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Which bowler would you prefer between Yasir Shah and Ravichandran Ashwin in Tests?

Who would you prefer between Yasir Shah and Ravichandran Ashwin (Tests)?

  • Yasir Shah

    Votes: 118 62.1%

  • Ravichandran Ashwin

    Votes: 72 37.9%
  • Total voters
    190
Yes! Also lot of importance was given to Amir but Yasir steals the show!
 
Pakistan have performed really well on the first two days of the first test so far. Series will be much closer than what people are thinking.
 
Well yes.

But then Ashwin bowled in 2 innings only.

I would be looking forward to Shah in Australia.
 
To come in a game and nail down 4 wickets when pacers flopped is just legendary.

No words really.

Doubt Ashwin is capable of doing what Yasir did today outside Asia (atleast as of now, he has never done it).

He looks so threatening. Pitch is assisting a bit of turn now.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
To come in a game and nail down 4 wickets when pacers flopped is just legendary.

No words really.

Doubt Ashwin is capable of doing what Yasir did today outside Asia (atleast as of now, he has never done it).

He looks so threatening. Pitch is assisting a bit of turn now.
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Tbh Ashwin hasnt got oppurtunities in England.He has only played regularly in Aus.And of all the pitches that were laid out only one assisted spin.Adelaide 2014 and Dhoni played Karn Sharma there.

I believe over their careers Ashwin will end up similar figures as Yasir except in Australia.
 
Yup.

Actually Ashwin didn't bowl too bad in England. Got very little chance tbh. Went wicketless in an innings after bowling about 10 overs and bagged 3 wickets in 20 overs in the other innings.

But taking a 5fer is really special and Yasir has cemented his place as the best test spinner in the world.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Tbh Ashwin hasnt got oppurtunities in England.He has only played regularly in Aus.And of all the pitches that were laid out only one assisted spin.Adelaide 2014 and Dhoni played Karn Sharma there.

I believe over their careers Ashwin will end up similar figures as Yasir except in Australia.
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Yeah...I am aware of it bro.

Ashwin is like a guy with very limited talent but extreme ability to up his game. I have been shocked many a time by how much he powers up every few years.

Yes, he has been very unlucky in his career as in he gets to play in India or Australia where his accomplishments get dismissed. Gets called a spin track bully if he does well in India and ineffective if he doesn't do well on dead Aussie pitches (where hardly any spinner has done well).

But with that being said, he flopped in Joberg when all he needed to take was 1-2 wickets and that affected him big time. Got dropped for Durban where a 5fer was guaranteed for him. Dhoni didn't pick him during England tour (inspite of all lefties) for most part. Such is the fickle nature of life.

As for career, Ashwin has to perform outside Asia (in Eng, Aus, NZ or SA). Its not at all easy for him cos he is backed up some of the most lullooest pacers ever who leak runs. Felt really sorry for him during Aus tour.

Still I expect him to do well and over the course of their career, I expect a tough battle between Yasir and Ashwin for the best spinner battle.

However for now, if Yasir does well in England tour, his stature rises exponentially and he will be called the number 1 spinner in the world. And rightly so.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] would be pretty disappointed by this.. he never rated Shah
 
To be fair to Ashwin, He was not given a consistent run in England also Ashwin looks like he has some cholesterol problems too may be he needs to start popping those pills to get better,given a good refreshing break and then come back stronger
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yeah...I am aware of it bro.

Ashwin is like a guy with very limited talent but extreme ability to up his game. I have been shocked many a time by how much he powers up every few years.

Yes, he has been very unlucky in his career as in he gets to play in India or Australia where his accomplishments get dismissed. Gets called a spin track bully if he does well in India and ineffective if he doesn't do well on dead Aussie pitches (where hardly any spinner has done well).

But with that being said, he flopped in Joberg when all he needed to take was 1-2 wickets and that affected him big time. Got dropped for Durban where a 5fer was guaranteed for him. Dhoni didn't pick him during England tour (inspite of all lefties) for most part. Such is the fickle nature of life.

