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A humiliating defeat at home for India

Mamoon said:
I don’t think so. I expect India to produce extreme turners to protect themselves from further embarrassment.

*Ignoring the rest of the irrelevant rant*
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So you back India to win this series 2-1..

Got it. All of that for absolutely nothing.
 
Technics 1210 said:
What did I tell you folks. Name dropping Pakistan in an Indian thread.

No progression until these fickle Indian fans escape Pakistan, mentally.
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When a Pakistani opens his mouth on Indian cricket, it's obvious the reactions will come from Indian fans.

Although I'll admit that it's beneath the dignity of even Bangladeshi fans to speak on Pakistan cricket after whitewashing them away from home.
 
i believe
they are still the favorite to win this series

at best the series might get draw
newzeland is no way winning this series
 
Pat Cummins returned home from winning the ODI WC in India without any protocol. He was carrying his own bags. Australia don’t even talk about it anymore.

On the other hand, India is a cricket nation that celebrated the T20 WC like no other nation celebrated before them. They spent at least ₹100 crore on celebrations alone.

There will also be no biopic with fake storylines for Pat Cummins and how silenced 100,000 Indians as if they were attending a funeral.

This is the difference between a high performance culture that produces winners and a low performance culture that can only produce pretenders by blowing hot air.
 
Mesozoic said:
So you back India to win this series 2-1..

Got it. All of that for absolutely nothing.
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This is why it is humiliating. There is no possible way for India to compensate for the 100/17 in this series. Even winning by 10 wickets or 300+ runs won’t compensate for 100/17 at home with your GOAT Test team.
 
Mamoon said:
I was the one who predicted that India will turn things around after 36. However, things are different this time. Indian cricket’s downfall started in 2023 and they will be reduced to a normal team in the coming years.
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Shows your lack of game know how. If anything the next gen Ind tean will be even better..downfall in 2023 lol?? Rightaway won a WC after that. So is the aus team useless now as it didn't qualify for 24 sf?? What logic? You my friend have totally lost it.
 
Mamoon said:
This is why it is humiliating. There is no possible way for India to compensate for the 100/17 in this series. Even winning by 10 wickets or 300+ runs won’t compensate for 100/17 at home with your GOAT Test team.
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Noone (barring the low IQ internet trolls) cares about these one off low scores if we end up winning the series.

We win still remain the only team in the world who haven't lost a home test series in 12 years. Teams like Pakistan will take a dozen 46 all outs if that meant they keep winning home series...rather than getting clean swept by Bangladesh.
 
Mamoon said:
Pat Cummins returned home from winning the ODI WC in India without any protocol. He was carrying his own bags. Australia don’t even talk about it anymore.

On the other hand, India is a cricket nation that celebrated the T20 WC like no other nation celebrated before them. They spent at least ₹100 crore on celebrations alone.

There will also be no biopic with fake storylines for Pat Cummins and how silenced 100,000 Indians as if they were attending a funeral.

This is the difference between a high performance culture that produces winners and a low performance culture that can only produce pretenders by blowing hot air.
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Have to agree with this post here especially the bolded part. :inti
 
Mamoon said:
Why do Indian batsmen have 0% skill and 0% talent vs the moving ball? It is not like they don’t have exposure to lateral movement.

They have state of the art facilities and GOAT bowlers like Bumrah who move the ball miles so they get ample practice as well.

One would imagine that all other fast bowlers would be a piece of cake for Indian batsmen because they are getting practice vs the GOAT Bumrah.

How can you get out to Matt Henry and O'Rourke when you are facing GOAT Bumrah in the nets? Unbelievable.
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Why did Pakistani batsman get out to Venkatesh Prasad when they had experience against Wasim, Waqar and Akhtar :yk
 
Technics 1210 said:
What did I tell you folks. Name dropping Pakistan in an Indian thread.

No progression until these fickle Indian fans escape Pakistan, mentally.
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Correction. Name dropping Pakistan in an Indian thread on a Pakistani forum that is over obsessed with maligning India.

Long name, I know. Can't help it. Maybe I should call it 'Showing you the mirror', actually

And yes, no progression is possible as long as we Indians are living rent free in your Pakistani minds.
 
Mamoon said:
Why do Indian batsmen have 0% skill and 0% talent vs the moving ball? It is not like they don’t have exposure to lateral movement.

