Will Joe Root beat Sachin Tendulkar's record in Tests for most runs?

[mominsaigol]

What is the point of most runs scored?

What is his batting average in India? Less than 45

I repeat, the scoreline of 14-8 tells us that Root has mostly accumulated soft runs vs India and not been able to help his country from getting ashamed and embarrassed when playing vs India. Such has been the dominance that England have been forced to accept that in cricket, India are their real Abu and that too during a period when one of their so called greatest test player played the game.

If I am an Indian bowler, I am more than happy conceding runs to Root but in return help my country win more games than he would. They have all the reasons to feel proud that they have spanked England team alongwith their best player far more times in a head to head record.

Sachin India vs classic Australia uptill 2007

Match 1: Lost
Match 2: Lost
Match 3: Draw
Match 4: Lost
Match 5: Lost
Match 6: won
Match 7: won
Match 8: Won
Match 9: Lost
Match 10: Lost
Match 11: Lost
Match 12: Lost
Match 13: Lost
Match 14: Won
Match 15: won
Match 16: Draw
Match 17: won
Match 18: Lost
Match 19: Draw
Match 20: Lost
Match 21: Won
Match 22: Lost

Sachin 7, classic Australia 12, Draw 3.

So what point are you making? India didnt start dominating Aus in test until after 2008 when their legends started retiring?

So what point are you trying to make towards @Mamoon

 

[Mamoon]

Indians have to come up with excuses to downplay Root if he overtakes Tendulkar. The easiest one would be to say that he has scored vs weaker attacks, but they can’t play that card because he has dominated Indian bowling who apparently is one of the greatest attacks ever.

So the next excuse is to talk about the results of the India v England matches as if it will change Root’s run tally.

 

[mominsaigol]

Indians have to come up with excuses to downplay Root if he overtakes Tendulkar. The easiest one would be to say that he has scored vs weaker attacks, but they can’t play that card because he has dominated Indian bowling who apparently is one of the greatest attacks ever.

So the next excuse is to talk about the results of the India v England matches as if it will change Root’s run tally.

Root avg 50+ in every country excluding Aus, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Bangladesh, India and Pakistan curated dustbowls.

Despite this he avg 45 and 47 against Pakistan and India in their own dens.

Aus is the only question mark. This flat track nonsense is ridiculous and false.

It has never been backed up by any number, metric or performance.

 

[Ab Fan]

That is literally the only point that matters when it comes to Root overtaking Tendulkar as the leading run scorer in Test history.

But this is a precursor to how Indians fans will heal their wounds if he breaks the record. They will say that it doesn’t matter because Root lost to India more often than he beat India.

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Let Root first get close to Tendulkar’s runs tally as he is still a long way to go. There is no point living in a delusional and imaginary world and jumping the bandwagon this early. Let this happen and then we will be happy to acknowledge his greatness.

But let’s not forget about what has already happened and the fact is that Indian bowlers have tamed England more often than not in last 10 years and as a result of which, they are well ahead of England in head to head record, which reads as India leading 14-8. This is humiliating for their main player Root and as a result, the reality is that in cricket, Indian bowlers are actually the real Abu of England cricket team.

Nevertheless, it is lovely to see you and your fellow Pakistani fans trying hard to make a strong case for Joe Root from last few years even though you guys keep on changing your father figure every now and then in a hope that someone will come and break Sachin’s record of most runs atleast in one format because it is pretty much impossible for anyone to do it in ODI cricket.

 

[mominsaigol]

Sachin India vs classic Australia uptill 2007

Match 1: Lost
Match 2: Lost
Match 3: Draw
Match 4: Lost
Match 5: Lost
Match 6: won
Match 7: won
Match 8: Won
Match 9: Lost
Match 10: Lost
Match 11: Lost
Match 12: Lost
Match 13: Lost
Match 14: Won
Match 15: won
Match 16: Draw
Match 17: won
Match 18: Lost
Match 19: Draw
Match 20: Lost
Match 21: Won
Match 22: Lost

Sachin 7, classic Australia 12, Draw 3.

So what point are you making? India didnt start dominating Aus in test until after 2008 when their legends started retiring?

So what point are you trying to make towards @Mamoon

@Ab Fan You didn't respond, why?

 

[Technics 1210]

Sachinistas delaying the inevitable.

These are the same insecure numpties who said let Root get within 6000, 5000, 4000, 3000 runs of Tendulkar's record. Well now its 2000, I am sure it will be 1000, and then 100, 10, and 1 - and boom - Tendulkar is no more.

We know which side the bread is buttered for a Sachinista. Now the bread is crumbling.

What's the story morning glory?

 

[mominsaigol]

@Bhaijaan @jeeteshssaxena @Romali_rotti @Sachin fan

This series has been an eye opener for many.

Jamie Smith avg 103
Jaiswal avg 38
Root avg 50
Gill avg 101
Pant avg 70
Harry Brooks avg 52

It has exposed who is worth supporting and who isnt.

As I said from the beginning, I was wrong about Pant bit right about Jaiswal. Jaiswal is nothing special. A decent opener but thats about it.

Their is no point of always bringing in racism such as jaiswal is > Pakistan etc etc. Obviously he is, we all know that, never stated otherwise.

The top teams of this era are Sena and India. All discussions should be focused on them with other players being excluded from discussions for obvious reasons.

When it comes to the next era, Harry Brooks, Pant, Jamie Smith, Rachin Ravindra are very bright prospects.

Gill is another bright prospect but for Odi and t20. He will be a FTB in test though.

Jaiswal will essentially be another Ghambir, Dhoni, Laxman or Dhawan. He will have some great moments which indians will over glorify and use that to wank him beyond belief but thats about it. Aka just a good player, nothing more and nothing less.

He doesn't deserve to be mentioned as some future Dravid or Kohli etc etc.

 

[sweep_shot]

Joe Root is only 2663 runs away from surpassing Tendulkar. He is only 34 years old.

I expect him to cross it if he plays for 5 more years.

 

[Technics 1210]

Joe Root is only 2663 runs away from surpassing Tendulkar. He is only 34 years old.

I expect him to cross it if he plays for 5 more years.

50% the PCB will gift for the greater good of the game. PCB could easily gift it within a 12 month cycle of 25/26 - Home and Away!

