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At similar stages in their careers.

Babar Azam has completed 23 T20 matches, averages a whopping 56.56, SR 125.52 and 7 fifties.

Virat Kohli, after a similar peirod (Admittedly some DNBs), he averaged far less at 37.61, sr was better slightly better at 129.44 with 5 fifties.

Not only is Azam's HS better, it is better than Kohli's to this day.

The start to this lad's career over the last 3 years or so had been remarkable.
 
Reminds me of the thread which compared Ahmad Shahzad’s ODI career start (first 30 or so matches) with Sachin’s. Or was it a tweet that Shahzad liked?
 
I guess that means Babar will also be the man of the tournament for the next two T20 WCs. And he will also score 950+ runs in the next PSL.
 
Kohli at one point was averaging 58.60 in T20Is with player of the tournament in two consecutive World T20s. Embarrassing thread.

This babar doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same paragraph as Kohli.
 
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Babar is the prodigy player.

Kohli tried his best but he is after all an average batsman in T20 arena.
 
Kohli at one point was averaging 58.60 in T20Is with player of the tournament in two consecutive World T20s. Embarrassing thread.

This babar doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same paragraph as Kohli.

I didn't realise Kohli was some sort of God, maybe some will worship him as they do Sachin.

In terms of actual technique, Babar is better but Kohli is stronger minded and more determined. Babar will not finish anywhere near Kohli in the 50 over format but imo will end up with a better T20 record and has the potential to end up with more test runs, he's still very young.
 
Helps to have played 16 of those 23 T20s vs SL, WI and World 11. Props to him for being so very consistent though
 
Kohli was Man of the Tournament in two consecutive WT20s. Babar is nowhere near him. Forget Kohli, KL Rahul is a better T20 player than Babar; similar average but a far far better strike rate, already scored two 100s.
 
A non impact player that doesn't win games. He will score a 40 ball 50 in the pp overs and will compel his team to score 80 ball 120 in non pp overs just to get to 170. Only 2 MOMs in all the innings shows the impact of his performance. He is consistent however and has 3 MOS and fits Pak's plans well because of their superior bowling attack. Can't be compared to VK, who was the MOS in the last two world cups. Also Babar's chasing avg falls to 40s with an SR of 115 and is exactly half that of VK's. Shows that he has some mental issues to overcome.
 
Kohli at one point was averaging 58.60 in T20Is with player of the tournament in two consecutive World T20s. Embarrassing thread.

This babar doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same paragraph as Kohli.

What do you expect from people here. This thread will go dark when babar further fails against top sides. Softest player in the world.
 
At similar stages in their careers.

Babar Azam has completed 23 T20 matches, averages a whopping 56.56, SR 125.52 and 7 fifties.

Virat Kohli, after a similar peirod (Admittedly some DNBs), he averaged far less at 37.61, sr was better slightly better at 129.44 with 5 fifties.

Not only is Azam's HS better, it is better than Kohli's to this day.

The start to this lad's career over the last 3 years or so had been remarkable.

No sane person will ever pick Babar over Kohli.
 
Troll thread that will end up being bumped every time either of VK/Babar succeeds or fails in any noteworthy game/tournament.
 
Helps to have played 16 of those 23 T20s vs SL, WI and World 11. Props to him for being so very consistent though

But 510 Runs Come In Against Top 3 Aus, New Zealand ,World 11 And England With 2 MOS,

All Of You Listen 1 Thing When Pakistan Playing Matches In Home These Guys Fakhar , Babar , Saud And Harris Become Beasts And Imran Khan Make It In 1 or 2 years
 
Threads like this always backfire us in the end. Kohli is already a legend and no body knows here Babar will stand in next 2 years. He may be end up like Umar Akmal.

Babar is an average player. He score more and have good average because he is a an opener and play for his record. When it comes to accelerate he fall quickly where Kohli can change gear anytime he wants because he is master of his abilities.
 
Ooh my ....

Babar is good, infact for PAK he is really good at the top order in LOI. But please dont compare him with Kohli:ba

Kohli batting is high class and at a different level.
 
