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Will Joe Root beat Sachin Tendulkar's record in Tests for most runs?

Root is only 34 years old. He also seems to be a very fit guy just like Anderson was.

I think he can play for 5-6 more years easily. He has a good chance of surpassing Tendulkar. :inti
 
Roots been cashing in on ultra flat pitches in last few years against some halwa bowlers
 
Things are not in favor of root atm.... Root should have scored some massive runs on these run fest wickets. BUt he failed.
 
Hitman said:
Sachin Tendulkar reached 14,000 Test runs in 279 innings.

Joe Root is currently on 13,115 Test runs in 283 innings.​
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And Sachin faced Wasim, Waqar, Donald, Pollock, Bond, Walsh, Ambrose, Vaas, Murali, Warne, Ntini, Anderson etc on better pitches
 
Root only can score on Highway but now he can't even score on Highway as well . A total sissy player without any impacts.

What is root highest score in australia? Oh he didn't scored a single test century in australia

Joe Root has played 14 Test matches in Australia, with low average of 35 and a highest score of 89.

:kp​

 
sweep_shot said:
I think Root is better than Tendulkar in terms of impact runs. :inti

Tendulkar was the king of soft runs.
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Naw Tenda is defo > Root atm.

Root needs to get his avg to 40 vs Aus in aus and improve his avg to 53 first.

He is behind atm. Although the arguments of the clown gang is moronic. But it is to be expected as their stupid.

Only Hitman has presented a solid argument on sachin hitting 14K runs much faster then root
 
mominsaigol said:
Naw Tenda is defo > Root atm.

Root needs to get his avg to 40 vs Aus in aus and improve his avg to 53 first.

He is behind atm. Although the arguments of the clown gang is moronic. But it is to be expected as their stupid.

Only Hitman has presented a solid argument on sachin hitting 14K runs much faster then root
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You are replying to an idiot. He will pick any non Indian player over an Indian player. You must have known by now.
 
Hitman said:
You are replying to an idiot. He will pick any non Indian player over an Indian player. You must have known by now.
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I already listed the metrics root needs to be > Tendulkar.

1) Get an avg of 40 vs Aus or >
2) Ideally get his avg to 40 on the upcoming bamgladesh tour but this mwtric isnt too important
3) Raise his avg to 53 or above.

Problem is Root is so bad at chasing high totals and impact that even with these metrics fans will bring up his soft scores and impacts as well.

He will probably surpass Dravid and Ponting overall but I highly doubt anyone will view root > those 2 since those 2 played high impact knocks while root is just too meek in comparison
 
mominsaigol said:
I already listed the metrics root needs to be > Tendulkar.

1) Get an avg of 40 vs Aus or >
2) Ideally get his avg to 40 on the upcoming bamgladesh tour but this mwtric isnt too important
3) Raise his avg to 53 or above.

Problem is Root is so bad at chasing high totals and impact that even with these metrics fans will bring up his soft scores and impacts as well.

He will probably surpass Dravid and Ponting overall but I highly doubt anyone will view root > those 2 since those 2 played high impact knocks while root is just too meek in comparison
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He is not even half as good as Ponting.
 
Hitman said:
He is not even half as good as Ponting.
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Peak Ponting is 100x > Root obviously.

Issue is Ponting collapsed like a truck during his later years.

Overall Ponting avg of 51 + his 26 avg in India in an era when pitches weren't doctored and india wasnt a spin haven is somewhat embarrassing.

Root can retire with a better record then ponting tbf.

Honestly Ponting and Kohli are very similar in test cricket, its just Ponting started with a 61 avg while Kohli was at 55 hence kohli's decline is more noticeable.

Another factor being Ponting's decline was post 35 age while Kohli declined as soon as he hit age 29
 
Root test average is 50.9

Another meh Ashes and his Average will be below 50.

He should have never compared with SRT just because he scored soft runs

:kp
 
Sanat Jayasuriya odi wickets are 332. This doesn't mean he is better than Steyn, Zaheer , Shane Warne, Donald, Akhtar etc.