 

[Romali_rotti]

@Bhaijaan @jeeteshssaxena @Romali_rotti @Sachin fan

This series has been an eye opener for many.

Jamie Smith avg 103
Jaiswal avg 38
Root avg 50
Gill avg 101
Pant avg 70
Harry Brooks avg 52

It has exposed who is worth supporting and who isnt.

As I said from the beginning, I was wrong about Pant bit right about Jaiswal. Jaiswal is nothing special. A decent opener but thats about it.

Their is no point of always bringing in racism such as jaiswal is > Pakistan etc etc. Obviously he is, we all know that, never stated otherwise.

The top teams of this era are Sena and India. All discussions should be focused on them with other players being excluded from discussions for obvious reasons.

When it comes to the next era, Harry Brooks, Pant, Jamie Smith, Rachin Ravindra are very bright prospects.

Gill is another bright prospect but for Odi and t20. He will be a FTB in test though.

Jaiswal will essentially be another Ghambir, Dhoni, Laxman or Dhawan. He will have some great moments which indians will over glorify and use that to wank him beyond belief but thats about it. Aka just a good player, nothing more and nothing less.

He doesn't deserve to be mentioned as some future Dravid or Kohli etc etc.

Root has an opportunity in the coming Aus tour to show he is a champion bat, till then I don't really rate him.

Same for Jamie Smith and Brooks.

Jaiswal is a hit and miss at this point, his technique is suspect, he would struggle to put bat on ball on the South African wickets which seams and bounces unlike the Aussie wickets which just has bounce.

 

[mominsaigol]

Root has an opportunity in the coming Aus tour to show he is a champion bat, till then I don't really rate him.

Same for Jamie Smith and Brooks.

Jaiswal is a hit and miss at this point, his technique is suspect, he would struggle to put bat on ball on the South African wickets which seams and bounces unlike the Aussie wickets which just has bounce.

Succeeding in Aus is difficult. They have 3 atg bowlers + Boland eho would have been an atg had they actually bothered to give him a chance on a spicy home den wicket.

 

[mominsaigol]

Root has an opportunity in the coming Aus tour to show he is a champion bat, till then I don't really rate him.

Same for Jamie Smith and Brooks.

Jaiswal is a hit and miss at this point, his technique is suspect, he would struggle to put bat on ball on the South African wickets which seams and bounces unlike the Aussie wickets which just has bounce.

Root has an opportunity in the coming Aus tour to show he is a champion bat, till then I don't really rate him.

Ponting avg 40+ in every country except India where he avg 26. Ig you dont rate him either

Jamie Smith and Brooks will be legends when they retire. Brooks is a much better test batter in sena then KP. However idk how he'll perform in asia but shouldn't be hard. Pakistan will eventually stop curating dustbowls once teams prepare spinners and put spin them.

Sri lanka is pie easy to score on, Bangladesh will eventually give up as well. Only india will be an issue but a post jadeja and ashwin world aint looking so bright and it seems I dia will rely on a pace factory from now on.

Kp however will remain ahead of Brooks in odi and t20.

Jamie Smith is extremely good. Qdk and Smith aren't far from gilly.

People view Gilly with a nostalgia lens. Gilly got the backing of an ATG team. Your performance improves the stronger the team. Gilly isn't ahead of QDK in odi by any means other then the fact that he has aussie mentality and scored in crucial knockout stages while QDK never did due to having a SA choke mentality.

Ability wise they are =

 

[James]

The thing is, England fans don’t really mind if Joe beats the record or not. He is already a legend in the eyes of English cricket and he has given us everything. Even if Joe suddenly retired tomorrow, nobody would mention an unbroken record and in the bank he would hold lifetime credit.

There’s only one set of fans who care about whether this record is ever beaten.

 

[James]

Let Root first get close to Tendulkar’s runs tally as he is still a long way to go. There is no point living in a delusional and imaginary world and jumping the bandwagon this early. Let this happen and then we will be happy to acknowledge his greatness.

Lol, will you heck.

Never mind 16 thousand runs or whatever it is. (I’m sure you know the precise number without even having to look it up.)

Joe could score 160 thousand runs, and to the usual suspects there’d still be an excuse as to why it didn’t count, they were supposedly soft runs or he otherwise isn’t rated.

 

[Kohlhaas]

The thing is, England fans don’t really mind if Joe beats the record or not. He is already a legend in the eyes of English cricket and he has given us everything. Even if Joe suddenly retired tomorrow, nobody would mention an unbroken record and in the bank he would hold lifetime credit.

There’s only one set of fans who care about whether this record is ever beaten.

What people like Joe Root bring to the game, and to life in general, is far more than merely some rather tedious numbers. He just makes the world a better place (as do many others, of course).

 

[Romali_rotti]

Root has an opportunity in the coming Aus tour to show he is a champion bat, till then I don't really rate him.

Ponting avg 40+ in every country except India where he avg 26. Ig you dont rate him either

Valid Point, but Ponting's main rival was Eng not India, like Root's main rival is Aus..

Jamie Smith and Brooks will be legends when they retire.

Should, Will, May, still a long way to go, let the careers finish before the legend status is given.

Jamie Smith is extremely good. Qdk and Smith aren't far from gilly.

De kock's career is over, he is not upto Gilly in tests, whilst Jamie Smith, we had these conversations plenty of times, has just got his feet wet in the test arena, fanboysums nothing more, when saying he is the next Gilly or is not far from Gilly, Let Smith tour SA, India, Australia before we start the Gilly comparisons... Gilly is in a class of his own in tests, only bat so far close to him is Pant, similar excitement at the crease, similar shots, both left handed wick-keeper bats, similar aggression...

People view Gilly with a nostalgia lens. Gilly got the backing of an ATG team.

Valid point, AG played in a hall of fame side, things were a lot easier for him compared to his opponents, but he is still the greatest wickie test bat for changing the game forever...

 

[RKhan_Cricket]

Highly doubt it. England plays way too many tests. Root is surpassing Sachin in runs 100%

This is England buddy not these Asian batsmen.
He can surprise you by retiring after ashes.
I mean it's not 100% possible but you never know with these gorre cricketers.

 

[mominsaigol]

Valid Point, but Ponting's main rival was Eng not India, like Root's main rival is Aus..