They have state of the art facilities and GOAT bowlers like Bumrah who move the ball miles so they get ample practice as well.

One would imagine that all other fast bowlers would be a piece of cake for Indian batsmen because they are getting practice vs the GOAT Bumrah.

How can you get out to Matt Henry and O'Rourke when you are facing GOAT Bumrah in the nets? Unbelievable.
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Answer is simple... All batsmen (even hard-core domestic batsmen) are knocking the IPL doors (T20 cricket) and to be successful in IPL they should learn to hit hard (score on every ball). For e.g., Sarfaraz guy we know him (we remember him) more for his heroics with RCB team (more than what he has done in domestics) Maybe he is still part of some IPL team... This has spoiled the technique of many Test-Specialist Batsmen (for instance even Kohli has been a failure in test cricket for various demands across various formats and various stages... He is already both mentally & physically drained with his commitments in RCB)

So we fans have to live with this... But at least IPL has improved our mental toughness and also the quality & stamina (+adaptability) of our bowlers is improved now! Even though we are not winning many ICC trophies post-IPL we are at least being dominant at home + extremely competitive overseas (its not like we are getting hammered in South Africa, England, NZ... We are at least competitive and many close games & drawn series). We fans are somehow happy with this, but at the same time we are also angry because with bit of sensible moves we can improve our performance in International Cricket.

Like shielding some players from playing IPL (by paying them some higher amount for not being part of IPL) players like Pant, Rahul, Sarfaraz, Jaiswal, etc, should never be playing IPL... (If so, they will be even more consistent in Test Cricket. Somebody like KL Rahul is the best example of how a really good cricketer can turn out to become a clown!) Also bowlers like Siraj - if they don't play IPL they can improve their mental & physical strength for test cricket... Also even if some of these players don't play IPL it won't affect IPL tournament. We have enough IPL specialists like Rinku, Abhishek Sharma, Tilak Verma, SKY, etc.. The show can run (heck we can even increase foreign players to 5 or 6 per team if needed). But we don't have plan-B for giving financial & cricketing security to test specialists...

But all these is not going to happen and the system is more commercial-centric rather than chasing victories (Australian Cricket Board is different and they would be handling this situation & resources differently!) So we have to live with this below-par performances... But our talent-resources should not be blamed for this...

The issue with handling moving ball is because batsmen have lost their patience in defense (even Pakistani batsman are better in defensive cricket than Indians today! All because of the demands of IPL) Historically Indian Batsmen were actually good in handling moving balls. In 70s & 80s we had success in England & NZ rather than Aus & WI/SA... Also we won world cup in England when conditions in ODI were more bowler-friendly... We also had many bowlers/alrounders who could swing the ball nicely... (like England & NZ today)... All has changed now...
 
gani999 said:
Correction. Name dropping Pakistan in an Indian thread on a Pakistani forum that is over obsessed with maligning India.

Long name, I know. Can't help it.

And yes, no progression is possible as long as we Indians are living rent free in your Pakistani minds.
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We are not living rent-free in their minds, they are living rent-free in ours. We seek out Pakistani opinions.:inti
 
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deltexas said:
You my friend have totally lost it.
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No he hasn't.

There's no fun left in flogging a dead horse i.e Pakistan cricket. 356 v 128, not even making the Asia Cup final, not even bronze at the Asian games cricket , WC loss to Afghanistan, defeat to USA and subsequent exit from WT20 , zero Test series wins at home since 3 years , clean swept by Bangladesh....you name it they've copped it all. Pak fans do not fight him back anymore and have started agreeing with the cliches.

So what's the next significant group to target, go against the flow and get attention on this forum? You guessed it right. It's not that hard to see what it is lol.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
We are not living rent-free in their minds, they are living rent-free in ours. We seek out Pakistani opinions. :inti
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I am here because India is maligned here by Pakistanis (and some of their opinion seeking Indian buddies) everyday, and I would like to provide an alternative viewpoint.

And the very fact that there are so many India bashing posts here proves who is living rent free in whose mind.
 
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Mamoon said:
They don’t happen in your own backyard. I’m struggling to recall any instance where the Australian team of 2000-2006 collapsed in such fashion in Australia, but happy to be proven wrong if you can quote an example.
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GOAT australia lost against india after scoring 556 in 1st test inning at home

Only minnows Pakistan match that achivement by losing to England at home after scoring 556 in 1st innings
 
gani999 said:
Speak for yourself.

