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I seriously want to know the reasons. People here and at social media are claiming that all the international news agencies are spreading fake news regarding kashmir issue.

I would have accepted that if these news agencies were working for Pakistan, but they all are independent agencies.

What if these news agencies reports are true?
 
They are true.Just that some Indians are delusional but most I have seen are ignorant and believe whatever crap their government feeds them
 
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We are now re-living 1930’s history.
Brainwashing and extreme nationalism with humanity taking a back seat.
 
Al Jazeera and BBC are strongly Anti Indian. They always spread false propaganda about India and it has only increased since Modi came to power.
 
Al Jazeera and BBC are strongly Anti Indian. They always spread false propaganda about India and it has only increased since Modi came to power.

Modi is a hindu supremacist if dont see that you are either one or blind.

There is a reason why he is called butcher of gujarat, there is a reqson why he was banned from US and Uk.
 
I seriously want to know the reasons. People here and at social media are claiming that all the international news agencies are spreading fake news regarding kashmir issue.

I would have accepted that if these news agencies were working for Pakistan, but they all are independent agencies.

What if these news agencies reports are true?

What is truth? Who defines the truth?

Aljazeera, BBC or sky?

What criteria we should take when it comes to defining the truth?

Right now, you are putting yourself in a position where you have knowledge of absolute truth and hence making the assumption that Indians are wrong.

What is independent? Is news agencies are REALLY independent?
 
Just like white people in America believe cnn, msnbc and other media is fake and only Fox News is real lol. I think people will believe whatever aligns with their ideologies and because of social media these days everyone has something that caters specifically to their beliefs. I have given up on the idea of humans thinking for others besides themselves.
 
Al Jazeera doesnt have that great a reputation as its hosted in a country known for issues with Human Rights but they will never report on that.
 
What is truth? Who defines the truth?

Aljazeera, BBC or sky?

What criteria we should take when it comes to defining the truth?

Right now, you are putting yourself in a position where you have knowledge of absolute truth and hence making the assumption that Indians are wrong.

What is independent? Is news agencies are REALLY independent?

Then none of the Indian news agencies are independent either
 
Because they are sensationalizing it. It has been warzone in Kashmir for more than 40 years. Thousands and thousands of innocent lives have been lost here. I did not see BBC/Sky/Alazeera giving this many updates then.

Pellet gun hits are far better than thousands of people dying due to bomb blasts and explosions.

Why are people expecting situtation in Kashmir to be like a normal day on the beach where people are just walking, swimming and enjoying the beach.

It may get worse before it gets better that is why this extra force has been deployed to ensure casualities are minimum.

Kashmir will be just fine and it will come out of it a better Kashmir.
 
Modi is a hindu supremacist if dont see that you are either one or blind.

There is a reason why he is called butcher of gujarat, there is a reqson why he was banned from US and Uk.

He's a Hindu. Yes. A supremacist ? I don't think so. He has a great respect for his religion something the sickular Congressis never had. He has shown how much cares about the minorities by passing the triple talaq bill for the sake of Muslim women.

And with regards to Gujarat , any proof you have that he was the main man behind that ?
 
Very valid question and pretty common on social media as well. I have shared news from all sources mentioned above plus NY Times and CNN but Indians think everything is fake and what their media, Modi and government tells them is truth. In fact i had argument with few Indians about NDTV episode and no one should be surprise to know that NDTV always works for Pakistan.
 
He's a Hindu. Yes. A supremacist ? I don't think so. He has a great respect for his religion something the sickular Congressis never had. He has shown how much cares about the minorities by passing the triple talaq bill for the sake of Muslim women.

And with regards to Gujarat , any proof you have that he was the main man behind that ?

Your bias is clearly been shown?

Why was he banned from USa and UK? Who gave him the name butcher of Gujarat.

Pulwarma, he killed his own people so he would get votes. Sickening....
 
Reuters is good.. Al Jazeera for obvious reasons I don’t believe in, eventhough NY times or Guardian are biased against India they are still independent imo and atleast I respect them..

From India I respect Fountain ink, but since they are a magazine we got to wait for a month to see what they say.
 
Then none of the Indian news agencies are independent either

There are circumstances where you'll have to chose the lesser evil. Being in a state that was once similar to kashmir with separatist movement, I understand the scenario where media might pull out the plug in certain things.

It's not due to the fact that there is an agenda behind it. But in such a tensed situation, even a simple clash might trigger a chain reaction where thousands of lives might be lost.

This won't be a smooth transition. Government knows it, people know it. This isn't the first time that a state is transitioned like this. It is only in focus because it is a dispute land between India, Pakistan and a section of current kashmiris.

As time will progress, people will come out of this agitation once they see how it actually benefits them and how they soon can compare with other states of India be it in terms of industry, education, financial or any other sector. With the upliftment of the society, these type of movements will get faded.

But it won't happen on a day. There will be casualties here and there as it has happened in other states of India in past. None the less, though the present may not paint a bright scenario, coming from similar situation, an Indian can say that future is bright.
 
There are circumstances where you'll have to chose the lesser evil. Being in a state that was once similar to kashmir with separatist movement, I understand the scenario where media might pull out the plug in certain things.

It's not due to the fact that there is an agenda behind it. But in such a tensed situation, even a simple clash might trigger a chain reaction where thousands of lives might be lost.