Should, Will, May, still a long way to go, let the careers finish before the legend status is given.


De kock's career is over, he is not upto Gilly in tests, whilst Jamie Smith, we had these conversations plenty of times, has just got his feet wet in the test arena, fanboysums nothing more, when saying he is the next Gilly or is not far from Gilly, Let Smith tour SA, India, Australia before we start the Gilly comparisons... Gilly is in a class of his own in tests, only bat so far close to him is Pant, similar excitement at the crease, similar shots, both left handed wick-keeper bats, similar aggression...


Valid point, AG played in a hall of fame side, things were a lot easier for him compared to his opponents, but he is still the greatest wickie test bat for changing the game forever...

1) First argument is invalid. It is a semantical argument and doesnt define a players career. If Root crosses 51 avg he is > Ponting, plain and simple as he will have a better country record with a similar avg then ponting.

2) I am not giving anyone a legend status. But I do know Jamie Smith is the best keeper bat in the world in test and yes he is > Pant who i view as no 2.

 

[mominsaigol]

This is England buddy not these Asian batsmen.
He can surprise you by retiring after ashes.
I mean it's not 100% possible but you never know with these gorre cricketers.

Only indians want him to retire lol

 

[Mamoon]

Valid Point, but Ponting's main rival was Eng not India, like Root's main rival is Aus..

Root is nearly as big a failure in Australia as Tendulkar was in Pakistan.

The “god” of batting was reduced to a 40 averaging batsman with just 1 century in 10 matches on pitches that were nearly identical to his home pitches, unlike Australian pitches that are very different to England’s.

If being a bang average batsman in Pakistan and vs Pakistan overall doesn’t hurt Tendulkar’s reputation as a Test batsman, not doing well in Australia shouldn’t hurt Root’s reputation either.

In Test cricket, Australia is to Root what Pakistan was to Tendulkar - an underwhelming record vs the main rivals.

It is just the double-standards of Indians that they focus on one and not the other.

 

[mominsaigol]

Root is nearly as big a failure in Australia as Tendulkar was in Pakistan.

The “god” of batting was reduced to a 40 averaging batsman with just 1 century in 10 matches on pitches that were nearly identical to his home pitches, unlike Australian pitches that are very different to England’s.

If being a bang average batsman in Pakistan and vs Pakistan overall doesn’t hurt Tendulkar’s reputation as a Test batsman, not doing well in Australia shouldn’t hurt Root’s reputation either.

In Test cricket, Australia is to Root what Pakistan was to Tendulkar - an underwhelming record vs the main rivals.

It is just the double-standards of Indians that they focus on one and not the other.

Root can easily score 508 runs in aus ashes and fix that record tbf

 

[Mamoon]

Root can easily score 508 runs in aus ashes and fix that record tbf

Indians will downplay it because “he couldn’t do it when Starc, Hazlewood, Lyon etc. were in their peak and now he is taking advantage of an aging bowling attack”

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This is England buddy not these Asian batsmen.
He can surprise you by retiring after ashes.
I mean it's not 100% possible but you never know with these gorre cricketers.

Only Anderson has been the exception.

Most of them retire when they have a few more years still in them.

Root has a big responsibility on his shoulders. Chasing and breaking this record is like the responsibility Frodo was given in Lord of the Rings. I hope he doesn't wear down under the burden. There are certain records that do not belong in the hands of the record holder. The most runs in test cricket is one of the them. It just doesn't belong in the hands of

 

[mominsaigol]

Indians will downplay it because “he couldn’t do it when Starc, Hazlewood, Lyon etc. were in their peak and now he is taking advantage of an aging bowling attack”

Again that doesnt mean much, Indians will say anything.

They added a new filter for root vs India yet ignored that Sachin was an even bigger clown vs classic Australia.

Until 2007, India only won 7 times with most of those wins coming in 1990's era. Aus has smashed them a grand total of 12x in said era and unlike Root, Tenda didnt own Aus, He averages 36 vs Aus whenever mcgrath played.

The goal posts will endlessly be shifted.

Even when Root reached an avg of 53, Gets a 40 avg in every country they will argue that tends faced superior bowlers despite being a clown against most of them.

If not they will likely use that dustbowl Bangladesh argument or honestly anything to put Tenda >.

The arguments and changing goal posts are endless, they claim root is a FTB despite avg 50+ in every country which doesnt include dustbowls or unorthodox pitches like PK, India, Bangladesh and Australia

 

[mominsaigol]

Only Anderson has been the exception.

Most of them retire when they have a few more years still in them.

Root has a big responsibility on his shoulders. Chasing and breaking this record is like the responsibility Frodo was given in Lord of the Rings. I hope he doesn't wear down under the burden. There are certain records that do not belong in the hands of the record holder. The most runs in test cricket is one of the them. It just doesn't belong in the hands of

Root has Zero reasons to retire. He is fit, energetic and is in the prime of his life.

Zero chance he retires after ashes. Talks will only arise in 2027 post wtc.

 

[mominsaigol]

Anyway, Root will surpass Ponting and become the 2nd highest run scorer this series.

I really want him to score 508 runs in ashes. Even though I want Australia to win, Root getting 508 runs gets his avg vs aus upto 40 and shits down this Indian propaganda for good.

508 runs would also put him at, or close to 14K runs and really put the pressure on Indians.

 

[Kohlhaas]

Only Anderson has been the exception.

Most of them retire when they have a few more years still in them.

Root has a big responsibility on his shoulders. Chasing and breaking this record is like the responsibility Frodo was given in Lord of the Rings. I hope he doesn't wear down under the burden. There are certain records that do not belong in the hands of the record holder. The most runs in test cricket is one of the them. It just doesn't belong in the hands of

I strongly suspect he cares a lot less about it than certain fans apparently do.

 

[mominsaigol]

I strongly suspect he cares a lot less about it than certain fans apparently do.

He does, he clearly had issues with kohli surpassing his century count and did create the 2 new ball campaign run claiming that he would have smacked 100 centuries in ofi had he played in the 2 new ball era.

He obviously has issues with root.

Tenda is human, he played to create unbeatable records. If someone breaks his record then he will obviously have some issues.

Yes he isnt a bollywood drama queen but any human being would care a little bit. Ik for a fact that I would be pissed that someone surpassed my odi century tally before I passed away and now someone will surpass my runs tally in test.

