What's new

Andrew Tate and brother Tristan to be tried in Romania on rape and trafficking charges [Update on post #1294]

Mamoon said:
Of course he is, conmen and crooks are very captivating and charismatic, which is why they are able to exert influence.
Click to expand...

Well let's look at this point of view. Would you say Modi is a conmnan because he has influenced vast populations across the globe because he appealed to their incel fears of love jihad?
 
If Tate was around a couple of thousand of years ago he may well have started his own religion that might have had adherents living today.
 
Abel Reames said:
If Tate was around a couple of thousand of years ago he may well have started his own religion that might have had adherents living today.
Click to expand...

Similar to the Sikh reliigon perhaps?That never really took off outside of India for some reason, but they are still manifest around the world.
 
SalimBhai said:
Uncle Tate indicted on rape and human trafficking charges.
Click to expand...

Don't just add one liner without any proof/links

We dont have time to do this for you.

I will add for now.

==

Controversial influencer Andrew Tate has been charged in Romania with rape, human trafficking and forming an organised crime group to sexually exploit women.

His brother Tristan and two associates also face charges. All have denied the allegations.

The Tate brothers were first arrested at their Bucharest home in December.

In March, they were moved from custody to house arrest following a ruling by a Romanian judge.

The indictment deposited with the Bucharest court says that the four defendants formed an organised criminal group in 2021 to commit human trafficking in Romania, but also in other countries including the US and the UK.

It names seven alleged victims who it says were recruited by the Tate brothers through false promises of love and marriage.

The alleged victims were later taken to buildings in Ilfov county in Romania where they were intimidated, placed under constant surveillance and control and forced into debt, according to a statement from Romanian prosecutors.

The defendants allegedly then forced the women to take part in pornography which was later shared on social media.

One defendant is accused of raping a woman twice in March 2022, the statement adds.

The trial will not start immediately and is expected to take several years.

A Romanian judge now has 60 days to inspect the case files before it can be sent to trial.

The media team for the Tate brothers said: "While this news is undoubtedly predictable, we embrace the opportunity it presents to demonstrate their innocence and vindicate their reputation."

It added that the indictment "allows us to present a comprehensive body of evidence, diligently collected and prepared over time, which will undoubtedly substantiate the brothers' claims of innocence".

There are also separate charges still under investigation which could lead to a separate indictment, including money laundering and trafficking of minors.

In 2016, Andrew Tate, a British-American former kickboxer, was removed from British TV show Big Brother over a video which appeared to show him attacking a woman.

He went on to gain notoriety online, with Twitter banning him for saying women should "bear some responsibility" for being sexually assaulted. He has since been reinstated.

Despite social media bans, he gained popularity, particularly among young men, by promoting what he presented as a hyper-masculine, ultra-luxurious lifestyle.

BBC
 
The only reason we have this long thread of people defending him is only because he fooled everyone into believing that he accepted Islam.
 
This should be a good trial.

Of course after so many months and criticism they had to charge him with something.

Imo he will walk soon enough, the courts will blame some sort of legal issue to save face.

Tate has already won as he is double or more popular than before.
 
Making him popular does not excuse his actions. There is a sucker born every minute and he has fooled many such people , proof this message board. Let’s see what the trial brings. The ones who were doubting that he will even be charged and now doubting that he will guilty. As I said a sucker born every minute
 
KingKhanWC said:
This should be a good trial.

Of course after so many months and criticism they had to charge him with something.

Imo he will walk soon enough, the courts will blame some sort of legal issue to save face.

Tate has already won as he is double or more popular than before.
Click to expand...

The most hilarious aspect of this all is after 6 months of an investigation, and his haters talking about incriminating evidence on YouTube etc, past investigations blah blah, yet the Tate brothers have been charged with alleged crimes that took place in 2021-2022, basically last year.

It is the very definition of scraping the bottom of the barrel.
 
KingKhanWC said:
This should be a good trial.

Of course after so many months and criticism they had to charge him with something.

Imo he will walk soon enough, the courts will blame some sort of legal issue to save face.

Tate has already won as he is double or more popular than before.
Click to expand...

He's a marked man in my opinion. He's made fools of the establishment in the UK, he's made fools of the supposed idea of free speech, and all the while doing it, he's become one of the most influential speakers on the planet. From being virtually unknown a year ago, he's exploded onto all forms of media, destroying all and sundry in one to one debates.

Not sure about him walking free any time soon, I think we might see a Julian Assange situation developing here. The Matrix (for want of a better word) does not like to be exposed or humiliated.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
He's a marked man in my opinion. He's made fools of the establishment in the UK, he's made fools of the supposed idea of free speech, and all the while doing it, he's become one of the most influential speakers on the planet. From being virtually unknown a year ago, he's exploded onto all forms of media, destroying all and sundry in one to one debates.

Not sure about him walking free any time soon, I think we might see a Julian Assange situation developing here. The Matrix (for want of a better word) does not like to be exposed or humiliated.
Click to expand...

Or just don’t rape women and not be in this situation
 
I dont know this guy at all, but his views on women sound pretty bad. Very much against the teachings of Islam.
 
Stewie said:
I dont know this guy at all, but his views on women sound pretty bad. Very much against the teachings of Islam.
Click to expand...

What are his views on women to be precise? I've only really seen his videos about finances, and criticising liberals. The only few clips I can recall of him saying anything related to women is where he says "high value" men should be allowed to cheat, and he wishes his girlfriends would be like robots, and then him shaming promiscuous women.
 
SalimBhai said:
Are there videos of assange bragging about having sex with minors or pimping women?
Click to expand...

Did you actually watch Tate's BBC interview? The interviewer tried to push that angle and got absolutely destroyed on camera to such an extent that his critics ended up either completely changing their minds about Tate or were so enraged that their only argument after that was that Tate should never have been given a stage to destroy the myths. There's your libertarian version of free speech for you. And I'm someone who still considers myself a libertarian.
 
CadPakFan said:
What are his views on women to be precise? I've only really seen his videos about finances, and criticising liberals. The only few clips I can recall of him saying anything related to women is where he says "high value" men should be allowed to cheat, and he wishes his girlfriends would be like robots, and then him shaming promiscuous women.
Click to expand...

You just have to read the post number 1. Like I said i dont know this guy so just going by what i am reading here.

"" One of his most popular views: women, as he puts it, should “shut the f**k up, have kids, sit at home, be quiet and make coffee.” ""
Also
"What he objects to, are women having choices given to them by liberalism because, “women are actually happy serving men, they’re far happier with that than working some career,” he says."

He is a self admitted misogynist. None of that aligns with the status of females in Islam and how they should be treated.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Did you actually watch Tate's BBC interview? The interviewer tried to push that angle and got absolutely destroyed on camera to such an extent that his critics ended up either completely changing their minds about Tate or were so enraged that their only argument after that was that Tate should never have been given a stage to destroy the myths. There's your libertarian version of free speech for you. And I'm someone who still considers myself a libertarian.
Click to expand...

Have you seen the videos where he i ragging about having sex with under age girls or pimping women ?
 
SalimBhai said:
Have you seen the videos where he i ragging about having sex with under age girls or pimping women ?
Click to expand...

