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"Will show Modi government how to treat minorities": says Imran Khan

There lies the actual problem. Modi's government is following in Pakistan's examples in treating diverse culture and communities.
 
It is not. As long as it is not claiming to be secular (and then doing things which go against secularist ideals) it is fine

It's the constitution that gives the secular identity for India. Now let me ask, how does Indian constitution discriminate between various religions or tribes?
 
Is this true?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yet another Ahmadi Mosque vandalized. Not my unknown religious extremists. Not by sunni extremist mob. But by Pakistani police. The world should end their silence & condemn the ongoing <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AhmadiApartheid?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AhmadiApartheid</a> in Pakistan. State is supposed to protect, not attack places of worship. <a href="https://t.co/bNpEIM7XSq">https://t.co/bNpEIM7XSq</a></p>— Kashif N Chaudhry (@KashifMD) <a href="https://twitter.com/KashifMD/status/1187854070234669056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 25, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
No matter how bad things get for Muslims in India, it will never be able to surpass Pakistan when it comes to discrimination of minorities.

Imran Khan can make as many tall claims as he wants, but he doesn’t have the courage to fight for the rights of minorities because he cannot withstand the pressure of the right-wing.

His government in KP allowed the mullahs to add extremist elements to textbooks and he sacked Atif Mian because the mullahs were unhappy with his Ahmadi beliefs.

What happened in Bahawalpur is extremely shameful and needs to be condemned at a national level.

Unfortunately, such news doesn’t make the mainstream media either because we are too busy looking over what happens in India.

You won’t see Imran or the wannabe celebrity and the DG of fake news and propaganda Asif Ghafoor tweet about this either.

Wishing Hindus Diwali or wishing Christians Merry Christmas won’t make Pakistan a better place for the minorities.

Unfortunately our state policy is also reflected in our society. The shameful lack of responses in this thread proves it.
 
Khan sahab is all about hawai firing. Nothing else.

I really hope he fixes the police and justice system. If he fails to do that, he will fail in my eyes. He has no excuse not to because he controls KPK, Punjab and Federal.
 
Should Pakistan be secular because it does not follow Sharia law? Why does it have to be an Islamic republic? Do we need to revisit that?
 
Pakistan is a tough to place to be a minority. If i was a minority in Pakistan i would not be very optimistic about my future there things are far worse than what they are under Modi in India.
 
Pakistan is a tough to place to be a minority. If i was a minority in Pakistan i would not be very optimistic about my future there things are far worse than what they are under Modi in India.

Anyone who is not in a position of power in Pakistan or India can consider themselves a minority.
 
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I wonder if we will ever get annoying texts on how the Ahmadis deserve solidarity of world community and how they are not alone and every Pakistani is with them.

Apart from the gullible supporters, the government is not fooling anyone with its selective solidarity. No wonder we failed to garner enough support at the U.N. No one buys our crocodile tears.
 

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Anyone who is not in a position of power in Pakistan or India can consider themselves a minority.

Anyone who isn't a man should consider himself a minority.

I suggest you please watch the movie KGF - Chapter 1 bro.

Even if you are alone, you can conquer the world and make yourself a brand by your sheer determination to rise.

Feeling of minority is nothing a but a crippling thought of an abnormal mind.
 
How do you know that? Have you lived there? :inti

Don't talk like a Neanderthal.

In 2019 you do not have to live somewhere to know how things are.

A man reads, watches, connects to know the world

Some Indians might consider Pakistan a separate country but your Bhaijaan never considered Pakistanis any different. In his heart and mind Pakistan remains an integral part of the now extinct and dysfunctional Bharat. Not the modern day India which is a mere shadow of its former self.

My heart beats for Pakistan just as much as it does for India.

I believe in Asian bloc.

If i love someone so deeply i also hold the right to express my dissatisfaction
 
Don't talk like a Neanderthal.

In 2019 you do not have to live somewhere to know how things are.

A man reads, watches, connects to know the world

Some Indians might consider Pakistan a separate country but your Bhaijaan never considered Pakistanis any different. In his heart and mind Pakistan remains an integral part of the now extinct and dysfunctional Bharat. Not the modern day India which is a mere shadow of its former self.

My heart beats for Pakistan just as much as it does for India.

I believe in Asian bloc.

If i love someone so deeply i also hold the right to express my dissatisfaction

First of all save this 'your bhaijaan' cr@p for your 5 year old fans here.

Secondly even in 2019 you have to live at a place to know how things are. It's like saying I know how married life works without even getting married lol. :inti
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To compensate for the huge gender imbalance, many Chinese men are trafficking brides from poor neighborhing countries. The Chinese government long denied the problem. Now, beyond some law enforcement, it is still mainly wishing it away with propaganda. <a href="https://t.co/Wos4AoTj0K">https://t.co/Wos4AoTj0K</a></p>— Kenneth Roth (@KenRoth) <a href="https://twitter.com/KenRoth/status/1189825259379273728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The President of Pakistan says that his nation has a “unique attitude with minorities”. Is he right?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How different can the leadership & therefore the destinies of two countries be? While Pakistan opens the Kartarpur corridor establishing that this country has a unique attitude with minorities, India is isolating and demeaning its own minorities whether in IOK or in rest of India <a href="https://t.co/hi5Pg2T5qk">pic.twitter.com/hi5Pg2T5qk</a></p>— Dr. Arif Alvi (@ArifAlvi) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArifAlvi/status/1193161579522641920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The President of Pakistan says that his nation has a “unique attitude with minorities”. Is he right?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How different can the leadership & therefore the destinies of two countries be? While Pakistan opens the Kartarpur corridor establishing that this country has a unique attitude with minorities, India is isolating and demeaning its own minorities whether in IOK or in rest of India <a href="https://t.co/hi5Pg2T5qk">pic.twitter.com/hi5Pg2T5qk</a></p>— Dr. Arif Alvi (@ArifAlvi) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArifAlvi/status/1193161579522641920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I agree with the dentist.

