What is more likely to happen: A Muslim becoming the Indian Prime Minister or a Dalit claiming the same post?

[Justcrazy]

Its very surprising that you are even asking this question in the age of internet. The answer is very simple. Organizations that resort to using violence against civilians to further their objectives. In the case of Islamic terror groups they openly associate themselves to Islamic teachings and claim to be fighting for protecting Islamic interests.

Examples: AQ, Taliban, ISIS, JeM, LET etc etc. why ? They resort to everything from suicide bombings to beheading, to taking hostages etc.




Except that if you claim your religion to be extremely peaceful the expectation is that the outcome of such teachings should reflect in the actions of the followers over many many centuries. I gave you the perfect example of Jainism. You cannot claim that your religion is extremely peaceful when there are literally dozens of Islamic terror groups operating openly and also claim to be pious followers of Islam.​

I am not talking about acts of random individuals. I am talking about well known Organizations who are openly about violence as a means to further their objective and have been officially designated as such by prominent countries around the world and ofcourse the UN and other world organizations.

So LTTE , Bajrang Daal , Babaar Khalsa all also fall under that definition ?

Someone claiming something does not make it a fact , today if I claim to be God , will I be accepted as one. May be it is my shallow knowledge , but I would like you to show me where exactly Islam promotes killing of civilians ?

Islam believes in and its core teaching is peace , but it does not mean it is a weak religion. Islam believes in violence to restore peace. That is how every society runs. As I had mentioned in above comments , Islam is the only religion which has a living jurisprudence , no ambiguity in its teachings. The fundamentals are in white and black , not grey.

Individuals are part of ideology of organisations. There are several Leaders of those organisation that encourage such incidents , but no where I have blamed Hinduism for that.

 

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So LTTE , Bajrang Daal , Babaar Khalsa all also fall under that definition ?

LTTE and Babbar Khalsa yes, Bajrang Dal would be a hardline organization but nowhere near as dangerous and lethal as the Islamic ones. Note: LTTE is not a religious ideology driven militant organization.

Someone claiming something does not make it a fact , today if I claim to be God , will I be accepted as one. May be it is my shallow knowledge , but I would like you to show me where exactly Islam promotes killing of civilians ?

Islam believes in and its core teaching is peace , but it does not mean it is a weak religion. Islam believes in violence to restore peace. That is how every society runs. As I had mentioned in above comments , Islam is the only religion which has a living jurisprudence , no ambiguity in its teachings. The fundamentals are in white and black , not grey.

Individuals are part of ideology of organisations. There are several Leaders of those organisation that encourage such incidents , but no where I have blamed Hinduism for that.

When there are just dozens and dozens of such organizations and most importantly the number of horrific mass murders that they have carried out is soo staggering and for centuries ... then there is no other choice but to come to the conclusion that there is no concept of peace in Islam for non-muslims. I can show you entire countries being ruined due to this. Greatest example from modern times is Lebanon which has now been systematically radicalized and ruined due to Islamic radicals with the Christians driven away by Muslims. And to think as recently as the 60s and 70s Lebanon was a thriving christian majority country !!!


You cannot just say that sooo many organizations across so many countries and across so many decades have ALL completely missed the underlying message of peace as you claim. Just makes no logical sense whatsover.​

Conversely tell me why there is not a single violent episode that we can attribute to Jainism. Now thats a TRULY Peaceful religion by words and deeds when compared to all other major religions including hinduism.

Sorry but what you are saying just simply does not compute at all.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am talking about Muslim immigrants and citizens living in Europe today. And if the Christians are so evil why go live in the devils neighborhood In the first place? Also don't forget your past posts elsewhere on this forum where you gloat about how great the western culture is and superior it is and word's to that effect.

I didn't say Christians were evil, I was trying to show you that it is not only Muslims who are violent or a problem as compared to every other community - which was your assertion.

Neither have I ever called their lands the devil's neighbourhoods, yes I am a fan of the superior western culture in many respects.

This is all strawman rubbish. One of the reasons no one bothers engaging with you, because you will start deflecting and jumping to different subjects without getting an answer on one point at a time. Then you start honking about people running away when in reality they just don't have time to waste on hysterical zealots.

 

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I didn't say Christians were evil, I was trying to show you that it is not only Muslims who are violent or a problem as compared to every other community - which was your assertion.

but why other religions don't have any conflicts with Christians? Also none of the Wars that you mentioned are religious conflicts they are Geo-political conflicts.

Neither have I ever called their lands the devil's neighbourhoods, yes I am a fan of the superior western culture in many respects.

So why are only Muslims in conflict with Christians in Europe ?

