Arsenal FC | 2022/23 Season

[topspin]

Why pick Holding again?

We've bottled it with some dumb selections. Zinchenko should never have started ahead of Tierney and Xhaka should never started ahead of Trossard (or even Jorginho).

 

[topspin]

I reckon Arsenal will win tonight, the previous bad results have meant there is less pressure on them now as most people think they have bottled it but this will allow them to play with more freedom

Nah we're getting battered just like how we're about to get battered at St James Park next week on Sunday.

 

[Amjid Javed]

This sure as hell sucks and hurts so much.

We were better off taking on the FA Cup, League Cup and Europa League competitions and finishing 3rd/4th than finishing 2nd empty handed.

I said this earlier in season when we sacrificed the FA Cup and europa league and some in this thread were dismissing as ok, because PL was sole focus.

Embarrassing, this team ain't going to compete in PL and CL next season with this bottle job squad and manager

 

[Amjid Javed]

Why pick Holding again?

We've bottled it with some dumb selections. Zinchenko should never have started ahead of Tierney and Xhaka should never started ahead of Trossard (or even Jorginho).

Because the managers clueless.

Oh sorry "let's trust the process" because after 3.5 years and 500 M spent we are back in CL.

Arteta and edu chose to keep holding in squad, just like the chose to sign players like kiwor who ain't ready to play.

Garbage summer TW and winter TW which left holes in squad

I agree why have we signed jorghino

 

[Amjid Javed]

Nah we're getting battered just like how we're about to get battered at St James Park next week on Sunday.

3 or 4 nil win for Newcastle.

We will lose to Brighton as well.

Title will be won by City by more than 6 points

 

[The_KING]

Why sign that Polish defender in January if you are going to keep on picking Holding?

Arteta is clueless.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Why sign that Polish defender in January if you are going to keep on picking Holding?

Arteta is clueless.

glad people are realising what i said all along.

 

[topspin]

Because the managers clueless.

Oh sorry "let's trust the process" because after 3.5 years and 500 M spent we are back in CL.

Arteta and edu chose to keep holding in squad, just like the chose to sign players like kiwor who ain't ready to play.

Garbage summer TW and winter TW which left holes in squad

I agree why have we signed jorghino

It's unacceptable how we've let this slip. Can't just blame Saliba's injury. Arteta has to be held accountable.

I can't believe how all these pundits and commies were raving about our January transfer business. I thought it showed a lack of ambition as we didn't sign a single decent defender. We should've thrown the kitchen sink to win the PL like Spurs did last year in January and it worked out for them as they pipped us to top 4.

Earlier in the season Pep was doing all kinds of experiments with his squad, for e.g. putting KDB and Gundorgan on the bench. He knew his team would come good and Arsenal would crack with their lack of squad depth and inexperience.

We shouldn't be fooled by the fact that City were taking it easy earlier in the season.

 

[Amjid Javed]

It's unacceptable how we've let this slip. Can't just blame Saliba's injury. Arteta has to be held accountable.

I can't believe how all these pundits and commies were raving about our January transfer business. I thought it showed a lack of ambition as we didn't sign a single decent defender. We should've thrown the kitchen sink to win the PL like Spurs did last year in January and it worked out for them as they pipped us to top 4.

Earlier in the season Pep was doing all kinds of experiments with his squad, for e.g. putting KDB and Gundorgan on the bench. He knew his team would come good and Arsenal would crack with their lack of squad depth and inexperience.

We shouldn't be fooled by the fact that City were taking it easy earlier in the season.

Arteta nor Edu wont be made accountable at all - excuse will be that target was top 4 and it will be brushed under the carpet

last season we bottled top 4 and excuse was target was getting back in europe.

"the process" and "young team" will keep being the excuse.

lets be real next season Arsenal aint winning the CL and the league cup will be sacrificed as usual.

So it will be the PL and FA Cup so wont be shocked at another trophyless season.

if Arsenal had any ambition they would get a proven manager in the summer now, but it wont happen.

 

[Saj]

Ultimately the lack of squad depth has gone against Arsenal.

Man City are bringing on subs like Foden, but Arsenal don't have anywhere near that class of player to bring on.

 

[topspin]

Arteta nor Edu wont be made accountable at all - excuse will be that target was top 4 and it will be brushed under the carpet

last season we bottled top 4 and excuse was target was getting back in europe.

"the process" and "young team" will keep being the excuse.

lets be real next season Arsenal aint winning the CL and the league cup will be sacrificed as usual.