We don’t give two hoots about our own minorities but open corridors for the ones in neighboring countries. Certainly unique.
 
Our government destroyed an Ahmadi mosque in Punjab last month but are getting over Babri mosque.

Unique.
 
If taken in isolation then the events in Kartarpur and Ayodhya in consecutive days certainly reinforce the Presidents point.
In reality, Pakistan maybe on the right path but has a long way to go before we can say that their minority’s are not treated as inferior and persecuted based on their beliefs.
India, unfortunately under Modi is going in the opposite direction and the chasms are widening.
 
What was the official reason of the pak govt for destroying the ahmadi place of worship?

It was a dispute over the ownership of a land. Punjab police, on the orders of the commissioner, demolished the Ahmadi mosque without compensation.

The government didn’t say anything because the paid actors like Imran and Qureshi couldn’t give two hoots about the minorities in Pakistan, since giving the rights won’t potentially hurt India.
 
It was a dispute over the ownership of a land. Punjab police, on the orders of the commissioner, demolished the Ahmadi mosque without compensation.

The government didn’t say anything because the paid actors like Imran and Qureshi couldn’t give two hoots about the minorities in Pakistan, since giving the rights won’t potentially hurt India.
Thanks for that, one quick question though, who owned the land?
 
Thanks for that, one quick question though, who owned the land?

No one knows. The authorities are not available for comment. However, the locals have stated that they mosque was demolished without prior notice and no compensation has been provided yet.
 
No one knows. The authorities are not available for comment. However, the locals have stated that they mosque was demolished without prior notice and no compensation has been provided yet.
A bit worrisome that no one knows who the land belongs to, don't know how they can make a decision then.

But if the land belongs to someone else, who doesn't want to be identified then the decision is understable and no compensation would be given, as a building was built on someones elses land.

But if the land belonged to the ahmadhis, then this is an injustice.

Really need to know who owns the land.

Pakistan has a terrible problem with land disputes, i have heard many stories of land disputes in pakistan from people i know.
 
A bit worrisome that no one knows who the land belongs to, don't know how they can make a decision then.

But if the land belongs to someone else, who doesn't want to be identified then the decision is understable and no compensation would be given, as a building was built on someones elses land.

But if the land belonged to the ahmadhis, then this is an injustice.

Really need to know who owns the land.

Pakistan has a terrible problem with land disputes, i have heard many stories of land disputes in pakistan from people i know.

It is not understandable. Would the authorities demolish a Sunni mosque if the land belonged to Ahmadis?

More importantly, the authorities need to provide clarification. They should explain to the public why the mosque was demolished instead of brushing it under the carpet.

Minorities have no rights in Pakistan and they are treated like animals. Nothing has changed under Imran regardless of his tall claims of showing Modi how to treat minorities. It is all talk and zero action.
 
It is not understandable. Would the authorities demolish a Sunni mosque if the land belonged to Ahmadis?

More importantly, the authorities need to provide clarification. They should explain to the public why the mosque was demolished instead of brushing it under the carpet.

Minorities have no rights in Pakistan and they are treated like animals. Nothing has changed under Imran regardless of his tall claims of showing Modi how to treat minorities. It is all talk and zero action.
You misunderstood me.
I said that it should be determined who owns the land.
If the land does not belong to the ahmadis, then demoltion of the building is justifiable, if the landowner wants the building removed. The same would happen in the uk. Now what i said was understandable, is if the owner does not want to be identified, in case of reprisals, the officials can still show that the ahmadhis have no documentation showing ownership of the land and that the owner has provided the offcials with documents showing ownership of the land.

However, if the land belongs to the ahmadhis, then this is unjust.
The simple solution, if the officials wont say who owns the land is for the ahmadhis to publicly display to the media their land registry of the land and then pursue the govt in court!
 
You misunderstood me.
I said that it should be determined who owns the land.
If the land does not belong to the ahmadis, then demoltion of the building is justifiable, if the landowner wants the building removed. The same would happen in the uk. Now what i said was understandable, is if the owner does not want to be identified, in case of reprisals, the officials can still show that the ahmadhis have no documentation showing ownership of the land and that the owner has provided the offcials with documents showing ownership of the land.

However, if the land belongs to the ahmadhis, then this is unjust.
The simple solution, if the officials wont say who owns the land is for the ahmadhis to publicly display to the media their land registry of the land and then pursue the govt in court!
The neutrality of British Muslims on display again... hahaha
What Mommon said is right, the mosque was destroyed to intimidate the minority ahmedi’s and nothing else.
But our British Muslim will defend this act as they are neutral.
 
I don’t get the logic of some of our people. Why do we demand preferential treatment for Muslims in both Pakistan and India?
 
I don’t get the logic of some of our people. Why do we demand preferential treatment for Muslims in both Pakistan and India?

Pakistanis and indians are both as bad as each other and centuries behind the modern world, in terms of mentality and behaviour.
 
I don’t get the logic of some of our people. Why do we demand preferential treatment for Muslims in both Pakistan and India?

It's the Indian people who are asking for their rights, is it to much to ask that their places of worship aren't demolished by rampaging mobs?

Of course, if India wants to demolish every single mosque in India, there is not much we outside can do other than condemn it, or perhaps condone it in your case.
 
It's the Indian people who are asking for their rights, is it to much to ask that their places of worship aren't demolished by rampaging mobs?

Of course, if India wants to demolish every single mosque in India, there is not much we outside can do other than condemn it, or perhaps condone it in your case.