This won't be a smooth transition. Government knows it, people know it. This isn't the first time that a state is transitioned like this. It is only in focus because it is a dispute land between India, Pakistan and a section of current kashmiris.

As time will progress, people will come out of this agitation once they see how it actually benefits them and how they soon can compare with other states of India be it in terms of industry, education, financial or any other sector. With the upliftment of the society, these type of movements will get faded.

But it won't happen on a day. There will be casualties here and there as it has happened in other states of India in past. None the less, though the present may not paint a bright scenario, coming from similar situation, an Indian can say that future is bright.

So the plan is to starve the people out and not let them continue with their normal day to day lives.

Brilliant strategy.
 
Reuters is good.. Al Jazeera for obvious reasons I don’t believe in, eventhough NY times or Guardian are biased against India they are still independent imo and atleast I respect them..

From India I respect Fountain ink, but since they are a magazine we got to wait for a month to see what they say.

lol..the guardian is the most pro india rag in the uk..the telegraph too..the bbc are pro india too..one of their largest foreing bureaus is in delhi..

ziyada bakwaas kurnay ki zarrorat nahin hay...the majority of the western media is always pro India thats why your all on your high horses citing "the world thinks this and that" when something happens between pakistan and India..ub thori si tankeed and your crying?

the fact is your govt i a racist fascist govt and even the west cant fudge this into some fake shining india bakwaas..
 
Curfews are not imposed to suppress civilians. :facepalm:

They are imposed to save their lives.

save the kashmiris from what and whom? if the curfew was for their benefit who were the might indians trying to save them from?
 
Have you ever lived under a curfew?

anyone on here from karachi has lived under a curfew at some point..this is unprecedented..its not a normal curfew..its a military lockdown..more like an occupation..
 
lol..the guardian is the most pro india rag in the uk..the telegraph too..the bbc are pro india too..one of their largest foreing bureaus is in delhi..

ziyada bakwaas kurnay ki zarrorat nahin hay...the majority of the western media is always pro India thats why your all on your high horses citing "the world thinks this and that" when something happens between pakistan and India..ub thori si tankeed and your crying?

the fact is your govt i a racist fascist govt and even the west cant fudge this into some fake shining india bakwaas..

BBC is pro when Congress is in power not others... Congress does have soft power around these publications or maybe English publications likes socialist semi socialist govns.

Guardian is defn not pro India ,even during times of Congress it took regular digs which as I said is fair, I remember a thread discussing that long ago on Guardian's articles,

Also am not crying about anything as i said above they are independent, your view is from Indo-Pak , my view is on general Indian news.

The govn is right wing and yeah probably bigot as well. Also 'Shining India' campaign was a BJP election slogan for 2004 ,where BJP lost...
 
anyone on here from karachi has lived under a curfew at some point..this is unprecedented..its not a normal curfew..its a military lockdown..more like an occupation..

Assam where i think he is from had 29 years of AFSPA, its not the same as "city" curfews.
 
Add Washington Post to the list too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...13f93e-ba06-11e9-8e83-4e6687e99814_story.html

International media is filled with fake news apparently. Funnily Indians suggesting that what is reported in international media is false but they cannot comprehend their statement as there is a blackout in in the area and even they dont know what is right or wrong but international media is wrong.
 
anyone on here from karachi has lived under a curfew at some point..this is unprecedented..its not a normal curfew..its a military lockdown..more like an occupation..

I was a pre-teen when Mush did his coup and there was curfew in Karachi. It was only for a day but I still remember the urgency that my parents were showing like it happened yesterday.


Here the pathetic, Nazi Indian government has had a curfew for a week.
 
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This is a country that whole heartedly believed that a 1950s Soviet jet downed a top of the line F-16 and even had all of its missiles intact. Even though every single world media and news report has refuted their claim. Pathetic delusional nation.
 
Add Washington Post to the list too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...13f93e-ba06-11e9-8e83-4e6687e99814_story.html

International media is filled with fake news apparently. Funnily Indians suggesting that what is reported in international media is false but they cannot comprehend their statement as there is a blackout in in the area and even they dont know what is right or wrong but international media is wrong.
Have heard of something called "hacking"? A typical brainwashed Indian reply.
 
We are now re-living 1930’s history.
Brainwashing and extreme nationalism with humanity taking a back seat.

This . Seems like human behavior can still be manipulated even with information is on your fingertips. Apparently all it takes is information overload from all directions and people just pick the news that's compatible with their world view. Us humans are lazy and easily manipulated . SMH
 
I'm just interested on Indian viewpoints on specific reasons they think these independent news agencies are bias on Kashmir issue barring Al Jazeera.

Why would BBC , Reuters , Washington Post etc sensationalize this news.

Many Indians themselves say they won the PR war on Kashmir so What exactly is the argument ? You can't just claim bias when it's not what you would've liked to hear. Is there some specific agenda against India by these agencies?. Certainly can't be a pro Pakistan agenda no one outside cares about Kashmir issue or about Muslims. So aren't they just reporting the accurate picture in kashmir?
 
They're all liars and propagandists. Except Hindustan Times and The Hindu, the paragons of truth and righteousness. :)))
 
Was going to reply to this on another thread, where one poster was making many lame excuses how videos are doctored or made in POK. Glad this topic has its own thread.