As for career, Ashwin has to perform outside Asia (in Eng, Aus, NZ or SA). Its not at all easy for him cos he is backed up some of the most lullooest pacers ever who leak runs. Felt really sorry for him during Aus tour.

Still I expect him to do well and over the course of their career, I expect a tough battle between Yasir and Ashwin for the best spinner battle.

However for now, if Yasir does well in England tour, his stature rises exponentially and he will be called the number 1 spinner in the world. And rightly so.
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Dhoni is a extremely poor captain in team selection in tests in the second half of his career as captain.Who picks Jadeja and Karn Sharma as test spinners that too outside India?

Well Yasir is not even 100 tests old.So i wouldnot go on to call him the best in the world.Not yet at least.
 
blue_champion said:
To be fair to Ashwin, He was not given a consistent run in England also Ashwin looks like he has some cholesterol problems too may be he needs to start popping those pills to get better,given a good refreshing break and then come back stronger
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Finger spinners are good but leggies ave historically done well in England
 
Yasir Shah gets five wickets against England on a day two pitch

5 wickets on a day 2 pitch, the best spinner in test cricket currently
 
Yasir certainly seems ahead now. However, it is still just one match, so the debate is far from being settled.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Dhoni is a extremely poor captain in team selection in tests in the second half of his career as captain.Who picks Jadeja and Karn Sharma as test spinners that too outside India?

Well Yasir is not even 100 tests old.So i wouldnot go on to call him the best in the world.Not yet at least.
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Current best amongst his peers (if he performs in England). None of his peers have a huge sample set either.

Dhoni was at fault reg Ashwin during England tour. But then Ashwin screwed up in Joberg so bad which caused all of it. Then dispute with Dhoni didn't help. Karn Sharma however was picked by Kohli and Shastri combo.

But in a way, those fiascos had its uses. Those moments out of the team is what helped Ashwin develop.
 
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ouchhh that must be hurting Indians alot.. Ashwin not doing as well as Shah abroad
They went the extra mile in proving Yasir would be a failiure in tests abroad.
 
Yasir was always the better bowler than Ashwin in my eyes and today's performance further crystallises that point.
 
waleed88 said:
ouchhh that must be hurting Indians alot.. Ashwin not doing as well as Shah abroad
They went the extra mile in proving Yasir would be a failiure in tests abroad.
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Not really the often ridiculed Ishant Sharma and the never rated Woakes have ran through line ups at Lords....where as so far Pakistan fast bowlers have looked absolutely harmless
 
Both are different set of bowlers. 80-90% of batsmen are right-handed, and of course Yasir has it easy being a leg spinner and all. But he really stole the show exposing the overrated pace attack in the World. I hope Mishra gets enough chances under Kohli.
 
blue_champion said:
Not really the often ridiculed Ishant Sharma and the never rated Woakes have ran through line ups at Lords....where as so far Pakistan fast bowlers have looked absolutely harmless
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And so has Tendulkar who never got a 100 at Lords.. 9 innings!! Isn't it a ridiculous stat for someone of his caliber? Or someone of Ashwin's caliber to do continuously bad in test cricket away from home..

Woakes why can't he perform he is from the home side? He would do better in conditions better than anyone else
 
Already took more wickets than what Ashwin managed in 2 tests he played.. hopefully his role under Kohli will change.. Need Ashwin to bowl attacking lines always instead of being defensive.
 
waleed88 said:
And so has Tendulkar who never got a 100 at Lords.. 9 innings!! Isn't it a ridiculous stat for someone of his caliber? Or someone of Ashwin's caliber to do continuously bad in test cricket away from home..

Woakes why can't he perform he is from the home side? He would do better in conditions better than anyone else
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First thing is both are main spinners for their side and the similarity ends there....infact the better comparison would be Yasir vs Jadeja who was our primary overseas spinner in those days and infact both turn the ball away from Right handers.....Yes I will admit Yasir is a better bowler than Ravindra Jadeja.