Are we any different? Last month, an Ahmadi mosque was demolished in Punjab on the orders of a government official. Unsurprisingly, there has been no criticism.

It seems that we are okay with Muslims abusing their majority in Pakistan but throw fits when Hindus do the same in India.
 
Are we any different? Last month, an Ahmadi mosque was demolished in Punjab on the orders of a government official. Unsurprisingly, there has been no criticism.

It seems that we are okay with Muslims abusing their majority in Pakistan but throw fits when Hindus do the same in India.

That's ok then. Perhaps both authorities are right and these places do need to be demolished.
 
That's ok then. Perhaps both authorities are right and these places do need to be demolished.

The Indian authorities gave the Muslims an equivalent land. The Pakistani authorities told the Ahmadis to move on, providing no compensation.

That is the difference between the two countries. It is always laughable to see us lecture India on how to treat minorities when we are far worse.
 
The Indian authorities gave the Muslims an equivalent land. The Pakistani authorities told the Ahmadis to move on, providing no compensation.

That is the difference between the two countries. It is always laughable to see us lecture India on how to treat minorities when we are far worse.

When you talk about us giving lectures, you can only speak on behalf of Pakistan. As far as I am aware, Pakistan govt doesn't consider Ahmadis as minorities, rather as another form of Islamic sect which denies legitimacy of prevailing authority.

If you are going to compare apples with apples, you would be better comparing India's treatment of non-Hindus with Pakistan's treatment of non-Muslims.

Also, Pakistan doesn't pretend to be secular, so there is less stench of hypocrisy. It would be better if Pakistan was actually an official secular country rather than a so called Islamic republic, that way they wouldn't feel obliged to ostracise what they deem to be threats to their ideology.
 
The Indian authorities gave the Muslims an equivalent land. The Pakistani authorities told the Ahmadis to move on, providing no compensation.

That is the difference between the two countries. It is always laughable to see us lecture India on how to treat minorities when we are far worse.
Have tha ahmadhis provided any documents showing that the land was theirs?
In land disputes, the losing party does not receive compensation.
The indian compensation to the "losing" muslim side , is effectively a BRIBE, so that the muslims would accept the decision!
 
When you talk about us giving lectures, you can only speak on behalf of Pakistan. As far as I am aware, Pakistan govt doesn't consider Ahmadis as minorities, rather as another form of Islamic sect which denies legitimacy of prevailing authority.

If you are going to compare apples with apples, you would be better comparing India's treatment of non-Hindus with Pakistan's treatment of non-Muslims.

Also, Pakistan doesn't pretend to be secular, so there is less stench of hypocrisy. It would be better if Pakistan was actually an official secular country rather than a so called Islamic republic, that way they wouldn't feel obliged to ostracise what they deem to be threats to their ideology.

The Pakistani constitution considers Ahmadis as non-Muslims, hence they are part of the minorities. Therefore, comparing the treatment of Ahmadis in Pakistan to the treatment of Muslims in India is not an apple-orange comparison.
 
Have tha ahmadhis provided any documents showing that the land was theirs?
In land disputes, the losing party does not receive compensation.
The indian compensation to the "losing" muslim side , is effectively a BRIBE, so that the muslims would accept the decision!

When you destroy a mosque, a temple or any other place of worship for whatever reason, it is your moral obligation to compensate the followers and not hurt their sentiments. Unfortunately, the government of Pakistan does not care about the sentiments of the Ahmadi community. In fact, they probably don’t even consider them as human beings.
 
When you destroy a mosque, a temple or any other place of worship for whatever reason, it is your moral obligation to compensate the followers and not hurt their sentiments. Unfortunately, the government of Pakistan does not care about the sentiments of the Ahmadi community. In fact, they probably don’t even consider them as human beings.
Not if the place of worship was built illegally on the land it occupies.
Compensation should never legally be give in such cases to the losing party.
 
The neutrality of British Muslims on display again... hahaha
What Mommon said is right, the mosque was destroyed to intimidate the minority ahmedi’s and nothing else.
But our British Muslim will defend this act as they are neutral.

Nothing neutral, if the ahmadhis have documents that prove the land is theres, then not only should the ahmahis be fully compensated, but criminal proceedings, should be taken against the people who issued the demolition orders.
But if the ahmadhis do not have any proof of ownership of the land, then the decision can be seen as legally fair, though cruel.
 
I think that in backward countries like pakistan and india, it is best for minorities to convert to the main religion of that country, in the interest of themselves and their family.
I know people will be angered by this, but it will be hugely beneficial to the individuals in question, as both pakistan and india suffer from deeply ingrained xenophobia.
 
The Pakistani constitution considers Ahmadis as non-Muslims, hence they are part of the minorities. Therefore, comparing the treatment of Ahmadis in Pakistan to the treatment of Muslims in India is not an apple-orange comparison.

Ahmadis themselves won't accept non-Muslim status so that negates your argument. They themselves don't accept traditional Islam as valid as far as I know.
 
Ahmadis themselves won't accept non-Muslim status so that negates your argument. They themselves don't accept traditional Islam as valid as far as I know.

How so?

Ahmadis can call themselves whatever they want, but the state of Pakistan views them as minorities. Hence, they are subjected to the same human rights violations and mistreatment as other minorities in the country.
 
How so?

Ahmadis can call themselves whatever they want, but the state of Pakistan views them as minorities. Hence, they are subjected to the same human rights violations and mistreatment as other minorities in the country.