It's all propaganda against India the whole world is against them and everyone is making a big deal.

What's the big deal if they opress people in the people's own land? No big deal there's a internet blackout. No big deal if treaty's are broken. No big deal the article which was one of the conditions Kashmir was acceded to Indians is broken. No big deal if live rounds are fired in the air in presence of large crowds. No big deal innocents are shot with pellets. No big deal people are on curfew and can't leave to get basic needs. No big deal outside media is not allowed to report of conditions inside Kashmir. No big deal family members can't check if their loved ones are fine. No big deal people are refused medical treatment. None of it is a big deal but the evil world is spewing this agenda and hatred against India.


As you know all the foreign media/news journalists have a agenda and motive against India.

BBC and Reuters: These two are British and you know the history of British empire and India.

Al Jazeera: Muslim brotherhood enough said!

CNN: Trump+Khan+Taliban= Afghanistan.


If you wanna see unbiased unfiltered undoctored honest media/news/journalism please tune in to arnab goswami. You will first hand see all the good India is doing in Kashmir. Ajit doval handing out biryani and sweets to each and every Kashmiri individually. Also you will see how 600,000 plus soldiers are dressed as clowns just to entertain the Kashmiri people.
 
No because curfews aren't implement here. Civil rights are respected.

Unlike in IOK.

then you have no idea how the foods, and other basic aspects are served to the people in the area where is curfew/lockdown. And here, i am not even talking about IPC 144 rather, a complete lockdown. It isn't unique to kashmir only but it also is imposed in several other states time to time when the circumstances calls.
 
The only great man who can predict the future is here -

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A most painful & savage response is being built.<br>Let the RSS goons laugh for now....soon they will cry out in pain.<br>The tiger has woken up....! <br>Modi has done the biggest blunder of his life....triggered their ultimate nightmare -- "Ghazwae Hind"....!!!<br>. <a href="https://t.co/2NHwurlzQt">pic.twitter.com/2NHwurlzQt</a></p>— Zaid Hamid (@ZaidZamanHamid) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/1160094493443526657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Please don't forget the New York Times:

New York Times: Pakistan Runs Out of Options as India Tightens Grip on Kashmir

...when India stripped the Indian-controlled region of Kashmir of its autonomy this week, Pakistan’s reaction appeared to be limited to high-level hand-wringing.

...Its economy is teetering on the brink of collapse, and its international allies have either stayed silent over Kashmir or defected in support of India.

...one of the most effective strategies Pakistan has traditionally employed — using an array of militant groups as proxies to keep neighbors in check — has become a liability, amid the threat of international sanctions.

...Even Afghan Taliban leaders, who have long been sheltered in Pakistan, seem to have turned their backs on their ally of late.

...Muslim nations have usually supported Pakistan’s claims on Kashmir. But with their own economic and political troubles at home, many have tilted toward India, looking to secure lucrative deals with the ascending economic power.

The biggest blow came from the influential United Arab Emirates, which stated that Kashmir was an internal matter for India, withdrawing any support to raise the issue internationally.

...Mr. Khan had returned from a visit to the White House where he met with Mr. Trump, who promised to intervene on Kashmir. But India’s swift action days later to strip Kashmir of its autonomy plunged Pakistan back into isolation.

“The U.S. has again let us down, and those who were starry-eyed about the American trip have got a wake-up call,” Senator Mushahid Hussain said in a speech this week.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/w...-pakistan.html
 
anyone on here from karachi has lived under a curfew at some point..this is unprecedented..its not a normal curfew..its a military lockdown..more like an occupation..

In order to keep the system under controller, even a complete lockdown may be required from time to time. As i have said earlier, separatist movement isn't unique to kashmir in case of india. Other states also has faced such scenario in past. It isn't occupation. It is to mitigate further casualties.
 
Whatever happens no one and I mean no one believes the shoddy Indian narrative, be it their extreme right wing government or their awful media (they have no access to Kashmir anyway).

We can believe what we are seeing in the age of digital media. They can’t spin this anymore in this age when phones can show us what is happening.
The BBC despite its shortcomings is still fairly decent actually compared to the rest.

20 years ago when protesters were gunned down in cold blood all we had was witness accounts with Amnesty international writing their reports months later. No more so the BJP spin machine and the media may deceive the Indian public but not anyone else outside it.
 
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Please don't forget the New York Times:

New York Times: Pakistan Runs Out of Options as India Tightens Grip on Kashmir

...when India stripped the Indian-controlled region of Kashmir of its autonomy this week, Pakistan’s reaction appeared to be limited to high-level hand-wringing.

...Its economy is teetering on the brink of collapse, and its international allies have either stayed silent over Kashmir or defected in support of India.

...one of the most effective strategies Pakistan has traditionally employed — using an array of militant groups as proxies to keep neighbors in check — has become a liability, amid the threat of international sanctions.

...Even Afghan Taliban leaders, who have long been sheltered in Pakistan, seem to have turned their backs on their ally of late.

...Muslim nations have usually supported Pakistan’s claims on Kashmir. But with their own economic and political troubles at home, many have tilted toward India, looking to secure lucrative deals with the ascending economic power.