It is like saying Shane Warne was a greater bowler than Wasim Akram
 
Well done to Yasir for a brilliant spell. Don't want to undermine anyone to praise someone but again wrist spinners are always more dangerous than finger spinners (Murali wasn't a finger spinner). Saqlain was the best off spinner in the last 20 years or so. Ashwin has a long way to go but I feel that he will also do well in the future but not as well as Yasir.
 
Although it's kinda unfair on Ashwin as well.

Has bowled majority of his overs on the dead tracks of Australia (where better spinners than him have poor records) and very few in the other countries. His only real failure was the Jo'burg test. Would be interesting to see how he goes at the windies.
 
Ashwin is a good spinner in his own right but enough with these silly comparisons. Yasir is untouchable.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Yasir certainly seems ahead now. However, it is still just one match, so the debate is far from being settled.
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Gotta give you points for persistence.. and backing Ashwin despite knowing Yasir is a league ahead.

Best leggie after Warne.
 
blue_champion said:
First thing is both are main spinners for their side and the similarity ends there....infact the better comparison would be Yasir vs Jadeja who was our primary overseas spinner in those days and infact both turn the ball away from Right handers.....Yes I will admit Yasir is a better bowler than Ravindra Jadeja.

It is like saying Shane Warne was a greater bowler than Wasim Akram
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Please we are talking about the main spinners of the attack.. Ashwin has always been Dhoni's trump card.. and don't shifts goal posts??

COmparing Shane Warne to Wasim Akram? YOu make no sense brother
 
blue_champion said:
To be fair to Ashwin, He was not given a consistent run in England also Ashwin looks like he has some cholesterol problems too may be he needs to start popping those pills to get better,given a good refreshing break and then come back stronger
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Post reeks of jealousy.

Doesn't matter Yasir does the talking with the ball, all you guys can do is sulk and cry
 
waleed88 said:
Please we are talking about the main spinners of the attack.. Ashwin has always been Dhoni's trump card.. and don't shifts goal posts??

COmparing Shane Warne to Wasim Akram? YOu make no sense brother
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Not in tests bro,Dhoni has dropped him multiple times in tests only to suffer.In LOI yes.
 
waleed88 said:
Please we are talking about the main spinners of the attack.. Ashwin has always been Dhoni's trump card.. and don't shifts goal posts??

COmparing Shane Warne to Wasim Akram? YOu make no sense brother
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And........................Comparing a Leg SPinner to an Off spinner does?
 
Syed1 said:
Post reeks of jealousy.

Doesn't matter Yasir does the talking with the ball, all you guys can do is sulk and cry
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Jealousy for what? Lol.......I said Yasir is a good bowler....comparing him to an off spinner reeks of insecurity

There is another thread comparing Amir to Bhuvi on their England performances.

Sure Yasir is a better leg spinner than Mishra in tests...in LOI's obviously Mishra being a better option so far...and definitely better than Chawla...so hope that clears the Jealousy suspicion
 
JaDed said:
Not in tests bro,Dhoni has dropped him multiple times in tests only to suffer.In LOI yes.
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The sample size is sufficicent to suggest he has plenty of test matches abroad to prove himself.. his supporters will keep excusing he is not the same force when he doesn't have the pitch working for him...
his supporters go up in tandem calling Ashwin's delivery ball of the century.. but his unavailability abroad is never questioned
 
waleed88 said:
It does.. because we are talking about 'spinners'... get it??
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No it doesn't make sense....2 different form of spin bowling.....fine as Ashwin is probably right now the best spinner in the world and you are using him as a benchmark to compare upcoming spinners like Yasir...sure....I will give him credit where due...fantastic performance
 