Are they? Seems to me they might be subjected to worse violations than the other minorities. In any case, two wrongs don't make a right. It's a weak stance to say because the Pakistan authorities have issues with an Ahmadi mosque, it is ok to demolish mosques in India. You are free to condemn both rather than point score.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not only Shias or ahmadiyas but most persecuted people in Pakistan are mohajirs who are non punjabi non Sindhi Muslims went from india during partition They are still considered second class citizens <a href="https://t.co/OGee4xsFP6">https://t.co/OGee4xsFP6</a></p>— Rajeev Shukla (@ShuklaRajiv) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShuklaRajiv/status/1208810500563206146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Love the concern for our minorities.

Pakistani Bohras (and I am one of them) are THRIVING in Pakistan. Another case of lying from India.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not only Shias or ahmadiyas but most persecuted people in Pakistan are mohajirs who are non punjabi non Sindhi Muslims went from india during partition They are still considered second class citizens <a href="https://t.co/OGee4xsFP6">https://t.co/OGee4xsFP6</a></p>— Rajeev Shukla (@ShuklaRajiv) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShuklaRajiv/status/1208810500563206146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Love the concern for our minorities.

Pakistani Bohras (and I am one of them) are THRIVING in Pakistan. Another case of lying from India.

Bohras thrive around the world Irrespective of region .. Indian origin ones in Gujarat and Arab states they have been big time supporters of Modi..

That’s the reason they get a mention..Its politics not concern, very similar to IK .. this game is being played on both sides, Congress didn’t care and neither did other parties of Pak except PTI..

https://scroll.in/article/690304/why-bohra-muslims-are-so-enamoured-of-narendra-modi
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not only Shias or ahmadiyas but most persecuted people in Pakistan are mohajirs who are non punjabi non Sindhi Muslims went from india during partition They are still considered second class citizens <a href="https://t.co/OGee4xsFP6">https://t.co/OGee4xsFP6</a></p>— Rajeev Shukla (@ShuklaRajiv) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShuklaRajiv/status/1208810500563206146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Love the concern for our minorities.

Pakistani Bohras (and I am one of them) are THRIVING in Pakistan. Another case of lying from India.

LOL at an Indian telling me (a Muhajir) that I'm persecuted in Pakistan... Kuch bhi baqwas karwalo insay
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not only Shias or ahmadiyas but most persecuted people in Pakistan are mohajirs who are non punjabi non Sindhi Muslims went from india during partition They are still considered second class citizens <a href="https://t.co/OGee4xsFP6">https://t.co/OGee4xsFP6</a></p>— Rajeev Shukla (@ShuklaRajiv) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShuklaRajiv/status/1208810500563206146?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Love the concern for our minorities.

Pakistani Bohras (and I am one of them) are THRIVING in Pakistan. Another case of lying from India.

Lol *** mohajirs (aka me) are being persecuted?

If ahmadis are being persecuted like me than they are fine. Unfortunately not.

Idiots do anything for pointscoring
 
The only group that is religiously persecuted is of Ahmeddiyyas in Pakistan.
 
Someone please ask Niazi to show whatever it is to Junaid Hafeez first?

Also, wasn't the exiled leader of Mohajirs asking India to grant him asylum recently? Maybe Modi passed the CAA to prevent that :ashwin
 
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Pakistan rejects 'unilateral and arbitrary' US designation for religious freedom violations

Pakistan on Tuesday rejected its listing by the United States as a violator of religious freedoms, saying the "unilateral and arbitrary designation" is not only detached from the ground realities of Pakistan but also raises questions about the credibility and transparency of the entire exercise.

The Foreign Office in a strongly worded statement also questioned the "conspicuous omission" of India from the list, saying it reflected the "subjectivity and bias" of the US State Department’s designations.

The US had last week retained Pakistan among the countries that tolerate religious discrimination. The determination, made on December 18, includes Myanmar, China, Erit*r**ea, Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Tajikistan and Turkm*enistan among the states that have been re-designated as “Countries of Particular Concern (CPC)”.

The State Department makes these designations under the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 and countries on the CPC list are classified as “having engaged in or tolerated systematic, ongoing, [and] egregious violations of religious freedom”.

Countries in this category can face further actions, including economic sanctions, by Washington.

The FO spokesperson said Pakistan's designation is reflective of "selective targeting of countries, and thus unlikely to be helpful to the professed cause of advancing religious freedom".

"Pakistan is a multi-religious and pluralistic country where people of all faiths enjoy religious freedom under constitutional protections," the press release said, adding that all branches of the government — the executive, legislature and the judiciary — have made concerted efforts to ensure that all citizens of Pakistan can practice their religion freely.

"The higher judiciary of the country has given landmark judgements directing on ensuring the sanctity and security of places of worship of minorities."

According to the FO, Pakistan has also engaged with the international community, including the US, to develop a better understanding of religious freedom issues and earlier this year, Senator Samuel Brownback, the US Ambassador-at-Large for International Religious Freedom, was welcomed in Pakistan for dialogue to advance the mutual objectives of religious freedom globally. "It is regrettable that this constructive engagement has been overlooked," the statement said.

It added that the subjectivity and bias of the exercise are further illustrated by the omission of India, "the biggest violator of religious freedom".

"The US Congress has held two hearings and more than 70 US legislators have publicly expressed concerns over India’s treatment of Kashmiris and prolonged suppression of their fundamental rights in the Indian-occupied Jammu and Kashmir," the spokesperson said, noting that the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights in Geneva, the UN Secretary General, and several European parliaments have expressed similar concerns.

"In today’s India, people belonging to minority communities are being lynched, persecuted and killed with impunity. The National Register of Citizens (NRC) and the recently adopted Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) are the latest examples of the Indian government's actions to discriminate against people and evidently pave the way towards cleansing of society on the basis of religion."

The press release stated that challenges to religious freedom are a global concern and "only cooperative efforts can help address them".

It highlighted that Pakistan for its part has also raised concerns over the growing trend of Islamophobia in many Western countries, including the US.

