Why Misbah is still in the ODI Team!

[BoomBoomCricket]

It was a pleasure watching Shafiq batting along side experienced Misbah Ul Haq. He is really developing under his wings and guidance.

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

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What on earth does Azhar Ali have todo with this? He's a newcomer who hasn't even cemented his spot in the TEST side - where strike rotation isn't as important as in LOIs - and has ALOT to learn; whereas, Misbah, is supposed to be a 'senior' in ALL formats guiding the youngsters - he himself should've put up a better show than what he did in the semi final, but instead bottled it when it mattered most.

How much cricket have you been following? MuH has never really had a "middle game" he is renowned for BUT still his record is pretty good which proves it's not that big of an issue for him to succeed. He still produces the results.

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

Anchor? These guys don't go at strike rates of 60.. they play fluent innings and get a move on.. they don't think of the just the first and last 10 overs.. they think about the whole 50 overs and how to maximize runs instead of just waiting for the 3rd batting powerplay.

Hussey has come in many crisis situations at 5 and has led his team to victory and thats why he is Mr.Cricket.

And someone like Misbah can be never compared to him as I think you did earlier.

Misbah has also won many games batting at 5 in run chases if you remember correctly.

Misbah and Hussey share similarities.

Both started their careers relatively late for one.

Both are renowned for their immense cricketing intellect amongst their boards and fellow team mates.

Both have achieved plenty in all formats during their short lived careers.

 

[Fallen King]

It's so unfair that people are targeting Misbah because of one match. He is reliable middle order batsman and very consistent.

If people are willing to show leniency to Gul for his one poor performance, then why not Misbah too. After all, he is the reason that revived middle order batting line ever since the Pak-SA series.

 

[cricfan4ever]

It's so unfair that people are targeting Misbah because of one match. He is reliable middle order batsman and very consistent.

If people are willing to show leniency to Gul for his one poor performance, then why not Misbah too. After all, he is the reason that revived middle order batting line ever since the Pak-SA series.

because Gul has delivered in many big games...read T20 WCs (was the leading wicket taker in 2007 and 2009), and up until the SF he was also having a phenomenal WC...just had an off-day where he just couldn't get anything going his way even after giving his 100% effort and also for the fact that his poor day didn't really hurt our chances of winning as we restricted India to 260 on a 300+ pitch, especially after the start they got...

but it was different for Misbah...all that was required from him was to keep the scoreboard moving by simply playing risk free cricket by taking 1s and 2s...how hard can it be? instead he had no intention of even trying to do that as a result tht put pressure on his partners and they lost their wickets...and by the time Misbah woke up, it was 2 late...match was already lost when Afridi got out...

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

because Gul has delivered in many big games...read T20 WCs (was the leading wicket taker in 2007 and 2009), and up until the SF he was also having a phenomenal WC...just had an off-day where he just couldn't get anything going his way even after giving his 100% effort and also for the fact that his poor day didn't really hurt our chances of winning as we restricted India to 260 on a 300+ pitch, especially after the start they got...

but it was different for Misbah...all that was required from him was to keep the scoreboard moving by simply playing risk free cricket by taking 1s and 2s...how hard can it be? instead he had no intention of even trying to do that as a result tht put pressure on his partners and they lost their wickets...and by the time Misbah woke up, it was 2 late...match was already lost when Afridi got out...

"Building Pressure on others" is a misused term in this instance. Umar, Razzaq & Afridi are naturally aggressive stroke makers. They were always going to play in the same manner regardless. Misbah's aim was to keep one end closed & take the game towards the last 5 overs while the power houses did the bulk of the scoring while he simply stayed at the wicket & got himself set in the hope of at least one of the big 3 being with him at the time when he was ready to unleash. Unfortunately wickets were lost at crucial times and Misbah was left as an alone warrior in the latter stages. Let's face it-the only way the game was going to be won after Pak were 4 down was in a nail biting climax. Tension can get to the best in the business and it is unreasonable to summarise people's whole careers by referring to these games. We all sympathised with Saeed Ajmal in St Lucia 2010 because we knew what a champion bowler he was as an example.

Let's not forget Misbah was the 3rd leading run scorer in the 2007 T20 WC and the highest from the Pakistan side who concluded as finalists. Hence, he has done it on the big stage including a knock of 66* against Australia in a crucial super 8 encounter. He averaged 55 in the tournament. Not to mention he averaged 50 in the 2011 CWC too including an 83* against Sri Lanka.

 

[ahsan88]

Honestly Maaz, you should stop trying to defend Misbah's SF innings now. He played badly in that loss but it doesn't mean he is not a solid player.

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

Honestly Maaz, you should stop trying to defend Misbah's SF innings now. He played badly in that loss but it doesn't mean he is not a solid player.

Unfortunately if people keep bringing it up as an excuse to exclude him from the current side we are left with no choice!

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

I have pulled out 2 comments from another PP thread of 2 posters I have always enjoyed reading on a variety of topics. Some serious food for thought here. Even past greats have labelled MuH as an "unlucky" player in the semi final so it's perfectly reasonable if others do too. Here are the posts:-

1)^What rubbish. In the semi final he played according to the team plan, which was for him to be there till the very end. And he was successful in the plan while others around him failed. You can't blame batting failures of others on him. You can blame the overall approach but then that's on all parties, coach, captain, vice captain.