Tbh root is about to break his most 50's tally as well. Sachin is at 68 with root on 66

 

[Romali_rotti]

Root is nearly as big a failure in Australia as Tendulkar was in Pakistan.

The “god” of batting was reduced to a 40 averaging batsman with just 1 century in 10 matches on pitches that were nearly identical to his home pitches, unlike Australian pitches that are very different to England’s.

If being a bang average batsman in Pakistan and vs Pakistan overall doesn’t hurt Tendulkar’s reputation as a Test batsman, not doing well in Australia shouldn’t hurt Root’s reputation either.

In Test cricket, Australia is to Root what Pakistan was to Tendulkar - an underwhelming record vs the main rivals.

It is just the double-standards of Indians that they focus on one and not the other.

Tendulkar never toured Pak in his prime for tests by the time he toured Pakistan after his debut tour, he was 31 post tennis elbow in 2004... Don't get me wrong SRT still had good cricket in him but Joe Root has been consistently touring Australia through his prime and not hampered by any injuries.

Root can still make it somewhat respectable by scoring 2 or 3 x100s a few 50s in the coming Ashes and getting around 400-450 runs. Do you think he will ?

P.S. why you saying God of cricket to me, I never claimed SRT was god , it is as dumb as your Imran Khan claiming a trash batsmen like Inzimam is the greatest batsmen of pace..

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I strongly suspect he cares a lot less about it than certain fans apparently do.

I wouldn't be so sure. He turned international cricket into a circus to try and score a century to clinch a made up cross format record so he will likely want to hold onto a legitimate record.

 

[mominsaigol]

Tendulkar never toured Pak in his prime for tests by the time he toured Pakistan after his debut tour, he was 31 post tennis elbow in 2004... Don't get me wrong SRT still had good cricket in him but Joe Root has been consistently touring Australia through his prime and not hampered by any injuries.

Root can still make it somewhat respectable by scoring 2 or 3 x100s a few 50s in the coming Ashes and getting around 400-450 runs. Do you think he will ?

P.S. why you saying God of cricket to me, I never claimed SRT was god , it is as dumb as your Imran Khan claiming a trash batsmen like Inzimam is the greatest batsmen of pace..

Sachin doesn't deserve god status.

He is the best player in odi and test of his era but only due to longetivity and consistency. If he was > then he wouldn't constantly be outscored and put averaged 22 out of 24 times in his career despite playing many matches.

He wouldn't be averaging 20-30's against the goat bowlers of his era and debates like 1990 Bevan vs Sachin or 2006 ponting vs Sachin wouldnt be a thing.

Bradman, Garfield Sobers, Steve Smith in test cricket followed by Virat kohli and Viv Richards in odi, these folkes are the heads of their respective era.

You may exclude Steve Smith however due to his lapse in form. He only had an 8 year monster peak. I don't mind smith being excluded from the list.

Root and Sachin are off the same mould. If root fixes his Avg against aus he is = to Sachin and will be viewed in the same regard excluding Indians who will desperately try to market funny tiktok memes and act desperate on social media.

 

[Ab Fan]

Lol, will you heck.

Never mind 16 thousand runs or whatever it is. (I’m sure you know the precise number without even having to look it up.)

Joe could score 160 thousand runs, and to the usual suspects there’d still be an excuse as to why it didn’t count, they were supposedly soft runs or he otherwise isn’t rated.

It doesn’t matter what you say. Reality is that deep down you are bitter that despite playing so many test matches, England still can’t produce a batsman who can break the longevity record of SRT even in one format.

Forget about dreaming of matching the legacy of the great man, that is beyond reach of England cricketers but even matching it statistically( in terms of production of runs) is beneath the capability of any of your batsman despite arranging like 15 tests per year.

Honestly, up till now, I admired Joe Root for his consistency and his ability to perform in all conditions but perhaps we may have to accept that if a non England player like Steve Smith breaks his record, it would have been more justice to the game.

 

[Mamoon]

Tendulkar is the batting version of Anderson. A marathon runner not a sprinter.

I challenge the notion that he was the best batsman of his era. He hasn’t been the best batsman in the world in any format apart from a brief period from 1996-1999.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Joe Root is only 34? Imagine if he pulls a Misbah and plays till 40, 20000 Test runs might not be out of reach. I think he will most probably retire after 36.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Tendulkar is the batting version of Anderson. A marathon runner not a sprinter.

I challenge the notion that he was the best batsman of his era. He hasn’t been the best batsman in the world in any format apart from a brief period from 1996-1999.

There is a slight difference in that opposition teams really feared facing up to Anderson. I have watched cricket for majority of Sachins career and don't think he was seen as someone to fear by any of the opposition. Certainly as a Pakistani fan I didn't give two hoots about him despite the claims from the Indians. Whereas for teams facing Anderson, particularly in England, strategizing for how to through his spell was something the opposition was required to do.

Contrast Sachin to batsmen like Pointing, Lara, Smith heck even Kohli despite his poor showing in test cricket in recent times. You see those guys marching to the crease and the hairs on the back of the neck of opposition starts to stand up. Sachin did not have the same effect on the opposition and on most fans apart from his 1 billion worshippers.

So to cut it short, he is perhaps the batting version of Anderson on stats and longevity but not for impact.

 

[Mamoon]

There is a slight difference in that opposition teams really feared facing up to Anderson. I have watched cricket for majority of Sachins career and don't think he was seen as someone to fear by any of the opposition. Certainly as a Pakistani fan I didn't give two hoots about him despite the claims from the Indians. Whereas for teams facing Anderson, particularly in England, strategizing for how to through his spell was something the opposition was required to do.

Contrast Sachin to batsmen like Pointing, Lara, Smith heck even Kohli despite his poor showing in test cricket in recent times. You see those guys marching to the crease and the hairs on the back of the neck of opposition starts to stand up. Sachin did not have the same effect on the opposition and on most fans apart from his 1 billion worshippers.

So to cut it short, he is perhaps the batting version of Anderson on stats and longevity but not for impact.

Good points.

For example, when Pakistan played India every year from 2004-2007, Tendulkar was not someone that we feared. Us Pakistani fans were petrified of the sight of Sehwag and Dravid.

