Who will win the Premier League 2023/24 title (Top 5 finishes also)?

Exactly, finishing above Liverpool, even if it is "for many years to come" is worthless if we keep falling short of winning the League.
100% agreed, but just for now might as well pour some salt over the open wounds on Liverpool fans
 
Van Dijk looked like a natural leader until he became the official captain. He has been so uninspiring and whiny as captain.
 
@KingKhanWC - liverpools title % is higher then the chances of a certain poster apologising at end of season 🤭

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Arsenal fans better hold their breaths for now.
 
I think City will drop points tonight and that will put it back in Arsenal's hands

Going to be an exciting finish to the title race
 
@KingKhanWC - liverpools title % is higher then the chances of a certain poster apologising at end of season 🤭

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Liverpool’s chances as per Opta “Super dumb” computer are 2.7% higher than your chances of getting anything right about football and 2.7% higher than your chances of apologizing for wanting Arteta sacked in 2021 because “Arsenal were never going to challenge for the league under him”.
 
Arsenal fans better hold their breaths for now.
I think City will drop points tonight and that will put it back in Arsenal's hands

Going to be an exciting finish to the title race

If your holding your breathe you will have already passed out.

City already 2-0 at Brighton, when needed they usually get the job done
 
@Geordie Ahmed

0-3 man city - not sure where you got idea City were going to drop points.

or where the "law of averages" comes into play.

City when they know they have to win every single at back end of season just get it done
 
@Geordie Ahmed

0-3 man city - not sure where you got idea City were going to drop points.

or where the "law of averages" comes into play.

City when they know they have to win every single at back end of season just get it done
It's a prediction, a terrible one but not completely without merit

I still don't think City win all remaining 5 games and I'm happy for you to come back to me on that one
 
Some of these predictions are worthy of the Mystic Meg column in The Sun
 
It's a prediction, a terrible one but not completely without merit

I still don't think City win all remaining 5 games and I'm happy for you to come back to me on that one
I don't get where the merit is from?

Brightons head to head record vs Man city is poor. 1 win and 1 draw against them since they were promoted back to the Premier league. On top of that brighton are nowhere near as good as last season. Their High risk playing out from back is tailor made for man city to expose. Also this myth City aren't playing well. They haven't lost a game of football in 90 minutes this calender year (only loss was on penalties to Real)

I never said City will win all their remaining games.

I said at start of season when fixtures came out, that out of the last 9 fixtures City have in the season - spurs away is the one they are likely to drop points in.

I re-enforced this view after the Arsenal game saying they would won every game barring spurs (away)

The challenge essentially was when their was 9 games to go could Liverpool or Arsensl win all their remaining games

Yes I think man city will drop points at spurs. That means Arsenal have to win all their remaining games.

That includes winning away to spurs and united in same season, last time that happened was 1978-79.

Arsenal record at WHL isn't great yes they won their last season. The last time Arsenal beat spurs away in league 2 consecutive seasons in a row was back in 1987 and then 1988.

As poor as united are in last few years. Arsensl have still struggled at OT - 5 wins in last 40 years.

I'm not saying Arsenal can't get through those 2 games unbeaten, but to take 6 points, they would essentially be going against history.

So yeah City will drop points, but so are Arsenal.
 
Also to add to my point on Arsenal fixtures vs Spurs and united away. Two grounds where we struggle.

This team hasn't won a big away PL game this season.

City, Liverpool, Chelsea (drew)
Villa, Newcastle (lost)

So again you asking a team to win two huge away games. When form wise in big games away they haven't done enough to win this season

Arsenal are going to have to win both these games
 
I don't get where the merit is from?

Brightons head to head record vs Man city is poor. 1 win and 1 draw against them since they were promoted back to the Premier league. On top of that brighton are nowhere near as good as last season. Their High risk playing out from back is tailor made for man city to expose. Also this myth City aren't playing well. They haven't lost a game of football in 90 minutes this calender year (only loss was on penalties to Real)

I never said City will win all their remaining games.

I said at start of season when fixtures came out, that out of the last 9 fixtures City have in the season - spurs away is the one they are likely to drop points in.