Because Pakistan plays serious T20 series against minnows with full strength teams! Indian team hardly worries about such things!
 
Babar is thriving in series that are beneath Kohli. He will never be anywhere near Kohli in any format, I fail to see the point of such threads that only invite unwarranted criticism.

Babar is a fine player for Pakistan and it is not right to compare him to legends.
 
Lol these player 1 at y point in career vs player 2 at x point in career threads always go south.

There was one with Sachin vs Umar Akmal, Umar Akmal vs Virat, and we all know how they went.

Look deep enough and you'll know why Virat is a t20 legend and Babar is a nobody compared to him (for now).
 
Yes, Babar has set very high benchmark for Kohli and others now. Legendary stuff!!
 
I didn't realise Kohli was some sort of God, maybe some will worship him as they do Sachin.

In terms of actual technique, Babar is better but Kohli is stronger minded and more determined. Babar will not finish anywhere near Kohli in the 50 over format but imo will end up with a better T20 record and has the potential to end up with more test runs, he's still very young.

What a joke lol. How did u really measure that? Kohli has a very good technique much better than Babar's also kohli is the best test batsman in his team whereas Babar will not even get into the Indian test team.
 
But 510 Runs Come In Against Top 3 Aus, New Zealand ,World 11 And England With 2 MOS,

All Of You Listen 1 Thing When Pakistan Playing Matches In Home These Guys Fakhar , Babar , Saud And Harris Become Beasts And Imran Khan Make It In 1 or 2 years

Last three knocks vs Aus were extremely good - a bowling attack of Stanlake, Coulter Nile, Tye, Zampa and Agar is a quality one.
 
Lol these player 1 at y point in career vs player 2 at x point in career threads always go south.

There was one with Sachin vs Umar Akmal, Umar Akmal vs Virat, and we all know how they went.

Look deep enough and you'll know why Virat is a t20 legend and Babar is a nobody compared to him (for now).

Umar Akmal At 20 Better Than All His Young Fellows But His Attitude And Slectors Destroy His Career
 
This thread is obviously not serious enough and not worth wasting your energy on...
 
Put it this way: if you draw two random lines, chances are they will intersect at some point in time.

Hardly means those two lines are equal.

Applies to many of these comparison threads, not just this one.
 
I didn't realise Kohli was some sort of God, maybe some will worship him as they do Sachin.

In terms of actual technique, Babar is better but Kohli is stronger minded and more determined. Babar will not finish anywhere near Kohli in the 50 over format but imo will end up with a better T20 record and has the potential to end up with more test runs, he's still very young.

A big LOL :))

Nothing more needs to be said. Not even your own fellow countrymen will agree with you here. You're comparing a young lad with a genius.
 
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Cricket is not just a numerical expression, hence, we should not treat it in such manner. Numbers have great significance, but in cricket, we can't reach a right conclusion with just numbers.

Virat Kohli has proven his legacy but Babar Azam is yet to prove a lot.

However, there is not doubt that Babar is a good batsman.
 
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Haha, the smell of the burning souls is quite strong in this thread. If ppl can mention the number of centuries kohli have scored after playing X number of matches and then compare it with Tendulkar then what's the problem if someone mentions that babar is a better t20 player than what kohli was when he started his t20 career.

Good thread by barah_admi.
 
These sort of threads make a young talented batsman in Babar look bad. It makes people insult him and forget that he is a very good batsman in his own right and has a good future ahead of him. When you compare him or any other young batsman to the legend that Kohli is, you do disservice to them.
 
Some pakistanis will never learn. A piece of advice; before posting, think also about the potential consequences of the post. You just give people free license to attack you.
 
Babar isn't in the same league as Kohli in T20s. Unfair on Babar to compare him with Kohli.
 
I don't understand why people are getting so defensive here. There's nothing wrong in what has been mentioned in the OP. Babar has clearly performed better than Kohli who has caught up later in his career. Who knows what the future holds for Babar? Maybe he will win the world cup for Pakistan which Kohli can only dream about.
 