I am here because India is maligned here by Pakistanis (and some of their opinion seeking Indian buddies) everyday, and I would like to provide an alternative viewpoint.

And the very fact that there are so many India bashing posts here proves who is living rent free in whose mind.
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Thanks for your efforts but can you please explain the alternative viewpoint to the fact that India produced the worst home batting display of all time. This isn't some Pakistani effort to malign them. The scorecard is Infront of us.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Thanks for your efforts but can you please explain the alternative viewpoint to the fact that India produced the worst home batting display of all time. This isn't some Pakistani effort to malign them. The scorecard is Infront of us.
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This is what some Indian fans expect from you Pakistani fans after a bad performance: :inti

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Devadwal said:
GOAT australia lost against india after scoring 556 in 1st test inning at home

Only minnows Pakistan match that achivement by losing to England at home after scoring 556 in 1st innings
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You are putting up as much of a fight in this debate as the Indian batsmen do against the moving ball.

Losing at home after scoring 500+ is not nearly as humiliating as losing at home after getting shot for 46 on the same pitch where NZ scored 400 in their first innings.

Had India dismissed NZ for less than a 100 as well, they would have been able to protect their dignity by proving that the pitch was extremely difficult to bat on.

Furthermore, Australia didn’t have Warne and McGrath and even Lee. An Australian Test bowling attack without those three in the 2000s doesn’t even resemble an ATG level attack, so there is no need of flaunting that victory. It came against a pacer like Brad Williams who only played 4 Tests and averaged 45.

You can keep searching but you will keep failing. There aren’t any examples of an ATG team getting humiliated at home like India did vs NZ.
 
Tbh I don't India played that badly in this test match barring the first innings which was a meltdown of epic proportions
 
The humiliation is real for Indian fans.

If reading a scorecard is misconstrued as maligning India, then these Indian fans should head over to Indian forums and demand a refund from Modi & BCCI.

This pathetic victimhood insecurity from Indian fans is the reason why they will never progress as a nation.
 
Man losing only 5 test and unbeaten at home series over a decade is humiliation than

Pakistan did won any matches at home more than 3 year so what they called?? Anyone
 
Mamoon said:
I was the one who predicted that India will turn things around after 36. However, things are different this time. Indian cricket’s downfall started in 2023 and they will be reduced to a normal team in the coming years.
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Agreed. This is an ageing outfit. India will be going to Australia for the BGT as massive underdogs.

Also won't be amongst the favourites for white ball tournaments in the near future either.

They weren't in the past either but we're hyped because of a few individuals - Rohit, Kohli, Bumrah.

There were too many mediocrities like Jadeja, SKY(ODIs) , Dhoni(2019) , Jadhav, DK etc. to balance that out.

Now that the big names are in decline , there is no need to expect anything from this team .

We are only above Bangladesh currently in white ball cricket. Everybody else can beat us on their days.
 
Mamoon said:
I was the one who predicted that India will turn things around after 36. However, things are different this time. Indian cricket’s downfall started in 2023 and they will be reduced to a normal team in the coming years.
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Sigh, I have been hearing the same thing since the 1980s. Everyone back then was saying that Indian cricket would be finished after Kapil Dev and Gavaskar retire.
 
gani999 said:
Sigh, I have been hearing the same thing since the 1980s. Everyone back then was saying that Indian cricket would be finished after Kapil Dev and Gavaskar retire.
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But who said that India will be finished? There is a difference between being a finished team and being a normal team.

India will remain a solid team, but this arrogance of calling yourselves the best at the back of little achievement will faze out. GOAT this and that, King this and that, this era is coming to an end.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Agreed. This is an ageing outfit. India will be going to Australia for the BGT as massive underdogs.

Also won't be amongst the favourites for white ball tournaments in the near future either.

They weren't in the past either but we're hyped because of a few individuals - Rohit, Kohli, Bumrah.

There were too many mediocrities like Jadeja, SKY(ODIs) , Dhoni(2019) , Jadhav, DK etc. to balance that out.

Now that the big names are in decline , there is no need to expect anything from this team .

