Why has PCB not acknowledged Mohammad Rizwan yet?

[Kianig89]

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محمد رضوان کو وائٹ بال فارمیٹ کا کپتان بنانے کا فیصلہ

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This recommendation is not based on some sugar daddy from Peshawar Association or a lobby from parliament or infact Yazoo Group, rather its the head coach a WC winning coach Gary Kirsten who recommended him for captaincy.

 

[shamaan]

@mominsaigol can you show the stats between all keepers in tests please.

 

[mominsaigol]

@mominsaigol can you show the stats between all keepers in tests please.

Wdym? Batting stats or keeping stats as in catches and stumping.

 

[shamaan]

Wdym? Batting stats or keeping stats as in catches and stumping.

Keeping stats.

 

[mominsaigol]

Keeping stats.

Oof will take a long time. Can you just nake the format + the players you want listed? To make or easier for me?

As some players like gurbaz don't even play test etc.

Which format and which players do you want listed and I'll fetch them all over you

 

[ElRaja]

say what you want, hes the technically most consistent and proficient wicket keeper pakistan have had since rashid latif. i havnt watched pak tests in a long time until today but he took some beautiful catches. the fact that he averages 40 odd is the cherry on top. im no rizzy fan boy but i hope he keeps going with gloves in tests for another 4 or 5 years.

 

[shamaan]

Oof will take a long time. Can you just nake the format + the players you want listed? To make or easier for me?

As some players like gurbaz don't even play test etc.

Which format and which players do you want listed and I'll fetch them all over you

I thought you mentioned In another thread that pant is better than rizwan and that stats proved that.I was more on about tests between the two names I have mentioned.

 

[mominsaigol]

I thought you mentioned In another thread that pant is better than rizwan and that stats proved that.I was more on about tests between the two names I have mentioned.

Okay hold on

Pant keeping stats in test

124 catches taken
14 stunpings
Most catches in an innings = 6
Most catches in one match= 11
Most dismissals in an innings = 6
Most dismissals In a match = 11
Avg rate of drop catches= 0.86 per game
No of innings total played and kept= 37 test matches total

Muhammad rizwan (Note, current test match aka today's test hasn't been updated yet)

83 catches taken
5 stumpings
Most catches in innings 4
Most catches in one match =6
Most dismissals in an innings = 4
Most dismissals in a match = 6
Avg rate of dropped catches= 0.85 per game
No of innings total played and kept= 35 test games

 

[mominsaigol]

Okay hold on

Pant keeping stats in test

124 catches taken
14 stunpings
Most catches in an innings = 6
Most catches in one match= 11
Most dismissals in an innings = 6
Most dismissals In a match = 11
Avg rate of drop catches= 0.86 per game
No of innings total played and kept= 37 test matches total

Muhammad rizwan (Note, current test match aka today's test hasn't been updated yet)

83 catches taken
5 stumpings
Most catches in innings 4
Most catches in one match =6
Most dismissals in an innings = 4
Most dismissals in a match = 6
Avg rate of dropped catches= 0.85 per game
No of innings total played and kept= 35 test games

A key thing to note on their statistics.

Both have a year identical number of drop catch rates despite Pant getting significantly more edges and knicks and catching opportunities then Rizwan during to his high number of catches and stumpings

It shows that Pant has lesser number of drops per delivery thrown at him then rizwan.

in otherwords Pant will catch 17 catches per drop while rizzu will only catch 12 catches per drop. If you do the math, Pant is 70% better then rizwan at taking catches lol.

 

[ElRaja]

A key thing to note on their statistics.