2) Friggin haters! if it wasn't for misbah we would have lost the SF by 60 runs! He has played quite a few match winning innings, which is proved by his not outs! PLEASE stop being childish, he does have an issue of sometimes not rotating the strike but get over it! every batsman has weaknesses.

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

11 out of 15 of Misbah's ODI half centuries have come in winning causes.

 

[pak4life]

with the usual pcb policy they will drop him 6 months before the next world cup.

 

[Poison]

with the usual pcb policy they will drop him 6 months before the next world cup.

Misbah will be 41 come next WC

 

[Theo_14]

We need an experinced-campaigner, but with Misbah USUALLY dead-batting the ball is that really something youngsters should learn?

Misbah fits in the category of "experienced-campaigner" and I'm pretty sure when PP'ers say you should "lead by example" they mean in terms of appearance and personality on the pitch.

The youngsters learn by seniors's advice and look up to their personality - not their style of play, it just doesn't make sense.

In my opinion Malik n Yousuf were two solid middle over batsmen who knew how to pick the ones n twos and hit the odd boundary. Misbah doesn't always realize the value of middle overs where you should be milking the runs rather then wasting valuable balls.

I'd love Moyo to be in the side - that's a good example you have given as he has proven many times before that he can get the best out of youngsters however I can't see PCB selecting him in the ODI's although they should consider him in the longer format of the game.

And for Malik - I'm not sure if he's corrupted or not, but I just don't want the player near the side - we need to stop going back in time and select players.. Because we'll end up dropping some of them and then start to make statements like "its time to inject new blood to the side" I'd have Moyo over Malik, but Malik over Moyo? Never.

Interesting, Misbah has much better ODI career stats than YK.

I'm pretty sure Misbah's average will go down if he plays a run of series in England or Australlia.

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

In 2010 Pakistan won 5 ODIs in the calendar year out of 18 encounters. Misbah was not part of the team with the exception of 2 matches. In 2011 Pakistan have already won 10 ODIs out of 13 he has played in. Since coming into the side this is the difference and impact he has made to the ODI side. The change in fortunes his stature and presence has brought in the side speaks for itself. On current form he is up there amongst one of the best batsmen in the world right now. The New Zealand coach was insisting to his players :" we should learn how to bat like Misbah and take a leaf out of his book." It's pure ignorance to degrade his credentials and role in the LO side at this moment in time.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Matches won and lost..... when Misbah has played.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=2;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=1;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

1) He has been in a winning side 48 out of his 72 innings...

2) Look at each of the scorecards (excluding WC Semi) where he was playing when we lost.... and then look at his indivdial contribution!

I think this HAS to silence ANY doubters?

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

Matches won and lost..... when Misbah has played.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=2;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=1;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

1) He has been in a winning side 48 out of his 72 innings...

2) Look at each of the scorecards (excluding WC Semi) where he was playing when we lost.... and then look at his indivdial contribution!

I think this HAS to silence ANY doubters?

Top job.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

MISBAH is one of the FEW players in the PAK team that has a BRAIN....

ie he is NOT retarted.

In the WC our field positioning and planning was BRILLIANT.....

Do you really think that AFRIDI was behind all this?

There are so many INTANGIBLE benefits to having a SMART person in your team....

I am 100% behind his thought process in the Semi - He FAILED in executing the PLAN!

Re T20 loss.... people remember that STUPID shot... but FORGET the rescue job in getting us to THAT point!

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

MISBAH is one of the FEW players in the PAK team that has a BRAIN....

ie he is NOT retarted.

In the WC our field positioning and planning was BRILLIANT.....

Do you really think that AFRIDI was behind all this?

There are so many INTANGIBLE benefits to having a SMART person in your team....

I am 100% behind his thought process in the Semi - He FAILED in executing the PLAN!

Re T20 loss.... people remember that STUPID shot... but FORGET the rescue job in getting us to THAT point!

You have totally cracked the point I was trying to convey to them all along.

 

[sam]

MISBAH is one of the FEW players in the PAK team that has a BRAIN....

ie he is NOT retarted.

Which is why he used is brain all through the semi-final Vs India and wasted [along with YK] 10 overs in a 50 over game?

Misbah often fails to rotate strike and that is what causes the other "brainless" ones in the team to lose their wicket trying to up the rate.

In the WC our field positioning and planning was BRILLIANT.....

Do you really think that AFRIDI was behind all this?

a. Field positioning and planning wasn't brilliant

b. Even if it was, what makes you so sure Misbah with his non-retarded brains was the only one responsible?

There are so many INTANGIBLE benefits to having a SMART person in your team....

Such as dropped catches and slow batting?

I am 100% behind his thought process in the Semi - He FAILED in executing the PLAN!

If he FAILED in executing the plan, how does it make him a smart person/ player?

Kamran Akmal "plans" to take stunning catches but doesn't quite execute the plan. Would you call him smart and talk of the intangible benefits of having a smart person in your team?

Re T20 loss.... people remember that STUPID shot... but FORGET the rescue job in getting us to THAT point!

Rescue job or not, Misbah didn't get his team a win. Similarly, losing by 80, 50 or 29 runs is just the same because at the end of the day, it is a loss.

If Misbah is to be regarded as a good finisher, he will need to win Pakistan games and not [just] score in a losing cause.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

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I think your response is a bit unfair.....

