Why are Indians desperate for their bowler to cross the 160 Kph mark?

[Statpadder Inc]

In cricket the best bowlers were always the one who bowled in about 140 kph with good length & line & ability to swing / seam in all conditions

Like Dennis Lille, Malcolm Marshall, Hadlee, Imran, McGrath, Wasim Akram, Donald, Ambrose, Steyn. Cummins & Bumrah ( possibly Rabada) are in line to join that category

None of these 150+ bowlers can be categorized as all time greats - Thompson, Colin Croft, Shoaib Akhtar, SHaun tait, MArk Wood wud be labelled as greats

Only 1 guy Brett Lee crossed 300 wicket mark - but even he was not express pace all the time

What about micheal holding?

Dindnt peak waqar bowl at 150+

 

[NishanKonar]

What about micheal holding?

Dindnt peak waqar bowl at 150+

Holding was mostly a145 kph bolwer. Not express pace. And Holding was not really a great. Roberts & Marshall were superior to him

Waqar was not exactly a test great. He was very good in cleaning up the tail which inflated his stats but his new ball skills were not that great. He was lucky to play in an era when ball tampering was not so closely monitored. In the 90s tv cameras were not so vigilant and using bottle corks was rampant. Then ICC changed the rules and made it mandatory for the umpires to take the ball during drinks break. Reverse swing disappeared overnight

 

[cricketjoshila]

Holding was mostly a145 kph bolwer. Not express pace. And Holding was not really a great. Roberts & Marshall were superior to him

Waqar was not exactly a test great. He was very good in cleaning up the tail which inflated his stats but his new ball skills were not that great. He was lucky to play in an era when ball tampering was not so closely monitored. In the 90s tv cameras were not so vigilant and using bottle corks was rampant. Then ICC changed the rules and made it mandatory for the umpires to take the ball during drinks break. Reverse swing disappeared overnight

Roberts was faster than Holding.

Roberts was measured at 159.5 and Holding at 157.

They were fast and there are no doubts.

Can you tell me your cricteria of great?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

I think there's over excitement after watching Mayank Yadav bowl over 150.

 

[Major]

So what ever happend to Umran Malik? Bas hawa nikal gaye?

 

[mominsaigol]

So what ever happend to Umran Malik? Bas hawa nikal gaye?

According to some of our Indian friends on this forumn, he was suppose to be the greatest bowler the world has ever seen.

I think the world they were referring to was Planet Mars. Cause I haven't seen him on Earth.

 

[Major]

According to some of our Indian friends on this forumn, he was suppose to be the greatest bowler the world has ever seen.

I think the world they were referring to was Planet Mars. Cause I haven't seen him on Earth.

remember when joshila was writing essays on pace all of a sudden. He took a big u turn from line and length bowlers stance.

Turns out, all thee years, Joshial envied Pakistani bowlers.

 

[Devadwal]

India pace battery is better than Pakistan trundlers .

 

[mominsaigol]

remember when joshila was writing essays on pace all of a sudden. He took a big u turn from line and length bowlers stance.

Turns out, all thee years, Joshial envied Pakistani bowlers.

I'm aware. I read the entire conversation

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

150 kph speed is not required, it serves no purpose, batsman are equipped to play high pace these days.

Give me a 135-147 kph bowler who can switch gears, a 160 kph specimen won't really last long. We saw in case of Akhtar that he retired without winning a single ICC trophy. He is still my favourite though because he could move the ball at 150+, not something you get with gun barrel straight bowlers like Wood, Nortje etc.

 

[Bhaijaan]

The idea that Bharat is obsessed with 160 kph bowlers doesn’t hold much ground when you look at how the country’s pace bowlers have been treated over the years.

While there is certainly excitement among fans about raw pace, the team management has always prioritized control and consistency over sheer speed. The moment a 150 kph bowlers goes for a few boundaries they start feeling nervous about him. We need to understand that every pace bowler gets murderer in Bharat and it’s ok. If you want to build a team for SENA you shouldn’t worry about that.