So it will be the PL and FA Cup so wont be shocked at another trophyless season.

if Arsenal had any ambition they would get a proven manager in the summer now, but it wont happen.

Trossard's lack of game time is beyond belief. Look at the difference he makes whenever he plays. He's been one of our best players in the last few months.

Arteta is a good manager but he has his favourites and what that means is he gets tied up in emotions just like the players. Odegaard, Xhaka and Zinchenko are the golden boys in this team.

Odegaard has done well for someone who's been brought in for £30m but he's no captaincy material. The guy is mentally and physically so weak.

 

[IMMY69]

Missing Saliba big time.

Once we get 5 good recruits in the summer we'll have a far stronger squad.
We're on the right path.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Ultimately the lack of squad depth has gone against Arsenal.

Man City are bringing on subs like Foden, but Arsenal don't have anywhere near that class of player to bring on.

Thats on the manager and Edu - they signed Vieria, Jorghino and kiwor and gave new contracts to players like holding, elneny, nkeitah, and other trash.

Arsenal will not be in a title race next season and wont be in top 2 either.

 

[IAJ]

This did not look like no.1 playing against City, it was as if Lees were playing City lol. So much difference in class is apalling.

Anyways my team in Spain, Real Madrid will take care of City in Europe.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Missing Saliba big time.

Once we get 5 good recruits in the summer we'll have a far stronger squad.
We're on the right path.

) can i have some of what ever you are smoking! right path after collapsing under same pressure 2 seasons running!

 

[Amjid Javed]

Trossard's lack of game time is beyond belief. Look at the difference he makes whenever he plays. He's been one of our best players in the last few months.

Arteta is a good manager but he has his favourites and what that means is he gets tied up in emotions just like the players. Odegaard, Xhaka and Zinchenko are the golden boys in this team.

Odegaard has done well for someone who's been brought in for £30m but he's no captaincy material. The guy is mentally and physically so weak.

Good managers know when to make tough decisions and Arteta balls as a manager havent developed. Again i said making Odegaard was a poor decision.

weak captain but also means he starts every game so that means less game time for players like ESR.

The fact that players like xhaka and holding are at club and we havent got in better options shows how poor clubs ambition is.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Missing Saliba big time.

Once we get 5 good recruits in the summer we'll have a far stronger squad.
We're on the right path.

even with Saliba we would have got slapped tonight, our midfield was non-existant.

Partey has been shocking for last 4 games and the other 2 are over-rated and not title winning midfielders.

 

[topspin]

Good managers know when to make tough decisions and Arteta balls as a manager havent developed. Again i said making Odegaard was a poor decision.

weak captain but also means he starts every game so that means less game time for players like ESR.

The fact that players like xhaka and holding are at club and we havent got in better options shows how poor clubs ambition is.

I can't believe Rio Ferdinand said that Odegaard had overtaken KDB earlier in the season.

I actually ESR has a higher ceiling than Odegaard. He's not mentally weak.

After his sending off against Spurs in last season's NLD, we've should've ditched Holding along with Laca, Tavares and etc.

 

[Amjid Javed]

11 goals conceded in last 4 games and manager keeps playing same personel and same way. You take Saliba out this season and its pretty much same defenders who were good enough last season.

From a defensive point of view Zinchenko Is just as useless as tavares was last year.

Can't wait to get hammered 6 or 7 nil each game in CL next year by Bayern and real etc.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I can't believe Rio Ferdinand said that Odegaard had overtaken KDB earlier in the season.

I actually ESR has a higher ceiling than Odegaard. He's not mentally weak.

After his sending off against Spurs in last season's NLD, we've should've ditched Holding along with Laca, Tavares and etc.

Agree 100% on both

We should have got rid of xhaka, elneny as well last summer and got better players in.

I'm sure [MENTION=138771]Firebat[/MENTION] will defend oddegaard as its his hero

 

[Kroll]

It doesn’t matter what happens at Anfield, Arsenal will win the league. In fact I wouldn’t mind seeing Liverpool win that match and beat United for the third place.

I hope United mentally capitulate after this mauling and lose momentum.

Arsenal
City
Liverpool
United

Arsenal winning the league and Liverpool leapfrogging United after trailing them all season. Gary Neville would cry like a baby and it will be beautiful.

People talk about luck, but this Arsenal side is built different. They are relentless, mentally strong and they have the capacity to quickly recover from bad results.

Of course they will drop points from here on but so will City. Eventually, this 5 point gap will more or less stay intact until the end of the season.

The best part is that the big players will no longer leave, Arteta will add more quality to the squad and build on this momentum to get even better next season.