You are answering the points with points that are already acknowledged by all parties... Further these points dont even actually answer the points I raised above

1) The planning and field positioning WAS EXCELLENT for a change....

Why do I think that Misbah was responsible? Cos Afridi is brainless and was about to be removed from captaincy... the only reason he stayed instead of Misbah was if he allowed Misbah more influence and also if he didn't shout at other players as much....

2) Have a read of post 175... it will answer a number of your concerns...

 

[sam]

1) The planning and field positioning WAS EXCELLENT for a change....

Why do I think that Misbah was responsible? Cos Afridi is brainless and was about to be removed from captaincy... the only reason he stayed instead of Misbah was if he allowed Misbah more influence and also if he didn't shout at other players as much....

And how exactly do you know Afridi was retained captain because he allowed Misbah "more influence"?

If planning and fields work, it is somebody else planning and doing it because Afridi is well, brainless.

If it is bad, then let's blame Afridi because yeah, he's brainless.

Win-win situation for you, eh?

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

PS:

I dont think Misbah is as good as some people make out to be.... but he is a decent player who currently deserves his place in the side....

 

[sam]

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I think your response is a bit unfair.....

You are answering the points with points that are already acknowledged by all parties... Further these points dont even actually answer the points I raised above

I wonder how though. See below:

I am 100% behind his thought process in the Semi - He FAILED in executing the PLAN!

If he FAILED in executing the plan, how does it make him a smart person/ player?

Kamran Akmal "plans" to take stunning catches but doesn't quite execute the plan. Would you call him smart and talk of the intangible benefits of having a smart person in your team?

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

And how exactly do you know Afridi was retained captain because he allowed Misbah "more influence"?

If planning and fields work, it is somebody else planning and doing it because Afridi is well, brainless.

If it is bad, then let's blame Afridi because yeah, he's brainless.

Win-win situation for you, eh?

Because it is clear to see... if you are looking....

when Afridi has the free reign he bites the ball and scuffs the pitch and runs around like he is high on something....

He was about to be dropped as captain cos players were unhappy with his aggressive nature... Misbah would have taken over.... but they must have come to some sort of agreement for the sake of PAK cricket...

PS: I think Afridi is a brilliant ODI player too... He brings loads to the side and as a Captain has done really well....

He is aggressive... He is no nonsense.... He is a Pathan.... You need an Alpha Male to control the rabble that is the PAK team... he provides that...

BUT NO ONE CAN DENY he is brainless!

PLUS from MISBAH captaining the TEST and DOMESTIC teams you can see that he has a brain.....

You can tell when MISBAH talks about cricket... You can tell from the way he builds an innings...

Re balming Afridi for being brainless....

I have blamed Misbah for plenty too....

For me its WIN WIN when PAK win!

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

I wonder how though. See below:


If he FAILED in executing the plan, how does it make him a smart person/ player?

Kamran Akmal "plans" to take stunning catches but doesn't quite execute the plan. Would you call him smart and talk of the intangible benefits of having a smart person in your team?

If you succeed plenty of times and fail on some occasions... then ist this ok...?

Have a look at post 175 which shows when he is succeeded... and when he has failed.....

 

[sam]

Because it is clear to see... if you are looking....

when Afridi has the free reign he bites the ball and scuffs the pitch and runs around like he is high on something....

He was about to be dropped as captain cos players were unhappy with his aggressive nature... Misbah would have taken over.... but they must have come to some sort of agreement for the sake of PAK cricket...

PS: I think Afridi is a brilliant ODI player too... He brings loads to the side and as a Captain has done really well....

He is aggressive... He is no nonsense.... He is a Pathan.... You need an Alpha Male to control the rabble that is the PAK team... he provides that...

BUT NO ONE CAN DENY he is brainless!

PLUS from MISBAH captaining the TEST and DOMESTIC teams you can see that he has a brain.....

You can tell when MISBAH talks about cricket... You can tell from the way he builds an innings...

Re balming Afridi for being brainless....

I have blamed Misbah for plenty too....

For me its WIN WIN when PAK win!

So because Misbah captains well in domestic and tests, he sure must have a role to play in Afridi's ODI captaincy?

lolwut?

What next? Afridi took 21 wicket in the World Cup because Misbah controlled his brain while Afridi was bowling?

 

[sam]

If you succeed plenty of times and fail on some occasions... then ist this ok...?

Have a look at post 175 which shows when he is succeeded... and when he has failed.....

My post was in response to your appraisal of his innings at Mohali: about the planning being right [thereby proving he is a smart cricketer] even though the execution wasn't anywhere near what it should have been.

Don't get his career stats into the picture for defending what was the most pathetic innings by a Pakistani batsman in recent times.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

So because Misbah captains well in domestic and tests, he sure must have a role to play in Afridi's ODI captaincy?

lolwut?

What next? Afridi took 21 wicket in the World Cup because Misbah controlled his brain while Afridi was bowling?

Again you are being unfair...

I dont know if its deliberate or not?

Its a combination of all of the things I said above rather than the one you are picking out...

Its extremely difficult to attribute Misbah or anyone else for making AFRIDI take 21 wickets... so its not even worth debating...

Its better to say that AFRIDI took the 21 wickets off his own back.... which he did...

