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Why is Babar Azam so far ahead of Virat Kohli in T20Is?

Babar is just not cut out for t20s. He lacks the 4th or 5th gear needed to accelerate when the team needs you do. I cant remember one single innings where Babar has almost single handedly won the match for Pak like for eg., virat against Aus in the 2016 WC semifinals when Kohli went berserk at the end when aus was almost running away with the game.

For those who say Babar doesn't have the same support that Kohli enjoys in the indian team, OK point taken. Lets compare Babar in KK with Kohli in RCB. Kohli has had a few 100 run partnerships with ABD in which ABD's s/r would be over 200 while Kohli too would be more than 175 but Babar on the other hand with Sharjeel going at 200 was 130 playing out singles.

A couple of seasons ago KK was playing a knockout match chasing a score of over 180. babar and Joe Denly had a huge partnership of over 100 but with similar strike rates of 120 and by the time they got out and hitters like Colin Ingram came out the RRR was out of hand. Babar just lacks the skill to up the ante at will.

For those you argue that Kohli scores on flat track wickets Kohli has match winning knocks in both ODis and T20s in SENA countries as well. I still remember the 130 he scored while chasing 320 in 40 overs against the likes of Malinga. Not sure Babar can ever emulate that.

I don't buy the argument that Babar pads his average by playing against weak teams like ZIM, SL, BAN n ROW. If that was the case then why didn't the rest of the Pak batsmen perform well. But even against those teams Babars knocks weren't worth remembering. I cannot recall even 1 match where he won it for them single handedly with a strike rate over 150.
 
Babar is a touch player. Outrageous shots are not exactly his forte. Kohli for orthodoxy can pull out some breathtaking on-side shots against good balls. He is a bit like Amla. Kohli despite his stroke playing ability cannot match Rohit Sharma at his best. Everyone has a ceiling. Once in a while, they break the ceiling.
 
Honestly, at 5 or 6, you are not supposed to average that high especially with such <B>low strike rates</B>. That is selfish batting in my opinion. I would take a Pandya who will average 20 but strike them at 140+.

At top order, it is acceptable but nothing special because if ultimately you are not upping your strike rate like say, Virat does( his S/R is 138), then you are not helping the cause of your team much and just ensuring you get to 150-160 type totals.

I don't think anyone batting at 5-6 should be having SR of 120. Also, no one consuming lots of balls should be having SR of 120. There are only 120 ball in T20.
 
Babar is a great batsman with lots of runs under his belt. 47 @ 128 in T20i is very solid for an anchor.

Kohli 53 @ 140 has a slightly different role.

Babar so far ahead? Over the top thread.

Can’t find [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] but iirc we had a good discussion about T20 batsmen roles when he was around.
 
Babar would play an innings of this kind every series if he had a middle-order of Pant, Ilyer and Pandya instead of Nawaz, Faheem and Hasan "Afridi" Ali.

Like how do people who've been following cricket not see such simple things?
 
pure talent wise Babar is ahead of Kohli, question is will Babar justify his talent and remain an elite player for a long duration like Tendulkar
 
We need to keep perspective on the innings guys. Yes it was incredible but we need more dependability from Bobby against all opponents on all stages.

This was a great innings and a perfect retort to the criticism he received last time out - he needs to use this innings along with his consistency and recent ODI ranking to press on and deliver more innings of this ilk.
 
Lowest SR in a T20I innings with 40+ balls for Pakistan:
(Since 2018)

91.1 - 41 (45) - Babar Azam vs Zimbabwe - Today
97.6 - 40 (41) - Babar Azam vs New Zealand - 2018
100 - 50 (50) - Babar Azam vs South Africa - 2021
100 - 41 (41) - Babar Azam vs New Zealand - 2018
102 - 45 (44) - Babar Azam vs Australia - 2018
 
Such an insult to even put Babar near the greatest T20I batsman of all time. Are Pakistani fans okay?
 
But but but he's the number one ranked ODI batsmen so he must be better than Kohli&#55357;&#56877;
 
Lowest SR in a T20I innings with 40+ balls for Pakistan:
(Since 2018)

91.1 - 41 (45) - Babar Azam vs Zimbabwe - Today
97.6 - 40 (41) - Babar Azam vs New Zealand - 2018
100 - 50 (50) - Babar Azam vs South Africa - 2021
100 - 41 (41) - Babar Azam vs New Zealand - 2018
102 - 45 (44) - Babar Azam vs Australia - 2018

Why blame Babar when other batsmen are not even doing that much ?
 