Have you? I'm talking about the whole video, not selected excerpts which have been taken out of context, because this is what the BBC interviewer tried to focus on and she got humiliated when he probed her on this.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Have you? I'm talking about the whole video, not selected excerpts which have been taken out of context, because this is what the BBC interviewer tried to focus on and she got humiliated when he probed her on this.
Click to expand...

He may have had a recent change in demeanor because some his statements i quote in my last post are straight up against the teachings of Islam.

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day, so you may have heard him at his best in some program but overall his views are not good representative of how a Muslim treats women.
 
For what it's worth, assuming no one here has actually sat through the podcasts these quotes have been taken from, he said they were taken completely out of context, and the tone of the quotes was satirical or sarcastic. I guess only someone who has actually consumed his stuff from a few years ago would be able to confirm or deny.

All I know is that the BBC interviewer tried to pin him on this and she got absolutely destroyed, so much that even the haters were furious that the BBC had given him the stage to demolish their arguments.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
For what it's worth, assuming no one here has actually sat through the podcasts these quotes have been taken from, he said they were taken completely out of context, and the tone of the quotes was satirical or sarcastic. I guess only someone who has actually consumed his stuff from a few years ago would be able to confirm or deny.

All I know is that the BBC interviewer tried to pin him on this and she got absolutely destroyed, so much that even the haters were furious that the BBC had given him the stage to demolish their arguments.
Click to expand...

I am not saying i dont believe you, but he has stated in the past he is a misogynist. He admits to it. Or is that sarcasm too?
 
Stewie said:
I am not saying i dont believe you, but he has stated in the past he is a misogynist. He admits to it. Or is that sarcasm too?
Click to expand...

Yes he has stated in the past when he was an atheist he made several remarks which he now wouldn't make. He has also said that even those were taken out of context and most were sarcastic or jokes. What you believe is up to you, having watched his interview with the BBC reporter, I'm inclined to believe him. Certainly I would be wary of casting doubt on someone's word unless I had concrete evidence he was lying.
 
One has to admit that it is pretty hilarious that he’s been to jail and is under house arrest in Romania for the same crimes he sought to avoid being arrested for when he moved to Romania in the first place. :))
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Yes he has stated in the past when he was an atheist he made several remarks which he now wouldn't make. He has also said that even those were taken out of context and most were sarcastic or jokes. What you believe is up to you, having watched his interview with the BBC reporter, I'm inclined to believe him. Certainly I would be wary of casting doubt on someone's word unless I had concrete evidence he was lying.
Click to expand...

Well, I won’t sit here and argue because I really don’t know much about him.

But I would like to share an observation I have made particular to a lot of people who bash the “establishment”. With a majority of the young Pakistanis (living in Pakistan or UK and even US) it’s all about making the establishment the boogie man for all the worlds problems. Covid… made by establishment. Vaccines… another conspiracy by establishment. The liberals are the enemy and somehow make up a huge part of the “establishment”.


It’s the same concept I gather with what this guy is talking about when he refers to “the matrix”.

Basically anything that goes against your view can be labeled as the enemy or “the establishment” and therefore it’s easy to bash. For self proclaimed conservatives, of course it has to be the liberals.any cause they advocate must have some nefarious agenda so let’s oppose it. Covid must have been man made. The vaccines must have some sinister ulterior purpose. The LGBTQ agenda is aimed at turning Muslim children gay or transgender, etc.

Similarly for liberals, conservatives are the matrix. They want to shove their antiquated established thinking down our throats. The establishment is run by old white guys who are misogynists and racists…. Blah blah blah.


My point is…. We like to turn every difference of opinion or viewpoint we have into a massive organized conspiracy aimed at subjugating people who have similar POVs as us. Lately the melodrama has reached feverish proportions. This is not healthy, smart or even justified in a lot of cases. The world is not operating on liberal or conservative agendas. For a young Muslim male, this is an even more important concept to understand. The world does not revolve around you per se and expending all its energy in some massive conspiracy to subjugate you, crush you and your ideas, your race, your faith.. etc.

The world is all about $$$. Nations act on self interests, not morality or ethics. Money is what brings power and this day and age is all about leveraging your policies to gain more of it. It’s not ideological at all. Ideology is used as an excuse to get more money and hence more power. I think if most of us understand this basic point, 90% of stupid arguments on this forum will disappear.

So in my view the only establishment that exists out there is the elite that already holds that power (money) and is attempting to hold on to it and not relinquish its control. They use all sorts of tactics to divide us, be it race, religion, difference of right wing and left wing ideas, etc. it’s all nothing but a facade, an excuse to keep the masses fighting each other.


I guess I’ll stop my rant, don’t know if any of you agree with it at all. But that’s what I think. This dude is out there trying to get his bit of fame and power and money by identifying a group of people who will listen to him by talking about some non existent matrix, which can be anything you want it to be as long as he is asserting it exists.

It’s demagoguery at best. Or “Trumpism” in other words.
 
Stewie said:
Well, I won’t sit here and argue because I really don’t know much about him.

But I would like to share an observation I have made particular to a lot of people who bash the “establishment”. With a majority of the young Pakistanis (living in Pakistan or UK and even US) it’s all about making the establishment the boogie man for all the worlds problems. Covid… made by establishment. Vaccines… another conspiracy by establishment. The liberals are the enemy and somehow make up a huge part of the “establishment”.


It’s the same concept I gather with what this guy is talking about when he refers to “the matrix”.

Basically anything that goes against your view can be labeled as the enemy or “the establishment” and therefore it’s easy to bash. For self proclaimed conservatives, of course it has to be the liberals.any cause they advocate must have some nefarious agenda so let’s oppose it. Covid must have been man made. The vaccines must have some sinister ulterior purpose. The LGBTQ agenda is aimed at turning Muslim children gay or transgender, etc.

Similarly for liberals, conservatives are the matrix. They want to shove their antiquated established thinking down our throats. The establishment is run by old white guys who are misogynists and racists…. Blah blah blah.


My point is…. We like to turn every difference of opinion or viewpoint we have into a massive organized conspiracy aimed at subjugating people who have similar POVs as us. Lately the melodrama has reached feverish proportions. This is not healthy, smart or even justified in a lot of cases. The world is not operating on liberal or conservative agendas. For a young Muslim male, this is an even more important concept to understand. The world does not revolve around you per se and expending all its energy in some massive conspiracy to subjugate you, crush you and your ideas, your race, your faith.. etc.

The world is all about $$$. Nations act on self interests, not morality or ethics. Money is what brings power and this day and age is all about leveraging your policies to gain more of it. It’s not ideological at all. Ideology is used as an excuse to get more money and hence more power. I think if most of us understand this basic point, 90% of stupid arguments on this forum will disappear.

So in my view the only establishment that exists out there is the elite that already holds that power (money) and is attempting to hold on to it and not relinquish its control. They use all sorts of tactics to divide us, be it race, religion, difference of right wing and left wing ideas, etc. it’s all nothing but a facade, an excuse to keep the masses fighting each other.