But when it comes to field placings and general planning... there is NO WAY you can credit AFRIDI cos you know what AFRIDIs brain is like....

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

My post was in response to your appraisal of his innings at Mohali: about the planning being right [thereby proving he is a smart cricketer] even though the execution wasn't anywhere near what it should have been.

Don't get his career stats into the picture for defending what was the most pathetic innings by a Pakistani batsman in recent times.

That is not my hypothesis...

My hypothesis is that I trust that the plan in the semi was ok given how well he has planned previously in similar circmstances... and therefore it must have been the execution that was BAD.

You have to look at his history to be able to make that claim...

If all you look at is THAT innings.... then I can see how you come to your conclusion.... but life isnt that simple.

 

[sam]

Again you are being unfair...

I dont know if its deliberate or not?

Its a combination of all of the things I said above rather than the one you are picking out...

Its extremely difficult to attribute Misbah or anyone else for making AFRIDI take 21 wickets... so its not even worth debating...

Its better to say that AFRIDI took the 21 wickets off his own back.... which he did...

But when it comes to field placings and general planning... there is NO WAY you can credit AFRIDI cos you know what AFRIDIs brain is like....

Afridi is just brainless when it comes to his batting. At everything else, especially his bowling, he is an astoundingly good thinker.

Misbah, YK and the other seniors may have helped him with the field settings [if at all] but attributing everything good to Misbah alone is just daft.

 

[sam]

That is not my hypothesis...

My hypothesis is that I trust that the plan in the semi was ok given how well he has planned previously in similar circmstances... and therefore it must have been the execution that was BAD.

You have to look at his history to be able to make that claim...

If all you look at is THAT innings.... then I can see how you come to your conclusion.... but life isnt that simple.

If he doesn't execute the plan, how is he a smart operator?

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Afridi is just brainless when it comes to his batting. At everything else, especially his bowling, he is an astoundingly good thinker.

Misbah, YK and the other seniors may have helped him with the field settings [if at all] but attributing everything good to Misbah alone is just daft.

Afridi is brainless with more than his batting.... He is an astoundingly good player (esp bowling)... but not thinker...

PS: I dont attribute everything good to Misbah.... But MISBAH is definitely one of the few players that has a BRAIN - we shouldnt waste that while we have it....

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

If he doesn't execute the plan, how is he a smart operator?

Lets say for arguments sake....

If someone executes a plan 9/10 when the average is 7/10.... can he be a smart operator?

 

[sam]

Afridi is brainless with more than his batting.... He is an astoundingly good player (esp bowling)... but not thinker...

PS: I dont attribute everything good to Misbah.... But MISBAH is definitely one of the few players that has a BRAIN - we shouldnt waste that while we have it....

Sorry to break it to you but all good happening in Pakistan cricket isn't because of Misbah.

If the field placing is good, it is because Misbah is compensating for Afridi's brainlessness.

If the field placement is bad, then Afridi is just being himself.

Based on what? Your simple theory that Afridi is brainless and Misbah is well, smart; so all good things will be because of Misbah and all bad because of Afridi.

 

[ShahidAfridi_rulez]

A lot of people have been pushing for Misbah's exclusion from this format, however there is plenty of logic as to why Misbah is still in the ODI team which people are badly failing to consider. Reasons include:

1) Merit: First and foremost he was the leading run scorer in the ODI series against New Zealand and he was also the leading ODI run scorer for Pakistan in the 2011 ICC CWC. He has scored 5 half centuries in his last 11 innings. On ODI form alone his place cannot be questioned by any stretch of the imagination.

2) He has the Test Captaincy firmly in his hands. It always helps when the "real captain" or "major captain" of the national team is in and around the camp for the LO formats so he can keep a close eye on proceedings and share his vision, views and expertise with the management and LO captain. Therefore he should still play ODIs and T20s for however longer he remains captain of the Test team which should by another 2 years as he is building a strong looking side which is producing the desired outcomes.

3) Younis and Misbah were two class acts in whatever format they plan in and making drastic wholesale changes at once is not really the best way forward. You have to take one step at a time and keep a blend of experience and youth. You cannot really axe Younis Khan and Misbah Ul Haq simultaneously just like that. One needs to have at least one experienced batsmen around to help groom and encourage the youngsters and as Misbah has the leadership and superior form in his favour he unquestionably gets priority over Younis at the moment as far this role is concerned.

4) By playing in the LO formats it will help him keep his form, fitness and shape ahead of the Test Series which proceeds and which matters the most. A captain's performance and form accounts for a lot. Hence, if he is playing ODIs it could help the Test team gain as well. Tests have priority in a professional cricketing establishment.

5) Will help him adapt to the conditions ahead of the series which matters most. This should put him in good stead to deliver where and when it matters and look at some new faces from close up which he might be interested in seeing in his Test side for example.

6) Pakistan will struggle to bat 50 overs without an experienced soild anchor role batsmen in the middle order. This is the basic principle of ODI cricket, batting out your overs!

7) He is the Mr Cricket of Pakistan i.e. Mike Hussey of Australia who has a commanding presence at the crease and reads match situations exceedingly well and handles proceedings out there in the middle with a sense of authority, class and expertise. Misbah also has those capabilities as he has demonstrated in his relatively late and short career. Has Hussey retired from LO cricket? He is 35 after all. This is an example to refer to.