The biggest blow came from the influential United Arab Emirates, which stated that Kashmir was an internal matter for India, withdrawing any support to raise the issue internationally.

...Mr. Khan had returned from a visit to the White House where he met with Mr. Trump, who promised to intervene on Kashmir. But India’s swift action days later to strip Kashmir of its autonomy plunged Pakistan back into isolation.

“The U.S. has again let us down, and those who were starry-eyed about the American trip have got a wake-up call,” Senator Mushahid Hussain said in a speech this week.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/w...-pakistan.html

nyt is telling truth but al jazeera bbc sky are lying.
 
Please don't forget the New York Times:

New York Times: Pakistan Runs Out of Options as India Tightens Grip on Kashmir

...when India stripped the Indian-controlled region of Kashmir of its autonomy this week, Pakistan’s reaction appeared to be limited to high-level hand-wringing.

...Its economy is teetering on the brink of collapse, and its international allies have either stayed silent over Kashmir or defected in support of India.

...one of the most effective strategies Pakistan has traditionally employed — using an array of militant groups as proxies to keep neighbors in check — has become a liability, amid the threat of international sanctions.

...Even Afghan Taliban leaders, who have long been sheltered in Pakistan, seem to have turned their backs on their ally of late.

...Muslim nations have usually supported Pakistan’s claims on Kashmir. But with their own economic and political troubles at home, many have tilted toward India, looking to secure lucrative deals with the ascending economic power.

The biggest blow came from the influential United Arab Emirates, which stated that Kashmir was an internal matter for India, withdrawing any support to raise the issue internationally.

...Mr. Khan had returned from a visit to the White House where he met with Mr. Trump, who promised to intervene on Kashmir. But India’s swift action days later to strip Kashmir of its autonomy plunged Pakistan back into isolation.

“The U.S. has again let us down, and those who were starry-eyed about the American trip have got a wake-up call,” Senator Mushahid Hussain said in a speech this week.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/w...-pakistan.html



Photos Emerge From Kashmir, a Land on Lockdown

NEW DELHI — For most of the past week, the entire Kashmir Valley, home to about eight million people, has been put on virtual house arrest.

Indian soldiers rolled in by the tens of thousands. They barricaded roads, closed schools, took positions on rooftops and cut off the internet, mobile phone service and even landlines, rendering the valley mostly incommunicado. At gunpoint, residents were ordered to stay inside their homes.

The Indian government says these measures, in place since Sunday night, are necessary to keep law and order. Human rights activists have likened them to mass incarceration.

This week, India’s Hindu nationalist government jolted the region by erasing the autonomy of the one Muslim-majority state in India, Jammu and Kashmir, which includes the Kashmir Valley. India knew this move would be deeply unpopular in the valley so they chose to lock it down.

Despite the crackdown, protests have erupted. On Friday, the unrest continued, gunshots rang out and foreign journalists continued to be barred from entering Kashmir without permission. These pictures are some of the first images to emerge, taken by Indian photographers who managed to work around the communication blockade and the miles of razor wire to take and publish their images.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/world/asia/kashmir-photos-india.html
 
Who says they’re lying? I didn’t read all the reports but did they say that people are being massacred in Kashmir under the curfew? People here were talking about the atrocities of the army but now you have a problem with a curfew in a situation like this? If they hadn’t done it, something far worse would have happened (which is probably what some of you guys wanted so that you can scream about the atrocities of the army yet again). Although it was executed with near perfect manoeuvres, it’s still a big decision. Curfew is not an option, but a necessity. And if my understanding is correct, the restrictions are being eased.

And what is the source of information for these foreign news outlets? Mostly Indians! So if you can believe the Indian who is updating CNN, you should believe the Indians saying that normalcy is returning. Some of you guys are just disappointed that’s it.
 
Simple truth - nobody cares about the liberal news agencies these days - they may scream at the top of the lungs but they hold no sway over elected nationalist governments & the people who elected them in power. And to some extent it is the media itself which has contributed to the mess - with their oft biased, partisan reporting.

So even if BBC, Sky, etc might be telling the truth, they cannot dictate foreign policy to the government which is based on more practical reasons like trade, economic or political value. A reason why even the sole savior of liberal rights - Canada is silent on Kashmir today.

No media could influence policy on Palestine & they cannot do anything about Kashmir too.
 
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Who says they’re lying? I didn’t read all the reports but did they say that people are being massacred in Kashmir under the curfew? People here were talking about the atrocities of the army but now you have a problem with a curfew in a situation like this? If they hadn’t done it, something far worse would have happened (which is probably what some of you guys wanted so that you can scream about the atrocities of the army yet again). Although it was executed with near perfect manoeuvres, it’s still a big decision. Curfew is not an option, but a necessity. And if my understanding is correct, the restrictions are being eased.

And what is the source of information for these foreign news outlets? Mostly Indians! So if you can believe the Indian who is updating CNN, you should believe the Indians saying that normalcy is returning. Some of you guys are just disappointed that’s it.

I think you are misreading into the concerns here. The concern is that we don't know what is happening in the valley, it could either be peaceful right now or there are casualties happening. Since it is a blackout on communication which in itself counts as human rights violation we have no input as to what is happening and therefore paints a dark picture in our heads.

