirement at 29!!!!!!!!! If that "official age" isn't factored in scouting, don't think things will improve.
 
Justcrazy said:
The selection process is a joke. They have no idea which players to be played in which format.
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I forgot to mention Yasir as well - he Test debuted at official 28/29 with 270+ FC wickets at ~25 after 14 !!!!!!!!! years of FC debut (debuted at 14 :() - that too, because of Ajmal's ban, he got his chance against AUS in OCT 2014.
 
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