Lowest SR in a T20I innings with 40+ balls for Pakistan:
(Since 2018)

91.1 - 41 (45) - Babar Azam vs Zimbabwe - Today
97.6 - 40 (41) - Babar Azam vs New Zealand - 2018
100 - 50 (50) - Babar Azam vs South Africa - 2021
100 - 41 (41) - Babar Azam vs New Zealand - 2018
102 - 45 (44) - Babar Azam vs Australia - 2018

The same Babar chased 200 odd in 18 overs against South Africa in South Africa. If anything, today's loss was on the middle order but yeah, Babar is capable of more and is underachieving at the moment.
 
That century against South Africa flattered him. It was against a poor bowling attack on a flat pitch, and that poor bowling attack produced the worst bowling performance possible.

They served more pies than a French bakery. Literally every second ball was a boundary ball. Even Misbah could have padded up and tonked the bowlers in that innings.

England and India could have scored 250+ against that bowling.

Babar is not an impactful T20 player. He is an accumulator like Amla and can pick up boundaries when the ball is in his zone, but he cannot hit enough sixes against quality bowling.
 
That century against South Africa flattered him. It was against a poor bowling attack on a flat pitch, and that poor bowling attack produced the worst bowling performance possible.

They served more pies than a French bakery. Literally every second ball was a boundary ball. Even Misbah could have padded up and tonked the bowlers in that innings.

England and India could have scored 250+ against that bowling.

Babar is not an impactful T20 player. He is an accumulator like Amla and can pick up boundaries when the ball is in his zone, but he cannot hit enough sixes against quality bowling.
I am sure that is not the case and that was a brilliant knock as pakistan will enter the T20 tournament as underdogs and could surprise India
 
Babar is a selfish player (Like Tendulqar but inferior talent) and has more interest in his personal record rather than team winning. Today's match is the glowing example.
 
That century against South Africa flattered him. It was against a poor bowling attack on a flat pitch, and that poor bowling attack produced the worst bowling performance possible.

They served more pies than a French bakery. Literally every second ball was a boundary ball. Even Misbah could have padded up and tonked the bowlers in that innings.

England and India could have scored 250+ against that bowling.

Babar is not an impactful T20 player. He is an accumulator like Amla and can pick up boundaries when the ball is in his zone, but he cannot hit enough sixes against quality bowling.

Amla has better ability to score faster. More shot range.
 
Babar is a selfish player (Like Tendulqar but inferior talent) and has more interest in his personal record rather than team winning. Today's match is the glowing example.

What a dumb comment

I guess he tried to hit a six to reach his 50 in that situation?
 
pure talent wise Babar is ahead of Kohli, question is will Babar justify his talent and remain an elite player for a long duration like Tendulkar

Not really!!! Babar is nowhere near Kohli (In any format) or Tendulqar (ODI/Test). He is only good according to our standard.
 
What a dumb comment

I guess he tried to hit a six to reach his 50 in that situation?

But still he was playing slow from the start. The reason he got out because he has lack of muscle power to hit 6s in bigger boundaries.
 
pure talent wise Babar is ahead of Kohli, question is will Babar justify his talent and remain an elite player for a long duration like Tendulkar

How would you define pure talent? How is Babar more talented than Kohli?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another record broken by Babar Azam. He has become the fastest player to score 2000 runs in T20Is. He has reached the milestone in 52 innings, beating Virat Kohli who reached 2000 runs in 56 innings <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1386256380466802689?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Babar is a selfish player (Like Tendulqar but inferior talent) and has more interest in his personal record rather than team winning. Today's match is the glowing example.

Tendulkar wasn't selfish, he just bottled it when the pressure got too intense. Its not completely fair to blame him because no other player in history has quite faced the same level of pressure and most other batsman wouldn't even get their team to the position he single-handedly could. Obviously, Babar shouldn't even be mentioned as the same breath as Tendulkar who by the time he had reached Babar's age was already in the Wisden's, Bradman's and Benaud's All Time XI's.

Its also unfair to compare Babar to Kohli who has batted in a very strong Indian line-up filled with power-hitters and stroke-makers and has had the opportunity to spend so much time batting with guys like Sachin, Sehwag, Dhoni, AB, Rohit, Gayle etc. Kohli has had a lot more opportunity to learn from the best and develop though it is also true that he had to face that much more competition to do it.