8) If a player is succeeding in Test Cricket he is more than good enough to succeed in relatively easier formats. Just a concept which tends to work out and more often than not is the reality.

Some thoughts for consideration here, but to be honest Misbah was never really in serious contention to be axed from the ODI team in the first place and was probably even going to end up leading the side in all formats during the WI tour when Afridi decided he wanted to take rest and who knows maybe Misbah will end up captaining Pakistan in the 2012 ICC WT20 or something of the sort if Afridi is banned or fined as he has been in the past. Misbah certainly has the credentials to stand in whenever needed and do a top job. He is still in the LO side and good to see if you consider the situation with a sense of perspective and clarity.

This is a fantastic post on why Misbahis still in the team.

 

[sam]

Lets say for arguments sake....

If someone executes a plan 9/10 when the average is 7/10.... can he be a smart operator?

When has Misbah executed a plan 9/10 times?

His slow innings have stalled the team's innings a lot of times. More times than not, it requires some special effort from one or two players in the side to make up for Misbah's go-slow approach.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Sorry to break it to you but all good happening in Pakistan cricket isn't because of Misbah.

If the field placing is good, it is because Misbah is compensating for Afridi's brainlessness.

If the field placement is bad, then Afridi is just being himself.

Based on what? Your simple theory that Afridi is brainless and Misbah is well, smart; so all good things will be because of Misbah and all bad because of Afridi.

Its never that black and white from an execution perspective... becasue there are are many variables...

BUT

What is Black and white....

AFRIDI = Brainless
MISBAH = Brain

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

When has Misbah executed a plan 9/10 times?

His slow innings have stalled the team's innings a lot of times. More times than not, it requires some special effort from one or two players in the side to make up for Misbah's go-slow approach.

Forget Misbah for a second.. Do you understand and agree with the principle?

 

[sam]

He is the Mr Cricket of Pakistan i.e. Mike Hussey of Australia who has a commanding presence at the crease and reads match situations exceedingly well and handles proceedings out there in the middle with a sense of authority, class and expertise. Misbah also has those capabilities as he has demonstrated in his relatively late and short career. Has Hussey retired from LO cricket? He is 35 after all. This is an example to refer to.

Too much man-love in that post but this takes the cake!

 

[sam]

Its never that black and white from an execution perspective... becasue there are are many variables...

BUT

What is Black and white....

AFRIDI = Brainless
MISBAH = Brain

Not quite. Unless you want to imagine it is.

 

[ahsan88]

Choro yaaron, raat gayi, baat gayi.

 

[zahid01]

some people will always hate him fact is this is how misbah plays if they did not want him to play like this they should have not picked him at all it,s unfair to lay all blame on misbah for semi final loss there were other factors gul bowling, hafeez disgracefull attempt,younis inning,afridi,s yahoo, razak failing again when it matters and most importantly why did they not take batting powerplay when afridi or razzak were in i personaly i think they were under so much pressure they forgot about the powerplay

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Not quite. Unless you want to imagine it is.

I think we will have to agree to disagree...

I think we need both Afridi and Misbah for now if we want to be a success.

 

[sam]

I think we will have to agree to disagree...

I think we need both Afridi and Misbah for now if we want to be a success.

Ideally, I wouldn't want Misbah in LOIs. Somebody like a Shafiq would be a much better option.

In tests, he is good as tests suit his style of play.

 

[dhonikachamcha]

Why has this thead turned into Vs battleground?

 

[sam]

Why has this thead turned into Vs battleground?

Because Misbah fans [the 3 or 4 that exist] cannot find ways to defend his [lack of] stroke play and launch into some Baba Boom Boom talk instead.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Ideally, I wouldn't want Misbah in LOIs. Somebody like a Shafiq would be a much better option.

In tests, he is good as tests suit his style of play.

Afridi has won 16/30 ODIs as captain overall.


When Misbah has played with him.... Afridi has won 12/17 ODIs as captain....

Its better for Afridi and Pak when Misbah plays with him... whether he helps him or not.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Why has this thead turned into Vs battleground?

Not a battleground as far as I am concerned.

I want both in the team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[sam]

Afridi has won 16/30 ODIs as captain overall.


When Misbah has played with him.... Afridi has won 12/17 ODIs as captain....

Its better for Afridi and Pak when Misbah plays with him... whether he helps him or not.

In those 17 matches, Misbah has played a match winning role in 3 games [93* Vs NZ, 83* Vs SL and 73* Vs WI].

In two other games [against minnows] he's played a substantial role [37 Vs Canada and 65 Vs Kenya].

Other than that, there's not too much to draw confidence from.

Not quite the reason why Afridi as captain won 12 of those 17 ODIs?

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

In those 17 matches, Misbah has played a match winning role in 3 games [93* Vs NZ, 83* Vs SL and 73* Vs WI].

In two other games [against minnows] he's played a substantial role [37 Vs Canada and 65 Vs Kenya].

Other than that, there's not too much to draw confidence from.

Not quite the reason why Afridi as captain won 12 of those 17 ODIs?

Not the reason... but at least a big contributor?

Both with the bat and the thinking?

 

[sam]

Not the reason... but at least a big contributor?

Both with the bat and the thinking?

If he plays a major role in 3/17 games, he is a big contributor? Plus, two of those three games had big contributions from other players too [SL and WI].