I guess I’ll stop my rant, don’t know if any of you agree with it at all. But that’s what I think. This dude is out there trying to get his bit of fame and power and money by identifying a group of people who will listen to him by talking about some non existent matrix, which can be anything you want it to be as long as he is asserting it exists.

It’s demagoguery at best. Or “Trumpism” in other words.
Click to expand...

As a general rant, I don't disagree with much of it. But doesn't change the fact that they went after Julian Assangehard, to the extent every country was pressured into giving him up otherwise there would be dire consequences. You don't need to call it a conspiracy theory to see that your establishment bigwigs don't like their machinations being exposed. Otherwise they could have just ignored it right?
 
Stewie said:
I dont know this guy at all, but his views on women sound pretty bad. Very much against the teachings of Islam.
Click to expand...

Anyone who purports to be a supporter of Andrew Tate needs to consider how thrilled they'd be if their mum or sister were married to a man like him or Tristan.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
As a general rant, I don't disagree with much of it. But doesn't change the fact that they went after Julian Assangehard, to the extent every country was pressured into giving him up otherwise there would be dire consequences. You don't need to call it a conspiracy theory to see that your establishment bigwigs don't like their machinations being exposed. Otherwise they could have just ignored it right?
Click to expand...

Care to elaborate?

By that if you mean the US government, I would agree with you. I thought that was what I had just said. Its all about national interests and nations/people holding on to or growing their power through money. Thats what capitalism is and thats what USA is and thats what every country and person in the world, tied to US or not, tied to capitalism or not is trying to do.

Assange was actually doing the same thing. He was making money by airing the dirty laundry to powerful people and for that he suffered. I dont know if you noticed this or not, we all say the same things yet somehow we tend to argue pointlessly. I am agreeing with you but I differ with you when you try to paint "the establishment" as anything that tends to opose your view point. AND you also tend to lump them all together.

To me establishment is anyone and anything that wishes to hold on to their power and money and they dont target me specifically, they target anyone that can take that power away from them. Thats all.
 
Ahmad-GERMANFC said:
One has to admit that it is pretty hilarious that he’s been to jail and is under house arrest in Romania for the same crimes he sought to avoid being arrested for when he moved to Romania in the first place. :))
Click to expand...

The irony escapes some of his supporters here
 
Stewie said:
Care to elaborate?

By that if you mean the US government, I would agree with you. I thought that was what I had just said. Its all about national interests and nations/people holding on to or growing their power through money. Thats what capitalism is and thats what USA is and thats what every country and person in the world, tied to US or not, tied to capitalism or not is trying to do.

Assange was actually doing the same thing. He was making money by airing the dirty laundry to powerful people and for that he suffered. I dont know if you noticed this or not, we all say the same things yet somehow we tend to argue pointlessly. I am agreeing with you but I differ with you when you try to paint "the establishment" as anything that tends to opose your view point. AND you also tend to lump them all together.

To me establishment is anyone and anything that wishes to hold on to their power and money and they dont target me specifically, they target anyone that can take that power away from them. Thats all.
Click to expand...

When I say "your establishment bigwigs" it's a general term, not meaning yours as in you as an American. It's the way we phrase things over here, like the Irish will say "here we have your man Paddy Maloney".

I am not arguing here with you, I agree this is how capitalism works. But we still need whistleblowers, otherwise we end with regimes like in Pakistan. Or in India for that matter, where the history books are being rewritten, and whole states are under guard of half a milion soldiers with no media access. I am using these two as examples, we could just as easily be talking about China or Burma. Reducing everything to a conspiracy is an easy way to whitewash genuine criticism.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
When I say "your establishment bigwigs" it's a general term, not meaning yours as in you as an American. It's the way we phrase things over here, like the Irish will say "here we have your man Paddy Maloney".

I am not arguing here with you, I agree this is how capitalism works. But we still need whistleblowers, otherwise we end with regimes like in Pakistan. Or in India for that matter, where the history books are being rewritten, and whole states are under guard of half a milion soldiers with no media access. I am using these two as examples, we could just as easily be talking about China or Burma. Reducing everything to a conspiracy is an easy way to whitewash genuine criticism.
Click to expand...

I think thats what WE are guilty of and when I saw WE, i actually mean most pakistanis. We hav a tendency of viewing everything from that angle. We believe its the entire world against us or muslims at times.

What we "need" and what is "acutally going on" are two different things. We need whitleblowers but people like Assange, Snowden, etc have their own agendas too. So they might seem to be fightin "the establishment" but to me its a fight to "join the establishment".

Anyhow I think I have derailed this thread enough. More on the topic, its very dangerous to put guys like this dude right here on the pedestal out of some misguided notion or ill feelings towards "the establishment" as we have been calling it.
 
Stewie said:
I think thats what WE are guilty of and when I saw WE, i actually mean most pakistanis. We hav a tendency of viewing everything from that angle. We believe its the entire world against us or muslims at times.

What we "need" and what is "acutally going on" are two different things. We need whitleblowers but people like Assange, Snowden, etc have their own agendas too. So they might seem to be fightin "the establishment" but to me its a fight to "join the establishment".

Anyhow I think I have derailed this thread enough. More on the topic, its very dangerous to put guys like this dude right here on the pedestal out of some misguided notion or ill feelings towards "the establishment" as we have been calling it.
Click to expand...

So how are WE different to anyone else? Are you one of those who believe victim/conspiracy theory is somehow a Pakistani/Muslim trait only? Do you then believe Hindus who live in Pakistan are playing the victim card when they are shafted using blaphemy laws in Pakistan by capitalist landlords?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
So how are WE different to anyone else? Are you one of those who believe victim/conspiracy theory is somehow a Pakistani/Muslim trait only? Do you then believe Hindus who live in Pakistan are playing the victim card when they are shafted using blaphemy laws in Pakistan by capitalist landlords?
Click to expand...

I am not going to speculate about others, my people are what concerns me because .. well… they are my people!

And yes I am one of “those” who think this is a very Pakistani trait.. I don’t think this is a widespread “Muslim” thing. But it’s definitely very prevalent in our people and I could honestly write books as to why this is a very very Pakistani trait.
We are not that old as a nation and I would say since the 60s/70s, when the elitist in Pakistan started figuring out how to wrangle control of the country, the easiest and best way for them to do so was to make the people believe they were facing dire threats from the rest of the world, particularly India (which is true in some ways except perhaps the severity), the Jews and Israel (which is a straight up lie), America and the west (which is also debatable).

Our military establishment in particular has peddled those lies to us so much along with propaganda about various conspiracies that we have grown numb to our situation. Nothing seems to phase us anymore because “Jo Kara raha hai umreeka/Israel Kara raha hai” and they are all out to get us. They seem to easily hurt us while we hold zero ownership of what’s going on with us.

Another very common perception used to be that if it was not for our military, our corrupt leaders would have sold us to India, Israel etc years ago and our brave military is the only thing that’s keeping us afloat.

Funny thing is I was one of those people who believed that crap for years. Now I am old enough and have seen enough, especially with what happened to IK and it was a moment of epiphany of sorts. I realize the truth. Our military establishment and the elites are the ones who have brainwashed us into believing certain things and conditioned us mentally to think every bad situation we face is a result of a conspiracy against us and we cannot do anything about it. We have given up the idea that we are masters of our own fate. They want us to be a people of inaction so their rule remains unchallenged.