In t20s kohli isn't near babar Azam shouldn't compare Azam to kohli since Azam will be th GOAT in t20 cricket
 
Lolz , it appears that it is blasphemy to compare babar or any any other player to kohli .There is a long list of Indian bros in this thread who felt so offensive on this comparison . Come on guys this is a comparison thread and any current player can be compared with anyther one .And kohli is no exception . One can say that kohli is the better one or much better one but to act like that one is a some cricketing god , is a bit absurd .
 
Joke thread Kholi was man of the WC tournament twice in a row how many times Babar has achieved that? Babar is a good player but Kholi is few levels above and he alone sit there, the only one close to him is smith (currently suspended).

Creator of this thread should be embarrassed it shows a clear lack of cricketing knowledge.
 
Lolz , it appears that it is blasphemy to compare babar or any any other player to kohli .There is a long list of Indian bros in this thread who felt so offensive on this comparison . Come on guys this is a comparison thread and any current player can be compared with anyther one .And kohli is no exception . One can say that kohli is the better one or much better one but to act like that one is a some cricketing god , is a bit absurd .

Bro in that case why dont you compare junaid khan batting to kholi? or even muralis? This is a joke thread nobody should compare kholi to babar and i am a Pakistani Fan.
 
Helps to have played 16 of those 23 T20s vs SL, WI and World 11. Props to him for being so very consistent though

Last 3 years: Avg will put him near the top, but SR will put him near the bottom.

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That is exceptional for someone so young, p laying on exceptionally slow wickets in games where often times, huge runs have not been scored. Plus, he is in the same bracket as Root, Morgan, Williamson and not too far off Malik, some of the finest limited overs cricketers of recent times.

HIs average makes him the second most consistent T20 batsman in the time period you looked at, so a healthy sr plus an otherworldly avg makes him one of the very best.
 
In t20s kohli isn't near babar Azam shouldn't compare Azam to kohli since Azam will be th GOAT in t20 cricket

Okay when he becomes GOAT or become man of WC tournament twice in a row like kholi create this thread. Why now?
 
Bro in that case why dont you compare junaid khan batting to kholi? or even muralis? This is a joke thread nobody should compare kholi to babar and i am a Pakistani Fan.

A Pakistani fan who failed to read the first post, it is comparing the two guy at similar age and time in their careers. Azam this young and at this point is simply a prodigy while Kohli was just about above average. That is the point being made here.
 
Bro in that case why dont you compare junaid khan batting to kholi? or even muralis? This is a joke thread nobody should compare kholi to babar and i am a Pakistani Fan.

I don’t think there is so huge gulf between two players that they can not be compared . Last time I checked babar was a batsman and junaid was a bowler . So Atleast it is not like op is comparing junaid with kohli . Kohli is being compared with a batsman in a format who is currently sitting at the top of ranking in that particular format . It is possible that in next week babar might not be in top 10 . But comparing a good batsman with someone incredible should not be so weird . Arguments can be made that kohli is much superior but I find no reason of no-comparison at all .
 
A Pakistani fan who failed to read the first post, it is comparing the two guy at similar age and time in their careers. Azam this young and at this point is simply a prodigy while Kohli was just about above average. That is the point being made here.

Again point less thread! Too small sample size to be a valid comparison. Last time Pakistan won anything in T20 Babar was not even in the team. Let him play for 5 years and atleast two WCs and see if he is anywhere close to Kholi.
 
I think we should stop comparing upcoming players to greats. Kohli should not be compared to Tendulkar yet and Babar has a long way to learn to become Kohli. Can he do it? Absolutely but he is not there yet.
 
Again point less thread! Too small sample size to be a valid comparison. Last time Pakistan won anything in T20 Babar was not even in the team. Let him play for 5 years and atleast two WCs and see if he is anywhere close to Kholi.

Isn’t it true for Kohli as well? I’m not saying he’s better than Kohli in any way but this line of argument is slightly flawed.
 
I don’t think there is so huge gulf between two players that they can not be compared . Last time I checked babar was a batsman and junaid was a bowler . So Atleast it is not like op is comparing junaid with kohli . Kohli is being compared with a batsman in a format who is currently sitting at the top of ranking in that particular format . It is possible that in next week babar might not be in top 10 . But comparing a good batsman with someone incredible should not be so weird . Arguments can be made that kohli is much superior but I find no reason of no-comparison at all .