I re-enforced this view after the Arsenal game saying they would won every game barring spurs (away)

The challenge essentially was when their was 9 games to go could Liverpool or Arsensl win all their remaining games

Yes I think man city will drop points at spurs. That means Arsenal have to win all their remaining games.

That includes winning away to spurs and united in same season, last time that happened was 1978-79.

Arsenal record at WHL isn't great yes they won their last season. The last time Arsenal beat spurs away in league 2 consecutive seasons in a row was back in 1987 and then 1988.

As poor as united are in last few years. Arsensl have still struggled at OT - 5 wins in last 40 years.

I'm not saying Arsenal can't get through those 2 games unbeaten, but to take 6 points, they would essentially be going against history.

So yeah City will drop points, but so are Arsenal.
Last 3 fixtures at the Amex is won 1, lost 1, drew 1

So recent history suggests it's not a place they win every single time, that's the merit
 
The last time Arsenal beat spurs away in league 2 consecutive seasons in a row was back in 1987 and then 1988.

As poor as united are in last few years. Arsensl have still struggled at OT - 5 wins in last 40 years.
Such useless historic records mean nothing. Are the same Arsenal and Spurs players playing since 1987-1988?

Is this Arsenal team responsible for winning only 5 times in 40 years at Old Trafford?

Only people who don’t know anything about football put stock into such historic records that have zero relevance in contemporary context.

Arsenal winning, drawing or losing at Spurs and United will have absolutely nothing to do with history. Nothing has anything to do with history as long as the same group of people are not involved.
 
Last 3 fixtures at the Amex is won 1, lost 1, drew 1

So recent history suggests it's not a place they win every single time, that's the merit
I think he will come around to understand the point you are making once he stops meat-riding City.
 
Last 3 fixtures at the Amex is won 1, lost 1, drew 1

So recent history suggests it's not a place they win every single time, that's the merit

City had already wrapped up the league when they played Brighton and then Brentford last season (last 2 games,). They pretty much played in a manner where they made sure players were getting injured for FA cup or CL final.

Also as I mentioned Brighton are nowhere near as good as last season. Man city went to brighton final game of season a few years back when title was on line and won with ease. As they have most visits there. De zerbi gets to much hype for his suicidal football.

City have forrest, Fulham and wolves next and they will win all 3. Fulham just like Brighton will play an open game vs City ahd get taken apart.

Spurs will take points of man city but thats it.

City rarely drop points when it's do or die for them in title race, they essentially play each game like it's a cup final
 
City are winning all the rest of their games. Best hope is Tottenham but they won’t be motivated to help Arsenal out, I just can’t see it happening.

Arsenal will win all their games I feel or perhaps drop at Tottenham.
 
Man city in PL
3 vs united
5 vs Luton
4 vs Palace
4 vs Villa
4 vs brighton

Forrest, Fulham, wolves next..

Can't see any of those 3 teams stopping City
 
City had already wrapped up the league when they played Brighton and then Brentford last season (last 2 games,). They pretty much played in a manner where they made sure players were getting injured for FA cup or CL final.

Also as I mentioned Brighton are nowhere near as good as last season. Man city went to brighton final game of season a few years back when title was on line and won with ease. As they have most visits there. De zerbi gets to much hype for his suicidal football.

City have forrest, Fulham and wolves next and they will win all 3. Fulham just like Brighton will play an open game vs City ahd get taken apart.

Spurs will take points of man city but thats it.

City rarely drop points when it's do or die for them in title race, they essentially play each game like it's a cup final
Ultimately I don't put a huge amount of stock to what's happened in the past, it can be an indicator but it's not the be all and end all

That aside, since you mocked my prediction of Brighton getting points tonight (and rightly so, it turned out to be a terrible prediction), can I mock you for predicting Arsenal to finish 4th? 😀
 
Ultimately I don't put a huge amount of stock to what's happened in the past, it can be an indicator but it's not the be all and end all

That aside, since you mocked my prediction of Brighton getting points tonight (and rightly so, it turned out to be a terrible prediction), can I mock you for predicting Arsenal to finish 4th? 😀

Feel free to mock my prediction. The thread was a but of fun.