Most nations who want their situation to change bring it about themselves. True change always comes from within. You cannot wait for someone to do it for you. Look at where we are. Our politics is a joke. The Constitution is flouted, they are supposed to hold elections in 90 days after IK forced the dissolution of the assemblies. The court even ruled as such. But nothing is being done about it. Our institutions, courts, military, politicians, the election commission, you name it… are all corrupt and the dirtiest, the sleaziest slime bags you could find on the face of this planet, and yet our people are so sedate and have accepted them and nobody is batting an eye lash. Some of them tried but we all know what happened to them.

We have become a toothless nation, we love to blame others but exhibit total inaction. We know very well now who or what the real problem is within our country, but we are resigned to them lording over us.

Now compare our situation to say Turkey, Iran, other nations that were rock bottom but the people somehow found a way to rise up, can you really believe we are capable of it?
I think a vast majority of us are content bashing the liberal west and the rest, the conservative mullas and the right…. and all the conspiracy theories attached to the various schools of thought to really do anything meaningful.
 
Stewie said:
I am not going to speculate about others, my people are what concerns me because .. well… they are my people!

And yes I am one of “those” who think this is a very Pakistani trait.. I don’t think this is a widespread “Muslim” thing. But it’s definitely very prevalent in our people and I could honestly write books as to why this is a very very Pakistani trait.
We are not that old as a nation and I would say since the 60s/70s, when the elitist in Pakistan started figuring out how to wrangle control of the country, the easiest and best way for them to do so was to make the people believe they were facing dire threats from the rest of the world, particularly India (which is true in some ways except perhaps the severity), the Jews and Israel (which is a straight up lie), America and the west (which is also debatable).

Our military establishment in particular has peddled those lies to us so much along with propaganda about various conspiracies that we have grown numb to our situation. Nothing seems to phase us anymore because “Jo Kara raha hai umreeka/Israel Kara raha hai” and they are all out to get us. They seem to easily hurt us while we hold zero ownership of what’s going on with us.

Another very common perception used to be that if it was not for our military, our corrupt leaders would have sold us to India, Israel etc years ago and our brave military is the only thing that’s keeping us afloat.

Funny thing is I was one of those people who believed that crap for years. Now I am old enough and have seen enough, especially with what happened to IK and it was a moment of epiphany of sorts. I realize the truth. Our military establishment and the elites are the ones who have brainwashed us into believing certain things and conditioned us mentally to think every bad situation we face is a result of a conspiracy against us and we cannot do anything about it. We have given up the idea that we are masters of our own fate. They want us to be a people of inaction so their rule remains unchallenged.

Most nations who want their situation to change bring it about themselves. True change always comes from within. You cannot wait for someone to do it for you. Look at where we are. Our politics is a joke. The Constitution is flouted, they are supposed to hold elections in 90 days after IK forced the dissolution of the assemblies. The court even ruled as such. But nothing is being done about it. Our institutions, courts, military, politicians, the election commission, you name it… are all corrupt and the dirtiest, the sleaziest slime bags you could find on the face of this planet, and yet our people are so sedate and have accepted them and nobody is batting an eye lash. Some of them tried but we all know what happened to them.

We have become a toothless nation, we love to blame others but exhibit total inaction. We know very well now who or what the real problem is within our country, but we are resigned to them lording over us.

Now compare our situation to say Turkey, Iran, other nations that were rock bottom but the people somehow found a way to rise up, can you really believe we are capable of it?
I think a vast majority of us are content bashing the liberal west and the rest, the conservative mullas and the right…. and all the conspiracy theories attached to the various schools of thought to really do anything meaningful.
Click to expand...

Excellent points here bhai.
 
Stewie said:
I am not going to speculate about others, my people are what concerns me because .. well… they are my people!

And yes I am one of “those” who think this is a very Pakistani trait.. I don’t think this is a widespread “Muslim” thing. But it’s definitely very prevalent in our people and I could honestly write books as to why this is a very very Pakistani trait.
We are not that old as a nation and I would say since the 60s/70s, when the elitist in Pakistan started figuring out how to wrangle control of the country, the easiest and best way for them to do so was to make the people believe they were facing dire threats from the rest of the world, particularly India (which is true in some ways except perhaps the severity), the Jews and Israel (which is a straight up lie), America and the west (which is also debatable).

Our military establishment in particular has peddled those lies to us so much along with propaganda about various conspiracies that we have grown numb to our situation. Nothing seems to phase us anymore because “Jo Kara raha hai umreeka/Israel Kara raha hai” and they are all out to get us. They seem to easily hurt us while we hold zero ownership of what’s going on with us.

Another very common perception used to be that if it was not for our military, our corrupt leaders would have sold us to India, Israel etc years ago and our brave military is the only thing that’s keeping us afloat.

Funny thing is I was one of those people who believed that crap for years. Now I am old enough and have seen enough, especially with what happened to IK and it was a moment of epiphany of sorts. I realize the truth. Our military establishment and the elites are the ones who have brainwashed us into believing certain things and conditioned us mentally to think every bad situation we face is a result of a conspiracy against us and we cannot do anything about it. We have given up the idea that we are masters of our own fate. They want us to be a people of inaction so their rule remains unchallenged.

Most nations who want their situation to change bring it about themselves. True change always comes from within. You cannot wait for someone to do it for you. Look at where we are. Our politics is a joke. The Constitution is flouted, they are supposed to hold elections in 90 days after IK forced the dissolution of the assemblies. The court even ruled as such. But nothing is being done about it. Our institutions, courts, military, politicians, the election commission, you name it… are all corrupt and the dirtiest, the sleaziest slime bags you could find on the face of this planet, and yet our people are so sedate and have accepted them and nobody is batting an eye lash. Some of them tried but we all know what happened to them.

We have become a toothless nation, we love to blame others but exhibit total inaction. We know very well now who or what the real problem is within our country, but we are resigned to them lording over us.

Now compare our situation to say Turkey, Iran, other nations that were rock bottom but the people somehow found a way to rise up, can you really believe we are capable of it?
I think a vast majority of us are content bashing the liberal west and the rest, the conservative mullas and the right…. and all the conspiracy theories attached to the various schools of thought to really do anything meaningful.
Click to expand...

Ok, you don't need to write a book, let's just explore in this thread what is actually a Pakistani trait. Is it conspiracy theories?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
So what is a Pakistani trait? Undersganding of course that you do need to separate it from the rest of human society to make this a valid claim.
Click to expand...

Says who?
I can see this will devolve into another non topic discussion. Feel free to open a separate thread on it.

I have already stated I do not know much about this guy, but from what I have read and heard, he is a misogynist. Some of the things he said, if you think someone will say those about your sister or daughter even in a sarcastic manner, you won’t find them acceptable at all. He is a criminal, plus he admits he is a misogynist.
 
Stewie said:
Says who?
I can see this will devolve into another non topic discussion. Feel free to open a separate thread on it.