Both have a year identical number of drop catch rates despite Pant getting significantly more edges and knicks and catching opportunities then Rizwan during to his high number of catches and stumpings

It shows that Pant has lesser number of drops per delivery thrown at him then rizwan.

in otherwords Pant will catch 17 catches per drop while rizzu will only catch 12 catches per drop. If you do the math, Pant is 70% better then rizwan at taking catches lol.

impossible to qualify drops for keepers from stats, some are truly impossible, while others might be total regulation. also a more athletic keeper is likely to get closer to a tougher chance and drop it where a less athletic keeper might not even get a hand to it.

i think both keepers are world class, i cant remember the last time riz dropped a dolly like akmal or sometimes sarfu used to.

where do they record the drops btw?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

PCB always put the new captain under immense pressure to start off. Shan stumbled in Australia, Shaheen got smashed in New Zealand and now may be its Rizwan's turn to face the tough challenge in Australia. But a big positive for him that Australia won't field it's first tier playing XI

 

[mominsaigol]

impossible to qualify drops for keepers from stats, some are truly impossible, while others might be total regulation. also a more athletic keeper is likely to get closer to a tougher chance and drop it where a less athletic keeper might not even get a hand to it.

i think both keepers are world class, i cant remember the last time riz dropped a dolly like akmal or sometimes sarfu used to.

where do they record the drops btw?

The drop records are on crininfo articles. You need ai help.

You gotta get filter through matches and commentary from cricinfo and ask ai to speed it up for you. Very difficult to do.

If you wanna know the actual no, Rizzu has only dropped 12 catches in his test career and Pant has dropped 17 which is pretty good considering they've played 30+ test games.

But the only issue is that because the data is based of text comments on cricinfo, crincinfo is likely also calculating ridiculously difficult or next to impossible chances or deflections that weren't possible.

That's the only issue really, I can't filter and watch full games of each test game to determine it.

Cricinfo commentary panel fir each test game + copy pasting all of it on Gemini and asking Gemini to filter the drop word and count it is the best that can be done.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

impossible to qualify drops for keepers from stats, some are truly impossible, while others might be total regulation. also a more athletic keeper is likely to get closer to a tougher chance and drop it where a less athletic keeper might not even get a hand to it.

i think both keepers are world class, i cant remember the last time riz dropped a dolly like akmal or sometimes sarfu used to.

where do they record the drops btw?

Interestingly cricviz did an analysis a couple of years ago and Pant was amonst the worst, but so was Ben Foakes who is regarded as a really good keeper. So you could argue that perhaps the stats are skewed for the reasons you have said.

this is what they wrote about Pant ( note this is from 2021)
According to our fielding metrics, Pant’s keeping is the second worst in the world since his debut. He drops more catches than everyone other than Mushfiqur Rahim and Shane Dowrich, and costs his side more runs than almost anyone.

Ricky Ponting also called him out in 2021.

He may have improved by then but I'm not sure how much he has played post return from accident.

 

[mominsaigol]

Interestingly cricviz did an analysis a couple of years ago and Pant was amonst the worst, but so was Ben Foakes who is regarded as a really good keeper. So you could argue that perhaps the stats are skewed for the reasons you have said.

this is what they wrote about Pant ( note this is from 2021)
According to our fielding metrics, Pant’s keeping is the second worst in the world since his debut. He drops more catches than everyone other than Mushfiqur Rahim and Shane Dowrich, and costs his side more runs than almost anyone.

Ricky Ponting also called him out in 2021.

He may have improved by then but I'm not sure how much he has played post return from accident.

Pant has only dropped 17 catches in his test career and rizzu 12? I'm aware of what pointing said though. No clue why

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Pant has only dropped 17 catches in his test career and rizzu 12? I'm aware of what pointing said though. No clue why

I'm not sure how accurate your method is. It's a very good effort and a very difficult task to undertake but no doubt some will be missed or miss categorised.

 

[mominsaigol]

I'm not sure how accurate your method is. It's a very good effort and a very difficult task to undertake but no doubt some will be missed or miss categorised.

Possibly, I can't check for every factor. Very very difficult to do.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I could be wrong as it's based just on my own watching of the game and I haven't seen Pant keep as much but I think Pant is not the best keeper but his batting makes up for it big time( on song he is incredible).

Rizwan is not the best batsman ( decent though) but his keeping makes up for it. He is getting unnecessary flack at the moment. In tests he is one of the best we have had and I don't think there is anyone in domestic up to the task.