This is all strawman rubbish. One of the reasons no one bothers engaging with you, because you will start deflecting and jumping to different subjects without getting an answer on one point at a time. Then you start honking about people running away when in reality they just don't have time to waste on hysterical zealots.

everything that I have said is factually correct and is a direct response to your post#60. You not liking these facts is perhaps the reason for your outrage.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

but why other religions don't have any conflicts with Christians? Also none of the Wars that you mentioned are religious conflicts they are Geo-political conflicts.




So why are only Muslims in conflict with Christians in Europe ?



everything that I have said is factually correct and is a direct response to your post#60. You not liking these facts is perhaps the reason for your outrage.

Well just for clarification, why the christians butchered Jews enroute to Palestine eastern Europe?

Or may be you know history better than us all.

 

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Well just for clarification, why the christians butchered Jews enroute to Palestine eastern Europe?

Or may be you know history better than us all.

You are referring to WW-II ?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

You are referring to WW-II ?

Crusades

 

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Crusades

We are talking about modern times.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

but why other religions don't have any conflicts with Christians? Also none of the Wars that you mentioned are religious conflicts they are Geo-political conflicts.




So why are only Muslims in conflict with Christians in Europe ?



everything that I have said is factually correct and is a direct response to your post#60. You not liking these facts is perhaps the reason for your outrage.

All of the conflicts are geo-political otherwise Muslims don't have any religious conflicts with anybody. Why would they have? You are making blanket statements like this without any examples other than videos of some sole incident somewhere which is not proof of endemic religious conflict. Then you are using silly words like outrage to disguise your own rage when I calmly point out your fallacious arguments.

 

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All of the conflicts are geo-political otherwise Muslims don't have any religious conflicts with anybody.

Since when did the Conflicts between Muslims and Christians in France, Belgium, Netherlands etc etc become Geo-Political ?


here is a random example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks

Does that look like Geo-Political to you ?

Next ... Poland banning Muslim immigrants is a result of Geo-Political conflict ?

Next ... Netherlands voting Geert Wilders is a result of Geo-Political conflict ?

I could go on and on and on.... but let me know exactly how many incidents you need before you will accept that this is a religious conflict

Yeah go ahead lets see your supposedly calm facts without resorting to personal accusations.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Since when did the Conflicts between Muslims and Christians in France, Belgium, Netherlands etc etc become Geo-Political ?


here is a random example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks

Does that look like Geo-Political to you ?

Next ... Poland banning Muslim immigrants is a result of Geo-Political conflict ?

Next ... Netherlands voting Geert Wilders is a result of Geo-Political conflict ?

I could go on and on and on.... but let me know exactly how many incidents you need before you will accept that this is a religious conflict

Yeah go ahead lets see your supposedly calm facts without resorting to personal accusations.

The random example you gave was of a terrorist attack, this is like saying all Irish or Basque separatists are representative of the Irish or Spanish population. This is typical of your reasoning. By that logic Hindus elected as their leader, someone who was widely accepted outside of India to be culpable of mass slaughter of thousands of Muslims. Does this mean all Hindus are bloodthirsty mass murderers?

Poland and Geert Wilders not liking Muslim immigrants does not mean Muslims have done anything wrong by the way, so citing this is just another dumb argument. They don't like Indian immigrants either, especially illegal ones. Please make one point at a time instead of using your usual scattergun approach where you send useless rhetoric flying in all directions.

 

[HalBass9]

Talk to me directly instead of this indirect ranting and rambling.

Have you answered why your fellow animals are not amenable to simple concepts like respect for others belief when it has been conveyed in no uncertain terms that such behavior is not acceptable ?

provide a direct answer as to why you claim to be on the right side of this discussion when the fact is that you are batting for rogue animals who have absolutely no moral or ethical considerations towards Hindu beliefs.

Go on lets see how you justify that.

Animals?

No! I can talk to whomever I wish to. This isn't Hindutva supremacy where youd threaten slaughter me

 

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The random example you gave was of a terrorist attack, this is like saying all Irish or Basque separatists are representative of the Irish or Spanish population. This is typical of your reasoning.

The random example was in the context of you claiming that these conflicts are Geo-Political conflicts. So do you still claim that the Paris attack is a Geo-Political conflict?. And also I did say that I can provide more examples of such religious conflicts.

By that logic Hindus elected as their leader, someone who was widely accepted outside of India to be culpable of mass slaughter of thousands of Muslims. Does this mean all Hindus are bloodthirsty mass murderers?