The thinking part is your assumption. Let's go by facts alone.

 

[Love Pakistan]

Because he has good average and he is a solid batsman which we don't have in abundance.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

If he plays a major role in 3/17 games, he is a big contributor? Plus, two of those three games had big contributions from other players too [SL and WI].

The thinking part is your assumption. Let's go by facts alone.

He averaged 51 during that period.... the TEAM relied on both AFRIDI and MISBAH..... and OTHERS!

3/17?

The thinking part is more obvious than anything else!

I have a question for you.

Assume a strike rate of 75-80... In what percentage of innings would you expect Misbah to get a score greater than 20?

 

[Easa]

Vast majority of oppositions would have no problem with Misbah ul Haq being selected for Pakistan and actually being at the batting striking end knowing full well his style of play and history of chocking.

Enough said.

It's 'choke', 'choking', and 'choked'. Please get it right.

 

[slblack]

First they wanted someone solid who could stay at the wicket and rotate the strike. Now that we have Misbah for that, threads like these start popping up.

Some people will never be happy.

 

[Easa]

It's 'choke', 'choking', and 'choked'. Please get it right.

And my intention isn't to be condescending. It was just getting a little irritating.

 

[sam]

He averaged 51 during that period.... the TEAM relied on both AFRIDI and MISBAH..... and OTHERS!

3/17?

The thinking part is more obvious than anything else!

Average of 51 and three match winning knocks, two of which had other players in major roles.

3/17 matches where he's made a big impact. Otherwise - nothing!

The thinking part is an assumption like I said. No basis or facts to back that up. Yeah, things like "Afridi is brainless, ya know. So it's all Misbah thinking and setting fields" isn't logic!

I have a question for you.

Assume a strike rate of 75-80... In what percentage of innings would you expect Misbah to get a score greater than 20?

SR of 75-80 is a bit too much to expect from Misbah.

Plus why assume when you have 17 innings to look at. Under Afridi the captain, Misbah has played 3 match winning knocks and played a good hand in two others. The rest, he's done zero.

How is he a big player?!

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Average of 51 and three match winning knocks, two of which had other players in major roles.

3/17 matches where he's made a big impact. Otherwise - nothing!

The thinking part is an assumption like I said. No basis or facts to back that up. Yeah, things like "Afridi is brainless, ya know. So it's all Misbah thinking and setting fields" isn't logic!

I have a question for you.



SR of 75-80 is a bit too much to expect from Misbah.

Plus why assume when you have 17 innings to look at. Under Afridi the captain, Misbah has played 3 match winning knocks and played a good hand in two others. The rest, he's done zero.

How is he a big player?!

You didnt answer my question....

 

[Accumulator]

OMG are some people defending Misbah\'s semi final innings?
Whether he now scores 4 consecutive 100s or double 100s it will not change the fact that he played AWFULLY in the smeifinal.
we needed misbah at the world cup and not after that! we needed him at the world cup because he is an experienced campaigner. since we had some young guys coming into the team, we needed misbah to be there to TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF THOSE YOUNGSTERS, NOT TO PUT IT ON THEM! We feared that these young guys would do something like what misbah did.. but the irony is that misbah did what we needed him NOT to do!

He failed when we needed him. Now at this point, we do not need him. And all those saying that misbah should stay in order to teach or groom the young ones, you guys should know that misbah should be the last person to groom youngsters. We do not want the youngsetrs to bat like him, do we?

 

[Accumulator]

1) Merit: First and foremost he was the leading run scorer in the ODI series against New Zealand and he was also the leading ODI run scorer for Pakistan in the 2011 ICC CWC. He has scored 5 half centuries in his last 11 innings. On ODI form alone his place cannot be questioned by any stretch of the imagination.

That is history now. On basis of his performance in new zealand, he did deserve to go to the world cup, which he did. End of.

2) He has the Test Captaincy firmly in his hands. It always helps when the \"real captain\" or \"major captain\" of the national team is in and around the camp for the LO formats so he can keep a close eye on proceedings and share his vision, views and expertise with the management and LO captain. Therefore he should still play ODIs and T20s for however longer he remains captain of the Test team which should by another 2 years as he is building a strong looking side which is producing the desired outcomes.

What a logic! Dude, we are talking about Pakistan team. Since when did sharing views, expertise etc etc became so important for them?
He should play LOIs because he is our Test captain.

3) Younis and Misbah were two class acts in whatever format they plan in and making drastic wholesale changes at once is not really the best way forward. You have to take one step at a time and keep a blend of experience and youth. You cannot really axe Younis Khan and Misbah Ul Haq simultaneously just like that. One needs to have at least one experienced batsmen around to help groom and encourage the youngsters and as Misbah has the leadership and superior form in his favour he unquestionably gets priority over Younis at the moment as far this role is concerned.

I will repeat what I said in my previous post, Misbah should be the last person to groom young batsmen in one day and t20 cricket! We do not want talented youngsters to approach the LOIs like Misbah does.

4) By playing in the LO formats it will help him keep his form, fitness and shape ahead of the Test Series which proceeds and which matters the most. A captains performance and form accounts for a lot. Hence, if he is playing ODIs it could help the Test team gain as well. Tests have priority in a professional cricketing establishment.

So all international cricketers who ONLY play Test cricket are not fit? Again, what a logic!