The only bleak bits of information that we are receiving from international media outlets are suggesting that some atrocities are happening such as people facing difficulties in getting medicine, food, disinformation in the society and now reports of tear gases and live rounds. In this climate we have all the reason to worry as to what is happening and you are suggesting that curfew is necessary?

If Indians believe that curfew is necessary then they are conceding the fact that people of Kashmir is against their status being revoked. This means that this act was not democratic and infact dictatorial. Therefore, you are admitting Indian Government has a dictator like setup in Kashmir where human rights violations are necessary.
 
Add NYT and Bloomberg in the list because now they are under attack too by indian cyber bullies for publishing today's report and editorial on Kashmir...
 
Add NYT and Bloomberg in the list because now they are under attack too by indian cyber bullies for publishing today's report and editorial on Kashmir...

BBC were under heavy attack for that video earlier. The cyber-army was insistent that it was filmed in "POK".

I think some backed off a bit when further proof was presented.
 
BBC were under heavy attack for that video earlier. The cyber-army was insistent that it was filmed in "POK".

I think some backed off a bit when further proof was presented.

Yea they released more evidence and some are gone into hiding while the rest are now abusing them :))
 
The timing of this decision will backfire on Modi. This is a time when Taliban has been bought onto the table for peace talks with US and as read earlier the peace treaty has already been drafted and would be signed in next couple of days, perhaps to mark the occassion of Eid this will happen.

I'm very sure once the treaty is signed there will be a lot of media coverage and Trump would be beating his drums really loud and in his speech he would be thankful to Pakistan as well. Pakistan at the center of the peace talks will get international media coverage too. And this time we have Imran at helm who is an excellent ambassador and media loves him. He would take this opportunity to raise this Kashmir concern on a larger scale with international audience. Together with international coverage underway and hopefully Imran pressing this concern internationally too soon, I certainly believe this conflict would get a lot of international coverage that it deserves.

Like 27th Feb, this might not end well for India in terms of optics.
 
Insecurity

Indians know their history, ruled over by various people , having no real empire in modern history and being a 3rd world nation. They are now told they will become a superpower, have a seat at the UNSC and rule the world of cricket etc.

They are a deluded nationalist bunch with no real self confidence so will hang to any fantasy of them being important in the world.

Their own government has openly lied to them many times and their PM is as idoitic as you can get but they will continue to support them because they want to feel important.

Interestingly they are quiet as a mouse abroad around other ethnicities. There are some honest and decent Indians but most are very very strange.

They have been shown videos but still wont admit the situation is very bad, this is the level of delusion they have.
 
BBC were under heavy attack for that video earlier. The cyber-army was insistent that it was filmed in "POK".

I think some backed off a bit when further proof was presented.
They are either too gullible or just flat out ignorant fools. The fact that this thread exists is a damning statement on 1.3 billion people.

Read some of the replies on Twitter to these videos. All you can do is shake your head and pray for the Kashmiris, to have their future determined by these fools :facepalm:

P.S. Before any Modi bakht inevitably jumps on this, please keep Pakistan away from your reply as there's no mention of my country in this post.
 
I think you are misreading into the concerns here. The concern is that we don't know what is happening in the valley, it could either be peaceful right now or there are casualties happening. Since it is a blackout on communication which in itself counts as human rights violation we have no input as to what is happening and therefore paints a dark picture in our heads.

The only bleak bits of information that we are receiving from international media outlets are suggesting that some atrocities are happening such as people facing difficulties in getting medicine, food, disinformation in the society and now reports of tear gases and live rounds. In this climate we have all the reason to worry as to what is happening and you are suggesting that curfew is necessary?

If Indians believe that curfew is necessary then they are conceding the fact that people of Kashmir is against their status being revoked. This means that this act was not democratic and infact dictatorial. Therefore, you are admitting Indian Government has a dictator like setup in Kashmir where human rights violations are necessary.

Well, I’m not sure if it’s 100% peaceful there now. I believe protests did take place and they had to be driven away. What I can tell you though is that the situation could have been far worse if curfew had not been imposed. Hence the view that curfew is actually necessary. Even with curfew in place stone pelting does happen.

The entire population of Kashmir didn’t go to the streets to protest. I’ll admit that there is a sizeable number who don’t want to be with India. But there are quite a few who see the decision to kick 370 out, a good one. I remember posting here about the large number of people in Kashmir who just want to lead peaceful lives with their families. They haven’t been able to do it for decades. You talk as if Kashmir is some Manhattan. The state of the economy has been very poor because of the unrest and people are struggling to earn a living.

There are these privileged ones who are the beneficiaries of the tussle (including the politicians there) and they will obviously be against this move.

Me as an Indian is not ready to have an independent state in my country where 1000s of crores are injected and 100s of lives are sacrificed every year. Enough is enough. Something had to be done and I’m so happy that they made this move. I’m of the opinion that Kashmir now has a chance to become ‘normal’.
 
Well, I’m not sure if it’s 100% peaceful there now. I believe protests did take place and they had to be driven away. What I can tell you though is that the situation could have been far worse if curfew had not been imposed. Hence the view that curfew is actually necessary. Even with curfew in place stone pelting does happen.