I think Arsenal will make a serious impact in the UCL next season, they will be back with a bang.

What a beautiful time to be an Arsenal fan.

Ahem, look I won't revel in my glory too much as you had the balls to back them all the way even if it was the height of stupidity. This isn't even Arsenal bottling it as it the whole thing was inevitable.

To say Arsenal were going to usurp this relentless blue machine is ridiculous now that they've added the big beast up front. I appreciate it was more to do with bias and the pain of not seeing Arsenal not win the title or come close for so long.

All I would say is learn and understand and you can start saving your money on the eggs and tomatoes. Just remember even the fantastic Liverpool sides in four out of the five seasons could not stave of City, so there was basically no chance Arsenal were going to do it.

But yeah the title is done dusted, sadly not for the team you had hoped.

 

[IMMY69]

) can i have some of what ever you are smoking! right path after collapsing under same pressure 2 seasons running!

Third time lucky then.
What do you want me to say?
We've already drawn a line under this argument.

I have said I will wait until the end of the summer transfer window snd then 4/5 games into next season. You clearly want Arteta and/or Edu out.

This isn't about point scoring against each other, it's about supporting a team.
Let's leave at that please

 

[IMMY69]

Ahem, look I won't revel in my glory too much as you had the balls to back them all the way even if it was the height of stupidity. This isn't even Arsenal bottling it as it the whole thing was inevitable.

To say Arsenal were going to usurp this relentless blue machine is ridiculous now that they've added the big beast up front. I appreciate it was more to do with bias and the pain of not seeing Arsenal not win the title or come close for so long.

All I would say is learn and understand and you can start saving your money on the eggs and tomatoes. Just remember even the fantastic Liverpool sides in four out of the five seasons could not stave of City, so there was basically no chance Arsenal were going to do it.

But yeah the title is done dusted, sadly not for the team you had hoped. View attachment 119350

It was a prediction devoid of any footballing logic.

How can a team that has a far inferior back up squad, an injury away from losing it all together, have it "in the bag" when the opposition (City) has walked over all its competition including one of the best Liverpool sides assembled in two decades??

If ever there was a time to revel in your glory it's now ��

 

[Firebat]

Agree 100% on both

We should have got rid of xhaka, elneny as well last summer and got better players in.

I'm sure [MENTION=138771]Firebat[/MENTION] will defend oddegaard as its his hero

Lol, you've written more posts in the past 2 hours than I ever have about Odegaard.

Regardless, I wouldn't single out a player because they are all mentally weak right now, top to bottom. They'd conceded the game before ever stepping on the pitch. So embarrassing.

 

[Kroll]

This game was an absolute tactical masterclass from Pep. City’s press had driven Arsenal inside forcing them to play through the middle nullifying the threat from Martinelli and Saka.

Offensively he neutralised Arsenal’s press by dropping Haaland 10 yards deeper to enable the long ball and having KDB play off him almost like an old school big man little man twosome.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Nah we're getting battered just like how we're about to get battered at St James Park next week on Sunday.

I was so disappointed with Arsenal, they were shocking tonight

We put up more of a fight against City than they did

 

[Amjid Javed]

This game was an absolute tactical masterclass from Pep. City’s press had driven Arsenal inside forcing them to play through the middle nullifying the threat from Martinelli and Saka.

Offensively he neutralised Arsenal’s press by dropping Haaland 10 yards deeper to enable the long ball and having KDB play off him almost like an old school big man little man twosome.

Pep is world class manager, coach and tactician.

Arteta Is the football equivalent of saqlain in charge as Pakistan coach. Zero tactic, zero plan B. When you have dropped points 3 games in a row and you still play in same way.

Tactically inept and shows he has no faith in squad or bench he put together.

500M and 21 new players and nothing has changed in regards to mentality under pressure

 

[Amjid Javed]

Man city vs Arsenal

Last 12 PL games

City won all 12 - 33 goals vs 5 goals

There is a certain clueless poster on here who loves mocking Pakistan cricket teams pathetic test record in Australia and that they have lost ever single game in Australia since 1995.

This is the footballing equivalent of that but same poster then makes excuses..

I'm sure that person is now hiding like a coward

 

[Amjid Javed]

I was so disappointed with Arsenal, they were shocking tonight

We put up more of a fight against City than they did

Only shock last night was you actually thought a mentally weak Arsenal team with a circus clown manager were going to eithad and get anything *

 

[Amjid Javed]

Missing Saliba big time.

Once we get 5 good recruits in the summer we'll have a far stronger squad.
We're on the right path.