 

[Romali_rotti]

It doesn’t matter what you say. Reality is that deep down you are bitter that despite playing so many test matches, England still can’t produce a batsman who can break the longevity record of SRT even in one format.

Forget about dreaming of matching the legacy of the great man, that is beyond reach of England cricketers but even matching it statistically( in terms of production of runs) is beneath the capability of any of your batsman despite arranging like 15 tests per year.

Honestly, up till now, I admired Joe Root for his consistency and his ability to perform in all conditions but perhaps we may have to accept that if a non England player like Steve Smith breaks his record, it would have been more justice to the game.

To be fair @James is a level headed fan of the game, I don't think he is the bitter type. Would he be happy if Root got the record, naturally he would be as anyone in his shoes as it is his own countrymen, but if Root doesn't get the record I don't think it will be a heart break for him..

 

[Romali_rotti]

Sachin doesn't deserve god status.

He is the best player in odi and test of his era but only due to longetivity and consistency. If he was > then he wouldn't constantly be outscored and put averaged 22 out of 24 times in his career despite playing many matches.

He wouldn't be averaging 20-30's against the goat bowlers of his era and debates like 1990 Bevan vs Sachin or 2006 ponting vs Sachin wouldnt be a thing.

Bradman, Garfield Sobers, Steve Smith in test cricket followed by Virat kohli and Viv Richards in odi, these folkes are the heads of their respective era.

You may exclude Steve Smith however due to his lapse in form. He only had an 8 year monster peak. I don't mind smith being excluded from the list.

Root and Sachin are off the same mould. If root fixes his Avg against aus he is = to Sachin and will be viewed in the same regard excluding Indians who will desperately try to market funny tiktok memes and act desperate on social media.

A very confusing post kid, I don't really get what you are saying here.

Longevity and consistency of SRT itself is goat, as no other bats in the world have achieved it....

The Tennis Elbow period from 2004 when Mcgrath along with many other even avg bowlers getting the wood on him for about a year and half dented his legacy a bit, wasn't for that he was the best his era...

I don't rate Ponting alongside SRt he played in a hall of fame side where all his opponents were no match to what he got to face in the nets and sharpen his game.

Root can be considered similar to his ERA of SRT, while Root had some advantages like easier wickets, lesser bowlers etc, I don't think Root has faced a bowler of the calibur of Dake Steyn at his peak which SRT has, Steyn at his peak was/is South Africa's greatest fast bowler ever...

 

[Katwalindian]

Root is nearly as big a failure in Australia as Tendulkar was in Pakistan.

The “god” of batting was reduced to a 40 averaging batsman with just 1 century in 10 matches on pitches that were nearly identical to his home pitches, unlike Australian pitches that are very different to England’s.

If being a bang average batsman in Pakistan and vs Pakistan overall doesn’t hurt Tendulkar’s reputation as a Test batsman, not doing well in Australia shouldn’t hurt Root’s reputation either.

In Test cricket, Australia is to Root what Pakistan was to Tendulkar - an underwhelming record vs the main rivals.

It is just the double-standards of Indians that they focus on one and not the other.

Tendulkar is God of cricket brother....he is in world eleven of every former cricketer..his straight drive was thing of beauty...root cant tie his shoelaces...

 

[Katwalindian]

Tendulkar is the batting version of Anderson. A marathon runner not a sprinter.

I challenge the notion that he was the best batsman of his era. He hasn’t been the best batsman in the world in any format apart from a brief period from 1996-1999.

Tendulkar in 2003 world cup silences you all...

 

[Technics 1210]

Tendulkar is only perceived a god in India because he helped the majority learn how to count all the way up to a 100.

The guy was literally the Sesame Street of batting.

No one feared Tendulkar, why would they? Most of his 100s have either come in loses or draws.

Nothing special about him, other than his career is literally explained by a normal distribution bell curve.

 

[mominsaigol]

Tendulkar in 2003 world cup silences you all...

You mean the cup where he got out on a duck in the final.

 

[Ab Fan]

To be fair @James is a level headed fan of the game, I don't think he is the bitter type. Would he be happy if Root got the record, naturally he would be as anyone in his shoes as it is his own countrymen, but if Root doesn't get the record I don't think it will be a heart break for him..

Yeah but claiming that as Indian fans, we are hell bent on downplaying Root’s achievements even though I have been appreciative of him for all these years is false as well.

It won’t be a heart break for any Indian fan either. Tendulkar is history and records are meant to be broken. Only Pakistanis will celebrate but the legacy for Tendulkar remains intact.

 

[mominsaigol]

A very confusing post kid, I don't really get what you are saying here.

Longevity and consistency of SRT itself is goat, as no other bats in the world have achieved it....

The Tennis Elbow period from 2004 when Mcgrath along with many other even avg bowlers getting the wood on him for about a year and half dented his legacy a bit, wasn't for that he was the best his era...

I don't rate Ponting alongside SRt he played in a hall of fame side where all his opponents were no match to what he got to face in the nets and sharpen his game.

Root can be considered similar to his ERA of SRT, while Root had some advantages like easier wickets, lesser bowlers etc, I don't think Root has faced a bowler of the calibur of Dake Steyn at his peak which SRT has, Steyn at his peak was/is South Africa's greatest fast bowler ever...

Dravid, Sehwag, Laxman, Ganguly are all >>>>> current overrated india team.

Only a nutcase( not saying you are btw, just saying in general) can claim jaiswal, KL Rahul, Gill, Karun Nair, etc etc are a better batting combo.

India only has Pant who is a better keeper bat then the past era.

Its still a goated team to play for. When sachin got a crap team he was equally crap. He's captaincy stint was a joke anoung jokes and vs classic Aus

Sachin india won 7x, Lost 12x and this isnt even counting 2008 which is post classic Australia where india still lost a further 5x.

As for tennis elbow, it is the biggest pr hype excuse of all time. No one was stopping tenda from retiring or refusing to play. Its all PR non sense which even aussie media pointed out at the time to cover up his garbo series vs Mcgrath.

 

[BouncerGuy]

THREAD IS ABOUT ROOT VS SACHIN, NOT ABOUT AFRIDI OR ANY OTHER STUFF.

PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC

 

[Romali_rotti]

As for tennis elbow, it is the biggest pr hype excuse of all time. No one was stopping tenda from retiring or refusing to play. Its all PR non sense which even aussie media pointed out at the time to cover up his garbo series vs Mcgrath.

