Why is Babar Azam so far ahead of Virat Kohli in T20Is?

[ex-q-zit]

This world cup may put this debate for rest looking at how diametrically opposite their performances are.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Out of form Kohli is better than peak Babar in T20I. There's absolutely no comparison. Kohli is not a bilateral statpadder

 

[Saurav]

lmao

 

[Savak]

Babar Azam's world coming crashing down.

 

[JaDed]

The better Babar becomes more prepared teams will become for him, it’s upto to him to take the challenge to them.

T20 is the best format historically for Kohli (inspite of not winning one yes), so it’s going to be toughest format for Babar to compete with him on, also as i said before it’s not fair on Kohli to be compared during his not great years to peak Babar.

 

[jnaveen1980]

 

[Punjab Kings]

Virat Kohli is great than.........
........all cricketers of world....

So to compare his stats with Zimbabar is to insult him...

 

[Mamoon]

So why is Babar so far ahead? What does Kohli need to do to catch up?
[MENTION=43051]Mobashir[/MENTION] can you please explain?

 

[Rana]

Mobashir bro it’s ok you don’t have to hide for the past two months or so

 

[cpraneesh]

Kohli plays only important matches and against stronger opposition. Babar plays against all teams and against good opposition (when opposition is playing full strength) he fails more.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This inning in a semi final will add some weight to this comparison.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Not even as good as Kohli's worst innings in t20 WC knockouts.

 

[Ab Fan]

53(42) in a 152 run chase playing second fiddle to your partner. This inning is as good as Pant 30 odd vs Shaheen and co last year in much tougher match situation when the top order was blown away.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

This inning in a semi final will add some weight to this comparison.

Not yet, may be in future. Can't even compare now, Babr SR is very poor in two Semifinals.

Most Runs in T20 WC Knockouts:

Virat - 3 innings - 238 runs - 238 avg - 159.7 SR - 3 50's
Mitchel - 3 innings - 136 runs - 136 avg - 150 SR - 2 50's
Rohit - 5 innings - 134 runs - 44 avg - 159.7 SR - 0 50's
Kane - 3 innings - 122 runs - 40 avg - 159.7 SR - 1 50's


Virat Kohli in T20 World Cup Semifinals:
72* (44) against South Africa (2014)
89* (47)against West Indies (2016)

Most 50+ scores in Semi-Finals/ Finals of T20 WC:

3 - Virat Kohli (3 inns)
2 - Daryl Mitchell (2 inns)
2 - Chris Gayle (6 inns)
2 - Marlon Samuels (5 inns)
2 - Shahid Afridi (6 inns)
2 - Kumar Sangakkara (7 inns)

Most MOT's in T20 WC:
Virat - 2
Others -1 each

Highest Average while Chasing in T20WC (Min 5 Inngs)

270.50 - Virat Kohli*
76.00 - Michael Hussey
62.50 - David Wiese
60.00 - Kevin Pietersen

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Not even as good as Kohli's worst innings in t20 WC knockouts.

Which inning are you talking about here? Please specify.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

53(42) in a 152 run chase playing second fiddle to your partner. This inning is as good as Pant 30 odd vs Shaheen and co last year in much tougher match situation when the top order was blown away.

So now even this inning is not good for you? Is this another stat padding inning from Babar and Rizwan? Goal post keeps shifting for some of you guys.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

53(42) in a 152 run chase playing second fiddle to your partner. This inning is as good as Pant 30 odd vs Shaheen and co last year in much tougher match situation when the top order was blown away.

Don’t forget the dropped catch on 0.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Don’t forget the dropped catch on 0.

Pant fans talking about dropped catches/chances? )

 

[Zaz]

Poor form and immense scrutiny on him and pressure, chasing in a world cup semi and plays a knock to take his team to the world cup final

Id say thats quality knock under pressure from babar on the biggest stage Hats off to him

 

[Bilal7]

Kohli, a massive choker in KO matches, has one of his last opportunities to make amends tomorrow. It's a relatively weak English attack missing Archer, Topley and possibly Wood. Adil Rashid is also not at his absolute best and Kohli will be batting on his favorite Australia ground. He is also the highest run-scorer in the tournament.

Everything points to Kohli playing a match-winning innings tomorrow... If he isn't, in fact, a choker.

 

[Bilal7]

This innings just solidifies Babar's legacy. He was woefully out of form but when the lights shone brightest, he came out and played an amazing, match-winning innings against an attack that had bowled Australia out for a 100 on the same ground.