Same case with root, he may have higher runs than most of the batters but that's doens't means he is better than those Batsman . He is very softy player

:kp
 
mominsaigol said:
Naw Tenda is defo > Root atm.

Root needs to get his avg to 40 vs Aus in aus and improve his avg to 53 first.

He is behind atm. Although the arguments of the clown gang is moronic. But it is to be expected as their stupid.

Only Hitman has presented a solid argument on sachin hitting 14K runs much faster then root
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Joe Root never scored test hundred against Australia in Australia. Sachin has 6

Bit like Botham never scored against West Indies - a big black mark in his otherwise impressive credentials
 
Personally speaking, I don’t have an issue with Root overtaking Tendulkar’s run tally. And then Root too is a great Test player, perhaps the best England have ever produced.

Records are meant to be broken and it’s actually a great thing which means players continue to evolve and get better. What’s wrong with that? Bradman’s run tally got surpassed, Gavaskar’s hundreds got surpassed, Hadlee’s 431 got surpassed, Courtney Walsh’s 519 wickets got trumped… it’s ok! Some records will stand for a very long time and some won’t. The legacy of a great player doesn’t need standing records for validation. The sooner the fans realize that, the better off their mental state will be.
 
What is the big deal in Root overtaking Sachin. If he does so be it. Records are meant to be broken. Root has a better chance of breaking as he has 5 test series against two different countries. So he gets to play a lot of tests. IT is totally okay him being the highest run getter in history.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
What is the big deal in Root overtaking Sachin. If he does so be it. Records are meant to be broken. Root has a better chance of breaking as he has 5 test series against two different countries. So he gets to play a lot of tests. IT is totally okay him being the highest run getter in history.
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Exactly, Records are meant to be broken. For eg. Gill has scored 580 odd runs in 2 tests this series and is on track to be the first batsman ever to score 1000 runs in a series, overtaking Bradman’s record of 974 runs. If he does so, will that make him a better batsman than Bradman?
 
Mockingbird said:
Exactly, Records are meant to be broken. For eg. Gill has scored 580 odd runs in 2 tests this series and is on track to be the first batsman ever to score 1000 runs in a series, overtaking Bradman’s record of 974 runs. If he does so, will that make him a better batsman than Bradman?
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He won't overtake Bradman. He will eventually fall below that mark. That's still slightly less then 400 runs required in 3 tests.

That is bloody difficult to achieve.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
What is the big deal in Root overtaking Sachin. If he does so be it. Records are meant to be broken. Root has a better chance of breaking as he has 5 test series against two different countries. So he gets to play a lot of tests. IT is totally okay him being the highest run getter in history.
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So true.
Bradman isn’t even in Top 10 anymore in terms of runs scorer.
 
Bhaijaan said:
He’s far ahead of anyone that’s why the undisputed greatest batsman / Cricketer ever. Probably even the greatest sportsman ever
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I agree. I can't even surpass Bradman on ps5 😭😭.

Tbf I play on the hardest difficulty, otherwise id avg like 500 on easy bit still. With realistic AI, I can't surpass Bradman on a bloody PlayStation.

Forget about real life.
 
mominsaigol said:
I agree. I can't even surpass Bradman on ps5 😭😭.

Tbf I play on the hardest difficulty, otherwise id avg like 500 on easy bit still. With realistic AI, I can't surpass Bradman on a bloody PlayStation.

Forget about real life.
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He was just cut from a different cloth.

The greatest revelation is forget that he played 60 odd tests but he actually has absolutely same record in all the first class cricket he played. He has like 25k first class runs at 99+

What a freak batsman
 
Bhaijaan said:
And Sachin faced Wasim, Waqar, Donald, Pollock, Bond, Walsh, Ambrose, Vaas, Murali, Warne, Ntini, Anderson etc on better pitches
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Bruv you left out Reifel, Gillespie, Akhtar, Lee, Cork, Hoggard, and Flintoff.

Yes he faced the likes of Michael Kasprowicz, but most of his career he was facing giants.
 