Babar regardless to his performance or capability simply has not played enough. And the Important tournaments he has played so far he did not do great CT and Asia cup (debatable how important it actually was).
 
Isn’t it true for Kohli as well? I’m not saying he’s better than Kohli in any way but this line of argument is slightly flawed.

Kholi has played for long enough (over 10k Runs now in ODI's and over 6k Runs in Tests and over 20 centuries already). He was also man of the tournament twice in T20s and his innings against Australia in last T20 was epic. Babar on the other hand has not played enough, He will have the opportunity to do that same he will play enough to break kholis records if he can or not we will see.
 
I think we should stop comparing upcoming players to greats. Kohli should not be compared to Tendulkar yet and Babar has a long way to learn to become Kohli. Can he do it? Absolutely but he is not there yet.

I like your confidence just to be clear to become kholi he will need to more than likely break 30 centuries mark in tests and over 50 centuries mark in ODIs.
 
I don't understand why people are getting so defensive here. There's nothing wrong in what has been mentioned in the OP. Babar has clearly performed better than Kohli who has caught up later in his career. Who knows what the future holds for Babar? Maybe he will win the world cup for Pakistan which Kohli can only dream about.

Exactly the point i'm making, it is a comparison made at early stages in careers (there was a similar one with Root, Smith, Williamson and KOhli). There is no reason for people or rather Indians, to be so offended. Will Babar Azam end up better than Kohli? WHo knows? Has he had a better start? without a doubt.
 
I think we should stop comparing upcoming players to greats. Kohli should not be compared to Tendulkar yet and Babar has a long way to learn to become Kohli. Can he do it? Absolutely but he is not there yet.

If you actually decide to stop being offended, you will realise this is a comparison of the start of their careers, not entire careers.
 
Babar has great potential and certainly will improve his SR with time. At the moment, even in T20 Kohli >> Babar

But in next few years it can be opposite. Also Kohli misses lots of T20s matches, so he will not be near top in charts
 
Exactly the point i'm making, it is a comparison made at early stages in careers (there was a similar one with Root, Smith, Williamson and KOhli). There is no reason for people or rather Indians, to be so offended. Will Babar Azam end up better than Kohli? WHo knows? Has he had a better start? without a doubt.

Perfectly agreed. So far Babar has clearly outshone Kohli and maybe he can develop into a better batsman, who knows!
 
At similar stages in their careers.

Babar Azam has completed 23 T20 matches, averages a whopping 56.56, SR 125.52 and 7 fifties.

Virat Kohli, after a similar peirod (Admittedly some DNBs), he averaged far less at 37.61, sr was better slightly better at 129.44 with 5 fifties.

Not only is Azam's HS better, it is better than Kohli's to this day.

The start to this lad's career over the last 3 years or so had been remarkable.

After 49 tests,

Imran Khan

Matches 49
Runs 1853
HS 123
Batting Average 29.88
100's 2
Wickets 232
BBI 8/58
Bowling average 22.91
5WI 16
Average Difference - 6.97

Ravichandran Ashwin
Matches 49
Runs 1903
HS 124
Batting Average 32.25
100's 4
Wickets 275
BBI 7/59
Bowling average 25.22
5WI 25
Average Difference 7.03


Some people (read most) here talking as if they saw Imran from day one of his cricketing career and he was this god level all rounder with a batting average of 50 and bowling average of 20 from day 1. After 49 matches (clearly a pedastal which the 'same fans' use while comparing say a Babar vs Kohli), one can clearly see Ashwin is ahead of Imran. So unless, they can peep into their crystal ball and tell how Ashwin is going to do the next few years, i suggest they refrain from making silly statements like dirt on sneakers and all.

Yes Imran is an ATG, no doubt about it, I am just pointing at the double standards of our friendly neighbors over here who jump on the defensive when an upcoming pak batsman is compared with an indian great, and quote performances after 'x' games.