5) Will help him adapt to the conditions ahead of the series which matters most. This should put him in good stead to deliver where and when it matters and look at some new faces from close up which he might be interested in seeing in his Test side for example.

So how do other international cricketers who ONLY play Test cricket adapt to the conditions ahead of the series?

6) Pakistan will struggle to bat 50 overs without an experienced soild anchor role batsmen in the middle order. This is the basic principle of ODI cricket, batting out your overs!

With Misbah, Pakistan will surely bat 50 overs and end up with a score that the opposition would chase down in 35 overs. so much for the anchor role. huh

7) He is the Mr Cricket of Pakistan i.e. Mike Hussey of Australia who has a commanding presence at the crease and reads match situations exceedingly well and handles proceedings out there in the middle with a sense of authority, class and expertise. Misbah also has those capabilities as he has demonstrated in his relatively late and short career. Has Hussey retired from LO cricket? He is 35 after all. This is an example to refer to.

That cracked me up!!!I hope Hussey does not visit pakpassion!! Would turn into another zulqarnain if he reads this) )
Mate you do know Hussey is a finisher, no?

8) If a player is succeeding in Test Cricket he is more than good enough to succeed in relatively easier formats. Just a concept which tends to work out and more often than not is the reality.

Einstein, each format is different and has different requirements. Say for example, there is a factor called strike rotation. Although it is vital for success in any format, it is not something compulsory if you are to play test cricket. You can survive in test cricket even if you are not good at it. on the other hand, if cannot rotate strike, you just cannot play LOIs. You can never be a consistent performer at LOIs without this factor. You will be a miss or hit.. but not someone who others can count on.
All in all, all formats have different prerequisites. Whilst there are players who do possess the basic elements for every format, there are many others who are good in one format but awful in other formats.[/quote]

Some thoughts for consideration here, but to be honest Misbah was never really in serious contention to be axed from the ODI team in the first place and was probably even going to end up leading the side in all formats during the WI tour when Afridi decided he wanted to take rest and who knows maybe Misbah will end up captaining Pakistan in the 2012 ICC WT20 or something of the sort if Afridi is banned or fined as he has been in the past. Misbah certainly has the credentials to stand in whenever needed and do a top job. He is still in the LO side and good to see if you consider the situation with a sense of perspective and clarity.

Most of your points are leading to the conclusion that:

- A test captain should play all formats regardless of how effective or ineffective he is.

- All players ahould play all three formats of the game. LOIs help them adapt to conditions ahead of the test series and Tests help them to keep fit for LOIs.

final question: how old are you?

 

[arsalp]

^^ Thank you so much!

 

[arsalp]

Your real batsmen performs when needed most.... end of story.

Example. When I need a doctor to save my life, I need him right there and then..

I don't need one when I'm doing perfectly fine..

A cheesy analogy but makes sense.

Pakistan nation needed Misbah to see us through, but he didn't.

We don't need him bashing lower-ranked teams to boost his avg.

 

[cricfan4ever]

epic post accumulator!!!

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

edit

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

That is history now. On basis of his performance in new zealand, he did deserve to go to the world cup, which he did. End of.




What a logic! Dude, we are talking about Pakistan team. Since when did sharing views, expertise etc etc became so important for them?
He should play LOIs because he is our Test captain.



I will repeat what I said in my previous post, Misbah should be the last person to groom young batsmen in one day and t20 cricket! We do not want talented youngsters to approach the LOIs like Misbah does.



So all international cricketers who ONLY play Test cricket are not fit? Again, what a logic!



So how do other international cricketers who ONLY play Test cricket adapt to the conditions ahead of the series?




With Misbah, Pakistan will surely bat 50 overs and end up with a score that the opposition would chase down in 35 overs. so much for the anchor role. huh




That cracked me up!!!I hope Hussey does not visit pakpassion!! Would turn into another zulqarnain if he reads this) )
Mate you do know Hussey is a finisher, no?




Einstein, each format is different and has different requirements. Say for example, there is a factor called strike rotation. Although it is vital for success in any format, it is not something compulsory if you are to play test cricket. You can survive in test cricket even if you are not good at it. on the other hand, if cannot rotate strike, you just cannot play LOIs. You can never be a consistent performer at LOIs without this factor. You will be a miss or hit.. but not someone who others can count on.
All in all, all formats have different prerequisites. Whilst there are players who do possess the basic elements for every format, there are many others who are good in one format but awful in other formats.

Most of your points are leading to the conclusion that:

- A test captain should play all formats regardless of how effective or ineffective he is.

- All players ahould play all three formats of the game. LOIs help them adapt to conditions ahead of the test series and Tests help them to keep fit for LOIs.

final question: how old are you?[/QUOTE]

Firstly he is effective if you study his stats and know your stuff properly. Having stability and variation in the batting line up can be beneficial even in modern day cricket. He is backbone of the batting line up. Secondly I hope you realise he has not been used properly. And thirdly you made up the last claim yourself when I did not even mention that as a factor. And last but not least how old are you and I don't think you have read the posts properly in this thread because all your answers would have been answered by now?

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

Your real batsmen performs when needed most.... end of story.Example. When I need a doctor to save my life, I need him right there and then..

I don't need one when I'm doing perfectly fine..

A cheesy analogy but makes sense.