Bhaijaan said:
He was just cut from a different cloth.

The greatest revelation is forget that he played 60 odd tests but he actually has absolutely same record in all the first class cricket he played. He has like 25k first class runs at 99+

What a freak batsman
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I reason that as him playing a limited number of players in a limited number of environments. I think that familiarity can account for some of that success.
 
Cricket in 10 years Prediction (Year 2035)

A) Harry Brooks becomes a test ATG legend and one of the goats of the game.

B) Root surpasses Sachin in runs and improves his avg, sparking non stop debate as to who was the superior test batter.

C) Steve Smith retires as the 2nd greatest Australian test batsmen after Bradman.

D) The world witnesses the Storm that is Sam Konstas.

E) Head will be cemented as an ATG, and Indians will continue to downplay him to avoid the traumas of 2023 while crying in the corner.

F) Jaiswal and Gill will mostly be fads with gill becoming an odi and t20 legend but a test failure and Jaiswal just fading away, never to be seen again.

G) Australia rises once again ushering in a new era of domination.

H) Momin becomes the Greatest of all Time on PP Amen.
 
I am preparing for my own retirement from cricket once this record is broken or Joe himself retires.
 
Joe Root notches up his 67th half-century at Lords against India in the 3rd Test...He is now just one shy of equaling Sachin Tendulkar's record of 68 half-centuries in Test format.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Joe Root notches up his 67th half-century at Lords against India in the 3rd Test...He is now just one shy of equaling Sachin Tendulkar's record of 68 half-centuries in Test format.
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He has equaled ponting and kallis for most 50+100 as well.

1) Sachin = 119
2) Ponting + Kallis + root = 103 each
3) dravid = 99
4) Chanderpaul = 96
5) sanga + Border + cook = 90
 
If this ugly, unattractive, defensive way is how Joe Root is gonna bat his way on ultra flat pitches to break Sachin’s record then he can have it but no one will regard him anywhere near Sachin that way.

I’m saying this for the first time now but it would be a travesty if such a batter were to have the record.

There have been at least 30 better test batters in the history of Cricket.

Sachin even at 40 years was a better looking batsman than this.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
They are still holding grudge for Tendulkar breaking Anwar's 194 record lol
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Imran started it by being obsessed with finding a Pakistani answer to Sachin.

I don't understand why some think that Root getting the record for most runs will put him in the league of Gavaskar and Ponting, leave alone Sachin, Lara, Viv or Smith in test cricket.
 
pillionrider said:
Imran started it by being obsessed with finding a Pakistani answer to Sachin.

I don't understand why some think that Root getting the record for most runs will put him in the league of Gavaskar and Ponting, leave alone Sachin, Lara, Viv or Smith in test cricket.
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He has a 50+ avg in every country except Bangladesh, Australia, Pakistan and India.

India, Bangladesh and Pakistan curated duatbowls to deal with him. We all saw sone of the rubbish pitches given to him in pakistan, Bangladesh and india. Despite this he avg 45 and 47 in india and Pakistan.

Bangladesh he avg 27 but hes onpy played 2 games here. England tours Bangladesh. Assuming fair pitches, Root will easily raise his avg to 40 their as well.

Aus is the onpy place he struggles and has to pull his socks up

The fact he avg > 50 on any non duatbowl pitch and excluding Aus puts his record > Sachin.

Hes also been avg 54-55 for the past 4 years.

Root's issue was that unlike sachin and Steve smith who avg 61 and 65 in prime and then declined, Root took the opposite route.

He avg below 50, he use to be a 47 avg batter before his revival in test where he dominated pist 2019.

Its time to accept that he excluding Aus, he has been > Sachin in literally every conditon.

This downplay and insecurity is hilarious.

Now that his avg has reached 51 he has already surpassed ponting.

He surpasses Ponting in every metric. Root's 35 avg is nowhere near as embrassing as Pinting 26 avg in India back when india disnt curate dustbowls.

If you wanna apply the filter towards Ponting that he avg 62 in Prime, well newsflash no one truly cares. Ponting fell off like a truck post 2006 in test cricket.