He is a human not a machine, injury is common . Initially he wasn't supposed to play the 2004 series but India being 1-0 down and looking hopeless he was rushed back in the 3rd test match...

It is no coincidence after that injury he barely scored any runs for a year and half, not just against Mcgrath and Warne but against almost anyone he faced, there were calls to have him dropped but credit to him he came back among the runs once his elbow was healthy and produced some great innings.

You being hurt won't change the fact that out of the 3 series he played against Mcgrath and Warne, SRTs series batting avg read 46 in Aus, 50 in India and 17 in India (Tennis elbow). With Mcgrath getting him out a whopping 4 times prior to tennis elbow series, out of which 2 dismissals were not out given by the patriots of Australia like Daryl Hair ...

 

[mominsaigol]

He is a human not a machine, injury is common . Initially he wasn't supposed to play the 2004 series but India being 1-0 down and looking hopeless he was rushed back in the 3rd test match...

It is no coincidence after that injury he barely scored any runs for a year and half, not just against Mcgrath and Warne but against almost anyone he faced, there were calls to have him dropped but credit to him he came back among the runs once his elbow was healthy and produced some great innings.

You being hurt won't change the fact that out of the 3 series he played against Mcgrath and Warne, SRTs series batting avg read 46 in Aus, 50 in India and 17 in India (Tennis elbow). With Mcgrath getting him out a whopping 4 times prior to tennis elbow series, out of which 2 dismissals were not out given by the patriots of Australia like Daryl Hair ...

 

[Romali_rotti]

View attachment 156282

First series against Mcgrath & Warne in Aus = 46 avg

Second series against Mcgrath & Warne in India = 50 avg

Third and final series against Mcgrath and Warne in India = 17 avg.

 

[mominsaigol]

First series against Mcgrath & Warne in Aus = 46 avg

Second series against Mcgrath & Warne in India = 50 avg

Third and final series against Mcgrath and Warne in India = 17 avg.

He didnt avg 46 and 50 against them directly in head to head encounter

 

[Romali_rotti]

He didnt avg 46 and 50 against them directly in head to head encounter

You getting too influenced by the Rishabh Pants and bats of similar calibur.

Test cricket was different beast back when SRT locked horns with Mcgrath & Warne, it was not about scoring the most runs off a bowler, it was about strategy and survival, especially considering these bowlers are all time greats, with umpires on their side and also when rest of Indian side fails to show up on a lot of occasions...

Just stick to modern day cricket....

 

[mominsaigol]

You getting too influenced by the Rishabh Pants and bats of similar calibur.

Test cricket was different beast back when SRT locked horns with Mcgrath & Warne, it was not about scoring the most runs off a bowler, it was about strategy and survival, especially considering these bowlers are all time greats, with umpires on their side and also when rest of Indian side fails to show up on a lot of occasions...

Just stick to modern day cricket....

Test cricket hasn't changed. If anything it's gotten harder to bat in this era then the past.

England adopted bazzball but how many times have they gotten exposed for it? India isnt the first team to expose england with them going back to traditional batting of scoring 250 on day 1.

In this era home sides curate pitches to their liking to give them an advantage something which wasnt common in that era.

The pitches were Ambrose bowled to sachin were so dead, that 500+ scores were made freqently with 4 out of 5 tests played at that venue resulting in a draw. Nowadays unless it rains, it typically doesnt draw.

Infact I havent seen a non infected rain game going for a draw. The last time was aus vs Pakistan at home in ramiz Raja pitches if I recall.

All the top scores of the past such as 385, 400 etc etc were scored in the past era. Now a 300 is extremely rare.

Brooks scored vs Pakistan on a dead as mollases pitch where 500 and 800 were scored, followed by Mulder scoring against Zimbabwe which is a dead China level bowling team.

Dude you're a poster from 2005. You should know this.

 

[mominsaigol]

By 2027 Root will break the record. In this current series, Dravid, Kallis and Ponting are being surpassed

 

[Mamoon]

Tendulkar in 2003 world cup silences you all...

The only people he silenced was Indian fans when he skied a pull shot of McGrath in the final in the first over.

What a shameful surrender in the biggest match of his career to date at the peak of his powers.

He folded like an absolutely coward. What stopped him from playing a Ponting-like knock in excellent batting conditions?

He should have scored a 100 that day and taken India to a respectable total in response to Australia’s 359, but he wasn’t good enough to do so.

 

[mominsaigol]

By 2027 Root will break the record. In this current series, Dravid, Kallis and Ponting are being surpassed

@Human786 Why are you laughing? You seriously think Root wont score 120 more runs in the 4 innings he has left to cross those 2?

You can forget about root retiring after ashes. He will play till wtc atleast. After that retirement will be up for debate. Their is nothing you can do to stop root reaching 14K runs this year and 15K by 2026.

 

[mominsaigol]

Root is at 13259.

Shpuld target 13500 once this india series concludes

 

[mominsaigol]

This ashes root will raise his avg to 40 vs Aus.

Then indians will have no excuse except changing thr goal post such as 6 centuries this and that

 

[Romali_rotti]

Test cricket hasn't changed. If anything it's gotten harder to bat in this era then the past.

England adopted bazzball but how many times have they gotten exposed for it? India isnt the first team to expose england with them going back to traditional batting of scoring 250 on day 1.

In this era home sides curate pitches to their liking to give them an advantage something which wasnt common in that era.

The pitches were Ambrose bowled to sachin were so dead, that 500+ scores were made freqently with 4 out of 5 tests played at that venue resulting in a draw. Nowadays unless it rains, it typically doesnt draw.

Infact I havent seen a non infected rain game going for a draw. The last time was aus vs Pakistan at home in ramiz Raja pitches if I recall.

Yes yes the wickets Ambrose bowled to SRT was all flat, it was so flat like the flat Phatta which Joe Root got in Pakistan where he nearly hit a 300 and Brooks hit a 300 and won the match for Eng, 454 run partnership. .

I am seeing where you are coming from, you keep going back to the Ambrose vs SRT, just to discredit SRT by saying the wickets were flat. Your problem>>> Too much Pakistani genes, mention the name Tendulkar and you get your knickers in a knot, can't help you there, see a psychiatrist I have seen this with Pakistanis quite a lot..