blue_champion said:
No it doesn't make sense....2 different form of spin bowling.....fine as Ashwin is probably right now the best spinner in the world and you are using him as a benchmark to compare upcoming spinners like Yasir...sure....I will give him credit where due...fantastic performance
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Living in denial brother.. why do people compare Muralitharan and Shane Warne??
Shah has already shown how lethal he is against England in their home conditions.. something Ashwin could never do.. 5'fer in the first game he played, the first innings??.. Ashwin couldn't even dream of something like that let alone do it in away conditions
 
waleed88 said:
but his unavailability abroad is never questioned
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You should watch Champions trophy that took place in England. He was one of the reasons we won that tournament. Coming to Test Dhoni had always under-utilized Ashwin, especially when playing in overseas.
 
waleed88 said:
The sample size is sufficicent to suggest he has plenty of test matches abroad to prove himself.. his supporters will keep excusing he is not the same force when he doesn't have the pitch working for him...
his supporters go up in tandem calling Ashwin's delivery ball of the century.. but his unavailability abroad is never questioned
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I agree Yasir is better than Ash,talented as well i guess most Indians will after this series too,just commenting on the trump card thing.
 
Balthazar said:
You should watch Champions trophy that took place in England. He was one of the reasons we won that tournament. Coming to Test Dhoni had always under-utilized Ashwin, especially when playing in overseas.
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Don't put it on Dhoni when a player himself has been substandard.. you can't excuse incompetence..
Ashwin is only effective when you have to score against him at a specific rate.. he then bowls round the wicket to make difficult angles.. When the batsmen can play within themselves.. they don't need to score at a specific rate.. ashwin is exposed
 
Anyone saying Yasir Shah would be ineffective in England were always going to be wrong

Remember Warne.... and the fact that England struggle with leg spin. I have said it all along that he will make the English struggle and I will continue to say that Yasir will be our best bowler on this tour.

Yasir Shah best spinner in the world right now. Misbah greatest Pak captain ever and Amir becoming the best fast bowler in the world!!!
 
Indian posters before today: "Ashwin is better than Yasir because Yasir hasn't played outside of the SC"

Indian posters today: "Comparing Yasir with Ashwin is not fair because Ashwin didn't get enough chances to play on away tours"

How the hell did you guys rate Ashwin to be the best spinner in the world when he never had enough chances to play on away tours? Something doesn't add up. Either you guys are too shy to eat your words or were deliberately coming up with lame reasons to discredit the rise of Yasir.

Only if some Indians learned to call a spade a spade the entire fan base wouldn't be called hypocrites
 
waleed88 said:
Don't put it on Dhoni when a player himself has been substandard.. you can't excuse incompetence..
Ashwin is only effective when you have to score against him at a specific rate.. he then bowls round the wicket to make difficult angles.. When the batsmen can play within themselves.. they don't need to score at a specific rate.. ashwin is exposed
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How is Yasir doing in LOIs again? He's not even your a go-to spinner, barely gets selected in the team. Comparing off-spinners with leg-spinners makes no sense at all.
 
What spade a spade?

After today's performance, you will hardly see anyone saying Ashwin is better than Yasir unless Yasir does really bad in this tour from now on.

BEFORE this tour:

Yasir hadn't toured overseas. Ashwin had (in Aus while played a few innings in SA and England).

Both had played in Asia where posters compared.

Check their Asian records.

One guy averaged 24 in Asia.

Other averaged 20 in Asia.

And if you say one guy played in UAE more, the other guy averaged better in Bangladesh and SL (where both of them played back to back) and had MORE sample set of Asian wickets.

Plus that one particular guy had the 2nd best average and 2nd SR for a spinner in Asia ever.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...0;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

So who would you call as the BEST spinner if these are your criteria?

Nothing wrong in calling Ashwin the best spinner in the world yesterday.

Today, its not right.
 