No one can ever say that Babar chokes after this.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Kohli, a massive choker in KO matches, has one of his last opportunities to make amends tomorrow. It's a relatively weak English attack missing Archer, Topley and possibly Wood. Adil Rashid is also not at his absolute best and Kohli will be batting on his favorite Australia ground. He is also the highest run-scorer in the tournament.

Everything points to Kohli playing a match-winning innings tomorrow... If he isn't, in fact, a choker.

Prepping yourself with excuse just in case if he clicks? lol win-win situation. He has played solid knocks in knockouts. Just that his bowlers let him down with noballs of a wickets, fielding errors.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Kohli, a massive choker in KO matches, has one of his last opportunities to make amends tomorrow. It's a relatively weak English attack missing Archer, Topley and possibly Wood. Adil Rashid is also not at his absolute best and Kohli will be batting on his favorite Australia ground. He is also the highest run-scorer in the tournament.

Everything points to Kohli playing a match-winning innings tomorrow... If he isn't, in fact, a choker.

Which KO you talking about?
Please do some research before posting nonsense.

Most Runs in T20 WC Knockouts:

Virat - 3 innings - 238 runs - 238 avg - 159.7 SR - 3 50's
Mitchel - 3 innings - 136 runs - 136 avg - 150 SR - 2 50's
Rohit - 5 innings - 134 runs - 44 avg - 159.7 SR - 0 50's
Kane - 3 innings - 122 runs - 40 avg - 159.7 SR - 1 50's

 

[Cover Drive Six]

This innings just solidifies Babar's legacy. He was woefully out of form but when the lights shone brightest, he came out and played an amazing, match-winning innings against an attack that had bowled Australia out for a 100 on the same ground.

No one can ever say that Babar chokes after this.

Amazing Legacy with 120 SR when target is small after dropping the first ball.

 

[Bilal7]

Prepping yourself with excuse just in case if he clicks? lol win-win situation. He has played solid knocks in knockouts. Just that his bowlers let him down with noballs of a wickets, fielding errors.

Excuses. Babar played a match-winning knock today and India's bowling attack has been excellent in this T20 world cup thus far. Kohli also has the luxury of SKY coming in after him.

There should be no "in case" here. If you think Kohli isn't a choker in KO matches, you should be confident that he scores a match-winning half century tomorrow.

I'm a fan of Kohli's, by the way. I wouldn't be upset if he proves that he can handle KO pressure and would surpass Tendulker who choked in not one, but TWO world cup finals.

 

[Bilal7]

Which KO you talking about?
Please do some research before posting nonsense.

Most Runs in T20 WC Knockouts:

Virat - 3 innings - 238 runs - 238 avg - 159.7 SR - 3 50's
Mitchel - 3 innings - 136 runs - 136 avg - 150 SR - 2 50's
Rohit - 5 innings - 134 runs - 44 avg - 159.7 SR - 0 50's
Kane - 3 innings - 122 runs - 40 avg - 159.7 SR - 1 50's

How many of these were semi-final matches that he won his team?

 

[Bilal7]

Amazing Legacy with 120 SR when target is small after dropping the first ball.

Match-winning innings. I'm sure Kohli will also be able to score a 50 at a SR of 120 and help his team beat England tomorrow. Unlike Babar, he doesn't have to rely on Iftikhar and Nawaz to up the RR, he has SKY and Pandya batting below him.

Kohli masterclass coming tomorrow. Surely, he will not choke again. This is one of his last chances!

 

[Cover Drive Six]

How many of these were semi-final matches that he won his team?

Now you are changing goalposts. loll
You said Kohli is massive choker in KO matches and now coming up with other excuse.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Excuses. Babar played a match-winning knock today and India's bowling attack has been excellent in this T20 world cup thus far. Kohli also has the luxury of SKY coming in after him.

There should be no "in case" here. If you think Kohli isn't a choker in KO matches, you should be confident that he scores a match-winning half century tomorrow.

I'm a fan of Kohli's, by the way. I wouldn't be upset if he proves that he can handle KO pressure and would surpass Tendulker who choked in not one, but TWO world cup finals.

No response was you called him choker. In T20 he is probably the best in knockouts. You cannot seriously attribute this today's win to batsmen can you? It was all bowlers who did the bulk of job. NZ lost only 4 wickets yet only made 152 runs. That is not a 152 wicket. More like 175 wicket. You might as well have promoted Chacha/Nawaz they probably would have done the same against this mediocre bowling on display today.