We are only above Bangladesh currently in white ball cricket. Everybody else can beat us on their days.
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LOL at calling them massive underdogs. One Test match loss, and this guy is already downplaying the Indian team before the BGT and upcoming ICC tournaments. It's not the first time he has done this before a big series or tournament either. :kp :inti
 
Mamoon said:
I was the one who predicted that India will turn things around after 36. However, things are different this time. Indian cricket’s downfall started in 2023 and they will be reduced to a normal team in the coming years.
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pleased define whats a "Normal" team ?
 
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Mamoon said:
But who said that India will be finished? There is a difference between being a finished team and being a normal team.

India will remain a solid team, but this arrogance of calling yourselves the best at the back of little achievement will faze out. GOAT this and that, King this and that, this era is coming to an end.
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Look, I don't think I ever called India best or greatest whatever.
But you are right that others, particularly some non Indians, have done so. Let me remind you.

https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/threads/the-greatest-asian-test-team-of-all-time.298659/

So please make up your mind.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
LOL at calling them massive underdogs. One Test match loss, and this guy is already downplaying the Indian team before the BGT and upcoming ICC tournaments. It's not the first time he has done this before a big series or tournament either. :kp :inti
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A Test loss at home to NZ in 36 years deserves that. It's a low that India has never had. As usual you come up with a rebuttal that has no substance. How surprising
 
Oh man lost to NZ at home.

Next time before talking about our cricket, first fix your own

46 all out
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
LOL at calling them massive underdogs. One Test match loss, and this guy is already downplaying the Indian team before the BGT and upcoming ICC tournaments. It's not the first time he has done this before a big series or tournament either. :kp :inti
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Nikhil the Fickle is an appropriate name for him..
 
Absolutely humiliating.

Cricket is a great leveller. One match previously they beat test minnow BD in two days and their fans acted like as they are prime Aus of 2003-2007. Then in the very next test series match v NZ, New Zealand bowled them out for 46 in the first innings at home. even BD never got bowled out for less than 100runs at home by a SENA nation ever, let alone for less than 50.
 
Mamoon said:
GOAT Asian Test team collapsing to 100/17 at home. This humiliation will not be forgotten.
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So start a new thread on this particular aspect/tattoo this/paint your home walls with this/have this on loop - screensaver on your mobile / laptop ...
 
Major said:
Oh man lost to NZ at home.

Next time before talking about our cricket, first fix your own

46 all out
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0-20...
Consecutive...
Stuff of legends...
Don't think any cricket playing nation has this absolute gong for a record
And U guys go on as if you were the purveyors, originators & had a copyright on 'phaast' bowling ....
Even Zim sleeps easy not having that albatross round their neck...
 
CrIc_Mystique said:
Dude, knew you'd be all over this thread - it right up your alley.
Forget 'agree with bolded part ' Ur types will agree with anything -ve on offer that makes ur day/floats yr boat/flicks ur switch....
How was June2024 ....Aaya swad? 😃💪
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Dudette, I knew you would be the first to lose it over my posts. If some light-hearted memes had you crying and banging your head against the wall, then this one is really gonna set you off. :inti
 
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TheSultan said:
One thing gotta say, Mamoon is doing a sterling job, I don’t feel the need to post here, he’s covered all angles.
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@Mamoon isn't just covering all the angles. He has actually spun a web around some fans here and this web took nearly a decade to weave. Now, these fans find themselves trapped and unsure of how to react. These fans are actually digging his old posts to prove their point now. Funny stuff. 😆 :inti
 
Mas-LFC said:
Absolutely humiliating.

Cricket is a great leveller. One match previously they beat test minnow BD in two days and their fans acted like as they are prime Aus of 2003-2007. Then in the very next test series match v NZ, New Zealand bowled them out for 46 in the first innings at home. even BD never got bowled out for less than 100runs at home by a SENA nation ever, let alone for less than 50.
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Humiliating or not, no onr acted like this was prime Australia side especially for beating Bangladesh alone :ROFLMAO:

Average Indian sides will continue to thrash Bangladesh into oblivion
 
Mamoon said:
Pat Cummins returned home from winning the ODI WC in India without any protocol. He was carrying his own bags. Australia don’t even talk about it anymore.

On the other hand, India is a cricket nation that celebrated t
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Technics 1210 said:
The humiliation is real for Indian fans.

If reading a scorecard is misconstrued as maligning India, then these Indian fans should head over to Indian forums and demand a refund from Modi & BCCI.