Ponting 51 Avg, > 40 avg in every country where hes played 5+ games except india where he avg 26, with 13378 runs

Root 51 avg > 40 avg in every country where hes played 5 or more games except aus where he avg 35 not to mention he is closing on run tally as well.

its time to accept root has pulled ahead of Ponting and may pull ahead of Sachin if he has a successful Ashes.

The only argument for Sachin now is that the bowlers he had to face like Ambrose, Anderson, Mcgrath, Warne, Wasim etc etc were tougher then what root is facing in the form of deep, pradish, Shaheen Shah Afridi etc etc
 
mominsaigol said:
He has a 50+ avg in every country except Bangladesh, Australia, Pakistan and India.

India, Bangladesh and Pakistan curated duatbowls to deal with him. We all saw sone of the rubbish pitches given to him in pakistan, Bangladesh and india. Despite this he avg 45 and 47 in india and Pakistan.

Bangladesh he avg 27 but hes onpy played 2 games here. England tours Bangladesh. Assuming fair pitches, Root will easily raise his avg to 40 their as well.

Aus is the onpy place he struggles and has to pull his socks up

The fact he avg > 50 on any non duatbowl pitch and excluding Aus puts his record > Sachin.

Hes also been avg 54-55 for the past 4 years.

Root's issue was that unlike sachin and Steve smith who avg 61 and 65 in prime and then declined, Root took the opposite route.

He avg below 50, he use to be a 47 avg batter before his revival in test where he dominated pist 2019.

Its time to accept that he excluding Aus, he has been > Sachin in literally every conditon.

This downplay and insecurity is hilarious.

Now that his avg has reached 51 he has already surpassed ponting.

He surpasses Ponting in every metric. Root's 35 avg is nowhere near as embrassing as Pinting 26 avg in India back when india disnt curate dustbowls.

If you wanna apply the filter towards Ponting that he avg 62 in Prime, well newsflash no one truly cares. Ponting fell off like a truck post 2006 in test cricket.

Ponting 51 Avg, > 40 avg in every country where hes played 5+ games except india where he avg 26, with 13378 runs

Root 51 avg > 40 avg in every country where hes played 5 or more games except aus where he avg 35 not to mention he is closing on run tally as well.

its time to accept root has pulled ahead of Ponting and may pull ahead of Sachin if he has a successful Ashes.

The only argument for Sachin now is that the bowlers he had to face like Ambrose, Anderson, Mcgrath, Warne, Wasim etc etc were tougher then what root is facing in the form of deep, pradish, Shaheen Shah Afridi etc etc
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The praise for Root towards the end of his career is like the praise Kallis and Sanga got at that stage of their careers. He is superior to both, but my point is, it will soon fade away. Root reduction doesn't always need to come from a place of insecurity for Indians. Even almost all English will agree.
 
pillionrider said:
The praise for Root towards the end of his career is like the praise Kallis and Sanga got at that stage of their careers. He is superior to both, but my point is, it will soon fade away. Root reduction doesn't always need to come from a place of insecurity for Indians. Even almost all English will agree.
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Wdym by fade Away? I dont give a crap about popularity or hype. I respect you alot as a poster but if thats the metric you use to measure a player success then you need to seriously reconsider your approach.

A Players success in test cricket is always measured by the following metrics.

A) Overall Avg
B) Avg across countries where they have played 5+ games in
C) Batting position: Opening is obviously harder.
D) Conversion rate

Amount of runs, Popularity, No of centuries Is an extremely flawed metrics as that is no of matches dependant.

Ww2 era Players are excluded as they had their own era obviously except for Bradman who stands out due to being a massive massive Outlier.

Kallis was a 30 avg batter in 3 countries, even if you ignore Bangladesh since he played only 2 games in their den, He played over 15 games in England and 5 in sri lanka and was a clown in said conditons. Not to mention his 55 avg being inflated due to that 505 avg vs Zimb lol.