The entire population of Kashmir didn’t go to the streets to protest. I’ll admit that there is a sizeable number who don’t want to be with India. But there are quite a few who see the decision to kick 370 out, a good one. I remember posting here about the large number of people in Kashmir who just want to lead peaceful lives with their families. They haven’t been able to do it for decades. You talk as if Kashmir is some Manhattan. The state of the economy has been very poor because of the unrest and people are struggling to earn a living.

There are these privileged ones who are the beneficiaries of the tussle (including the politicians there) and they will obviously be against this move.

Me as an Indian is not ready to have an independent state in my country where 1000s of crores are injected and 100s of lives are sacrificed every year. Enough is enough. Something had to be done and I’m so happy that they made this move. I’m of the opinion that Kashmir now has a chance to become ‘normal’.

I'm slightly concerned with your response. Kashmir's current status is that of a jail right now the largest jail of the world where the entire Kashmir is barricaded with blatant human rights violations and your suggestion is that this is 'necessary'.

Also I couldn't quite grasp the bolded part. A protest needs to be "driven away". Peaceful demonstrations are basic human rights of an individual under democratic laws. Are you accepting that dictatorial laws are applicable for Kashmir where protests are not allowed and voices are suppressed?
 
I'm slightly concerned with your response. Kashmir's current status is that of a jail right now the largest jail of the world where the entire Kashmir is barricaded with blatant human rights violations and your suggestion is that this is 'necessary'.

Also I couldn't quite grasp the bolded part. A protest needs to be "driven away". Peaceful demonstrations are basic human rights of an individual under democratic laws. Are you accepting that dictatorial laws are applicable for Kashmir where protests are not allowed and voices are suppressed?

People throwing stones and projectiles at the police is not peaceful. Just imagine what would happen if someone throws a rock at a cop in the US, that again is a democracy. That stone pelting miscreant is shot dead right then and there.
 
People throwing stones and projectiles at the police is not peaceful. Just imagine what would happen if someone throws a rock at a cop in the US, that again is a democracy. That stone pelting miscreant is shot dead right then and there.

Its been a whole week and you still cant get into your head, India doesn't own Kashmir, it's disupted land. People under occupation can throw rocks or shoot invaders as is their right. If a US cop went into Mexico and pointed a gun, he would be shot and lynched, rightly so.

Why are you so slow, genuine question?
 
I'm slightly concerned with your response. Kashmir's current status is that of a jail right now the largest jail of the world where the entire Kashmir is barricaded with blatant human rights violations and your suggestion is that this is 'necessary'.

Also I couldn't quite grasp the bolded part. A protest needs to be "driven away". Peaceful demonstrations are basic human rights of an individual under democratic laws. Are you accepting that dictatorial laws are applicable for Kashmir where protests are not allowed and voices are suppressed?

What do you mean when you say that the entire ‘Kashmir is barricaded’? Things are slowly getting back to normal. And yes when you have serious security concern, drastic steps will have to be taken. It’s a step taken in the interest of the people of Kashmir as well. You seem to be missing this point.

And no, demonstrations of any kind are not allowed when curfew is declared. Any gathering of people is a potential security threat.
 
People throwing stones and projectiles at the police is not peaceful. Just imagine what would happen if someone throws a rock at a cop in the US, that again is a democracy. That stone pelting miscreant is shot dead right then and there.

If there are no army/police there on whom would these stones be pelted towards? Food for thought. Why is there such a large presence of army as I know the ratio is valley is 8:1 at the moment. This is the most militarised area of the world. Is the biggest force of army present there to stop protests or more likely to start ehnic cleansing? I don't know the answer because I cannot see what is happening there, I cannot see because the State of India has officially blacked it out to everyone.

It is human nature, you fear something you cannot see. I can only trust something that I can see and until then the State of India is in the wrong here.
 
What do you mean when you say that the entire ‘Kashmir is barricaded’? Things are slowly getting back to normal. And yes when you have serious security concern, drastic steps will have to be taken. It’s a step taken in the interest of the people of Kashmir as well. You seem to be missing this point.

And no, demonstrations of any kind are not allowed when curfew is declared. Any gathering of people is a potential security threat.

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A bit like Modi thinking clouds obstruct radar.
 
What do you mean when you say that the entire ‘Kashmir is barricaded’? Things are slowly getting back to normal. And yes when you have serious security concern, drastic steps will have to be taken. It’s a step taken in the interest of the people of Kashmir as well. You seem to be missing this point.

And no, demonstrations of any kind are not allowed when curfew is declared. Any gathering of people is a potential security threat.

I don't understand what you mean by serious security threat here. Are you suggesting an incident like Pulwama might happen again, so if that is the case you are accepting that Pulwama had nothing to do with Pakistan?

When you say curfew, how long does that curfew needs to last before it becomes violations of basic rights?

When I say 'barricaded', I meant the access, communication, internet, etc is blocked in the valley. We dont know if people requiring medicines are receiving them, we dont know if there is food shortages for children, etc. I say this because that part of India is blocked from rest of the world, hence barricaded.
 
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A bit like Modi thinking clouds obstruct radar.

He is an Indian Muslim... has to be overzealous in his patriotism otherwise he won't qualify for a mortgage or worse the Hindutvas may congregate outside his house forcing him to chant Jaye Shankar Ram or whatever it is
 
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A bit like Modi thinking clouds obstruct radar.

So you’re one of those guys who is against the curfew and want to see a clash between the separatists and the army, resulting in many deaths. How can you be so cruel!
 