I have already stated I do not know much about this guy, but from what I have read and heard, he is a misogynist. Some of the things he said, if you think someone will say those about your sister or daughter even in a sarcastic manner, you won’t find them acceptable at all. He is a criminal, plus he admits he is a misogynist.
Click to expand...

Hr said those things as an atheist. If you don't know the guy, why are you contributing so much opinion about him?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Hr said those things as an atheist. If you don't know the guy, why are you contributing so much opinion about him?
Click to expand...

Because it’s free, and as they say nothing goes from your father or my father… so what’s the big deal? Haha

In all honesty, I have a sister and I have a daughter. I hate women being referred to in this fashion. If he has mended his ways, good for him. The other reason I contributed here is the underlying pattern I already referred to, one that I would not like to continue discussing further here. Said plenty on it already.
 

'I've done nothing wrong': Andrew Tate wins appeal to be released from house arrest pending trial​

Click to expand...

news.sky.com

'I've done nothing wrong': Andrew Tate wins appeal to be released from house arrest pending trial

Tate, 36, was indicted in June along with his brother Tristan and two Romanian female suspects over alleged human trafficking, rape and forming a criminal gang to sexually exploit women.
news.sky.com news.sky.com

The judge claimed the file against him was 'weak' and 'circumstantial'.

Im not sure this will even go to trail now.

Andrew Tate and his brother have beat the Matrix...for now. :)
 
Controversial influencer Andrew Tate has been freed from house arrest in Romania pending his trial on rape and human trafficking charges.

Andrew and his brother Tristan were arrested in March and charged in June. They deny the charges.

The pair can move freely around the capital, Bucharest, and the surrounding Ilfov district where they live.

They must report to police when ordered to, and inform them of any change of address.

They are also banned from contacting the two Romanian associates accused alongside them, the witnesses, or the alleged victims or their families.

Breaking these rules could lead to them returning to house arrest, or preventative detention.

A judge will check compliance with the conditions for the next 60 days.

"We would like to extend our sincere gratitude to the Romanian judicial system for their fair consideration," a spokesperson for the brothers said in a statement after the ruling.

"This positive outcome gives us confidence that more favourable developments are on the horizon."

Tate, a Muslim convert, also tweeted in response to the ruling, condemning charges that were "based on nothing" and which a judge had deemed "weak and circumstantial".

The brothers were first arrested at their home in December and moved to house arrest three months later.

The indictment says they and two female Romanian associates formed an organised criminal group in 2021 to commit human trafficking in Romania, but also in other countries including the US and the UK.

It names seven alleged victims who it says were recruited by the Tate brothers through false promises of love and marriage.

In 2016, Tate, a British-American former kickboxer, was removed from British TV show Big Brother over a video which appeared to show him attacking a woman.

He went on to gain notoriety online, with Twitter banning him for saying women should "bear some responsibility" for being sexually assaulted. He has since been reinstated.

BBC
 
www.thetimes.co.uk

Barbie’s Ken puts Andrew Tate in the shade

Alice Thomson: Ryan Gosling has stolen the first billion-dollar feminist film with a role model that tramples over toxic masculinity
www.thetimes.co.uk www.thetimes.co.uk

Interesting piece although behind a paywall so you won't be able to read without a subscription, but some strange claims being made here that Tate is last year's news...maybe because I don't follow this stuff I thought he burst onto the scene this year.

Secondly as for Ken the barbie doll being a role model, I really can't comment because I haven't watched the Barbie film, but the same paper's film critic Camilla Long slated the portrayal of Ken in Barbie as being the worst role model just a week earlier.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
www.thetimes.co.uk

Barbie’s Ken puts Andrew Tate in the shade

Alice Thomson: Ryan Gosling has stolen the first billion-dollar feminist film with a role model that tramples over toxic masculinity
www.thetimes.co.uk www.thetimes.co.uk

Interesting piece although behind a paywall so you won't be able to read without a subscription, but some strange claims being made here that Tate is last year's news...maybe because I don't follow this stuff I thought he burst onto the scene this year.

Secondly as for Ken the barbie doll being a role model, I really can't comment because I haven't watched the Barbie film, but the same paper's film critic Camilla Long slated the portrayal of Ken in Barbie as being the worst role model just a week earlier.
Click to expand...

I think the new Ken is opposite of Tate. He is very camp looking, almost trans looking. Barbie is now a staunch femanists now, who has little love for men. Of course I've not watched this rubbish but from reading reviews is another LGBTQ+B agenda.

I think the issue most have like Tate is pushing this onto children. There will be readers here who have no clue but in 20 years their kids will want to be LGBTQ unless they are explaining this agenda to them.
 
Andrew bhai is a masculine hero of the modern world and we all love him for that. He’s brought self respect and swagger back to menkind.

He’s flawed.
He’s done illegal stuff.
But he’s the top G and you have to get yourself a little dirty to get that kind of platform in the modern world.

Divided by religion.
United by Top G Andrew bhai
 
KingKhanWC said:
I think the new Ken is opposite of Tate. He is very camp looking, almost trans looking. Barbie is now a staunch femanists now, who has little love for men. Of course I've not watched this rubbish but from reading reviews is another LGBTQ+B agenda.

I think the issue most have like Tate is pushing this onto children. There will be readers here who have no clue but in 20 years their kids will want to be LGBTQ unless they are explaining this agenda to them.
Click to expand...

I watched Barbie for the sake of my woman and she hated the movie more than I did eventually.

The feminist agenda is the film, if it doesn’t even out the women in your life off there’s something wrong with them.

The movie literally tells women to play games with men and divide them. I’m astonished the leftists have resorted to this.
 
The so called matrix, the leftist feminist machinery of the west. All it’s done in the last decade is to make men hate themselves and be ashamed of their past and turn into docile sissies to feel accepted by the society and women.

Ashamed of what? Building the damn world up from scratch. Building bridges, taking care of sewers, guarding the borders, inventing stuff etc etc. All that the feminists have in answer to all the above feats of menkind is one word, patriarchy. Like we are very sorry for handling business for thousands of years only for feminists to pick the most convenient time in the history to rebel and ask for equal share of opportunity only in the air conditioned board rooms but not take any ownership of the difficult stuff.

Men have seen enough.
The mesiah that is Andrew Tate has opened our eyes.
 
Andrew Tate prosecution files reveal graphic claims of coercion ahead of trial.

The case file summary, containing hundreds of pages of testimony and transcripts, includes an allegation of sexual violence which is said to have left one woman with eye and breast injuries.

And in what prosecutors say are transcribed audio messages, Mr Tate's brother Tristan appears to say that he will "slave these bitches".

Both men are facing trial in Romania for human trafficking and forming an organised criminal group with two other defendants.

Andrew Tate is also facing a charge of rape.

They deny all the charges against them. Some of the messages may originally have been written or recorded in English, then translated into Romanian by prosecutors and re-translated back into English by the BBC.

The BBC cannot verify whether the messages have been accurately transcribed or whether they were sent by the defendants as claimed, because the original evidence is not included in the summary document.