"Working together in an environment of trust and understanding is the best way forward in realising the objective of promoting and protecting religious freedom," the FO concluded.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1524141/p...-designation-for-religious-freedom-violations
 
Hindu woman abducted from wedding venue, forcibly converted to Islam and married off to a Muslim man

https://www.theweek.in/news/world/2020/01/27/hindu-woman-abducted-in-pakistan-forcibly-converted-to-islam-and-married-off-to-muslim-man.html

3rd or 4th such incident in the fortnight, Pak PM must intervene if he is serious about minority rights. Police apparently helped the perpetrators, shame on them. Feel for the family members of the girl, imagine having to see this ghastly crime at their sister/daughter's wedding !!!

Most of these crimes are happening in Sindh, PPP is a hypocritical party.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another Hindu temple attacked near Chachro, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tharparkar?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Tharparkar</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Sindh?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Sindh</a>. Holy scriptures and statues desecrated, The people who carried out this attack must be brought to justice. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> <a href="https://t.co/d2Gd6l2w6k">pic.twitter.com/d2Gd6l2w6k</a></p>— Shiraz Hassan (@ShirazHassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShirazHassan/status/1221460933454766083?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Once again Mata Rani Temple in chachro <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Sindh?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Sindh</a> attacked extremists <br>They demolished idols & set fire to holy books .<a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> This is embarrassing for every responsible Pakistani <a href="https://twitter.com/BBhuttoZardari?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BBhuttoZardari</a> What is your Sindh government is doing to protect minorities? <a href="https://t.co/3Qs3EUedIu">pic.twitter.com/3Qs3EUedIu</a></p>— Arzoo Kazmi (@Arzookazmi30) <a href="https://twitter.com/Arzookazmi30/status/1221852784233938945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hindu temple around three kilometres from the town of Chachro in vandalised. Statue of Mata Rani Bhatiyani desecrated. Sindh govt must take immediate action against the people responsible for this shameful act. Pics via Jitesh K Maheshwari <a href="https://t.co/8HO5Un9EfS">pic.twitter.com/8HO5Un9EfS</a></p>— Bilal Farooqi (@bilalfqi) <a href="https://twitter.com/bilalfqi/status/1221449194063507462?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 26, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sindh again, shame. Hope the authorities deliver justice.
 
Poor from Pakistan, extremely poor.

Religious places should never be made targets of bigotry...Especially if they belong to minorities....
 
LOL at an Indian telling me (a Muhajir) that I'm persecuted in Pakistan... Kuch bhi baqwas karwalo insay

Lol *** mohajirs (aka me) are being persecuted?

If ahmadis are being persecuted like me than they are fine. Unfortunately not.

Idiots do anything for pointscoring

Not point-scoring, those two are from Congress and oppose CAA in its current form. Must see their statements in view of this amendment controversy, they might be incorrect about Shia/Mohajir persecution but that isn't the point. They want to make a change in amendment and include Muslims along with other religious communities. Mohajir is about ethnicity, not religion but doubt they care about that, most Indians wouldn't even know. This is simply politicking to oppose CAA in its current version.
 
The United States on Wednesday sharply condemned terrorist and violent attacks against minority Hindus in Pakistan and communist China’s “hostility” towards its people of all faiths.

Launching an International Religious Freedom Alliance of 27 countries, which US officials have said will be something like an “activist club” of nations that will aggressively push globally on religious freedom issues, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo took aim at persecution of and violent attacks on religious minorities in several countries.

“We condemn terrorists and violent extremists who target religious minorities, whether they are Yezidis in Iraq, Hindus in Pakistan, Christians in northeast Nigeria, or Muslims in Burma,” he said at a dinner he hosted for members of the alliance here on Wednesday.

The top US diplomat also condemned “blasphemy and apostasy laws that criminalize matters of the soul”, he did not name any country, but Pakistan is among a handful of countries that aggressively enforce blasphemy laws, which carry sentences ranging from life in jail to execution. Victims have been mostly Muslims and Ahmedi Muslims (who are not considered muslims by Pakistan) and minority Christians and Hindus.

There are an estimated 1.4 million Hindus in Pakistan and they have been targeted by terrorists and violent extremists, and discriminated against societally. The state offers them little protection, along with other minorities. A state department report on the state of religious freedom in Pakistan said in 2019 that bonded labour in the brick-making industry and in agriculture were “predominantly”Hindus and Christians.

A growing number of these persecuted Hindus head to India. The Modi government enacted a law in 2019, the Citizenship Amendment Act, that makes it easier for persecuted Hindus from any of the neighboring countries to seek refuge in India, and settle down as citizens.

Pakistan has been on US radar for religious freedom violations for a long time, as well as for human rights and, with the most expansive implications for the rest of the world, its continued support for terrorism. The US re-designated Pakistan as one of “countries of particular concern” last December for “systematic, ongoing, [and] egregious violations of religious freedom”.

Also on the list of the list of -re-designated countries was China, who persecution of religious minorities has received much more attention from the Trump administration than before. A US official compared China’s detention camps for Muslim Uighurs to the “concentration camps” run by the Nazis for Jews. And the House of Representatives passed a legislation last December recommending sanctions against China for the mistreatment of Uighurs.

Addressing alliance partners at the Wednesday dinner, Secretary Pompeo said, “We condemn the Chinese Communist Party’s hostility to all faiths.” He went on to commend the partners for “courageously” pushing back against Chinese pressure to participate in the alliance.

There has been response from Beijing to these remarks.

The 27 members of the alliance are the United States, Albania, Austria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Colombia, Croatia, Czech Republic, Estonia, The Gambia, Georgia, Greece, Hungary, Israel, Kosovo, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Senegal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Togo, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom.