He is an Indian Muslim... has to be overzealous in his patriotism otherwise he won't qualify for a mortgage or worse the Hindutvas may congregate outside his house forcing him to chant Jaye Shankar Ram or whatever it is

I’m just stating my opinion as someone who has been to Kashmir. The situation is really bad. Most people just want peace in the valley and a decent life. This move will hopefully get them both.
 
Insecurity

Indians know their history, ruled over by various people , having no real empire in modern history and being a 3rd world nation. They are now told they will become a superpower, have a seat at the UNSC and rule the world of cricket etc.

They are a deluded nationalist bunch with no real self confidence so will hang to any fantasy of them being important in the world.

Their own government has openly lied to them many times and their PM is as idoitic as you can get but they will continue to support them because they want to feel important.

Interestingly they are quiet as a mouse abroad around other ethnicities. There are some honest and decent Indians but most are very very strange.

They have been shown videos but still wont admit the situation is very bad, this is the level of delusion they have.

I think you are talking about pakistan here.

Except the super power, unsc seat and world cricket part.
 
I think you are talking about pakistan here.

Except the super power, unsc seat and world cricket part.

India will never be a superpower or have a seat at the UNSC. You might win another world cup in cricket, so remain hopeful.

I will prove my point right now.

Do you believe Modi when he mentioned clouds, radar, emails, digital photos?
 
Please stop over binging on Zaid Hamid videos :)

I haven't watched a Zaid Hamid video in decades. Nobody in Pakistan gives him any importance, he doesnt even get airtime in mainstream media. Obviously across the border Hindutva extremists are not only government they are in the mainstream media and part of the public narrative.
 
Very valid question and pretty common on social media as well. I have shared news from all sources mentioned above plus NY Times and CNN but Indians think everything is fake and what their media, Modi and government tells them is truth. In fact i had argument with few Indians about NDTV episode and no one should be surprise to know that NDTV always works for Pakistan.

Have always wondered why Indians regularly give it a prefix 'r' on social media: rNDTV.
 
People throwing stones and projectiles at the police is not peaceful. Just imagine what would happen if someone throws a rock at a cop in the US, that again is a democracy. That stone pelting miscreant is shot dead right then and there.

Its been a whole week and you still cant get into your head, India doesn't own Kashmir, it's disupted land. People under occupation can throw rocks or shoot invaders as is their right. If a US cop went into Mexico and pointed a gun, he would be shot and lynched, rightly so.

Why are you so slow, genuine question?

Yes its been a week since article 370 was revoked by the Indian Parliament and signed on by the President of India. Indian Kashmir is now an integral part of India and a Union territory of India.

Well played Pakistan. India is the winner.

Time for both Pakistan and India as great nations of the world to work together toward mutual cooperation and prosperity.
 
The timing of this decision will backfire on Modi. This is a time when Taliban has been bought onto the table for peace talks with US and as read earlier the peace treaty has already been drafted and would be signed in next couple of days, perhaps to mark the occassion of Eid this will happen.

I'm very sure once the treaty is signed there will be a lot of media coverage and Trump would be beating his drums really loud and in his speech he would be thankful to Pakistan as well. Pakistan at the center of the peace talks will get international media coverage too. And this time we have Imran at helm who is an excellent ambassador and media loves him. He would take this opportunity to raise this Kashmir concern on a larger scale with international audience. Together with international coverage underway and hopefully Imran pressing this concern internationally too soon, I certainly believe this conflict would get a lot of international coverage that it deserves.

Like 27th Feb, this might not end well for India in terms of optics.

Don't act surprised if after the US exits Afghanistan, the Afghan Taliban takes a sharp turn AGAINST Pakistan. There is STRONG chatter within the international security/diplomatic circles that there is an imminent fear of this happening. In other words increased attacks within Pakistani territory.

I for one hope such attacks never happen, anywhere.
 
Don't act surprised if after the US exits Afghanistan, the Afghan Taliban takes a sharp turn AGAINST Pakistan. There is STRONG chatter within the international security/diplomatic circles that there is an imminent fear of this happening. In other words increased attacks within Pakistani territory.

I for one hope such attacks never happen, anywhere.

What has your post got to do with Kashmir situation or international media coverage?

I was simply pointing out an opportunity that Imran would have if the Afghan peace talks are successful. He would be at the center of international media attention again and knowing him he would raise Kashmir issue strongly than ever to garner maximum coverage across the world.
 
Who says they’re lying? I didn’t read all the reports but did they say that people are being massacred in Kashmir under the curfew? People here were talking about the atrocities of the army but now you have a problem with a curfew in a situation like this? If they hadn’t done it, something far worse would have happened (which is probably what some of you guys wanted so that you can scream about the atrocities of the army yet again). Although it was executed with near perfect manoeuvres, it’s still a big decision. Curfew is not an option, but a necessity. And if my understanding is correct, the restrictions are being eased.

And what is the source of information for these foreign news outlets? Mostly Indians! So if you can believe the Indian who is updating CNN, you should believe the Indians saying that normalcy is returning. Some of you guys are just disappointed that’s it.