 

[The lone Ranger]

Match-winning innings. I'm sure Kohli will also be able to score a 50 at a SR of 120 and help his team beat England tomorrow. Unlike Babar, he doesn't have to rely on Iftikhar and Nawaz to up the RR, he has SKY and Pandya batting below him.

Kohli masterclass coming tomorrow. Surely, he will not choke again. This is one of his last chances!

He has never choked in T20Is semifinals!
Played 2 T20IS semifinals in his career so far and won them both with a scores of 72*(44), 89*(47)
Babar has also involved in 2 T20IS semifinals and played a match losing knock in one and dropped on 0 in another. There's no comparison really!

 

[Cover Drive Six]

How many of these were semi-final matches that he won his team?

He won 2 out 3 KO's.

 

[Bilal7]

No response was you called him choker. In T20 he is probably the best in knockouts. You cannot seriously attribute this today's win to batsmen can you? It was all bowlers who did the bulk of job. NZ lost only 4 wickets yet only made 152 runs. That is not a 152 wicket. More like 175 wicket. You might as well have promoted Chacha/Nawaz they probably would have done the same against this mediocre bowling on display today.

I don't judge players on probabilities. Babar and Rizwan were crucial in getting Pakistan over the line today. It was a match-winning innings in a world cup semi-final, something Kohli has failed to do, thus far.

However, tomorrow is the perfect opportunity for Kohli to show that he is not a choker.

 

[The lone Ranger]

Some wannabees keep bumping this thread whenever babar scores some runs.. he would have got heartattack, had Conway taken that catch on zero.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He has never choked in T20Is semifinals!
Played 2 T20IS semifinals in his career so far and won them both with a scores of 72*(44), 89*(47)
Babar has also involved in 2 T20IS semifinals and played a match losing knock in one and dropped on 0 in another. There's no comparison really!

Even Sachin was dropped multiple times against Pakistan in the semi final of 2011 world cup.

 

[Bilal7]

He has never choked in T20Is semifinals!
Played 2 T20IS semifinals in his career so far and won them both with a scores of 72*(44), 89*(47)
Babar has also involved in 2 T20IS semifinals and played a match losing knock in one and dropped on 0 in another. There's no comparison really!

India lost the match against West Indies but yes, he did play a good knock in the semis of the 2014 edition but choked and played a match-losing innings in the final.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I don't judge players on probabilities. Babar and Rizwan were crucial in getting Pakistan over the line today. It was a match-winning innings in a world cup semi-final, something Kohli has failed to do, thus far.

However, tomorrow is the perfect opportunity for Kohli to show that he is not a choker.

Don't forget Pakistan was in a must win situation in preliminary rounds several times. Each time someone else saved them. But for them Pakistan would have never reached semis. This is not the first pressure match Pakistan played. This surface/total/bowling right up in the alley of Babar/Rizwan. Will be interesting to see them back at the MCG.

 

[Bilal7]

Now you are changing goalposts. loll
You said Kohli is massive choker in KO matches and now coming up with other excuse.

Semi-finals have way more pressure than anything that comes before. Besides, we don't have quarter-finals anymore.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

I don't judge players on probabilities. Babar and Rizwan were crucial in getting Pakistan over the line today. It was a match-winning innings in a world cup semi-final, something Kohli has failed to do, thus far.

However, tomorrow is the perfect opportunity for Kohli to show that he is not a choker.

He doesn't need to prove anything to you.

He is already GOAT T20 WC player.
Most run in KO's
Most runs in WC's.
Own Two MOT's in WC.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Fans who were asking Babar to show some intent from the start are the ones who are crying the most now.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

This innings just solidifies Babar's legacy. He was woefully out of form but when the lights shone brightest, he came out and played an amazing, match-winning innings against an attack that had bowled Australia out for a 100 on the same ground.

No one can ever say that Babar chokes after this.

I believe that Babar is massively talented and more technically strong than Kohli or anyone else in world cricket

But with that kind of gift he is not playing anywhere close to his potential, he needs to develop a fifth gear and learn how to give ample power to his strokes.

As for Kohli, he has played match defining knocks in both t20 wc knockouts and Ct knockouts. In 50 over world cups he hasn't played a good knock in final stages.