This pathetic victimhood insecurity from Indian fans is the reason why they will never progress as a nation.
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Yawn.... 🥱

Getting really tiring guys,

I mean, put some effort people.

Be original, this is straight from Pak trolls 101 template.

Atleast revise the template...
 
Mamoon said:
I don’t think so. I expect India to produce extreme turners to protect themselves from further embarrassment.

However, as I mentioned in the other thread, these are the signs of a faltering unit. The World Cup final, the humiliation in Sri Lanka, the 100/17 at home. The first time India have lost two Tests at home in the same year since 2012.

Indian cricket is going back to the 2000s level and Gambhir is not the right man to arrest that decline and keep up the momentum that India developed under Shastri in particular.

You always have to look and see what India achieved during their era of dominance. Very little.

Indian fans should look back with a lot of regret because nothing stopped them from winning at least two ODI WCs, a WTC and a series win in ENG/NZ/SA except for their own lack of talent and application.
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first of all. faltering unit ? we r no.1 on current wtc table , top1 /2 in all rankings ... and players like Sarfaraz k , Jurel are waiting for their chances so i don't know what kind of diet ur on to write such delulu stuff

talking of talent last i read , the bottom ranked team in wtc had to resort to playing a 30 year plus and 38 year washed up spinner on akhada pitch to make sure they dont lose another test match after scoring 550.


u dont even have steady openers since saeed anwar , imran nazir left. so tell me which team is actually bankrupt also on talent ?

agreed 46 was shameful...but a team that scores 462 after 46 is no way faltering. instead of blind indian hate , why dont u guys do something constructive for a change
 
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Mesozoic said:
No he hasn't.

There's no fun left in flogging a dead horse i.e Pakistan cricket. 356 v 128, not even making the Asia Cup final, not even bronze at the Asian games cricket , WC loss to Afghanistan, defeat to USA and subsequent exit from WT20 , zero Test series wins at home since 3 years , clean swept by Bangladesh....you name it they've copped it all. Pak fans do not fight him back anymore and have started agreeing with the cliches.

So what's the next significant group to target, go against the flow and get attention on this forum? You guessed it right. It's not that hard to see what it is lol.
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I suppose even Pakistani fans don’t remember as much about Pakistan as you, my fellow Indian, do. It seems that not just Pakistan, but their sports statistics are living rent-free in the minds of some of our fans. And yet, people like you claim they don’t care about Pakistan. 🤣 :inti
 
Let's hope the blatant pitch tampering going on in Pindi gets a result for Pakistan .

If they still managed to lose that despite the historic levels of tampering going on, no humiliation can ever supersede that
 
If we go onto lose this test match as well and the series as a result, that will be humiliating indeed.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
It's already humiliating.

If you lose the series words won't be able to describe it.
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How is losing 1 test when NZ last won a test match in India in 1988 is humiliating? It is an abberation

It will be humiliating only if we go onto lose the series. Then again Pak fans can't rejoice as they are losing home series after home series.
 
It becomes humiliating because of the utter dominance they possessed till this point! For some other team it is a routine to lose against all teams including Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, Ireland, USA, etc. So no one bothers, but yes it becomes a serious issue if India loses at home, everyone's attention will be drawn...
 
Rajdeep said:
How is losing 1 test when NZ last won a test match in India in 1988 is humiliating? It is an abberation

It will be humiliating only if we go onto lose the series. Then again Pak fans can't rejoice as they are losing home series after home series.
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Popped out for 46 at home is a big humiliation
 
Rajdeep said:
How is losing 1 test when NZ last won a test match in India in 1988 is humiliating? It is an abberation

It will be humiliating only if we go onto lose the series. Then again Pak fans can't rejoice as they are losing home series after home series.
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Pakistani posters are overreacting for the sake of overreacting, don't let it get to you.

It isn't a humilation in the sense that India shpuld be ashamed. They lost to NZ which is a professional team. They didn't lose to USA lol.

However it is an eye opener for Indian fans who got way to ahead of themselves.

I told everyone that their carrying dead baggage and that Bumrah’s golden stride would eventually end.

You guys need to stop overhyping and BCCI needs to start getting rid of dead weight.

Taking ashwin and jadeja to Australia is suicide, so is rohit and kohli. And playing Bumrah in all games means you're very very quickly headed to an early bumrah retirement. You don't want that for the best bowler you guys have ever produced.
 
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