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sshakir411 said:
Indian posters before today: "Ashwin is better than Yasir because Yasir hasn't played outside of the SC"

Indian posters today: "Comparing Yasir with Ashwin is not fair because Ashwin didn't get enough chances to play on away tours"

How the hell did you guys rate Ashwin to be the best spinner in the world when he never had enough chances to play on away tours? Something doesn't add up. Either you guys are too shy to eat your words or were deliberately coming up with lame reasons to discredit the rise of Yasir.

Only if some Indians learned to call a spade a spade the entire fan base wouldn't be called hypocrites
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http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283469.html

Guess who is No 11 on the list of most man of the series and this is not some random stat....Look at the Top 20...there is who is who of world cricket in that list
 
so now off spin vs leg spin comparison doesn't make sense...but when Yasir hadn't stepped foot outside of the SC it made a lot of sense. These Indian posters should dig up the threads and read what they had to say about the comparison before.
 
Balthazar said:
How is Yasir doing in LOIs again? He's not even your a go-to spinner, barely gets selected in the team. Comparing off-spinners with leg-spinners makes no sense at all.
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He doesnot get selected in ODIs mostly because of his inability to bat.. which makes out tail really big.. if Ashwin has an advantage over Yasir its that he is a better batsman whereas Yasir isn't.. that is about it..
our pacers are embarassing with the bat.. and if you play a bowler who can't bat.. we risk our tail being really big like it is in test cricket.. that is the biggest reason
nothing to doubt Yasir's quality.. the sample size isn't big enough to say Yasir is a bad bowler because he has never played..
in the world cup 2015 Afridi and 2016 Afridi Malik and Imad Wasim were our spinners.. that is the simplest reason
 
blue_champion said:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283469.html

Guess who is No 11 on the list of most man of the series and this is not some random stat....Look at the Top 20...there is who is who of world cricket in that list
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So first you said you cannot compare a leggie to a offie, but now you want to compare their number of MoS..

Keep changing the goal posts buddy, rather than accepting the fact that Yasir Shah is ten times the bowler that Ashwin will ever be.
 
waleed88 said:
He doesnot get selected in ODIs mostly because of his inability to bat.. which makes out tail really big.. if Ashwin has an advantage over Yasir its that he is a better batsman whereas Yasir isn't.. that is about it..
our pacers are embarassing with the bat.. and if you play a bowler who can't bat.. we risk our tail being really big like it is in test cricket.. that is the biggest reason
nothing to doubt Yasir's quality.. the sample size isn't big enough to say Yasir is a bad bowler because he has never played..
in the world cup 2015 Afridi and 2016 Afridi Malik and Imad Wasim were our spinners.. that is the simplest reason
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So you are saying you have a world class lower-order or tail with the bat that Yasir Shah cannot break into :)))
 
Syed1 said:
So first you said you cannot compare a leggie to a offie, but now you want to compare their number of MoS..

Keep changing the goal posts buddy, rather than accepting the fact that Yasir Shah is ten times the bowler that Ashwin will ever be.
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You seem to be missing the entire context again lol.......Did I show you the MOS list filtered by spinners?
Am I comparing those 2? I think Yasir is a good talent and hope for your team's sake he becomes a world beater and justifies the talent even more....but my post was show why Ashwin as a "cricketer"-being the key word here is highly rated by not just by Indians but most pundits
 
Spinner comparison is fair (leggie vs offie).

The ODI aspect to justify Yasir's place is an absurd claim though.
 
Players that turn the ball away will almost have more chances of picking up wickets. Add flight on top of this and you gotta dangerous bowler.
 
blue_champion said:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283469.html

Guess who is No 11 on the list of most man of the series and this is not some random stat....Look at the Top 20...there is who is who of world cricket in that list
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buddy, I'm not arguing about what Ashwin has achieved. Good for him and good for team India. I'm just pointing out what was said earlier to what is being said now. Do you get it?