Tbh, I don't think today's knock of Babar qualifies as a great one. He played a supporting knock today and was also dropped.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I believe that Babar is massively talented and more technically strong than Kohli or anyone else in world cricket

But with that kind of gift he is not playing anywhere close to his potential, he needs to develop a fifth gear and learn how to give ample power to his strokes.

As for Kohli, he has played match defining knocks in both t20 wc knockouts and Ct knockouts. In 50 over world cups he hasn't played a good knock in final stages.

Tbh, I don't think today's knock of Babar qualifies as a great one. He played a supporting knock today and was also dropped.

Oh so any knock where a catch was dropped doesn't qualify as a great one?

 

[Bilal7]

He doesn't need to prove anything to you.

He is already GOAT T20 WC player.
Most run in KO's
Most runs in WC's.
Own Two MOT's in WC.

The GOAT T20 WC player does not have a single T20 WC trophy?

 

[jnaveen1980]

The GOAT T20 WC player does not have a single T20 WC trophy?

This is not wimbledon singles lol He played an outstanding innings against West INdies. Singlehandedly propelled India to a total 189 or something. Indian bowlers botched it by picking wickets of noballs. You can't blame him can you? Same way in the final Dhoni/Yuvraj buried India with tuk tuk batting against Malinga even though he batted well. Today's match was won 70% due to Pakistan's immaculate bowling.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

The GOAT T20 WC player does not have a single T20 WC trophy?

Like GOAT Waseem Akram.

Stick to the thread title and discuss rather than derailing.

 

[Bilal7]

This is not wimbledon singles lol He played an outstanding innings against West INdies. Singlehandedly propelled India to a total 189 or something. Indian bowlers botched it by picking wickets of noballs. You can't blame him can you? Same way in the final Dhoni/Yuvraj buried India with tuk tuk batting against Malinga even though he batted well. Today's match was won 70% due to Pakistan's immaculate bowling.

Kohli plays for India, not Zimbabwe. There is no excuse for him not having a World Cup in his resume. You gave two examples, what happened last year? What's the excuse if India lose tomorrow? What happened in the 2014 final when Kohli scored 70 runs at a SR of 130 and Sangakarra chased that down with a 50+ at a SR of 150?

Ask any soccer fan and they will say that Pele and Maradona are better international soccer players than Messi and Ronaldo because the former two have World Cups in their respective resumes.

Kohli can certainly become the GOAT IPL player without having a single T20 world cup but can he become the greatest international T20 player without a single trophy? Do think about it.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

The GOAT T20 WC player does not have a single T20 WC trophy?

How many Pakistani GOATS won the cups?
Waqar Younis?
*typo- Akram

 

[jnaveen1980]

Kohli plays for India, not Zimbabwe. There is no excuse for him not having a World Cup in his resume. You gave two examples, what happened last year? What's the excuse if India lose tomorrow?

Ask any soccer fan and they will say that Pele and Maradona are better international soccer players than Messi and Ronaldo because the former two have World Cups in their respective resumes.

Kohli can certainly become the GOAT IPL player without having a single T20 world cup but can he become the greatest international T20 player without a single trophy? Do think about it.

Kohli has been out of form since Pandemic beginning. Many fans even wanted him out. Credit to him he has turned it around. Highest run getter in this world cup. You think this chancy innings with average strike rate chasing a modest total put him over Kohli? First of all that was not even the best innings of his own side. Rizwan played better than Babar.

Do you see Babar here ?

 

[Bilal7]

Kohli has been out of form since Pandemic beginning. Many fans even wanted him out. Credit to him he has turned it around. Highest run getter in this world cup. You think this chancy innings with average strike rate chasing a modest total put him over Kohli? First of all that was not even the best innings of his own side. Rizwan played better than Babar.

Do you see Babar here ?

View attachment 117761

Let's see if Kohli's face is on this graphic tomorrow.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

The GOAT T20 WC player does not have a single T20 WC trophy?

You first started discussion with KO's and then realized your mistake.
Quickly changed goalpost...haha

Try to discuss something related to thread title...

Munaf Patel won the world cup, but Waqar didn't

 

[jnaveen1980]

Let's see if Kohli's face is on this graphic tomorrow.

Babar's face is also not there lol A goat innings will be appreciated by all sundries. This is run of the mill low total chase with no real pressure at any point like top order collapse. You think this Babar's innings will be remembered like Hussey innings or Wade innings?

 

[heddie19]

So why is Babar so far ahead? What does Kohli need to do to catch up?