The 300 pages of reported testimony and evidence seen by the BBC provide a rare glimpse inside the pre-trial prosecution case against Andrew Tate, whose controversial views and online influence have sparked warnings from teachers, police and rights groups.

Included in the summary is a reproduced text message in which Mr Tate appears to claim leadership of the adult content business that prosecutors say was a human trafficking ring.

In June, Romania's Organised Crime Unit formally charged the Tate brothers, along with two Romanian women, with human trafficking and forming an organised crime group.

Attending court for the indictment, Andrew Tate said they were "not the first affluent men to be unfairly attacked" and that he looked forward to being found innocent.

Earlier this summer, Romanian prosecutors said in a statement that the Tate brothers had recruited their alleged victims by misleading them about their romantic intentions, before transporting the women to a house on the outskirts of Bucharest - where they were sexually exploited by the group, and forced to produce pornographic content through physical violence and mental coercion.

The Tates' lawyers are expected to challenge the prosecution evidence in a pre-trial hearing later this month, and some of the material referred to in the case file seen by the BBC could be ruled inadmissible.

Even if the material is found to be admissible, the defendants may challenge it during trial.

The defendants may dispute that they made these statements and contest their accuracy or context. They may also contest whether they meet the required legal standard for any offence being committed.

The file seen by the BBC includes testimony from what prosecutors say are several women who lived in a building near the Tates' house on the outskirts of Bucharest. The women allege that income from their online pornographic content was controlled by the defendants, along with some accounts and passwords.

Prosecutors say access to the money made on the OnlyFans site was controlled by Georgiana Naghel, one of the Tates' two Romanian co-defendants.

She would pay the women in the OnlyFans videos sums of money each month without revealing the total income they had earned, prosecutors allege.

On content created for the TikTok platform, they say the defendants took 50% of the income - and sometimes more.

Witnesses also claim they were forced to produce specific content to a strict schedule, under the threat of verbal and physical abuse.

The case file refers to threats to "break your teeth" or "end up in the morgue" in transcribed text messages, said to be from Ms Naghel.

She is also facing a charge of physically assaulting one victim - which she denies.

Fines of about 10% were imposed by the defendants on the women performing online for even small infractions - such as staying too long on a break, crying while live online, or wiping their nose while live, one witness says.

This apparently resulted in one of the women owing about €4,000 (£3,412) in debts.

A lawyer for the two female defendants said they vehemently denied the allegations which were not supported by any evidence, and were waiting for the court to decide their innocence.

The prosecutors' file also contains what is claimed to be transcriptions of audio messages from 2020 - in which Tristan Tate appears to say he doesn't want the women on sites like PornHub and OnlyFans to have access to their accounts:

"I don't want them to have the passwords, I don't want them to have anything."

And:

"I don't want to tell them that they have OnlyFans, I want that money to be used by me and you, screw them…"

Another part of the transcript reads:

"Mainly I'm going to slave these bitches […] I'm going to make them work even more hours and hours and hours.. I work these bitches like slaves. […] SLAVE work. Minimum 10 or 12 hours a day."

The Tate brothers, and some of the women working for them, previously told investigators that the allegations are the result of jealousy.

Prosecutors say access to the money made on the OnlyFans site was controlled by Georgiana Naghel, one of the Tates' two Romanian co-defendants.

She would pay the women in the OnlyFans videos sums of money each month without revealing the total income they had earned, prosecutors allege.

On content created for the TikTok platform, they say the defendants took 50% of the income - and sometimes more.

Witnesses also claim they were forced to produce specific content to a strict schedule, under the threat of verbal and physical abuse.

The case file refers to threats to "break your teeth" or "end up in the morgue" in transcribed text messages, said to be from Ms Naghel.

She is also facing a charge of physically assaulting one victim - which she denies.

Fines of about 10% were imposed by the defendants on the women performing online for even small infractions - such as staying too long on a break, crying while live online, or wiping their nose while live, one witness says.

This apparently resulted in one of the women owing about €4,000 (£3,412) in debts.

A lawyer for the two female defendants said they vehemently denied the allegations which were not supported by any evidence, and were waiting for the court to decide their innocence.

The prosecutors' file also contains what is claimed to be transcriptions of audio messages from 2020 - in which Tristan Tate appears to say he doesn't want the women on sites like PornHub and OnlyFans to have access to their accounts:

"I don't want them to have the passwords, I don't want them to have anything."

And:

"I don't want to tell them that they have OnlyFans, I want that money to be used by me and you, screw them…"

Another part of the transcript reads:

"Mainly I'm going to slave these bitches […] I'm going to make them work even more hours and hours and hours.. I work these bitches like slaves. […] SLAVE work. Minimum 10 or 12 hours a day."

The Tate brothers, and some of the women working for them, previously told investigators that the allegations are the result of jealousy'

'I can't do it without drinking'

In other transcribed messages that prosecutors say took place between this alleged victim and Andrew Tate over several weeks, Mr Tate appears to mix talk of love and marriage with what seem to be orders, threats, references to rape, or insults such as "*****" or "whore".

According to the file, the alleged victim appears to ask him not to use those terms.

In response to a demand for group sex, the file says, she tells Andrew Tate, "I will not have sex with girls. I'm not going to do this." And then, "Baby, I gotta drink for this. I can't do it without drinking."

Mr Tate is alleged to have responded, "Don't be boring [...] I want to see that you submit to me [...] Shut up you whore, you will do as I say."

This is not the only allegation of abuse. The case file summary also contains detailed witness accounts of Mr Tate's alleged violence towards women.

One alleged rape victim says that, during one incident, he told her to take off her clothes while keeping her shoes on, then "slapped her across the face".

She says she was unable to reject Mr Tate because he would hold her head during sex, telling her he no longer wanted to receive negative messages from her, and threatening to get her pregnant and lock her in a house.

According to the prosecution case, the alleged victim "was crying and scared because she thought [Andrew Tate] was capable of anything".

The two individuals were reportedly alone in the room at the time, the file says, but prosecutors are seeking to place this testimony in the context of the defendant's reported wider behaviour and history.

Another woman told investigators that Andrew Tate's violence during sex was his way of "venting frustration" when she didn't do what he told her to do.

Silvia Tabusca - an expert in human trafficking cases - told the BBC that, in order to prove their case, prosecutors would need to show that the defendants misled their alleged victims about their motivation for the relationship. Even if the women themselves consented, she said, trafficking could still take place.

In a BBC interview earlier this year, Andrew Tate strongly denied exploiting or manipulating any women, saying that he had "never hurt anybody" and that the case against him was "completely and utterly fabricated".

He has also said repeatedly that the media and others take selected comments of his out of context and put them together in a way that doesn't reflect reality.

Rare cars, jewellery and property
The file also refers to financial transfers, including £4m allegedly transferred by Andrew Tate into an online bank account, under the heading "Rev Only Fans". The BBC has not seen details of the source of that income.

In their report, prosecutors allege that the Tate brothers do not appear to have income "from lawful activities", but that from 2018 onwards they acquired "numerous properties", "15 of the rarest and most expensive cars", estimated to be worth more than £3m, as well as jewellery and $400,000 in cryptocurrency.