Those wickets were far from flat, there was awkward bounce and seam movement, highest innings score of the series was 436, with most of the innings at 250-350 runs.

Let it go, SRT is the second best bat after Bradman, cry all you want, whinge all you want, we can keep this going all day.....

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes yes the wickets Ambrose bowled to SRT was all flat, it was so flat like the flat Phatta which Joe Root got in Pakistan where he nearly hit a 300 and Brooks hit a 300 and won the match for Eng, 454 run partnership. .

I am seeing where you are coming from kid, you keep going back to the Ambrose vs SRT, just to discredit SRT by saying the wickets were flat. Your problem>>> Too much Pakistani genes, mention the name Tendulkar and you get your knickers in a knot, can't help you there, see a psychiatrist I have seen this with Pakistanis quite a lot..

Those wickets were far from flat, there was awkward bounce and seam movement, highest innings score of the series was 436, with most of the innings at 250-350 runs.

Let it go kid, SRT is the second best bat after Bradman, cry all you want, whinge all you want, we can keep this going all day.....


Lastly your quote on its harder to bat now compared to previous era >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This mirrors the center of gravity comment by your Pakistani

Is built into your blood. But assuming you are actually a poster from 2005 and your kid didnt hijack your account I'll keep such and such nonsense and personal attacks out of it.

I only attack posters who ik are lying about their age. Majority of the people here are 18-25, pretending to be 40+ year old married men lol

Anyway coming back to topic, I dont go by what ifs or hypotheticals like you do, I go by past trends.

Past trends showcase that 4 put of 5 matches were drawn with 500 being crosses by both sides on 3 seprate occasions. 2 of those games didnt even reach the 2nd innings for one team(the team that batted 2nd)

^^ That alone is enough evidence in the same way we know that Pakistan vs England was a phatta given that one side reached 550 and the other reached 802.

Stick to the topic at hand rather then getting personal, which is what all indians try to do, and they typically start with the racism card.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I can say the same thing that you have indian genes and the following

A) Racism
B) Crying to the point of burning down stadiums
C) Running away (Wc 2023 when an entire crowd left before the game concluded)
D) Modi + hypocrisy

Is built into your blood. But assuming you are actually a poster from 2005 and your kid didnt hijack your account I'll keep such and such nonsense and personal attacks out of it.

I only attack posters who ik are lying about their age. Majority of the people here are 18-25, pretending to be 40+ year old married men lol

Anyway coming back to topic, I dont go by what ifs or hypotheticals like you do, I go by past trends.

Past trends showcase that 4 put of 5 matches were drawn with 500 being crosses by both sides on 3 seprate occasions. 2 of those games didnt even reach the 2nd innings for one team(the team that batted 2nd)

^^ That alone is enough evidence in the same way we know that Pakistan vs England was a phatta given that one side reached 550 and the other reached 802.

Stick to the topic at hand rather then getting personal, which is what all indians try to do, and they typically start with the racism card.

So in other words SRT did well against Ambrose on challenging wickets in the WI

and

The wickets are now easier to bat.

 

[mominsaigol]

So in other words SRT did well against Ambrose on challenging wickets in the WI

and

The wickets are now easier to bat.

All past data points otherwise but sure. Mr i can do this all day until my wife calls for dishes and I expire as an old man in the nect 20 years is clearly correct lol.

 

[Romali_rotti]

All past data points otherwise but sure. Mr i can do this all day until my wife calls for dishes and I expire as an old man in the nect 20 years is clearly correct lol.

Yeap

Thank you

My point stands SRT did well against another goat bowler in Ambrose and

Wickets are now wayy too easy to bat on.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yeap

Thank you

My point stands SRT did well against another goat bowler in Ambrose and

Wickets are now wayy too easy to bat on.

You have no point. It stands as much as a flat earther claiming the world to he flat in 2025

 

[Romali_rotti]

You have no point. It stands as much as a flat earther claiming the world to he flat in 2025

Correct you have no point, Mention the name SRT and the Pakistani loses his peace, the man lives in Pakistani heads in and abroad rent free.

Earth is no longer flat, it is a triangle

 

[Ball Blazer]

Only 120 runs separate Joe Root from becoming the second-highest run-scorer in Test history

1. Sachin Tendulkar - 15921
2. Ricky Ponting - 13378
3. Jacques Kallis - 13289
4. Rahul Dravid - 13288
5. Joe Root - 13259*

 

[mominsaigol]

Correct you have no point, Mention the name SRT and the Pakistani loses his peace, the man lives in Pakistani heads in and abroad rent free.

Earth is no longer flat, it is a triangle

Ironic from Indians claiming this on Pakistani forumns.

Indian forumns exist, just letting you know.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Only 120 runs separate Joe Root from becoming the second-highest run-scorer in Test history

1. Sachin Tendulkar - 15921
2. Ricky Ponting - 13378
3. Jacques Kallis - 13289
4. Rahul Dravid - 13288
5. Joe Root - 13259*

I predict Joe will be around a 1000 runs away from SRT after a flat phatta Bangladeshi series...

The greatest batsmen I have ever seen when the wickets are dead and there is no pressure at all...

Joe Root you legend, keep going lad, you will get to 16K runs by the end of your career.....

 

[mominsaigol]

I predict Joe will be around a 1000 runs away from SRT after a flat phatta Bangladeshi series...

The greatest batsmen I have ever seen when the wickets are dead and there is no pressure at all...

Joe Root you legend, keep going lad, you will get to 16K runs by the end of your career.....

Why does it even matter to you? Neither root nor tenda have any relevance to you.

 

[sweep_shot]

I predict Joe will be around a 1000 runs away from SRT after a flat phatta Bangladeshi series...

The greatest batsmen I have ever seen when the wickets are dead and there is no pressure at all...

Joe Root you legend, keep going lad, you will get to 16K runs by the end of your career.....

Flat phatta Bangladeshi series? Bangladeshi pitches are generally complete opposite of flat phatta. LOL.

Anyway, Root should surpass Tendu Pendu if he plays for 5 more years. I also want him to do it as it can humble Indians like you and Root is a likeable fella.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Why does it even matter to you? Neither root nor tenda have any relevance to you.

What I can't now Root for Joe to get 16k runs?????