Look at the careers of Umesh Yadav, Varun Aaron, Umran Malik, we were excited about all of them but we did not have the guts to carry them for long. Dhoni in particular had no faith in pacers, he liked the Kumar’s and all like swing bowlers because mistimed top edges from them didnt fly for sixes.

 

[Major]

Throwback to when joshila was going gaga over umran malik....

 

[Sachin fan]

If pakistan bowlers were desperate for something, they might win more matches against stronger teams.

 

[Ab Fan]

150-160 kmph speeds are pointless. It is asking to get hit by batsman who plays short ball well. At international level, most top players play short ball well. Haris Rauf getting smashed by Verma and Dube in Finals is perfect example of the same.

 

[just a fan]

Talking about pace Umran is still the fastest bowler in Asia

 

[kron]

150-160 kmph speeds are pointless. It is asking to get hit by batsman who plays short ball well. At international level, most top players play short ball well. Haris Rauf getting smashed by Verma and Dube in Finals is perfect example of the same.

Still bowling that quick is impressive though.
Cant see anyone beating shoaib’s 161 kmph throw ever tbh.

In saying that yes currently umran is the fastest bowler in Asia. But he sucks.

Shoaib had pace and skills.

 

[hassan918]

Talking about pace Umran is still the fastest bowler in Asia

Where and when did he bowl this fastest bowl?

 

[Sachin fan]

Still bowling that quick is impressive though.
Cant see anyone beating shoaib’s 161 kmph throw ever tbh.

In saying that yes currently umran is the fastest bowler in Asia. But he sucks.

Shoaib had pace and skills.

Nah, it's impossible to throw with a hyperextension. And his arm clearly bent backwards. You cannot bend elbow backwards, straighten, then bend elbow forward and straighten in the same action.

 

[RexRex]

Anyone what the word is on Mayank Yadav ? Is he still bowling 160kph or has he blown his arm out ?

 

[RamLakhan]

Bumrah has realized the dreams of every Indian Cricket Fan about fast bowling! We don't have any final frontiers...

 

[cricketjoshila]

No, Indian fans never looked down on pace. It's something we laced until lately. What we believed is what can be achieved with pace, similar results can be achieved with line, length and dicipline. McGrath, Pollock and Hadlee are prime examples.

The best fast bowler of thid generation isan indian not Pakistani.

 

[kron]

No, Indian fans never looked down on pace. It's something we laced until lately. What we believed is what can be achieved with pace, similar results can be achieved with line, length and dicipline. McGrath, Pollock and Hadlee are prime examples.

Pollock 6.3 but a choker and I don’t rate him high but still

McGrath 6.5

Both were tall and bouncy. Key ingredient.

So no not possible for line and length without either pace or height. Ideally a combination of both

Or if you are shorter then around 5.10 to 6 foot would be good enough if you are accurate, have skills and pace above 135 on average with good bounce as well.

Taller guy can get away with blowing 130 and still be effective. But not below 130.

Shorter guy between 5.10 to 6 foot must be 135 on average or higher otherwise it is extremely difficult to excel.

I would say a 5kmph discrepancy is fair if you compare someone under 6 foot to someone between 6 feet 3 to 6 feet 7 etc

 

[cricketjoshila]

Holding was mostly a145 kph bolwer. Not express pace. And Holding was not really a great. Roberts & Marshall were superior to him

Waqar was not exactly a test great. He was very good in cleaning up the tail which inflated his stats but his new ball skills were not that great. He was lucky to play in an era when ball tampering was not so closely monitored. In the 90s tv cameras were not so vigilant and using bottle corks was rampant. Then ICC changed the rules and made it mandatory for the umpires to take the ball during drinks break. Reverse swing disappeared overnight

Holding was express paxe and better than roberts
..