Pakistan nation needed Misbah to see us through, but he didn't.

We don't need him bashing lower-ranked teams to boost his avg.

That's why he performed in the 2007 ICC WT20 and 2011 ICC CWC as Pakistan's leading run scorer (even when he was not being used properly).

What does that make players like:
Razzaq
Afridi
Kamran
Younis
Hafeez

then as they also failed in Mohali?

 

[ShaunMarshRules]

People, let it go. He played badly in the WC semi-final. It can happen to the best. Misbah isn't bradman, and he has the unfortunate knack of getting stuck sometimes while batting. He's still a good player.

 

[Savak]

Let me sum up what Inzamam said about Misbah's batting. Il translate it

"And ofcourse i just could not understand Misbah's batting at all. He played 42 dot balls out of the 73 deliveries he played. Everytime Umar Akmal took the initiative to attack the bowler by hitting him for a six on his first ball, he took a single on the next ball only for Misbah to block the last 4 deliveries. The same pattern continued for the remaining overs. If you do not put pressure on the opposition bowlers they will never ever give you any free runs. You have to take the initiative. When Pakistan needed to bat at a run rate of 6 an over, Misbah batted at a run rate of 2, When 8 rpo were required Misbah batted at a rr of 5 and when 15 runs po over required, he batted at a run rate of 8. In Cricket you cannot hope against of hope that you will score 15 runs of the last few deliveries, its just not possible"

Bottomline Misbah is a disgrace. This is not the first time he has cost Pakistan dearly with his phattu approach. I had highlighted this like a billion times way back in 2009 only for my concerns to be dismissed by some influential people here "Misbah has proven that while form is temporary, class is permanent"

I could care less for whatever Misbah achieves as a batsman from here on end, bottom line is he will go down as Pakistan's greatest choker whose complete lack of international temperament in-spite of his advanced age, educational qualifications ended up costing Pakistan the T-20 WC final in 2007, the 2011 WC Semi Final. I totally regret his flukish run of good form in 2007, in the end it just turned out to be the catalyst for the worst ever thing to have ever happened to Pakistani Cricket.

Misbah must forever stained by this whenever he goes out onto the streets of Pakistan.

 

[Fireworks11]

Very well said by Inzamam.

 

[Savak]

Misbah does not even deserve to be mentioned alongside the likes of Aamir Sohail, Ijaz Ahmed, Moin Khan let alone the likes of Inzamam, Yousaf, Younis Khan. Ideally he should have been dropped forever in 2009. I so regret Pakistan not playing any cricket in 2008, Misbah would have been exposed a long time ago for the complete coward/phattu that he is and would have been axed for good.

Has never ever performed for the team when it really mattered.

 

[Savak]

Is it really wise to continue with a 38 year old guy in any format of the game considering the individual is not an experienced campaigner given that he has not played the high amounts of games in ODI's, Test matches as compared to players like even Afridi, Shoaib Malik etc. Misbah is not an experienced campaigner, his real career started in 2007 at the age of 34-35 and even then his choking showed no limited bounds.

The likes of Yousaf, Younis Khan deserve to be persisted with in test cricket because of their vast experience, amounts of runs for Pakistan, their proven performances for Pakistan in the past. Misbah is not even fit to shine their shoes. Should be humiliated and just dropped if he does not announce his retirement immediately.

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

Misbah once more shows why he is the WALL and BRAIN of Pakistan's batting. He sees it through again.

Pakistan win by 7 wickets. Shehzad n Misbah (NO yet again) the top scorers. 2-0 it is. Barbados next.

You could clearly see the difference Misbah made out there in the middle when he came into bat in grooming the youngster. Shehzad was struggling and looking scratchy in the middle overs but once more the man with the composure, coolness and guidance helped him out & got the best out of him. Individually yet another NO for Misbah in run chases. He is a "finisher."

 

[ahsan88]

Misbah now averaging over 43 in ODI's.

 

[Fireworks11]

Misbah in form in WI. Solid innings again.

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

Shehzad began to find his comfort zone once MuH joined him. The benefit of grooming properly.

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

2 catches today as well including a stunner in slip. As ever safe as houses with the "bucket hands."

 

[shahrukh619]

Misbah once more shows why he is the WALL and BRAIN of Pakistan's batting. He sees it through again.

Pakistan win by 7 wickets. Shehzad n Misbah (NO yet again) the top scorers. 2-0 it is. Barbados next.

You could clearly see the difference Misbah made out there in the middle when he came into bat in grooming the youngster. Shehzad was struggling and looking scratchy in the middle overs but once more the man with the composure, coolness and guidance helped him out & got the best out of him. Individually yet another NO for Misbah in run chases. He is a "finisher."

Misbah hit a 73 yesterday and today he hit a 40.

BTW, funny how some people were calling Misbah selfish. If he was really selfish, he would had made his 50 today instead of letting Umar Akmal take the strike.

 

[AZ]

O MISBAH AAGAYA MEYDAAN MEY!

HEY JAMAALO!

O MISBAH CHAA GAYA MEYDAN MEY!!!

HEY JAMAALO!

​

 

[ahsan88]

2 catches today as well including a stunner in slip. As ever safe as houses with the "bucket hands."

Except when he dropped Tendlu in the semi

 

[Fireworks11]

He's flourishing under the role of the 'senior batsman'.