 

[Romali_rotti]

Flat phatta Bangladeshi series? Bangladeshi pitches are generally complete opposite of flat phatta. LOL.

Anyway, Root should surpass Tendu Pendu if he plays for 5 more years. I also want him to do it as it can humble Indians like you and Root is a likeable fella.

Wow

Sweep_Shot bro, Mashallaaaaahhhhh

I am honored by you responding to my post, today is one of the greatest days of my PP journey....

I have to disagree with you on one thing though, Root imo will get to 16K runs in another 2 years max not 5.

 

[mominsaigol]

Flat phatta Bangladeshi series? Bangladeshi pitches are generally complete opposite of flat phatta. LOL.

Anyway, Root should surpass Tendu Pendu if he plays for 5 more years. I also want him to do it as it can humble Indians like you and Root is a likeable fella.

Root is surpassing Tendulkar by 2027. It wont take him 5 years.

 

[Romali_rotti]

40+ year old man behaving like this .

This is too cringe for me to comment .

No no your majesty, please stay on PP for 20 more years and get clowned on non stop .

All hail Roti sahib.

Yes, so in other words SRT did well against Ambrose on challenging WI wickets.

and

Wickets nowadays are not close to the quality of SRT's ERA

Oh and >

 

[sweep_shot]

Root is surpassing Tendulkar by 2027. It wont take him 5 years.

Yeah. I also think that. He averages 50 yearly and England play a lot of Tests.

I was just being conservative in my estimation.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

No more personal remarks!

 

[BouncerGuy]

NOBODY WANTS TO SEE YOUR PERSONAL CHATS HERE

TALK ABOUT THE TOPIC OTHERWISE LEAVE THE THREAD

 

[RKhan_Cricket]

I was going through England’s World Test Championship (WTC) schedule for this cycle, and honestly, if things go as expected, we’re looking at a historic run for Joe Root.
June–August 2025: England vs India (5 Tests, Home)
He’s already started well, and for the remaining matches, you can easily add at least 200 more runs.

November 2025–January 2026: Australia vs England (5 Tests, Away)
This Ashes could be his redemption series. I’m expecting at least 600 runs, including 2 centuries and 1 double ton. He’ll have a point to prove in Australia.

June 2026: England vs New Zealand (3 Tests, Home)
Solid at home against the Kiwis—should notch up at least 300 runs.

August 2026: England vs Pakistan (3 Tests, Home)
This series will be a feast for him. Pakistan’s bowling in English conditions usually struggles, so expect at least 500 runs here.

December 2026: South Africa vs England (3 Tests, Away)
He loves batting in South Africa. His record there is already impressive, so you can confidently expect another 400 runs.
February 2027: Bangladesh vs England (2 Tests, Away)
Might keep the expectations modest here—around 200 runs—but even that adds up.

Additional Tests: i mean England does it more often before starting their main series.

Ireland (May 2026 - 1 Test)

Zimbabwe (May 2027 - 2 Tests)
Against these sides, he’ll likely help himself to at least 300 runs combined.

And if England qualify for the WTC Final, that’s another chance for him to add a hundred on the biggest stage, potentially while holding the WTC mace in his hand—which would be poetic.

If he stays fit and hits a purple patch—especially starting from the Australia tour to the final away series—breaking Tendulkar’s record isn’t a dream anymore.

At this rate, he could go past SRT’s record in 2027 itself, and if not, definitely in the first half of 2028.

It’s not a question of “if” anymore—it’s about when.

 

[RKhan_Cricket]

I was going through England’s World Test Championship (WTC) schedule for this cycle, and honestly, if things go as expected, we’re looking at a historic run for Joe Root.
June–August 2025: England vs India (5 Tests, Home)
He’s already started well, and for the remaining matches, you can easily add at least 200 more runs.

November 2025–January 2026: Australia vs England (5 Tests, Away)
This Ashes could be his redemption series. I’m expecting at least 600 runs, including 2 centuries and 1 double ton. He’ll have a point to prove in Australia.

June 2026: England vs New Zealand (3 Tests, Home)
Solid at home against the Kiwis—should notch up at least 300 runs.

August 2026: England vs Pakistan (3 Tests, Home)
This series will be a feast for him. Pakistan’s bowling in English conditions usually struggles, so expect at least 500 runs here.

December 2026: South Africa vs England (3 Tests, Away)
He loves batting in South Africa. His record there is already impressive, so you can confidently expect another 400 runs.
February 2027: Bangladesh vs England (2 Tests, Away)
Might keep the expectations modest here—around 200 runs—but even that adds up.

Additional Tests: i mean England does it more often before starting their main series.

Ireland (May 2026 - 1 Test)

Zimbabwe (May 2027 - 2 Tests)
Against these sides, he’ll likely help himself to at least 300 runs combined.

And if England qualify for the WTC Final, that’s another chance for him to add a hundred on the biggest stage, potentially while holding the WTC mace in his hand—which would be poetic.

If he stays fit and hits a purple patch—especially starting from the Australia tour to the final away series—breaking Tendulkar’s record isn’t a dream anymore.

At this rate, he could go past SRT’s record in 2027 itself, and if not, definitely in the first half of 2028.

It’s not a question of “if” anymore—it’s about when.

By the way total for this sums up to 2500 Runs.
And he needs what I think maybe 100 200 more heck I think (not 2028 but just after new cycle starts he will break it I just went too far with 1st half of 2028)

 

[Human786]

@Human786 Why are you laughing? You seriously think Root wont score 120 more runs in the 4 innings he has left to cross those 2?

You can forget about root retiring after ashes. He will play till wtc atleast. After that retirement will be up for debate. Their is nothing you can do to stop root reaching 14K runs this year and 15K by 2026.

Your 2027 prediction will meet the same fate as your repeated chants of ENG scoring 800 in a innings in all 3 Tests this series ...

 

[mominsaigol]

Your 2027 prediction will meet the same fate as your repeated chants of ENG scoring 800 in a innings in all 3 Tests this series ...

I get the last laugh. Your prediction of me failing ends in the exact same way BGT and 2023 rigged wc did.

 

[mominsaigol]

Dear God please please let aus win ashes but allow root to score 500 runs. Let these numbnuts suffer.

Its what they get for living on a Pakistani forumn