US officials have said the number could grow or go down. It could not be immediately ascertained if India was invited to join, and didn’t. Or that it was not invited at all.

A senior state department official told reporters, at a briefing on the launch of the alliance, that the United States is “concerned about what’s taking place in India”. The official said the US has “expressed desire first to try to help and work through some of these issues”.

“That’s the first step, is just saying can we work with you on this,” the official added, but did not specify next steps.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...-all-faiths/story-1WM2jkhBCjASmX2Iq9pDSJ.html
 
The United States on Wednesday sharply condemned terrorist and violent attacks against minority Hindus in Pakistan and communist China’s “hostility” towards its people of all faiths.

Launching an International Religious Freedom Alliance of 27 countries, which US officials have said will be something like an “activist club” of nations that will aggressively push globally on religious freedom issues, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo took aim at persecution of and violent attacks on religious minorities in several countries.

“We condemn terrorists and violent extremists who target religious minorities, whether they are Yezidis in Iraq, Hindus in Pakistan, Christians in northeast Nigeria, or Muslims in Burma,” he said at a dinner he hosted for members of the alliance here on Wednesday.

The top US diplomat also condemned “blasphemy and apostasy laws that criminalize matters of the soul”, he did not name any country, but Pakistan is among a handful of countries that aggressively enforce blasphemy laws, which carry sentences ranging from life in jail to execution. Victims have been mostly Muslims and Ahmedi Muslims (who are not considered muslims by Pakistan) and minority Christians and Hindus.

There are an estimated 1.4 million Hindus in Pakistan and they have been targeted by terrorists and violent extremists, and discriminated against societally. The state offers them little protection, along with other minorities. A state department report on the state of religious freedom in Pakistan said in 2019 that bonded labour in the brick-making industry and in agriculture were “predominantly”Hindus and Christians.

A growing number of these persecuted Hindus head to India. The Modi government enacted a law in 2019, the Citizenship Amendment Act, that makes it easier for persecuted Hindus from any of the neighboring countries to seek refuge in India, and settle down as citizens.

Pakistan has been on US radar for religious freedom violations for a long time, as well as for human rights and, with the most expansive implications for the rest of the world, its continued support for terrorism. The US re-designated Pakistan as one of “countries of particular concern” last December for “systematic, ongoing, [and] egregious violations of religious freedom”.

Also on the list of the list of -re-designated countries was China, who persecution of religious minorities has received much more attention from the Trump administration than before. A US official compared China’s detention camps for Muslim Uighurs to the “concentration camps” run by the Nazis for Jews. And the House of Representatives passed a legislation last December recommending sanctions against China for the mistreatment of Uighurs.

Addressing alliance partners at the Wednesday dinner, Secretary Pompeo said, “We condemn the Chinese Communist Party’s hostility to all faiths.” He went on to commend the partners for “courageously” pushing back against Chinese pressure to participate in the alliance.

There has been response from Beijing to these remarks.

The 27 members of the alliance are the United States, Albania, Austria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Colombia, Croatia, Czech Republic, Estonia, The Gambia, Georgia, Greece, Hungary, Israel, Kosovo, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Senegal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Togo, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom.

US officials have said the number could grow or go down. It could not be immediately ascertained if India was invited to join, and didn’t. Or that it was not invited at all.

A senior state department official told reporters, at a briefing on the launch of the alliance, that the United States is “concerned about what’s taking place in India”. The official said the US has “expressed desire first to try to help and work through some of these issues”.

“That’s the first step, is just saying can we work with you on this,” the official added, but did not specify next steps.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/worl...-all-faiths/story-1WM2jkhBCjASmX2Iq9pDSJ.html

That's that Indian donation money for republican party talking not Pompeo only think he is interested is that fat checks he is going to get from military complex and building judeo-Christian America
 
Hindu minor girl who was forcefully converted renounces Islam; Pakistani clerics demand death penalty

A section of Islamic clerics in Pakistan is up in arms after a minor Hindu girl Mehak Kumari retracted her previous statement in the court where she stated that she wasn't converted forcefully to Islam.

Mehak Kumari had earlier admitted to willfully marrying Ali Raza and denied any external pressure behind her conversion to Islam.

This, however, sparked major protests from the Hindu community which accuses a government-Moulvi nexus behind widespread conversions in the country and selective targeting of Hindu girls.

Clerics have even demanded a death penalty to the minor who they say is a culprit of insulting Islam. They have rejected the probe and proceedings of Sessions Court and have already moved to the high court.

The clerics have even threatened to go to the Shariat Court if the girl is not brought to justice in a manner they want.

"The girl has renounced Islam and we will be acting as the Sharia law in the future. We have made an appeal in the high court and will be receiving an order tomorrow. If required, we will go to the Supreme Court and the Shariat Court," said one of the clerics while interacting with media.

The court, which has yet not announced its verdict, has sent Mehak Kumari to a local Dar-ul-Aman for eleven days.

The counsel representing the parents of Mehak, who are also the complainants in the case, informed that the court wanted to have a thorough investigation into the case and didn't want to rush the judgment under any pressure.

"The court has not announced any verdict and we have been given a time frame of eleven days. The court has further ordered to keep Mehak Kumari alias Nanki Kumari at a Dar-ul-Aman in Larkana district of Sindh. The next hearing is on February 18. The Additional Sessions Judge has also said that both the parties, the accused Ali Raza Solanki and complainant Ajay Kumar Wadwani will make separate requests to meet the girl. They will meet her separately in the presence of their own counsels," he said.

"We have moved our request to meet the girl. Ajay Kumar and I will be meeting the girl. Ali Raza Solanki has not moved any request thus far. We are hoping for the best to transpire on the 18th of the month. We have a lot of hopes from the judiciary, the judicial system and the government of Pakistan," he added.