Rest my case!


http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...t-all-rounder-from-Asia&p=9247131#post9247131
 
I like your confidence just to be clear to become kholi he will need to more than likely break 30 centuries mark in tests and over 50 centuries mark in ODIs.
I understand that and if he wants to do it he absolutely can. He certainly has proven he is quite capable of playing long innings.
 
I understand that and if he wants to do it he absolutely can. He certainly has proven he is quite capable of playing long innings.

In Tests he has not got any 100s yet so i am not sure he has proven he can score 30 100s but due to his young age potential is there.
 
Perfectly agreed. So far Babar has clearly outshone Kohli and maybe he can develop into a better batsman, who knows!

Exactly, if only he can develop into a longer form batsman, he may be one of the very best.

I am the one being offended? where do you see that? I just stated my opinion. I think these comparison serves no purpose as they say previous performance does not guarantee future success. I think these comparisons are stupid and waste of time.

Why are they stupid? They have a very specific point to them, in this case, that Azam has had a remarkable start to his career, one that the very best of his this generation can not even match.
 
People forget Kohli has dominated 2 World T20s. In international T20s, they are the only T20s that matters. Let's see how Babar does in the T20 World Cup.
 
Babar is a little ahead in T20's. He averages over 50 against the big 4 where as Kohli averages under 40 against England, SA and NZ. His performances against Australia have been good, but out of his 6 fifties Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood have only played one match each. Those bowling attacks were pretty bad.

As I have already mentioned, Babar is more at ease scoring against better bowlers.
 
Babar is a little ahead in T20's. He averages over 50 against the big 4 where as Kohli averages under 40 against England, SA and NZ. His performances against Australia have been good, but out of his 6 fifties Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood have only played one match each. Those bowling attacks were pretty bad.

As I have already mentioned, Babar is more at ease scoring against better bowlers.

In white ball certainly not. If Babar really was scoring more freely against superior bowling, he'd have a better strike rate in ODIs and T20Is.

Also, if I'm not mistaken Kohli has managed to score 3 x ODI tons in less than 60 balls?
 
In white ball certainly not. If Babar really was scoring more freely against superior bowling, he'd have a better strike rate in ODIs and T20Is.

Also, if I'm not mistaken Kohli has managed to score 3 x ODI tons in less than 60 balls?

I thought this thread was about T20's, sorry, I was wrong.
 
Babar is a little ahead in T20's. He averages over 50 against the big 4 where as Kohli averages under 40 against England, SA and NZ. His performances against Australia have been good, but out of his 6 fifties Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood have only played one match each. Those bowling attacks were pretty bad.

As I have already mentioned, Babar is more at ease scoring against better bowlers.

Babar has no track record under pressure in T20Is. His career is too young.

In comparison, Kohli averages 86.66 in WC games, 161.00 in WC Semi-Finals, and 77.00 in WC Finals.
 
People forget Kohli has dominated 2 World T20s. In international T20s, they are the only T20s that matters. Let's see how Babar does in the T20 World Cup.

No, that PSL final innings has got better of some fans, as usual ...................
 
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No, that PSL final innings has got better of some fans, as usual ...................

Seems that way. I love Babar, but he does need to improve against top teams in terms of scoring centuries. I don't want to jinx him or put too much pressure on him by saying he is better than fab 4.

You were right when you said some of our fans over analyse T20s. National Cup got so much scrutiny and PSL holds far too much weight amongst fans and the Pakistan higher ups thinking.
 
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No, that PSL final innings has got better of some fans, as usual ...................

How about when Indian fans put a lot of weight on IPL performances over international cricket? Let the Pakistanis enjoy their party
 
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Well, the NZ tour ("reality check") isn't far away...let's see...
 
Why do people get away from reality. Baber has been good but Kohli has been a proven performer in pressure games. Baber has still a long way to go before being compared with King Kohli. Stats are for nerds but people who actually understand cricket they know Baber is still not in the league of Kohli. In fact no one is in the league of Kohli. He is just too good.
 
Kohli is not playing t20's regularly, he rested many matches,didn't play many series.
He just started playing because of upcoming t20 wc.
 
Seems that way. I love Babar, but he does need to improve against top teams in terms of scoring centuries. I don't want to jinx him or put too much pressure on him by saying he is better than fab 4.