Then sanga is even worse, Sanga was a clown against any decent bowling. He massively inflated his stats via minnow bashing but he was rubbish against a semi decent indian bowling attack, was very lucky to face an avg aussie attack, was terrible in SA, Terrible in WI, and extremely avg in England.

Root on the other hand avg 55 since his resurgence in 2019, he is only bogged down by his pre 2019 record and record in Aus.

Unlike these 2, He avg 50+ in every country where dustbowls aren't a thing, and Aus. Even with dustbowls he still avg 45 and 47 vs Pakistan and India.

Measuring his performance vs Bangladesh based of 2 games makes as little sense as claiming Ponting avg 31 vs Zimbabwe lol where he played a grand total of 1 test match against them.

Aus is the only question mark to his career. Their is literally nothing to suggest that he is at the bottom of the atg list like Sanga is and is nothing more then downplay.

Atm he is better then Ponting record wise. You may consider peak pinting better due to better avg and better bowling but post 2006 ponting faced okayish bowling that root faces and was extremely poor. His final record is slightly worse then root atm.
 
sweep_shot said:
I hope Root will surpass Tendulkar just like I hope other non-Indian players will also break other Indian records. :inti

It can reduce the hubris of Indian fans.

#GreaterGood
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Root is now extremely close to surpassing Ponting as a test batter.

Ponting 51.85 avg, 40 centuries, 62 50's, avg of > 40 in every country he played 5 or more test games in except India where he avg 26, Conversion rate of 0.66.

Root 51.01 avg, 37(i think hell get 37 tmr) centuries, 66 50's, avg of > 40 on every country he played 5 or more test games in except Aus where he avg 35. Conversion rate 0.54.

Ponting has a better conversion rate but root has a better record avg per country. In fact he avg 50+ on non duat bowl pitches and 45 and 47 in Pakistan amd india which were dustbowls.

I think if Root has an amazing Ashes he is easily in sachin tier and > if he crosses his run tally.
 
I think Root has the current series, the Ashes and maybe the next English summer to get it done. He might hang it up after the Ashes. If not, by the end of the next home summer. Which will put him at around 36.

I do not have much hope for him during the Ashes. Which essentially means 3 test vs Ind and next summer is what he will have.
 
mominsaigol said:
Wdym by fade Away? I dont give a crap about popularity or hype. I respect you alot as a poster but if thats the metric you use to measure a player success then you need to seriously reconsider your approach.

A Players success in test cricket is always measured by the following metrics.

A) Overall Avg
B) Avg across countries where they have played 5+ games in
C) Batting position: Opening is obviously harder.
D) Conversion rate

Amount of runs, Popularity, No of centuries Is an extremely flawed metrics as that is no of matches dependant.

Ww2 era Players are excluded as they had their own era obviously except for Bradman who stands out due to being a massive massive Outlier.

Kallis was a 30 avg batter in 3 countries, even if you ignore Bangladesh since he played only 2 games in their den, He played over 15 games in England and 5 in sri lanka and was a clown in said conditons. Not to mention his 55 avg being inflated due to that 505 avg vs Zimb lol.

Then sanga is even worse, Sanga was a clown against any decent bowling. He massively inflated his stats via minnow bashing but he was rubbish against a semi decent indian bowling attack, was very lucky to face an avg aussie attack, was terrible in SA, Terrible in WI, and extremely avg in England.

Root on the other hand avg 55 since his resurgence in 2019, he is only bogged down by his pre 2019 record and record in Aus.

Unlike these 2, He avg 50+ in every country where dustbowls aren't a thing, and Aus. Even with dustbowls he still avg 45 and 47 vs Pakistan and India.

Measuring his performance vs Bangladesh based of 2 games makes as little sense as claiming Ponting avg 31 vs Zimbabwe lol where he played a grand total of 1 test match against them.

Aus is the only question mark to his career. Their is literally nothing to suggest that he is at the bottom of the atg list like Sanga is and is nothing more then downplay.