I agree with the reverse swing thing that's why pakistan hasn't produced a fast bowler who could take 200 test wicket since waqar younis

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Anyone what the word is on Mayank Yadav ? Is he still bowling 160kph or has he blown his arm out ?

last i heard, he was in Banglore Centre of Excellence doing rehab for his various injuries.....
I hope he is ok and the upcoming ODI /T20 series vs Aus would be just fantastic to try out him or even any other young upcoming pacers....

 

[kron]

Anyone what the word is on Mayank Yadav ? Is he still bowling 160kph or has he blown his arm out ?

He is rubbish. 4 over useless fodder like rauf. Atleast rauf can bowl in odi.
This guy is absolutely atrocious.

 

[BouncerGuy]

No need for 160 pace when you have skills... A bowler like Asif will be more successful than Haris Rauf or mayank, any day of the week. Look at Bumrah. He has been phenomenal with those 140-145 range...

 

[Human786]

No need for 160 pace when you have skills... A bowler like Asif will be more successful than Haris Rauf or mayank, any day of the week. Look at Bumrah. He has been phenomenal with those 140-145 range...

Bumrah is called a generational pacer by former cricketers for a reason ... Does Pakistan have any fast bowler around who can go past 200 Test wicket mark in future ?

 

[hassan918]

It seems highly unlikely that we will see a bowler crossing the 160 KPH from anywhere in the world, let alone from India. In reality, we are not getting many bowlers lately who can consistently bowling even 150 KPH.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Bumrah is called a generational pacer by former cricketers for a reason ... Does Pakistan have any fast bowler around who can go past 200 Test wicket mark in future ?

I can see only Shaheen atm only if he plays more test matches without getting dropped (based on hsi performance) But yeah. There is no one there atm

 

[Snowflake]

Because of decades of inferiority complex versus Pakistan.

 

[Mesozoic]

Because of decades of inferiority complex versus Pakistan.

Only cricketing entity that induces inferiority complex in Indians is the Australian Cricket team.

Pakistan lmao..

 

[Hellion]

Last 2 seasons of PSL, not a single Pakistani bowler has breached 150 kph.

It's a shame how the pace standards have declined in Pakistan , let alone actual bowling standards.

For a nation obsessed with pace, you should at least produced 150 kph bowlers first , even if they are completely useless like Tapiya Rauf .

 

[sweep_shot]

Umran Malik completely disappeared from the radar.

I don't think bowling 160 KMH is good because bowler can end up with many injuries. Better to bowl at 140-150 and stay fit.

 

[kron]

Umran Malik completely disappeared from the radar.

I don't think bowling 160 KMH is good because bowler can end up with many injuries. Better to bowl at 140-150 and stay fit.

Very impressive analogy

I agree completely. Bowling in tests at 140 to 150 average speed is a whole another beast

 

[RidiculousMan]

Pollock 6.3 but a choker and I don’t rate him high but still

McGrath 6.5

Both were tall and bouncy. Key ingredient.

So no not possible for line and length without either pace or height. Ideally a combination of both

Or if you are shorter then around 5.10 to 6 foot would be good enough if you are accurate, have skills and pace above 135 on average with good bounce as well.

Taller guy can get away with blowing 130 and still be effective. But not below 130.

Shorter guy between 5.10 to 6 foot must be 135 on average or higher otherwise it is extremely difficult to excel.

I would say a 5kmph discrepancy is fair if you compare someone under 6 foot to someone between 6 feet 3 to 6 feet 7 etc

Mohammad Irfan is the perfect example. Even in his last couple years of Cricket he was troubling big batters bowling at 135

 

[Varun]

I can see only Shaheen atm only if he plays more test matches without getting dropped (based on hsi performance) But yeah. There is no one there atm

Shaheen has most likely played his last test.

 

[Snowflake]

Only cricketing entity that induces inferiority complex in Indians is the Australian Cricket team.

Pakistan lmao..

Doesn't matter what you say. How the ex-cricketers and the fans have spoken about Pakistan's fast bowling decades over decades is there for all to see.

Recency bias shouldn't cloud your judgement.