When Yasir and Ashwin were compared few months ago this was the average Indian fan reply "Yasir cannot be called a great spinner or even the best until he plays outside of the SC, but Ashwin is a proven match winner in away conditions and hence is a better bowler than Yasir" ...this has now changed to "Ashwin never got a chance on away tour"

Some are now resorting to "Off spinner and leg spinner comparison isn't fair"

I'm just calling out people for not sticking to their standards of judging a player...seems like you guys will apply any standard that makes your players look better to you in your own head. Doesn't change anything, Yasir has always been a better spinner and more attacking than Ashwin. You can still continue denying it..and apply whatever standard you want. Just stick to it when the comparison comes around again in a month or two
 
waleed88 said:
He doesnot get selected in ODIs mostly because of his inability to bat.. which makes out tail really big.. if Ashwin has an advantage over Yasir its that he is a better batsman whereas Yasir isn't.. that is about it..
our pacers are embarassing with the bat.. and if you play a bowler who can't bat.. we risk our tail being really big like it is in test cricket.. that is the biggest reason
nothing to doubt Yasir's quality.. the sample size isn't big enough to say Yasir is a bad bowler because he has never played..
in the world cup 2015 Afridi and 2016 Afridi Malik and Imad Wasim were our spinners.. that is the simplest reason
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Please read carefully.. Indians have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed today :))
It rubs them really hard Shah being compared to Ashwin..
 
Syed1 said:
So first you said you cannot compare a leggie to a offie, but now you want to compare their number of MoS..

Keep changing the goal posts buddy, rather than accepting the fact that Yasir Shah is ten times the bowler that Ashwin will ever be.
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bhai, trying to slice the cake in creative ways just to get Ashwin on top somehow. Running out of ideas so now MOS matters a lot. Pretty sure if you bring this MOS indicator in another debate that will not favor an Indian they will call it an irrelevant indicator

just like "off spinner and leg spinner cannot be compared"
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Spinner comparison is fair (leggie vs offie).

The ODI aspect to justify Yasir's place is an absurd claim though.
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You can't afford another bowler.. when you have a tail that includes Amir/Wahab/Irfan..
THe 4th bowler is Imad Wasim/Zafar Gohar/Anwar Ali who can both bat (they are Afridi replacements).. and then Azhar ali bowls part timers with Malik as the 5th bowler..
 
waleed88 said:
He doesnot get selected in ODIs mostly because of his inability to bat.. which makes out tail really big.. if Ashwin has an advantage over Yasir its that he is a better batsman whereas Yasir isn't.. that is about it..
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He does not get selected because he's rubbish in LOIs. Imran Tahir and even Shahid Afridi are better leg spinners than Yasir. He takes some time to get used to pitch, that's why he is only limited to Test format where as Ashwin continues to be our main bowler in both the formats.
 
blue_champion said:
You seem to be missing the entire context again lol.......Did I show you the MOS list filtered by spinners?
Am I comparing those 2? I think Yasir is a good talent and hope for your team's sake he becomes a world beater and justifies the talent even more....but my post was show why Ashwin as a "cricketer"-being the key word here is highly rated by not just by Indians but most pundits
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So you have problem with comparing two "spinners" but have no problem with comparing "cricketers" with different skill sets and roles?
 
waleed88 said:
You can't afford another bowler.. when you have a tail that includes Amir/Wahab/Irfan..
THe 4th bowler is Imad Wasim/Zafar Gohar/Anwar Ali who can both bat (they are Afridi replacements).. and then Azhar ali bowls part timers with Malik as the 5th bowler..
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Nah.

Yasir doesn't get selected in ODI not cos he can't bat but because he averages 36 in ODI (with average of 82 against Eng in 3 games, 41 against SL in 5 gamesand no wickets against the single game against India....averaged 18 against Zim). Overall economy of 5.2

That's the reason.
 
I just wonder, Warne has ~200 wickets in ~35 Tests against Poms @ ~26-27; Murali has about ~100 from ~16/17 Tests @ ~<20 - where could he finished had he got the luxury of 5 Tests every alternate year against Poms & 3 against SAF?