While the cases of forceful conversions have always existed in Pakistan, a significant spike has been registered lately. The fundamentalists who hold great sway in the country have been pushing for such practices and have been encouraging youth into doing so.

While Prime Minister Imran Khan has presented several narratives about the condition of minorities in Pakistan, a perennially unsafe and scared minority in Pakistan is a harsh reality.

This is pertinent to mention here that India brought in the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) in the month of December last year to provide citizenship to persecuted minorities from three of its neighbouring countries including Pakistan.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wap.bu...ul-conversion-in-pakistan-120020801341_1.html

Pakistan media not reporting this news ?
There are some videos circulating about this but those are not shared by verified sources.
 
Hindu minor girl who was forcefully converted renounces Islam; Pakistani clerics demand death penalty

A section of Islamic clerics in Pakistan is up in arms after a minor Hindu girl Mehak Kumari retracted her previous statement in the court where she stated that she wasn't converted forcefully to Islam.

Mehak Kumari had earlier admitted to willfully marrying Ali Raza and denied any external pressure behind her conversion to Islam.

This, however, sparked major protests from the Hindu community which accuses a government-Moulvi nexus behind widespread conversions in the country and selective targeting of Hindu girls.

Clerics have even demanded a death penalty to the minor who they say is a culprit of insulting Islam. They have rejected the probe and proceedings of Sessions Court and have already moved to the high court.

The clerics have even threatened to go to the Shariat Court if the girl is not brought to justice in a manner they want.

"The girl has renounced Islam and we will be acting as the Sharia law in the future. We have made an appeal in the high court and will be receiving an order tomorrow. If required, we will go to the Supreme Court and the Shariat Court," said one of the clerics while interacting with media.

The court, which has yet not announced its verdict, has sent Mehak Kumari to a local Dar-ul-Aman for eleven days.

The counsel representing the parents of Mehak, who are also the complainants in the case, informed that the court wanted to have a thorough investigation into the case and didn't want to rush the judgment under any pressure.

"The court has not announced any verdict and we have been given a time frame of eleven days. The court has further ordered to keep Mehak Kumari alias Nanki Kumari at a Dar-ul-Aman in Larkana district of Sindh. The next hearing is on February 18. The Additional Sessions Judge has also said that both the parties, the accused Ali Raza Solanki and complainant Ajay Kumar Wadwani will make separate requests to meet the girl. They will meet her separately in the presence of their own counsels," he said.

"We have moved our request to meet the girl. Ajay Kumar and I will be meeting the girl. Ali Raza Solanki has not moved any request thus far. We are hoping for the best to transpire on the 18th of the month. We have a lot of hopes from the judiciary, the judicial system and the government of Pakistan," he added.

While the cases of forceful conversions have always existed in Pakistan, a significant spike has been registered lately. The fundamentalists who hold great sway in the country have been pushing for such practices and have been encouraging youth into doing so.

While Prime Minister Imran Khan has presented several narratives about the condition of minorities in Pakistan, a perennially unsafe and scared minority in Pakistan is a harsh reality.

This is pertinent to mention here that India brought in the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) in the month of December last year to provide citizenship to persecuted minorities from three of its neighbouring countries including Pakistan.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wap.bu...ul-conversion-in-pakistan-120020801341_1.html

Pakistan media not reporting this news ?
There are some videos circulating about this but those are not shared by verified sources.

So, what happened to Imran Khan's quote that he will show Modi how to treat minorities?
 
So, what happened to Imran Khan's quote that he will show Modi how to treat minorities?

Imran Khan himself doesn’t endorse these things, while Modi does. That’s the difference. Comparing Modi with Khan is like comparing apples and oranges.
 
Imran Khan himself doesn’t endorse these things, while Modi does. That’s the difference. Comparing Modi with Khan is like comparing apples and oranges.

He does endorse these things, which is why he welcomed Fayyaz Chauhan back in the party after getting rid of him for a few months to protect him from the firing line.

Besides, it is not about beliefs and endorsement, it is about actions. If Imran cannot or does not want to back his words with actions, his endorsement is of no value.

The again, the whole world knows that he is a con-artist whose only expertise is fooling his cult-followers.
 
India receives a lot of flak nowadays for its treatment of minorities from Pakistanis.

However, minorities are much safer in India than Pakistan. There is not even a comparison. I doubt India would ever reach Pakistan’s level of persecution of minorities.

When it comes to killing and mistreating minorities, Pakistan is the undisputed champion.
 
Hindu minor girl who was forcefully converted renounces Islam; Pakistani clerics demand death penalty

A section of Islamic clerics in Pakistan is up in arms after a minor Hindu girl Mehak Kumari retracted her previous statement in the court where she stated that she wasn't converted forcefully to Islam.

Mehak Kumari had earlier admitted to willfully marrying Ali Raza and denied any external pressure behind her conversion to Islam.

This, however, sparked major protests from the Hindu community which accuses a government-Moulvi nexus behind widespread conversions in the country and selective targeting of Hindu girls.

Clerics have even demanded a death penalty to the minor who they say is a culprit of insulting Islam. They have rejected the probe and proceedings of Sessions Court and have already moved to the high court.

The clerics have even threatened to go to the Shariat Court if the girl is not brought to justice in a manner they want.

"The girl has renounced Islam and we will be acting as the Sharia law in the future. We have made an appeal in the high court and will be receiving an order tomorrow. If required, we will go to the Supreme Court and the Shariat Court," said one of the clerics while interacting with media.

The court, which has yet not announced its verdict, has sent Mehak Kumari to a local Dar-ul-Aman for eleven days.