Everyone who made predictions had Man united finishing top 4 (that ain't happening)

Vast majority prediction makers had Chelsea and Newcastle finishing Top 6 (that ain't happening for chelsea)

Me and you were only ones to predict Villa would do well this season.
 
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But but I will set of fireworks..

But but il be throwing rotten tomatoes...
 
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"Historical results don't matter"

Yet their were celebrations after Anfield draw by certain Arsenal fans. Normally we get smashed here, so we can celebrate.

"Along as we don't get hammered at eithad like normal and put up a better showing"

Again celebrating a draw after.

A certain fan was celebrating draws, and referencing past results. But history don't matter 🤣.
 
"Historical results don't matter"

Yet their were celebrations after Anfield draw by certain Arsenal fans. Normally we get smashed here, so we can celebrate.
It had nothing to do with history. It is common sense.

Arsenal and Liverpool are competing for the title and if you go to your title rival’s home and get a point, it is always a very good result.

It would have been a very good result for Liverpool too if they had taken a point at the Emirates.

What has it got to do with history?
"Along as we don't get hammered at eithad like normal and put up a better showing"

Again celebrating a draw after.

A certain fan was celebrating draws, and referencing past results. But history don't matter 🤣.
Again - what does it have to do with history? Very few teams can go to the Etihad and take a point because Man City is a very strong side and very strong sides rarely drop points at home.

Your history theory went out of the window when you kept harping about how Arsenal have lost every game to City since 2016 etc. but none of that mattered because those Arsenal teams and this Arsenal team is different, which is why your history when out of the window and Arsenal took 4 points off City this season.

History has 0 significance on the outcome of present matches. The only thing that matters is your current level.
 
So yet again history don't matter, new excuses ruled out.

Quite a few teams have taken points at the eithad between 2016 and now. Quite a few teams have taken points of City between 2016 and now. So absolutely lame excuse excuse again.

Seen as though someone hasn't had the bottle to make a prediction all season.. let's see if someone finally grown a pair.

If you believe in the messiah so much put your PP membership on the line and tell everyone Arsenal are beating spurs and united away, as history don't matter with this team.

I guarantee you ain't got the balls to do that. I full expect you run like a coward again ..
 
So yet again history don't matter, new excuses ruled out.

Quite a few teams have taken points at the eithad between 2016 and now. Quite a few teams have taken points of City between 2016 and now. So absolutely lame excuse excuse again.

Seen as though someone hasn't had the bottle to make a prediction all season.. let's see if someone finally grown a pair.

If you believe in the messiah so much put your PP membership on the line and tell everyone Arsenal are beating spurs and united away, as history don't matter with this team.

I guarantee you ain't got the balls to do that. I full expect you run like a coward again ..
I don’t know if Arsenal will beat Spurs or United away. Spurs is a good team and it is always difficult to a beat a good team away from home that too in a fierce derby with the added motivation for Spurs to derail Arsenal’s chances of winning the league and also secure UCL qualification for themselves.

United are hit and miss but Ten Hag sets his team up well vs the top sides. Their main issue is performing vs teams they are expected to beat. Let’s not forget that they were a mm away from winning at the Emirates.

But you were 100% certain in 2020-2021 that Arsenal would never challenge for the title under Arteta and you are 100% certain that Arsenal would never win the league under Arteta so when it happens, I would expect you to apologize for being so wrong.

However, you don’t have the chops to apologize which is why you are yet to apologize for dismissing Arteta’s ability to help Arsenal challenge for the PL.
 
So as expected a certain fan had no faith in Arsenal winning at the eithad.

Same fan now says he does believe Arsenal will win both at spurs and united (away)

But I guarantee you this, if Arsenal win both their last two away games this season they will be tagging posters left, right and centre..

Oh yoh have zero ball knowledge, I told you Arteta was the messiah. You all need to apologize.

The hypocrisy will be fully exposed and this is why I called a certain poster out.

So if Arsensl win both games, is Arteta fan club leader going to apologize for lack of faith in his messiah?