May be we should stop talking on that Wisden rank of cricketers ....
 
Balthazar said:
He does not get selected because he's rubbish in LOIs. Imran Tahir and even Shahid Afridi are better leg spinners than Yasir. He takes some time to get used to pitch, that's why he is only limited to Test format where as Ashwin continues to be our main bowler in both the formats.
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In all 3 infact and add his batting to it and despite Ash being a poor fielder in the Indian line up,His fielding is definitely top notch compared to say Yasir Shah....as a total package Ashwin right now is way way ahead....Let us not get carried away with one good spell....Yes Yasir deserves all the credit in the world for his performance today...but it is premature and over excitement of some posters bringing Ashwin in the discussion
 
sshakir411 said:
buddy, I'm not arguing about what Ashwin has achieved. Good for him and good for team India. I'm just pointing out what was said earlier to what is being said now. Do you get it?

When Yasir and Ashwin were compared few months ago this was the average Indian fan reply "Yasir cannot be called a great spinner or even the best until he plays outside of the SC, but Ashwin is a proven match winner in away conditions and hence is a better bowler than Yasir" ...this has now changed to "Ashwin never got a chance on away tour"

Some are now resorting to "Off spinner and leg spinner comparison isn't fair"

I'm just calling out people for not sticking to their standards of judging a player...seems like you guys will apply any standard that makes your players look better to you in your own head. Doesn't change anything, Yasir has always been a better spinner and more attacking than Ashwin. You can still continue denying it..and apply whatever standard you want. Just stick to it when the comparison comes around again in a month or two
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Syed1 said:
So you have problem with comparing two "spinners" but have no problem with comparing "cricketers" with different skill sets and roles?
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If I were in your shoes, I wouldn't even bothered arguing a poster who's nickname is alone those lines.

" blue_champion, Man_in_blue, blue_rules " so on and so forth.
 
Syed1 said:
So you have problem with comparing two "spinners" but have no problem with comparing "cricketers" with different skill sets and roles?
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Oh my God....how can I be more clear than what I have already expressed

Ok key word...."comparison" focus now ok

I am not COMPARING anyone

Point 1

I am just saying Ashwin is rated highly for his performance and accomplishments overall so far

Point 2
Good spell by Yasir TODAY

Point 3
Nothing common between those 2 as I have stated earlier so no comparison

Point 4
Those stats were in response to 2 doubts that were raised Why Ashwin is rated Highly and why he has been a star performer.

Hope that is clear
 
Yasir Shah has done more in this first innings than all of Ashwin's tour of England. Let that sink in..
 
blue_champion said:
In all 3 infact and add his batting to it and despite Ash being a poor fielder in the Indian line up,His fielding is definitely top notch compared to say Yasir Shah....as a total package Ashwin right now is way way ahead....Let us not get carried away with one good spell....Yes Yasir deserves all the credit in the world for his performance today...but it is premature and over excitement of some posters bringing Ashwin in the discussion
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and on what basis have you concluded that Ashwin is a better fielder than Yasir? Just wondering because Yasir is actually the better fielders in the Pak team
 
sshakir411 said:
and on what basis have you concluded that Ashwin is a better fielder than Yasir? Just wondering because Yasir is actually the better fielders in the Pak team
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Not to sound condescending but that is not exactly a great achievement....whereas in terms of Athleticism India seems to have some tremendous athletes and fielders,our slip catching is pretty bad...infact Ashwin is one of our better slip fielders and overall safe catcher....so yes this I will admit was assumption and more than wiling to take back my statement if I see some Jonty Rhodes kind of efforts by Yasir Shah
 
The last time before Yasir Shah a legspinner took a five-for in the first innings at Lord's was 1967.- Bhagwath Chandrasekhar took 5 for 127. This just shows that Shah is a special bowler, solely as a bowler in tests I believe Shah just edges ahead of Ashwin because he has preformed in England.
 
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