From where both players started, both can be satisfied with what they have achieved as they have made the best use of their opportunities and talent.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another record broken by Babar Azam. He has become the fastest player to score 2000 runs in T20Is. He has reached the milestone in 52 innings, beating Virat Kohli who reached 2000 runs in 56 innings <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1386256380466802689?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Good stuff from Babar.

Not sure I'd f fancy Kohli to break these records at the cost of India's wins. But great individual achievement.
 
Babar Azam vs Top Sides (barring Zim) - 1628 @ 46.51 - S/R 128.18

Kohli vs Top Sides (barring Afg, Zim, UAE etc) 2945 @ 53.54 - S/R 141.04

PS: Babar vs Zimbabwe average and S/R is same. Sooo...
 
Babar Azam vs Top Sides (barring Zim) - 1628 @ 46.51 - S/R 128.18

Kohli vs Top Sides (barring Afg, Zim, UAE etc) 2945 @ 53.54 - S/R 141.04

PS: Babar vs Zimbabwe average and S/R is same. Sooo...

Babar azam vs actual top sides(Nz,aus,sa,eng,icc world xi)

29 innings
1250 runs
11 50s
135 Sr
 
Babar 50 on a sluggish wicket

Kohli failing on a belter

Babar is far ahead of Kohli right now as a T20 batsman!
 
Only a fool will tell you that Kohli right now is a better T20 or ODI batsman than Babar!
 
Well times change, Babar is building on the formula Kohli expanded which was built by the great ODI batsman a generation earlier (Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting). I'd say AB was probably the most skileld T20 batsman ever but he lacked the consistency of Kohli.

Babar is simply combining the 360 skills of AB with the consistency of Kohli...I said simply because it isn't simple.

This happens in sport.
 
Anyways....a brilliant 50 by Babar today. Once again showcasing his unmatched T20 prowess..

Already feel bad for the Starcs and the Archers and the Bumrahs at the T20 WC as they'd be right in the firing line of the destructive force that is King Babar. Hope they move the boundaries a bit longer back as it can get pretty boring...
 
Kohli really needed a 40 ball 60 odd today so that those who are at liberty with reality could have harped on about how Babar isn’t even close to tying his shoe laces

Oh well, he just got out to a Sam Curran thunderbolt...
 
Kohli really needed a 40 ball 60 odd today so that those who are at liberty with reality could have harped on about how Babar isn’t even close to tying his shoe laces

Oh well, he just got out to a Sam Curran thunderbolt...

1+.
Most of the people are commenting without having seen today ‘s match. Wicket was very slow coupled with long boundaries. Had kohli played on this pitch , he might have been unable to reach double digit😁
 
1+.
Most of the people are commenting without having seen today ‘s match. Wicket was very slow coupled with long boundaries. Had kohli played on this pitch , he might have been unable to reach double digit😁

Ohh so now we are comparing a domestic league to an international match. Wow this is another level
 
But still he was playing slow from the start. The reason he got out because he has lack of muscle power to hit 6s in bigger boundaries.

So it's his lack of muscles not lack of will to be destructive?
If so how is he selfish. Any runs he scores also help increase the teams total incase you did not know. If he was playing dots or not trying to hit boundaries then you have a point otherwise its just baseless hatred.
 
Yeah but comon against a Zimbabwe bowling attack.

Zimbabwe have couple good bowlers, bowling with clever changes in pace. Pitch became sluggish after first few overs whilst Pak batted. Pitches in the last two matches were worst. Babar and Rizwan are doing fine it's the others including the supposedly in form players Hafeez and Fakhar.
 
Anyways....a brilliant 50 by Babar today. Once again showcasing his unmatched T20 prowess..

Already feel bad for the Starcs and the Archers and the Bumrahs at the T20 WC as they'd be right in the firing line of the destructive force that is King Babar. Hope they move the boundaries a bit longer back as it can get pretty boring...
Let him showcase his prowess against spin bowlers like jadeja,sundar and still not convinced of his ability to play quality spin bowling. Fakhar,Imad,Rizwan will do better than him in the world cup.
 
Anyways....a brilliant 50 by Babar today. Once again showcasing his unmatched T20 prowess..