Its funny that when other Arsenal fans give reasons for spurs and united away being tough (historical reasons etc..) its zero ball knowledge. Yet when other reasons are given to say game its difficult thats the be all and end all 🤣🤦‍♂️

Again the hypocrisy is exposed.

In regards to manager validation that's even more hilarious.

I've said time and time again I judge all managers at big clubs ( Arsenal, City, Liverpool, Chelsea, united, Real, bayern, barca) on same thing

- competition on all fronts
- winning in Europe (europa or CL)
- winning league titles
- winning Domestic cups
- squad management across an entire season
- handling end of season pressure

I expect high standards for any manager in this situation. Progress is all well and good, can be acknowledged.

But this you got to apologize if manager wins title? 🤦‍♂🤣

I already Answered the question in this thread, if Arsenal win PL I will give manager full credit.

Yet you have cheerleaders who want to give the manager flowers (Arsenal and Liverpool fans are worst at this) for progress / competing, yet when teams fall short it's oh "but it's coz of Pep"

It's because of x,y,z

Instead have the balls to constructively criticise your manager or club that they still need to improve to get over the line. Yet 99% can't do that.

Works both ways if a team / manager gets in a position to wins trophies / leagues its down to those people, if they fall short it's down to say people as well.
 
Also to add to my point on Arsenal fixtures vs Spurs and united away. Two grounds where we struggle.

This team hasn't won a big away PL game this season.

City, Liverpool, Chelsea (drew)
Villa, Newcastle (lost)

So again you asking a team to win two huge away games. When form wise in big games away they haven't done enough to win this season

Arsenal are going to have to win both these games

So I stated here that Arsenal record in big away games this season poor and another reason why Spurs and united away is going to be tough.

Mr Arteta fan club chairman states

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So basically stating same thing, big away games are tough.

Yet again exposing a fan for hypocricy
 
So as expected a certain fan had no faith in Arsenal winning at the eithad.

Same fan now says he does believe Arsenal will win both at spurs and united (away)

But I guarantee you this, if Arsenal win both their last two away games this season they will be tagging posters left, right and centre..

Oh yoh have zero ball knowledge, I told you Arteta was the messiah. You all need to apologize.

The hypocrisy will be fully exposed and this is why I called a certain poster out.

So if Arsensl win both games, is Arteta fan club leader going to apologize for lack of faith in his messiah?

Its funny that when other Arsenal fans give reasons for spurs and united away being tough (historical reasons etc..) its zero ball knowledge. Yet when other reasons are given to say game its difficult thats the be all and end all 🤣🤦‍♂️

Again the hypocrisy is exposed.

In regards to manager validation that's even more hilarious.

I've said time and time again I judge all managers at big clubs ( Arsenal, City, Liverpool, Chelsea, united, Real, bayern, barca) on same thing

- competition on all fronts
- winning in Europe (europa or CL)
- winning league titles
- winning Domestic cups
- squad management across an entire season
- handling end of season pressure

I expect high standards for any manager in this situation. Progress is all well and good, can be acknowledged.

But this you got to apologize if manager wins title? 🤦‍♂🤣

I already Answered the question in this thread, if Arsenal win PL I will give manager full credit.

Yet you have cheerleaders who want to give the manager flowers (Arsenal and Liverpool fans are worst at this) for progress / competing, yet when teams fall short it's oh "but it's coz of Pep"

It's because of x,y,z

Instead have the balls to constructively criticise your manager or club that they still need to improve to get over the line. Yet 99% can't do that.

Works both ways if a team / manager gets in a position to wins trophies / leagues its down to those people, if they fall short it's down to say people as well.
Because your reasons are rubbish. History has zero relevance when the players involved are different.

If you think Arsenal won’t win either of the two games because Spurs is a good team and Ten Hag’s sets up his team well vs the top sides, that is a perfectly reasonable reason, but to say that Arsenal won’t win because they have never won at United and Spurs in the same season before or they have only won 5 times in 40 seasons at Old Trafford are rubbish and laughable reasons.

Last I checked, this group of Arsenal players have not been playing at Old Trafford for 40 years, so they have absolutely nothing to do with what happened in the past.
 
🤣 Mr zero ball knowledge telling others their reasonings are rubbish.