That is precisely what I have seen on this forum. A shrill cry by Pakistani members that what is underway in Kashmir is a 'genocide' of historic proportions worse than the concentration camps of Nazi Germany. The palpable excitement when coming up on anything negative about the prevailing situation in Kashmir, however dubious or fake the source may be. And increasingly, a sense of disappointed resignation that the much fear mongered butchering of Kashmiris by the thousands, at the hands of the Indian security forces during these past few days hasn't really materialized.

And these are the so called 'well wishers' of Kashmiris.
 
The only great man who can predict the future is here -

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A most painful & savage response is being built.<br>Let the RSS goons laugh for now....soon they will cry out in pain.<br>The tiger has woken up....! <br>Modi has done the biggest blunder of his life....triggered their ultimate nightmare -- "Ghazwae Hind"....!!!<br>. <a href="https://t.co/2NHwurlzQt">pic.twitter.com/2NHwurlzQt</a></p>— Zaid Hamid (@ZaidZamanHamid) <a href="https://twitter.com/ZaidZamanHamid/status/1160094493443526657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 10, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is serious dude. As per Nostrabogus' not so subtly named book "Book of future things", he professed that India under a hindu ruler will lose the Red fort in Delhi. Fighters from all over the world will descend upon India during the week long "Purge" incorporated by GOI based on the famous movie "The Purge" in the year 2033. All Indian soldiers will be given holidays during that week and all missiles will be pointed south towards antarctica. One of the 7 heroes groomed since 2008 by the enemy will take a rope long enough and climb the Red Fort thereby forcing the Indians to concede the and handover India. This prophecy is called "Reddish Hindi" which when translated means Ghazwae Hind!!! Then they all go to Israel and capture that during their Purge week.
 
That is precisely what I have seen on this forum. A shrill cry by Pakistani members that what is underway in Kashmir is a 'genocide' of historic proportions worse than the concentration camps of Nazi Germany. The palpable excitement when coming up on anything negative about the prevailing situation in Kashmir, however dubious or fake the source may be. And increasingly, a sense of disappointed resignation that the much fear mongered butchering of Kashmiris by the thousands, at the hands of the Indian security forces during these past few days hasn't really materialized.

And these are the so called 'well wishers' of Kashmiris.

Lol.

Bhakths and hindutva are really good at twisting the reality.
 
We will once we get rid of the seeds of violence planted by a country in our neighbourhood. Sufism will return.

Hindutva, heard of it?

Violence against occupation is justified, ask your ancestors.
 
This is serious dude. As per Nostrabogus' not so subtly named book "Book of future things", he professed that India under a hindu ruler will lose the Red fort in Delhi. Fighters from all over the world will descend upon India during the week long "Purge" incorporated by GOI based on the famous movie "The Purge" in the year 2033. All Indian soldiers will be given holidays during that week and all missiles will be pointed south towards antarctica. One of the 7 heroes groomed since 2008 by the enemy will take a rope long enough and climb the Red Fort thereby forcing the Indians to concede the and handover India. This prophecy is called "Reddish Hindi" which when translated means Ghazwae Hind!!! Then they all go to Israel and capture that during their Purge week.

Good lord! At first I thought that you were just joking because I couldn't believe anyone would make a propaganda movie so ridiculous.

And lo and behold, what do I find? That what you wrote is what seems to be there inside this Pakistani propaganda movie apparently made jointly by Zaid Hamid and ISPR of the Pakistan Army (the ISPR logo shows up on several images of this video).

By the way Zaid Hamid hobnobs with the Pakistan Army Chief and Air Fore Chief regularly. I wouldnt have ever believed that a clown propagandist like him could get audience at will, with the Army Chief and Airforce chief of any professional military, but apparently he does. He is a very close personal friend of the Pakistani Air Chief. The two of them are shown chilling together like close buddies in some of his videos, to my utter disbelief! From time to time I do watch his videos, as they are my favorite comedy videos on the net.

In a video released in 2008/2009 he had predicted that Pakistan will be the single most powerful superpower on the planet, in six years from then (which would be 2014/15). And such a powerful superpower, that the president of the US would first call Pakistan to seek permission before they take any decision. "USA ka president Pakistan to phone karega or poochega, 'Hey Pakistan, hum yeh karna chaahte hein. Kya aap hume ijaazat doge? ("The US president will call Pakistan and request, 'Hey Pakistan we care considering doing xyz, may we have your permission please?"). Similary UN Secretary General was predicted by Zaid Hamid to bow down and seek permission of Pakistan for everything.

2015 has come and gone. Today the Pakistan PM is doing the rounds of Saudi, UAE, Qatar, China requesting for bailout funds.

Such is the brilliance of this foremost Pakistani geo political strategist who hobnobs regularly with the Pakistani Army Chief and Pakistani Air Chief, and openly offers them Ghazwa-e-Hind advise.

May God have mercy on all of us, Indians and Pakistanis, since this clown Zaid Hamid is a trusted security strategist advising both the Pakistan Army Chief and Air Force Chief. And Pakistan has nuclear weapons.
 
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Same reason why we dismiss these agencies when they criticize Imran Khan and the military establishment in Pakistan.
 
Same reason why we dismiss these agencies when they criticize Imran Khan and the military establishment in Pakistan.

So you are inferring that these news agencies carry same weight whether the news flash is against Pakistan or India. So if they are were saying truth they are saying truth now.
 
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