Atm he is better then Ponting record wise. You may consider peak pinting better due to better avg and better bowling but post 2006 ponting faced okayish bowling that root faces and was extremely poor. His final record is slightly worse then root atm.
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A player is popular across a long career for a number of reasons including stats. But batting charisma is something you don't seem to factor in. Root is widely respected. But how many times would you put aside your work to watch him. When history rates the greatest players, it does it not just based on stats. Try and toss your mind back to when Alastair Cook was ending his career. He wasn't as good as Root ofc, but there was a lot of talk back then too about his place among the greats. Nowadays, do you ever hear his name come up? There's a reason for that. History isn't sentimental, emotional or based on what's happening recently. It's called history, because it spans time. It might be written by the victor, which in today's world might be India. But that's not why Sachin and Root are not on the same level. Do you really think you'd find a significant number of even British sportswriters or ex-cricketers who'd put Root among the truly greats of alltime?
 
mominsaigol said:
Root is now extremely close to surpassing Ponting as a test batter.

Ponting 51.85 avg, 40 centuries, 62 50's, avg of > 40 in every country he played 5 or more test games in except India where he avg 26, Conversion rate of 0.66.

Root 51.01 avg, 37(i think hell get 37 tmr) centuries, 66 50's, avg of > 40 on every country he played 5 or more test games in except Aus where he avg 35. Conversion rate 0.54.

Ponting has a better conversion rate but root has a better record avg per country. In fact he avg 50+ on non duat bowl pitches and 45 and 47 in Pakistan amd india which were dustbowls.

I think if Root has an amazing Ashes he is easily in sachin tier and > if he crosses his run tally.
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I see.

Root is definitely very close to Ponting in terms of total runs. I think he is less than 200 runs away.
 
pillionrider said:
A player is popular across a long career for a number of reasons including stats. But batting charisma is something you don't seem to factor in. Root is widely respected. But how many times would you put aside your work to watch him. When history rates the greatest players, it does it not just based on stats. Try and toss your mind back to when Alastair Cook was ending his career. He wasn't as good as Root ofc, but there was a lot of talk back then too about his place among the greats. Nowadays, do you ever hear his name come up? There's a reason for that. History isn't sentimental, emotional or based on what's happening recently. It's called history, because it spans time. It might be written by the victor, which in today's world might be India. But that's not why Sachin and Root are not on the same level. Do you really think you'd find a significant number of even British sportswriters or ex-cricketers who'd put Root among the truly greats of alltime?
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No offence but all of this sounds like a coping mechanism.

Indians will have an advantage due to bollywood movies and hype. Medicore players like Azhar are remembered more then root due to his crappie bollywood movie.

Batting charisma is a made up metric and has zero relevance as to who is actually a better batsmen
 
mominsaigol said:
No offence but all of this sounds like a coping mechanism.

Indians will have an advantage due to bollywood movies and hype. Medicore players like Azhar are remembered more then root due to his crappie bollywood movie.

Batting charisma is a made up metric and has zero relevance as to who is actually a better batsmen
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Unfortunately, it seems that your entire argument to place Root, based on numbers, above or even in the same league as a Sachin, Viv or Lara has a fundamental flaw - it assumes it cannot be flawed because anyone who disagrees with it is either a bhakt of those other players or is an Indian who cannot digest Sachin being overtaken in test runs.
 
pillionrider said:
Unfortunately, it seems that your entire argument to place Root, based on numbers, above or even in the same league as a Sachin, Viv or Lara has a fundamental flaw - it assumes it cannot be flawed because anyone who disagrees with it is either a bhakt of those other players or is an Indian who cannot digest Sachin being overtaken in test runs.
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It's flawed because it assumes it cannot be flawed?

What kind of nonsense argument is that?

Having a better record =/= being a better player because you aren't popular enough 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.

^^ This is your argument. Read it and understand how moronic it is.
 
mominsaigol said:
It's flawed because it assumes it cannot be flawed?

What kind of nonsense argument is that?

Having a better record =/= being a better player because you aren't popular enough 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.

^^ This is your argument. Read it and understand how moronic it is.
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Root doesnt have a better record, come back when he has that.
 
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