 

[ElRaja]

the only semi exhaustive analysis of drops ive seen was a few years ago, where cricinfo stated that the most dropped batsmen in test cricket was sehwag, who was dropped nearly 40% of the time.

found the article

but now i feel old cos i realise the article which was a few years ago was really eight years ago

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Well he is going to be captain of white ball format along with Agha as VC.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Well he is going to be captain of white ball format along with Agha as VC.

I think he is going to be made captain of the T20 side along with Salman ali as captain for ODIs.

PCB is searching for separate captains for each format I believe.

 

[Caved12]

Rizwan stands out as Pakistan’s best wicketkeeper-batsman, setting a standard that others need to work extremely hard to match. If anyone surpasses him in skill, they should naturally be given a chance, but at present, no one equals his contributions both with the bat and behind the stumps. Rizwan’s wicketkeeping skills are extraordinary; he's on par with, if not better than, any keeper in the world.

Beyond his technical excellence, Rizwan has a remarkable cricketing mind and enjoys great respect from his teammates, marking him as a strong leader. There's no better candidate for the captaincy of Pakistan's cricket team in all three formats. Even one challenging series does not diminish his impact, particularly in test cricket. His recent innings of 171 against Bangladesh, which could have turned into a match winning double century had it not been for an early declaration by Shan, is just one example of his resilience and potential.

 

[Rana]

Rizwan stands out as Pakistan’s best wicketkeeper-batsman, setting a standard that others need to work extremely hard to match. If anyone surpasses him in skill, they should naturally be given a chance, but at present, no one equals his contributions both with the bat and behind the stumps. Rizwan’s wicketkeeping skills are extraordinary; he's on par with, if not better than, any keeper in the world.

Beyond his technical excellence, Rizwan has a remarkable cricketing mind and enjoys great respect from his teammates, marking him as a strong leader. There's no better candidate for the captaincy of Pakistan's cricket team in all three formats. Even one challenging series does not diminish his impact, particularly in test cricket. His recent innings of 171 against Bangladesh, which could have turned into a match winning double century had it not been for an early declaration by Shan, is just one example of his resilience and potential.

Yes, absolutely remarkable he thinks it’s ok to bat at a sr of 110 as a T20 opener

And his remarkable shot selections at the most strange times, which his opponents are very thankful towards him

And his technical excellence…kya hi Kehne sir! Tendulkar, Dravid, Lara would be proud of such technical excellence…the way he plays his cover drive with both feet joint together outside leg and reaching for a ball on 6th stump!






*the next few months are going to be an absolute rollercoaster. Be ready*

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes, absolutely remarkable he thinks it’s ok to bat at a sr of 110 as a T20 opener

And his remarkable shot selections at the most strange times, which his opponents are very thankful towards him

And his technical excellence…kya hi Kehne sir! Tendulkar, Dravid, Lara would be proud of such technical excellence…the way he plays his cover drive with both feet joint together outside leg and reaching for a ball on 6th stump!






*the next few months are going to be an absolute rollercoaster. Be ready*

Rizwan, Chacha and Misbah. These 3 are the most selfish cricket players in Pakistan history.

And that's saying alot cause this is the same country which includes fixers, people who take retirement after a simple spite fight only to then take it back (Cough Afridi Cough) and much more nonsense.

Afridi, Imad, amir, umar Akmal, and heck even past players Younis Khan (2014-2015 era only when he asked to play wc knowing full well his odi career was done, and that selfish century against nz in 2014)

All these guys have had very selfish moments, but all moments were political.

When it came to playing cricket itself( Batting, Bowling, Fielding) atleast they played with their team in mind.

The 3 clowns I mentioned don't even a give a kahoot about RR? Or what situation their in.

Babar use to but not anymore apprantly .

 

[zarak]

A key thing to note on their statistics.

Both have a year identical number of drop catch rates despite Pant getting significantly more edges and knicks and catching opportunities then Rizwan during to his high number of catches and stumpings

It shows that Pant has lesser number of drops per delivery thrown at him then rizwan.

in otherwords Pant will catch 17 catches per drop while rizzu will only catch 12 catches per drop. If you do the math, Pant is 70% better then rizwan at taking catches lol.