This coming from "it's in the bag"

Also I have exposed your lack of faith in team, for all the bhangra and fireworks you weren't prepared to back up your bravado.

I knew me calling you and forcing you to show if you had faith or not would expose you.

I did this mid-season with seeing if you would apologize if team failed, yet you back tracked on it as well.

Don't go round acting like Mr know it all when you don't have any convictions on your own beliefs.
 
Pep Guardiola insists Man City will need maximum points if they want to hold onto their crown...

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I agree with Pep on this one

I think Arsenal win all 3 games left, will City do the same with their 4 games?
 
Pep us right, City have to win all remaining games but to GUARANTEE a title win.

If City draw a game, it still isn't mathematically over, but their hopes are on Arsenal results.

This could go down to the final weekend of the EPL season.
 
The slippery ones are Man U for Arsenal and Spurs for City.
Ironically both Man U and Arsenal fans won't be massively upset if they lose those games

Though, Spurs might not have anything to play for then whereas Man U will potentially have 6th to play for
 
Everyone has highlighted the spurs game for City.

At Same time City are unbeaten in 19 PL games.

Also on top of that man city have reeled off 14 wins in a row and 10 wins in a row in other title winning seasons.

City have been in this must win every game scenario before. Its essentially playing every game like a knockout cup game.

Arsenal have to force as much pressure on City, in the next 2 games.
 
@KingKhanWC

What is Opta’s “super computer” saying now? :klopp

Opta is saying City to still win it :wenger

Imo Liverpool & Arsenal lost the league after losses to Palace & Villa . Liverpool lost interest knowing this & Klopp made too many changes , even though the team played regularly for months .

Arsenal have played well but nothing amazing, Spurs should have won the match , dominated n huge parts .

I think Arsenal will win 3 remaining games but City will win too . Only hope is City draw to spurs but they won’t be giving it 💯.

If Arsenal win it will be a fantastic achievement & fully deserved!
 
Some top finish by City today, only Tottenham a worry for them but their recent poor form just are too encouraging for them.
 
Liverpool were never in it , 5th to 1st is rare .

Hold that bottle , Arsenal may need it . 😎
Excuses excuses, you were in the title race and then chocked. Just a fitting end to the klopp era 😉🤭
 
The way spurs are playing at moment. I think City will fancy pasting them as well
 
Law of averages.

Spurs have been thrashed 3 games in a row.

They won't lose a 4th.
 
Anyone who thinks Spurs are going to play for the win vs City needs to think again.

Spurs would never gift title chances to Arsenal.
 
Anyone who thinks Spurs are going to play for the win vs City needs to think again.

Spurs would never gift title chances to Arsenal.
There is a difference between fans and players/managers and sometimes, fans fail to see things from the perspective of players/managers.

There is no doubt that a section of Spurs fans who are obsessed with Arsenal would be happy to see them lose to City, but the only thing that matters to Ange and the players right now is winning their remaining games to have an outside chance of getting into the top 4.
 
Anyone who thinks Spurs are going to play for the win vs City needs to think again.

Spurs would never gift title chances to Arsenal.
There is a difference between fans and players/managers and sometimes, fans fail to see things from the perspective of players/managers.

There is no doubt that a section of Spurs fans who are obsessed with Arsenal would be happy to see them lose to City, but the only thing that matters to Ange and the players right now is winning their remaining games to have an outside chance of getting into the top 4.
This is absolutely true, crucially, Arsenal game against Man U will factor how motivated Spurs are. In a separate note, you got to feel sorry for the fixture run Spurs have had to endure. :ROFLMAO:
 
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Excuses excuses, you were in the title race and then chocked. Just a fitting end to the klopp era 😉🤭

The race was over when you lost at home to Villa . It’s City not only Arsenal fans need to win both games , fans are praying every woke moment too .

Always next year :wenger
 
Arsenal will beat Man U with ease on Sunday, no doubt about it and Everton will be light work

They need Fulham or Spurs to do them a favour if they are to win the league
 
Arsenal will beat Man U with ease on Sunday, no doubt about it and Everton will be light work

They need Fulham or Spurs to do them a favour if they are to win the league
I'm hoping (praying) united can get a proper team out next week and have a proper game Vs arsenal.
I know its a long shot.