We have discussed this many times in the past. In the last one you made a ridiculous claim that all judges that ruled on the case to exonerate Modi were Hindutva judges. This is like saying all judges in Western countries are Right wing Christians

Poland and Geert Wilders not liking Muslim immigrants does not mean Muslims have done anything wrong by the way,

Really ? responsible western countries single out one community for no good reason ?

here is that clip again of the Polish polish MP saying that they will not take one single Muslim refugee because he promised that to his citizens and his party was elected based on that election promise. As decisive and official as it can get. The same is true for Netherlands


Polish MP Explaining why they don't take Muslim refugees

They don't like Indian immigrants either, especially illegal ones. Please make one point at a time

Is there a blanket ban on any other religious community such as Hindu,Jewish,Buddhist,etc refugees in Poland ?
We are discussing one single point ( Which is that Ambedkar's description of Islam wherein he states there is only contempt for Non-Muslims and you said that this is true for all religions without providing any facts to back that up )

instead of using your usual scattergun approach where you send useless rhetoric flying in all directions.

so citing this is just another dumb argument.

Did you just say you respond calmly ? took exactly one post to expose that lie.

 

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Animals?

Yes. Do you have any doubts ? Now is the time to ask for clarifications. If not then answer why your fellow animals are not amenable to simple concepts like respect for others belief when it has been conveyed in no uncertain terms that such behavior is not acceptable in 2024?

No! I can talk to whomever I wish to.

Yes just dont make assumptions and project your nonsensical accusations on me. And never forget to use the correct terminology - Animals ( not humans ). My views that you are upset about are for animals only. not humans.

This isn't Hindutva supremacy where youd threaten slaughter me

Iam well aware that this is radical Islamic jihadi supremacy which does worse.

 

[HalBass9]

Yes. Do you have any doubts ? Now is the time to ask for clarifications. If not then answer why your fellow animals are not amenable to simple concepts like respect for others belief when it has been conveyed in no uncertain terms that such behavior is not acceptable in 2024?




Yes just dont make assumptions and project your nonsensical accusations on me. And never forget to use the correct terminology - Animals ( not humans ). My views that you are upset about are for animals only. not humans.




Iam well aware that this is radical Islamic jihadi supremacy which does worse.

Brother, you seem desperate for everyone’s approval to justify the massacre of over 200 Indians, disguising it as a ‘last resort.’ In 2024, no one with even a shred of humanity would support such a stance. If you’re looking for that kind of approval, you might want to reach out to the Hindutva headquarters, also known as the Prime Minister’s Office of India.

The only person behaving like an animal here is you, advocating for the slaughter of your fellow countrymen simply because your fragile feelings were hurt.

 

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Brother, you seem desperate for everyone’s approval to justify the massacre of over 200 Indians Animals, disguising it as a ‘last resort.’ In 2024, no one with even a shred of humanity would support such a stance. If you’re looking for that kind of approval, you might want to reach out to the Hindutva headquarters, also known as the Prime Minister’s Office of India.The only person behaving like an animal here is you, advocating for the slaughter of your fellow countrymen simply because your fragile feelings were hurt.

Thats because in 2024 the expectation is that people behave like humans not animals. So it is YOU who are batting for animals. So keep digging.

and I am very well aware that I cannot shame those who do not understand the concept of shame. Unrealistic to expect animals to understand that concept.

 

[iPakistani]

This fascination with castes... wow India is so backwards.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The random example was in the context of you claiming that these conflicts are Geo-Political conflicts. So do you still claim that the Paris attack is a Geo-Political conflict?. And also I did say that I can provide more examples of such religious conflicts.




We have discussed this many times in the past. In the last one you made a ridiculous claim that all judges that ruled on the case to exonerate Modi were Hindutva judges. This is like saying all judges in Western countries are Right wing Christians




Really ? responsible western countries single out one community for no good reason ?

here is that clip again of the Polish polish MP saying that they will not take one single Muslim refugee because he promised that to his citizens and his party was elected based on that election promise. As decisive and official as it can get. The same is true for Netherlands


Polish MP Explaining why they don't take Muslim refugees





Is there a blanket ban on any other religious community such as Hindu,Jewish,Buddhist,etc refugees in Poland ?
We are discussing one single point ( Which is that Ambedkar's description of Islam wherein he states there is only contempt for Non-Muslims and you said that this is true for all religions without providing any facts to back that up )









Did you just say you respond calmly ? took exactly one post to expose that lie.

In all that gibberish the best you could do is come up with Muslims must be terrible because the Polish don't like them. Did it occur to you that just being a white European country does not make them automatically right? They don't like Indian immigrants either, in Australia they used to have gangs roaming the locales looking for Indians to beat up called Dotbusters.