The counsel representing the parents of Mehak, who are also the complainants in the case, informed that the court wanted to have a thorough investigation into the case and didn't want to rush the judgment under any pressure.

"The court has not announced any verdict and we have been given a time frame of eleven days. The court has further ordered to keep Mehak Kumari alias Nanki Kumari at a Dar-ul-Aman in Larkana district of Sindh. The next hearing is on February 18. The Additional Sessions Judge has also said that both the parties, the accused Ali Raza Solanki and complainant Ajay Kumar Wadwani will make separate requests to meet the girl. They will meet her separately in the presence of their own counsels," he said.

"We have moved our request to meet the girl. Ajay Kumar and I will be meeting the girl. Ali Raza Solanki has not moved any request thus far. We are hoping for the best to transpire on the 18th of the month. We have a lot of hopes from the judiciary, the judicial system and the government of Pakistan," he added.

While the cases of forceful conversions have always existed in Pakistan, a significant spike has been registered lately. The fundamentalists who hold great sway in the country have been pushing for such practices and have been encouraging youth into doing so.

While Prime Minister Imran Khan has presented several narratives about the condition of minorities in Pakistan, a perennially unsafe and scared minority in Pakistan is a harsh reality.

This is pertinent to mention here that India brought in the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) in the month of December last year to provide citizenship to persecuted minorities from three of its neighbouring countries including Pakistan.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wap.bu...ul-conversion-in-pakistan-120020801341_1.html

Pakistan media not reporting this news ?
There are some videos circulating about this but those are not shared by verified sources.

I condemn this act and SC and Govt should take notice of this if its true ...

btw, bro you can post more this kind of news on this thread if you want, but you should know that if i want to start a thread on India, thn its gonna be update on every 12 hours with such kind of news, i have enough damn material for this ....

so you better not try to to point score on other's person misery ....
 
So, what happened to Imran Khan's quote that he will show Modi how to treat minorities?

Imran Khan does not monitor the ins and outs of each action that happens in Pakistan - some commonsense should be applied when talking about policies of governments vs actions of some people etc
 
“Will show Modi how to treat minorities” - Imran Khan

Just imagine if the girl was a muslim, abductor hindu & the country was India. hell would've broken loose. Pakistan is probably the worst country in the world(followed mostly by other muslim countries) for religious minorities
 
Just imagine if the girl was a muslim, abductor hindu & the country was India. hell would've broken loose. Pakistan is probably the worst country in the world(followed mostly by other muslim countries) for religious minorities

What makes it worse than other Muslim countries?
 
Just imagine if the girl was a muslim, abductor hindu & the country was India. hell would've broken loose. Pakistan is probably the worst country in the world(followed mostly by other muslim countries) for religious minorities

Such a generic comment.
 
Just imagine if the girl was a muslim, abductor hindu & the country was India. hell would've broken loose. Pakistan is probably the worst country in the world(followed mostly by other muslim countries) for religious minorities

You meant to say,

1)Muslim child was kidnapped, raped and married forcefully in India by a Hindu old guy.
2)Then Court proclaims that marriage is legal
3)Then child gives statement about forcefully getting married.
4)Then Hindu extremist ask for death penalty for kid.

I do think that the first step can happen in any scociety.

Problem is step 2 and step 4. That's a rotten thing to do and it leaves very little hope for minority. Step 2 is most worrisome because it's an institution.

I hope with more media focus(this news is not in Pakistani media yet based on posts in this thread) and more Pakistani speaking against it, tide will turn. It may take few decades , but situation will change.

I am not overly impressed with IK as a leader of country, but posters balming IK for this is not being honest to themself. IK can't control judiciary.
 
Just imagine if the girl was a muslim, abductor hindu & the country was India. hell would've broken loose. Pakistan is probably the worst country in the world(followed mostly by other muslim countries) for religious minorities

That is why the world doesn’t give two hoots when our PM fires tweets and desperately tries to implore the world to pay heed to India’s human rights violations in Kashmir.

Globally, Pakistan does not have a shred of credibility and deserves its terrible reputation.
 
That is why the world doesn’t give two hoots when our PM fires tweets and desperately tries to implore the world to pay heed to India’s human rights violations in Kashmir.

Globally, Pakistan does not have a shred of credibility and deserves its terrible reputation.

Pakistanis in general are just too full of themselves. Like other Muslim countries, they believe they are always right, and refuse to accept the rest of the world's dictates on how to conduct themselves according to non-Islamic convention.
 
That is why the world doesn’t give two hoots when our PM fires tweets and desperately tries to implore the world to pay heed to India’s human rights violations in Kashmir.

Globally, Pakistan does not have a shred of credibility and deserves its terrible reputation.

And other countries pay two hoots to US when they enter in other country to in the name of spreading Democracy?

It's all about $$.
 
I am not overly impressed with IK as a leader of country, but posters balming IK for this is not being honest to themself. IK can't control judiciary.

Judiciary only interprets the laws. Laws are made by the lawmakers. So IK cannot be blamed for the law, but he can have the law amended for future.
 
A very well placed barb though. Not only is the poster having a dig at Pakistan, he also managed to slam Muslim countries in general within one sentence.

Still a generic comment.

Almost always from either Indians or Pakistani wrist slitter trying to increase points on a forum as if virtual reality is an actual reality.
 
Judiciary only interprets the laws. Laws are made by the lawmakers. So IK cannot be blamed for the law, but he can have the law amended for future.

Can he simply amend the law or he needs support from other senators? I don't know if he has enough suppoort to amend law. I am not defending IK here, simply thinking aloud. I recall one lawmaker was shot dead in Pakistan who tried to stand up for miniroty. It may not be very simple to change this in few years. I think it will take decades if balls start rolling now.
 
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