You were right when you said some of our fans over analyse T20s. National Cup got so much scrutiny and PSL holds far too much weight amongst fans and the Pakistan higher ups thinking.

Yes and he needs to score at a better tempo.

A strike rate of 130 is quite low when you consider how many second string and minnow bowling attacks he's faced.
 
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Yes and he needs to score at a better tempo.

A strike rate of 130 is quite low when you consider how many second string and minnow bowling attacks he's faced.

He's had no reliable partners with him though. Babar has carried our t20 batting since his debut pretty much.
 
Yes and he needs to score at a better tempo.

A strike rate of 130 is quite low when you consider how many second string and minnow bowling attacks he's faced.

The SR is low because of the amount of matches he played in the UAE. If you look at his SR out of UAE it's fine.
 
Why do people get away from reality. Baber has been good but Kohli has been a proven performer in pressure games. Baber has still a long way to go before being compared with King Kohli. Stats are for nerds but people who actually understand cricket they know Baber is still not in the league of Kohli. In fact no one is in the league of Kohli. He is just too good.

This thread is about T20's. Babar has performed against top teams better than anyone.
Kohli's performances in world T20's has been incredible but Babar is yet to play a world T20.
 
No, that PSL final innings has got better of some fans, as usual ...................

Who is even talking about psl here? I said Babar's performances against SENA teams are better so far.

Seems that way. I love Babar, but he does need to improve against top teams in terms of scoring centuries. I don't want to jinx him or put too much pressure on him by saying he is better than fab 4.

You were right when you said some of our fans over analyse T20s. National Cup got so much scrutiny and PSL holds far too much weight amongst fans and the Pakistan higher ups thinking.

This thread is about T20's... How do you want him to score centuries in T20's?

Both are similar type player in T20's. Babar might not continue at this rate but so far his performances are just too good in T20's.
 
Babar's comparison in T20s should be done with KL Rahul. Kohli is clearly well ahead, he was player of the series in WT20 2014 and 2016.

KL Rahul 1400 runs Avg 45 SR 146
Babar 1600 runs Avg 50 SR 130
 
Babar's comparison in T20s should be done with KL Rahul. Kohli is clearly well ahead, he was player of the series in WT20 2014 and 2016.

KL Rahul 1400 runs Avg 45 SR 146
Babar 1600 runs Avg 50 SR 130

While KL is unarguably more dynamic than babar, it has to be noted that a major chunk of Babar's innings have been played in the UAE on slow pitches where even Kohli struggled to score at a fast pace. Therefore the strike rate difference should be seen in that context.
 
Babar has no track record under pressure in T20Is. His career is too young.

In comparison, Kohli averages 86.66 in WC games, 161.00 in WC Semi-Finals, and 77.00 in WC Finals.

Small point of note, Kohli has had 1 innings in WC finals where he scored 77, you make it seem like he’s averaging 77 over multiple finals.

Overall though - yes, your statistics tell the entire story. T20 WC innings matter the most, and Babar must step up his game in his first ever World T20.
 
I think the real comparison should be between Williamson,root and babar in limited overs
 
Small point of note, Kohli has had 1 innings in WC finals where he scored 77, you make it seem like he’s averaging 77 over multiple finals.

Overall though - yes, your statistics tell the entire story. T20 WC innings matter the most, and Babar must step up his game in his first ever World T20.

Spot on and I probably should have worded it better.

Babar fans (including me!) should just wait for his career to unfold. I know Pakistani fans become uneasy that no one is noticing their superstar and others are hogging the limelight, but great players always get noticed.

It doesn't matter if there are a billion people on the other end of the argument.

A good example is Smith vs Kohli in Tests.

Those who appreciate Kohli's game can say whatever we like, but Smith is better in Tests and that's reality. The numbers and performances are in his favor to the point arguments don't need to be made at all.

Unfortunately for Babar, he is on the wrong end of this comparison in T20Is. Kohli is just better.

The next two T20 world cups will come in quick succession, so Babar will have more than enough time to prove himself on the biggest stage in the middle of his prime.
 
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