I am not even sure what point you are trying to make. Is it anything to do with the topic?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Bharat has always been a land where diversity has not just been celebrated but enshrined in its very ethos. Alleging that a Muslim or Dalit cannot become Prime Minister is both misleading and dismissive of Bharat’s inclusive history.

This is the same country where Dr. B.R. Ambedkar, a Dalit, not only shaped the Indian Constitution but became one of the most revered leaders in history.

It’s the land where Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam, a Muslim, rose from humble beginnings to become the President, winning hearts across communities.

Leaders from marginalized communities, like K.R. Narayanan, a Dalit, have held the highest office of President, while Muslims like Zakir Husain and Fakhruddin Ali Ahmed have also led the nation in the same capacity.

Bharat’s democracy empowers its citizens to rise to any position, regardless of caste, creed, or religion. It’s a meritocracy where leadership is shaped by the people’s will. Every citizen has the constitutional right to dream and achieve, supported by a system that values talent and hard work.

The idea that someone’s religion or caste is a barrier to becoming Prime Minister undermines the very principles of equality and opportunity that Bharat stands for. Instead of fueling divisive narratives, the world should recognize and celebrate the countless examples of Bharat nurturing its diversity and empowering its people to rise to the top.

 

[FearlessRoar]

PM should sack Amit Shah by midnight if he respects Ambedkar: Mallikarjun Kharge​

Congress chief Mallikarjun Kharge on Wednesday criticised Union Home Minister Amit Shah's remarks on Dr BR Ambedkar in the Rajya Sabha and demanded that Prime Minister Narendra Modi should sack him from the Union Cabinet by midnight if he had faith in the Dalit icon.

Addressing a press conference, Kharge demanded Shah's apology for his remarks and said people would hit the streets if PM Modi had not sacked the Union Home Minister from the Union Cabinet.

"Our demand is that Amit Shah should apologise and if PM Modi has faith in Dr Babasaheb Ambedkar, he should be sacked by midnight. He has no right to remain in the cabinet. He should be sacked and only then will people remain silent, otherwise, people will protest. People are ready to sacrifice their lives for Dr BR Ambedkar," he said.

Accusing the BJP of insulting the Constitution, Kharge claimed that the saffron party adhered to Manusmriti principles rather than the Constitution. Manusmriti is an ancient Hindu text, which invokes the writings of Hindutva ideologue Veer Savarkar.

"These people do not believe in the Constitution. They talk about Manusmriti. PM Modi made six tweets to defend Amit Shah. What was the need for this? If someone says wrong about BR Ambedkar, he should be removed from the cabinet. But they are friends and are supporting each other's sins," he said.

Kharge stressed that Dalits and economically backward people were followers of Ambedkar and that the Dalit icon never spoke about caste.

"Ambedkar stood for everyone. He always spoke for the poor and the backward classes. But that doesn't mean he had no sympathy for others. He wanted equality for all," he said.

WHAT AMIT SHAH SAID ON AMBEDKAR?​

The Congress vs BJP slugfest erupted after Amit Shah said it had become a "fashion" for the Congress to take Ambedkar's name.

"Abhi ek fashion ho gaya hai - Ambedkar, Ambedkar, Ambedkar, Ambedkar, Ambedkar, Ambedkar. Itna naam agar bhagwan ka lete to saat janmon tak swarg mil jata (It has become a fashion to say Ambedkar, Ambedkar, Ambedkar, Ambedkar, Ambedkar, Ambedkar. If they had taken God's name so many times, they would have got a place in heaven)," Shah said in a swipe at the Congress.

Accusing Shah of insulting Ambedkar, Congress chief Mallikarjun Kharge sought his resignation and a public apology. Congress and opposition MPs, including Rahul Gandhi, also staged a protest in Parliament premises holding photos of Ambedkar.

PM should sack Amit Shah by midnight if he respects Ambedkar: Mallikarjun Kharge

Congress chief Mallikarjun Kharge demanded that PM Narendra Modi should sack Amit Shah from the Union Cabinet for his remarks on Dalit icon Dr BR Ambedkar.

www.indiatoday.in

 

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In all that gibberish the best you could do is come up with Muslims must be terrible because the Polish don't like them. Did it occur to you that just being a white European country does not make them automatically right? They don't like Indian immigrants either, in Australia they used to have gangs roaming the locales looking for Indians to beat up called Dotbusters.

I am not even sure what point you are trying to make. Is it anything to do with the topic?

well YOU tell me. Because you were the one gloating about how superior the Western nations were in comparison to the rest of the world beyond the Western .