Already feel bad for the Starcs and the Archers and the Bumrahs at the T20 WC as they'd be right in the firing line of the destructive force that is King Babar. Hope they move the boundaries a bit longer back as it can get pretty boring...

Babar has tonked the likes of Rabada Nortje....Steyn Cummins ...so don't know what ur point was......hope u r wearing mask nd using soap....
 
Anyways....a brilliant 50 by Babar today. Once again showcasing his unmatched T20 prowess..

Already feel bad for the Starcs and the Archers and the Bumrahs at the T20 WC as they'd be right in the firing line of the destructive force that is King Babar. Hope they move the boundaries a bit longer back as it can get pretty boring...

Lol I am pretty sure he isn't scared of any of tham infact I have seen him dominate the WC bowlers from time to time, so not an issue

He'll be scared of top spinners tho...
 
Another consistent contribution in a win Even when hes not fluent he churns out the runs Thats the mark of a top class batsman

Babar E Azam
 
It’s not like Kohli got out to Trent Boult today for 8....it was Sam Curran.

IPL bowlers are way better than Zimbabwe bowlers. The same Sam Curran would walk into Zimbabwe's team as their premier fast bowler and tear a new a$$ hole into the batsmen of this Pakistan team.
 
IPL bowlers are way better than Zimbabwe bowlers. The same Sam Curran would walk into Zimbabwe's team as their premier fast bowler and tear a new a$$ hole into the batsmen of this Pakistan team.

Lol he has enough pace for Fakhar Zaman to give him a tour of Slog sweep city
 
Babar Azam vs Top Sides (barring Zim) - 1628 @ 46.51 - S/R 128.18

Kohli vs Top Sides (barring Afg, Zim, UAE etc) 2945 @ 53.54 - S/R 141.04

PS: Babar vs Zimbabwe average and S/R is same. Sooo...

Of the 54 T20Is, Babar has played 11 home games in the sluggish UAE wickets where all batsmen struggled with SR and Babar's career SR is 116 in the UAE which is dragging his overall SR down. For comparison, Babar's SR is 140 for the home games played in Pakistan. Kohli has never played in UAE. Did you account for that?
 
Filed under one of those threads that you see only on PP.

This might be a controversial opinion here, but forget about Kohli, I think there are players better suited to the T20 format than Babar in the Pakistani team itself.
 
Babar has tonked the likes of Rabada Nortje....Steyn Cummins ...so don't know what ur point was......hope u r wearing mask nd using soap....
Let us see when the t20 world cup starts and the issue will be against spin and not fast bowlers..
 
Babar has tonked the likes of Rabada Nortje....Steyn Cummins ...so don't know what ur point was......hope u r wearing mask nd using soap....

Cummins is not a good T20 bowler he is getting beaten everywhere.he holds the record for most runs given in an IPL innings along with Sam Curran.And everyone is going berserk against rabada.he lost Delhi a match against Rajasthan in a low scoring match giving 15 runs and was most expensive bowler against Punjab along with Chris woakes and against Mumbai on slow pitch.In the match against SRH he almost lost the match giving 15 runs in penultimate over against a domestic all-rounder jagdeesan suchith on slow and low pitch hence he did not even bowled the super over and akshar Patel was preferred over him.
 
Cummins is not a good T20 bowler he is getting beaten everywhere.he holds the record for most runs given in an IPL innings along with Sam Curran.And everyone is going berserk against rabada.he lost Delhi a match against Rajasthan in a low scoring match giving 15 runs and was most expensive bowler against Punjab along with Chris woakes and against Mumbai on slow pitch.In the match against SRH he almost lost the match giving 15 runs in penultimate over against a domestic all-rounder jagdeesan suchith on slow and low pitch hence he did not even bowled the super over and akshar Patel was preferred over him.
Steyn is not the same bowler he used to be.Now every Tom and Harry is giving him beating.Nortje is very good bowler and no doubt he ran through Pakistan batting line up.
 
Filed under one of those threads that you see only on PP.

This might be a controversial opinion here, but forget about Kohli, I think there are players better suited to the T20 format than Babar in the Pakistani team itself.

Pakistan 😆 here people have very weak recollection i remember once babar failed to reach 2 digit score in 3 match series and Pak was thrashed by sri lanka c team,

All the t20 series wins against SENA is due to babars consistency
 
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IPL bowlers are way better than Zimbabwe bowlers. The same Sam Curran would walk into Zimbabwe's team as their premier fast bowler and tear a new a$$ hole into the batsmen of this Pakistan team.
Sam Curran has played Pakistan and offered no threat what so ever.
 