Spurs game for city is tricky regardless of what fans want.
City play right into spurs hands and have not scored a league goal at spurs.

Also the likes of KdB Bernardo Walker have started to look like they struggle with a 3 day turnaround ( see forest game which they could easily have lost- after the Burnley game)
Even Rodri with how much he has played in last 2 seasons
Saturday to Tuesday turnaround will be tough.

One game at a time I guess
 
I'm hoping (praying) united can get a proper team out next week and have a proper game Vs arsenal.
I know its a long shot.

Spurs game for city is tricky regardless of what fans want.
City play right into spurs hands and have not scored a league goal at spurs.

Also the likes of KdB Bernardo Walker have started to look like they struggle with a 3 day turnaround ( see forest game which they could easily have lost- after the Burnley game)
Even Rodri with how much he has played in last 2 seasons
Saturday to Tuesday turnaround will be tough.

One game at a time I guess
Fernandes will be back but other than that it will be most of the players we saw tonight

Man U will not put up much resistance, their defence is an absolute mess and Arsenal will run rings around them

Arsenal will finish on 89 points, City won't have the better GD so they'll need to win all 3 games
 
No fight from Fulham, zero shots attempted after 60 mins . City expected to take 3 points but no drama or close call to see here .

0-1
 
Looks like City are taking 3 points at Fulham, pressure transfers to Arsenal tomorrow. Which then becomes a must win.
 
0-2 city, have kept Fulham at arms length all game

0-3 now . Fulham players ready for their holiday. At this stage always more difficult playing sides which have something to play for . Also gd is only 3 now , not that I feel it will be required
 
City will win it.

Knowing City's impeccable record in the title run, Arsenals defeat at home to Villa will be the catalyst.

Gooners may not agree, but at this level, small details are key , hence Arsenal bottled the league once again .
 
City will win it.

Knowing City's impeccable record in the title run, Arsenals defeat at home to Villa will be the catalyst.

Gooners may not agree, but at this level, small details are key , hence Arsenal bottled the league once again .

Liverpool are ones who have bottled league with they way they collapsed this season, which was on a par with Arsenal last season.

Bottling is when a huge lead is thrown away, or a team completely collapses in space of a few weeks
 
Liverpool are ones who have bottled league with they way they collapsed this season, which was on a par with Arsenal last season.

Bottling is when a huge lead is thrown away, or a team completely collapses in space of a few weeks

Yep, Liverpool did bottle it. The same case with Arsenal. When it mattered, they couldn't get over the line.

Both teams knew CITYs imperious record in the run in.
 
Yep, Liverpool did bottle it. The same case with Arsenal. When it mattered, they couldn't get over the line.

Both teams knew CITYs imperious record in the run in.
All Arsenal can do is apply pressure by winning tomorrow. Yes City record in run ins I'd imperious, it's why I said right at start of the season in this thread any team wanting to finish ahead of City need a big points lead going into last 9 games
 
City was trolling both Arsenal and Liverpool this season, now took control after letting others have a bit of fun and delusions of grandeur.

Title's in the bag lads.
 
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Its last day today who would be crowned as the champion this season?

City should win comfortably .

A long hard season for Arsenal , taking it to the last day . Not winning it or not winning anything is a disappointing season for their fans . Don’t be surprised if Everton cause them problems
 
Saka out for Arsenal . Everton playing a defensive line up .

City has its strongest line up , Ortega is a brilliant replacement. West Ham playing 3-4-3 , will be torn apart at the back if city play to their full level .
 
City don't need to make massive changes to their squad after the treble. Gvaridol makes city defence even stronger. This is a team which didn't conceded more then 1 goal in any game from when they beat spurs 4-2. If a team ain't concededing goals and you have haaland and Alvarez (who will pretty much play more regularly and replace mahrez) then you are going to win games.

Kovacic will do gudogan role. Yes gudogans goals will be missed, but just means Phil foden will play more and he's more than capable of 15 goals in a season. They are also looking at mitoma as another winger signing.

Said at start of Season Foden would step up and have a big season this season.
 
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