Subscriptions to their online groups, the War Room and Hustler's University, appear to bring the brothers around $5m a month in membership fees, prosecutors say.

Romania is preparing to try this case in the glare of an international spotlight. Its Organised Crime Unit confirmed in a statement earlier this year that it was continuing to investigate possible crimes of trafficking in minors and money-laundering connected to this case. As yet, no suspects have been formally identified.

The trial itself could take years to reach a verdict.

Prosecutors say Andrew Tate's video explanations of how to recruit, control and exploit women match the evidence they present.

But supporters praise his discipline and financial success.

The online version of Andrew Tate has already divided the world into prosecution and defence. But in the legal process that's about to begin in Bucharest, it's his real-life actions on trial.

BBC
 
Look at conversations at school, Tate is the most influential person amongst the 11-16 kids. But influence is a movable feast and someone else will come along and offer something more entertaining and everyone will move on.
 
Tate's popularity and influence is on the wain (if it was ever as large as it was claimed).

In reference to the actual thread title, Tate was only influential amongst very young British Muslim males, ranging teens and maybe early 20s at most. Even then, it was influence within the echo chamber of internet discussion, not day to day life.
 
owenhcricket said:
Tate's popularity and influence is on the wain (if it was ever as large as it was claimed).

In reference to the actual thread title, Tate was only influential amongst very young British Muslim males, ranging teens and maybe early 20s at most. Even then, it was influence within the echo chamber of internet discussion, not day to day life.
Click to expand...

The lefty mob said the same about Trump and he is way ahead in the Republicans nominations for 2024 - irrespective of the court cases.

You must be new, oh wait you are, flash back history - Tate has more Non-Muslim supporters compared to Muslims. Just go look at Social Media and see how many *Westerner Whites" agree with him long before this thread started. Whites/Atheists dwarf his Muslim support.
 
Technics 1210 said:
The lefty mob said the same about Trump and he is way ahead in the Republicans nominations for 2024 - irrespective of the court cases.

You must be new, oh wait you are, flash back history - Tate has more Non-Muslim supporters compared to Muslims. Just go look at Social Media and see how many *Westerner Whites" agree with him long before this thread started. Whites/Atheists dwarf his Muslim support.
Click to expand...

I do wonder why on sites which have a core Muslim audience, we constantly get told Tate's fan base is mostly Muslim. You don't hear this on the usual social media channels where the emphasis is usually on Tate's large fanbase among impressionable teen boys.

There are a few theories which might explain this, but the obvious one is these type of message boards do attract a fair number of trolls.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I do wonder why on sites which have a core Muslim audience, we constantly get told Tate's fan base is mostly Muslim. You don't hear this on the usual social media channels where the emphasis is usually on Tate's large fanbase among impressionable teen boys.

There are a few theories which might explain this, but the obvious one is these type of message boards do attract a fair number of trolls.
Click to expand...

The very fact that Tate's influence has infiltrated UK schools up and down the country is proof his support is not confined to Muslims - to the extent schools, teachers, and governing bodies have raised concerned over Tate's influence. Absolutely squat to do with being a Muslim.

It is also a fact that Islamophobes (some old, some new under the guise of English names) come out with gutter tripe aimed at Muslim support without knowing the facts. Pure agenda driven!
 
Technics 1210 said:
The lefty mob said the same about Trump and he is way ahead in the Republicans nominations for 2024 - irrespective of the court cases.

You must be new, oh wait you are, flash back history - Tate has more Non-Muslim supporters compared to Muslims. Just go look at Social Media and see how many *Westerner Whites" agree with him long before this thread started. Whites/Atheists dwarf his Muslim support.
Click to expand...

No offence brother but your reply doesn't have anything to do with my post. And what lefty mob are you talking about? Do you think I am Stalin?
 
SalimBhai said:
Trump will lose the election again. He might even get imprisoned.
Click to expand...

The subsequent US administration has done a bang up job in his place. Biden has led the world into war with Russia, economies are tanking, and the globe is more polarised than it's been for decades. Not that US presdents have much say in foreign policy, I have always felt they are just public faces presented for public consumption, the real decision making goes on behind the scenes.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
The subsequent US administration has done a bang up job in his place. Biden has led the world into war with Russia, economies are tanking, and the globe is more polarised than it's been for decades. Not that US presdents have much say in foreign policy, I have always felt they are just public faces presented for public consumption, the real decision making goes on behind the scenes.
Click to expand...
All true. But he will win again as I said earlier
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
The subsequent US administration has done a bang up job in his place. Biden has led the world into war with Russia, economies are tanking, and the globe is more polarised than it's been for decades. Not that US presdents have much say in foreign policy, I have always felt they are just public faces presented for public consumption, the real decision making goes on behind the scenes.
Click to expand...

Very true.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
The subsequent US administration has done a bang up job in his place. Biden has led the world into war with Russia, economies are tanking, and the globe is more polarised than it's been for decades. Not that US presdents have much say in foreign policy, I have always felt they are just public faces presented for public consumption, the real decision making goes on behind the scenes.
Click to expand...
Yup. The President of Amreeka is actually weak, for example, Congress has more power than Biden.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Yup. The President of Amreeka is actually weak, for example, Congress has more power than Biden.
Click to expand...
Which is how a good functional democracy should be with appropriate checks and balances for each role as opposed to entire power being concentrated in the hands of one fanatic under the guise of a fake democracy like in India (Modi) or Pakistan (any COAS).
 
rickroll said:
Which is how a good functional democracy should be with appropriate checks and balances for each role as opposed to entire power being concentrated in the hands of one fanatic under the guise of a fake democracy like in India (Modi) or Pakistan (any COAS).
Click to expand...
Hahaha. Checks and balances. You mean like Iraq 2003?
 
rickroll said:
It is all relative. Compared to the "democracies" of India or Pakistan, US or UK democracies are far better. None of them perfect, but just better.
Click to expand...
The point is of check and balances, your words, not comparable democracies.

If you want to continue this game then democracies in Pakistan and India are all 'relative' too.
 
Technics 1210 said:
The point is of check and balances, your words, not comparable democracies.

If you want to continue this game then democracies in Pakistan and India are all 'relative' too.
Click to expand...
Huh? Not sure what you mean and I'm definitely not interested in a pointless arguments or personal insults just for the sake of fake feel good factors as seems to be the case with some regulars here. Not saying you are doing that but just adding that as an upfront disclaimer.

My point - No democracy is perfect overall. We just have to choose the better of the lot. Among the democratic models between US/UK and Pakistan/India, everyone will agree that the US/UK model is superior. You can make all the fun you want about the US/UK model (while ironically choosing to live in the UK) but what is the alternative? A "democracy" like Pakistan or India? An autocracy like Russia? A monarchy like the Saudis? Communism like North Korea or Venezuela? Autocracy like China? Banana democracy like African or Central American countries? Theological autocracy like Iran/Taliban/ISIS?

No political model is perfect but among the various models, western democracies are the better choices for common people like us. Yes, they may have flawed political strategies here and there, but all of us would agree that common people like us rather live in the western model. This gives us and our families the higher levels of personal protection than any other model?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I do wonder why on sites which have a core Muslim audience, we constantly get told Tate's fan base is mostly Muslim. You don't hear this on the usual social media channels where the emphasis is usually on Tate's large fanbase among impressionable teen boys.