Depends on what they are counting as drops and the types of catches. Is Rizwan dropping sitters is he taking blinders. These stats can be more descriptive. We need to look at regular chances, half chances taken, half chances dropped, sitters dropped. That way we can come up with better stats.

Putting aside his white ball performances, I think is keeping in this series has been decent. Just look at Jamie Smith. The guy made runs but literally cost his team two test matches with his keeping. Agha in the first test and then Saud.

 

[Major]

Interestingly cricviz did an analysis a couple of years ago and Pant was amonst the worst, but so was Ben Foakes who is regarded as a really good keeper. So you could argue that perhaps the stats are skewed for the reasons you have said.

this is what they wrote about Pant ( note this is from 2021)
According to our fielding metrics, Pant’s keeping is the second worst in the world since his debut. He drops more catches than everyone other than Mushfiqur Rahim and Shane Dowrich, and costs his side more runs than almost anyone.

Ricky Ponting also called him out in 2021.

He may have improved by then but I'm not sure how much he has played post return from accident.

interesting. Look i dont bother watching games of other teams, i only watch Pakistan games so i wont know about the catches xyz is dropping.

It makes me curious that those indian chamchay that are always praising every indian player, do they even watch indian matches or because their favourites in pakistan team are not getting selected?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

interesting. Look i dont bother watching games of other teams, i only watch Pakistan games so i wont know about the catches xyz is dropping.

It makes me curious that those indian chamchay that are always praising every indian player, do they even watch indian matches or because their favourites in pakistan team are not getting selected?

They way he batted and won in Australia is enough to overlook some dropped catches. He is a top batsman.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Good acknowledgement PCB,

 

[Varun]

the only semi exhaustive analysis of drops ive seen was a few years ago, where cricinfo stated that the most dropped batsmen in test cricket was sehwag, who was dropped nearly 40% of the time.

Probably because he smashed the ball so hard to the fielders.

 

[ads101]

Rizwan, Chacha and Misbah. These 3 are the most selfish cricket players in Pakistan history.

And that's saying alot cause this is the same country which includes fixers, people who take retirement after a simple spite fight only to then take it back (Cough Afridi Cough) and much more nonsense.

Afridi, Imad, amir, umar Akmal, and heck even past players Younis Khan (2014-2015 era only when he asked to play wc knowing full well his odi career was done, and that selfish century against nz in 2014)

All these guys have had very selfish moments, but all moments were political.

When it came to playing cricket itself( Batting, Bowling, Fielding) atleast they played with their team in mind.

The 3 clowns I mentioned don't even a give a kahoot about RR? Or what situation their in.

Babar use to but not anymore apprantly .

The most selfish thing you can do in cricket is fixing. You are accepting money to go against your own team. Even if you’re spot fixing, like bowling a no ball on purpose you’re still increasing the chances of opposition winning. There’s nothing more selfish than actively trying to get your team to lose.

The second most selfish thing you can do in my opinion is not get fit. You let down your team in the field, your partner running between the wickets, your team if you get injured as a result.

Both of these things are also extremely controllable. Has nothing to do with talent or ability.

 

[mominsaigol]

The most selfish thing you can do in cricket is fixing. You are accepting money to go against your own team. Even if you’re spot fixing, like bowling a no ball on purpose you’re still increasing the chances of opposition winning. There’s nothing more selfish than actively trying to get your team to lose.

The second most selfish thing you can do in my opinion is not get fit. You let down your team in the field, your partner running between the wickets, your team if you get injured as a result.

Both of these things are also extremely controllable. Has nothing to do with talent or ability.

I was talking about cricketing playstyles.

Obviously nothing beats fixing.

However if you're a healthy player like Misbah was but you were consistently a very very selfish batsmen then sorry thats unforgivable.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

A big day for Rizwan tomorrow and luckily key Aussie players not playing but bad news is that it's Perth pitch for Pakistan.

 

[Kianig89]

Pakistan team seems united , committed, determined and motivated well done Rizwan for keeping the spirits up.