Don't see any point of bumping this thread.

Kohli even with higher samples is averaging higher than Babar and at a better strike rate than him in T20s.

Let's compare Babar to all the current Indian players in T20s to see where he lies compared to them:-

Kohli 52, 139
Rohit 32, 138
Rahul 39, 142
Iyer 29, 134
Manish 44, 126
DK 36, 146
Babar 46, 129

Based on these stats, the rankings based on strike rate( the most important factor in T20s) are :-

1.Kohli
2. Rohit
3. Rahul
4. DK
5. Babar/Iyer/Pandey

Between Babar, Iyer and Pandey, Iyer has best S/R but his average is lower. Babar and Pandey have similar stats but I am liberal enough to rate Babar higher than Pandey in T20s after that inning vs SA in which five of their main players ran away to attend the IPL season.
 
Don't see any point of bumping this thread.

Kohli even with higher samples is averaging higher than Babar and at a better strike rate than him in T20s.

Let's compare Babar to all the current Indian players in T20s to see where he lies compared to them:-

Kohli 52, 139
Rohit 32, 138
Rahul 39, 142
Iyer 29, 134
Manish 44, 126
DK 36, 146
Babar 46, 129

Based on these stats, the rankings based on strike rate( the most important factor in T20s) are :-

1.Kohli
2. Rohit
3. Rahul
4. DK
5. Babar/Iyer/Pandey

Between Babar, Iyer and Pandey, Iyer has best S/R but his average is lower. Babar and Pandey have similar stats but I am liberal enough to rate Babar higher than Pandey in T20s after that inning vs SA in which five of their main players ran away to attend the IPL season.

This is as thought-provoking as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]' assertion that Rishabh Pant possesses the wicketkeeping ability of Josh Hazlewood.
 
Respective fans will decide who is better :) Babar fans appear to be content with what Babar has to offer. Kohli after his life-changing event did lose focus a bit. He was close to his best in the T20 series against England. Indian fans are never going to be content with Kohli. They will keep expecting more and more. Already one of the richest cricketers in cricket history. Married to an A-list Bollywood actress. With the new baby, he probably will have some time to find his rhythm, hunger he had before. Indian fans will not trade Kohli with anyone in world cricket.
 
Because in big games like today, we expect him to deliver big and help his team win the match.
 
Matched Kohli with a half-century today:

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Kohli is making soft runs for last few years now. I can't remember one good knock of him from ages ago.
 
Babar has been better than him for some time now, but Kohli was very good today. That six he hit on Shaheen in his 3rd over into a dream spell was sublime. Vintage Kohli
 
A wild slog today:

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In this format alone Kohli might never have a T20 wc but he has two Mos back to back..

This definitely was his strongest format once upon a time, it’s unfortunate that he is being compared to Babar now.. Kohli of 2012-2016 was a T20 beast.. that should be Babar’s comparison Kohli 2012-2016
 
A wild slog today:

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The writing was on the wall here

Babar 9 off 10

Rizwan 17 off 20
 
In this format alone Kohli might never have a T20 wc but he has two Mos back to back..

This definitely was his strongest format once upon a time, it’s unfortunate that he is being compared to Babar now.. Kohli of 2012-2016 was a T20 beast.. that should be Babar’s comparison Kohli 2012-2016

I think people forget how good he was a while back. Then goes through a bad phase, and people start comparing every tom-dick-and harry to him. Not saying Babar isn't good but compared to 2012-2016, it's not a comparison.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another record broken by Babar Azam. He has become the fastest player to score 2000 runs in T20Is. He has reached the milestone in 52 innings, beating Virat Kohli who reached 2000 runs in 56 innings <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1386256380466802689?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

These are the scenarios when context goes missing behind the stats.

Kohli has always been skipping usless T20s against lower ranked teams or matches that would otherwise be "easy". Barely ever even showed up against minnow/second string attacks, losing the opportunity to inflate stats.
 
There is only one king , that’s Kohli . Babar azam at his best would be the greatest Pakistani batsman of last 4 decades. Kohli has already achieved so much that a babar azam or any other contemporary of him will take two life times to reach that mark.
 
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