There are a few theories which might explain this, but the obvious one is these type of message boards do attract a fair number of trolls.
Click to expand...
My question about this - among mainstream (non-muslim) audience, how large is Tate's fan base among young impressionable teen boys? Do they form the majority percentage? How much of a smaller percentage are adult men among mainstream audience? I'm curious if there is a data for that out there.
 
rickroll said:
My question about this - among mainstream (non-muslim) audience, how large is Tate's fan base among young impressionable teen boys? Do they form the majority percentage? How much of a smaller percentage are adult men among mainstream audience? I'm curious if there is a data for that out there.
Click to expand...

We had two articles in the UK Times in the last month by their leading commentators mentioning Tate. Both were written and published by women. He's obviously striking a nerve somewhere and we should probably asking the question why.
 
Andrew Tate: Chats in 'War Room' suggest dozens of women groomed.

Evidence that dozens of women were groomed into online sex work by members of influencer Andrew Tate's "War Room" group has been uncovered by the BBC.

Leaked internal chat logs identify 45 potential victims between March 2019 and April 2020 but the total number is likely to be higher.

The texts also appear to show the techniques used by War Room members to exploit possible victims.

Mr Tate denies any wrongdoing and says he is prepared to defend his innocence.

A statement issued by his press officer said the BBC's findings represent "another brazen attempt to present one-sided, unverified" allegations against him.

The 36-year-old former kickboxer has been charged in Romania with rape and human trafficking.

On 4 August he was released from house arrest pending his trial. Last week details of graphic evidence compiled by Romanian prosecutors were revealed by the BBC.

His brother Tristan and two associates also face charges. All have denied the allegations.

The BBC's latest investigation - outlined in the documentary Andrew Tate: The Man Who Groomed the World? - centres on 12,000 pages of encrypted Telegram messages sent by hundreds of War Room members.

However the BBC's access to the logs was limited to those sent over a period of 13 months - so the total number of women possibly targeted and exploited by the group, which was formed in 2019, could be much higher.

Mr Tate says the War Room - which costs $8,000 (£6,300) a year to join - is a network of powerful men and those who want to learn from them.

"The War Room promotes self-discipline, motivation and confidence building whilst giving members access to thousands of professionals from around the world who encourage personal responsibility and accountability, emphasising the importance of taking ownership of your choices and actions," the statement issued by Mr Tate reads.

However, the leaked online chats indicate the War Room teaches members through its so-called "PhD" course - the initials stand for "Pimpin' Hoes Degree" - how to groom women into sex work.

Members are instructed by some of the War Room leadership - known as "generals" - to romantically seduce, emotionally manipulate and socially isolate women before luring them into performing on webcams - often taking all or most of the money they make.

While most media attention around the organisation has focused on the Tate brothers, the BBC's investigation found that a self-proclaimed "wizard" who goes by the alias "Iggy Semmelweiss" appears to be the War Room's true leader and intellectual driving force.

www.bbc.com

Andrew Tate: Chats in 'War Room' suggest dozens of women groomed

Messages seen by the BBC appear to show how the influencer's "War Room" targeted possible victims.
www.bbc.com
 
I would love to debate Morgan.

Ive watched most of these debates but his guests have been avg tbh.

These are simple facts which would make Piers the Zionist apologist cry and lose his job.

1. Israel has NO right to self defence, as by Int law an occupying power cannot have this right.

2. Morgan claimed MOST of the civilised world see Hamas as terrorists. This is a lie, most do not , mainly the west do.

3. Morgan is still hapring on about 1400 killed on Oct 7th. The Israeli police investigation has confirmed many of these were gunned down by IDF Apache choppers.

4. Morgan claims on Oct 7th these were civlians. The vast majority were over 18 and all IDF, as its mandatory.

5. Morgan is still peddling the lie of babies beheaded, only 1 baby was killed and its unkown how.

The Zionists and their lapdogs ,state terrorist apologists like Morgan, whose boss is Murdoch (a funder of settlements) are smart, they will claim to be fair but its always about Hamas , terrorists etc.

The time for talk is long gone, nobody thinks the west will be fair, as witnessed recently by their politicians etc.

Palestinians have a legal and moral right to self defence.....and over 1.5 billion are now Palestinians. Either Israeli occupation will end, Palestine will have a state or there will be a nuclear world war.
 
Andrew Tate requests UK return from Romania as mother suffers heart attack

Andrew Tate and his brother have requested an emergency visit to the UK to visit their mother - who's had a heart attack.

A spokesperson for the brothers said she "suffered a sudden heart attack this afternoon and was immediately rushed to the hospital".

"It is our understanding that she will be undergoing emergency surgery. Her discharge from the hospital is contingent on the success of this critical procedure," a statement added.

The brothers are barred from leaving Romania due to a case over alleged human trafficking, rape and organised crime - claims they deny.

Andrew Tate posted on X on Thursday afternoon: "My mother has had a heart attack and is in hospital. I am going to court tomorrow to request an emergency visit to London."

Their spokesperson called it a "critical and devastating situation" and said it's hoped the court will quickly approve them temporary leave from Romania.

Restrictions on the controversial influencer and his brother Tristan were eased in September, allowing them to travel anywhere in Romania.

They previously couldn't travel outside the Bucharest area without permission.

The brothers were originally arrested in December 2022 and held in jail until March, when they were moved to house arrest.

They are accused of tricking seven women into sexual exploitation on promises of a relationship or marriage - a technique labelled the "loverboy method".

It is alleged the brothers and the two Romanian female suspects formed a group in 2021 to commit human trafficking.

Andrew Tate has also been charged with raping one of the alleged victims.

He's repeatedly claimed prosecutors have no evidence and that the case is a political conspiracy designed to silence him.

Tare has recently been trying to get back millions of euros of valuables confiscated by authorities, including a number of luxury cars and watches.



news.sky.com

Andrew Tate requests UK return from Romania as mother suffers heart attack

The Tate brothers can't leave Romania due to their ongoing criminal case - but are now hoping a judge will grant them special permission to fly home.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
 
I gained a lot of respect for him after his Piers Morgan interview on Palestine.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Sher Khan
Double Standards of Muslim men
Replies
22
Views
747
ghalib kichlu
G
The Bald Eagle
  • Poll
Is India the most unsafe place for tourists in the world? The gang rape of a Brazilian tourist in state of Jharkhand has led to widespread outrage
Replies
74
Views
2K
JaDed
JaDed
hoshiarpurexpress
Australian anti-Islamic activist Shermon becomes the latest far-right figure to convert to Islam
2
Replies
108
Views
5K
Cpt. Rishwat
Cpt. Rishwat
C
Small Indian state passes landmark civil code opposed by Muslims
2
Replies
118
Views
3K
DeadlyVenom
D
FearlessRoar
"They will gather all your wealth and distribute it among those who have more children": PM Modi's reference to Muslims shows his true face
2 3
Replies
196
Views
2K
MP2011
M
Back
Top