[MENTION=43051]Mobashir[/MENTION] can you please explain?

Babar isn't ahead. Kohli is. But Babar is on his own path to become the great. If he can win the worldcup with the bat and the captaincy too, I doubt there will be anyone who wouldn't consider him the GOAT. Keeping my fingers crossed. Good luck Pakistan and Babar.

 

[Bilal7]

You first started discussion with KO's and then realized your mistake.
Quickly changed goalpost...haha

Try to discuss something related to thread title...

Munaf Patel won the world cup, but Waqar didn't

There was no mistake. Babar won his team a semi-final, just like Kohli has. The problem is that Babar has yet to reach his peak while Kohli is a year or two from retirement.

If all he has is one match-winning innings in WC semi-finals and finals, Babar will surpass him quite easily.

Quarter-finals, Round of 16s, Round of 32s don't matter because even the ICC realized how dumb and meaningless they were. Semis and finals are the only matches where a player shows their ability to handle KO match pressure.

 

[PakFan2010]

Let's see what Kohli does in a semi-final.

He typically chokes in them.

 

[Bilal7]

You first started discussion with KO's and then realized your mistake.
Quickly changed goalpost...haha

Try to discuss something related to thread title...

Munaf Patel won the world cup, but Waqar didn't

Waqar was injured. He's as deserving of that world cup as any of those other players.

Additionally, no one calls him the GOAT ODI player.

 

[shamaan]

Like GOAT Waseem Akram.

Stick to the thread title and discuss rather than derailing.

How many games did Wasim Akram play in t20s lol.

 

[shamaan]

How many Pakistani GOATS won the cups?
Waqar Younis?
*typo- Akram

Do your research before posting.

 

[shamaan]

Technically Babar is a way better player than Kohli but Kohli has more shots and more power game.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Technically Babar is a way better player than Kohli but Kohli has more shots and more power game.

He has issues against the short ball. He doesn't have the proper technique to combat short stuff at good pace. Not the short ball at knee height on docile tracks.

 

[mikeypbadana86]

Let's see what Kohli does in a semi-final.

He typically chokes in them.

Utterly untrue. 2014 t20 World Cup 2014 Ind VS SA, virat scored 70 off chasing 170 plus in semi final . scored 70 odd in the final against Srilanka

2016 t20 World Cup. Virtual quarter final vs Aus scored 80 odd

Semi final against west Indies. scored 80 odd


2022 t20: 80 odd against PAK albeit league match. Could have knocked out PAK had it not been for Netherlands win against SA.


Indian fan that grew up and admired watching likes of speed Anwar, Inzi, wasim, waqar , shoiab akthar and shahid afridi... I like the class act that Babar is......No need to belittle kohli for the heck of it.

 

[bala977]

Here comes the BA fans in full strength who were no where to be seen 24 hours ago ….

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Kohli played a match losing knock in the semi final against England. Even though Babar was dropped on 0, his inning helped his team win the match so performance of Babar > Kohli in the semi final of this WC.

 

[MenInG]

Shoaib Akhtar in a TV show:

"As a cricketer, if you ask me, I feel he should stick with only Test and ODI formats. T20I unki energy bahot nikaal deta hai (T20I format drains a lot of his energy). He is a very excited kind of character. He wants to be out there, he wants to look good. He wants to have a good time in T20Is. He likes it. But at times, he needs to save his body. How old is he right now? 34 right? Easily he can play for about 6 to 8 years. If he plays 30-50 more Test matches, I'm sure it won't be difficult for him to score 25 centuries in those Test matches"

"However, it will still be a daunting task for him in terms of fitness and mental health. Luckily, he is a strong guy, he is a Punjabi guy. It's great that he is in a good frame of mind. He is concentrating and having a good time with his cricket. So he should remain focused and cross the 100-century barrier. And India will reserve high praise for him. And all these trash talks about Babar Azam and Virat Kohli - these are great players. Who is bigger than Kohli or Babar in Asia? No one. So all these loose talks are done just to grab attention"

 

[Rana]

Babar Azam as an opener isn’t even ahead of Shubman Gill and Ishan Kishan

Be a real man and bat at number 3 like Kohli does and then we will talk!

 

[shamaan]

He has issues against the short ball. He doesn't have the proper technique to combat short stuff at good pace. Not the short ball at knee height on docile tracks.

How many times has Babar been dismissed against the short ball ?