Let's be real you say 5 good recruits.

All these so called recruits are all going to need to be top class (declan rice standard player) that's what this team needs now. None of this mediocre back up or one fit future nonsense.

- that's going to cost a lot of money, even with CL that's not going to be Easy
- Edu is incapable of getting big transfers done.
- Arsenal's recruitment every TW has been hit and miss

Reality is Arsenal would need evert signing in summer to be perfect

Not to hurt your feelings, but reality is your being deluded if you thing Arteta / Edu are magically going to get things right in the summer

City will win title again next season

If united get a world class striker and 2 midfielders they will be in title race next season.

Liverpool if they are Not in Europe next season will make top 4.

Arsenal will be scrapping with an ever improving Newcastle for 4th spot next year if Arsenal continue with Arteta.

Arteta is just another brendon Rogers, even brendon Rogers was exposed after bottling title races and top 4 races in PL

 

[pak4life]

The problem is Arteta has his first 11 and has no faith with the rest on the bench. Some of the players mentally and physically have nothing left to give. Xhakha, Partey, Odegaard just couldn't compete yesteday and didn't provide the attackers with any service. Saka's levels have dropped in the last 4/5 games. It's only when Arteta made changes we actually started to play better. I hope Kiwior is given a chance in the next match or switch White to Centre Half. He has to start making changes.

I would have taken second at the start of the season but considering how rubbish the other teams have been and will improve next year. This was our best chance to win the league.

 

[Amjid Javed]

The problem is Arteta has his first 11 and has no faith with the rest on the bench. Some of the players mentally and physically have nothing left to give. Xhakha, Partey, Odegaard just couldn't compete yesteday and didn't provide the attackers with any service. Saka's levels have dropped in the last 4/5 games. It's only when Arteta made changes we actually started to play better. I hope Kiwior is given a chance in the next match or switch White to Centre Half. He has to start making changes.

I would have taken second at the start of the season but considering how rubbish the other teams have been and will improve next year. This was our best chance to win the league.

According to edu and arteta they both decide and agree on players, so all this stuff about Arteta not trusting players, that's on him and edu.

3.5 years and this is now his team + the 10 players he inherited from when he took over and chose to keep.

So if you can't get best out of squad you have then clearly manager isn't up to the job

 

[Extra_Cover]

Arsenal's fan base is made of glass it seems so brittle. The knives are already out for Arteta which is appalling, the guy literally brought Champions League football back to the club after some time so instead of relishing that we have our guns pointed at him.

For all the fans that are feeling really low at the moment please understand that some years back a certain Gerrard slipped against Chelsea that slip resulted in Liverpool bottling the title race. Imagine what the fans of Liverpool went through at that stage yet they stuck that difficult phase together and a season or so later they were crowned champions of the league. Similarly same set of Liverpool fans saw a certain Karius slipped through on 2 goals against Real Madrid in champions league final yet they again stuck together and didn't break as a result they won champions league a season or two later too.

The point is simple that yes we all agree that bottling the premiership race has been heartbreaking but to start calling our players and manager and sacrificing them as worthless is no good either.

None of the so called fans predicted Arsenal to be where they are today in the premier league at the start of the season. Now that they came close and likely not to win the league the same set of fans are demanding the resignation of the manager that took them further simply because he didn't meet their inflated demands of premiership which didn't even existed at the start of the year.

As an Arsenal fan we should simply cherish that our young players are getting exposure to stardom and important nerve wracking moments at such young ages which would benefit them immensely a year or two down the line.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let’s be very clear: Arsenal coming 2nd after spending so much of the season top of the Premier League, would not constitute ‘success.’ <br>Progress, yes. <br>Success, no. <br>Only winning is success. <br>And any Arsenal fans who think otherwise have a loser’s mentality.</p>— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1651562812911546369?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Amjid Javed]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let’s be very clear: Arsenal coming 2nd after spending so much of the season top of the Premier League, would not constitute ‘success.’ <br>Progress, yes. <br>Success, no. <br>Only winning is success. <br>And any Arsenal fans who think otherwise have a loser’s mentality.</p>— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1651562812911546369?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

100% spot on assessments. To many loser celebrating a trophyless season again.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal's fan base is made of glass it seems so brittle. The knives are already out for Arteta which is appalling, the guy literally brought Champions League football back to the club after some time so instead of relishing that we have our guns pointed at him.

For all the fans that are feeling really low at the moment please understand that some years back a certain Gerrard slipped against Chelsea that slip resulted in Liverpool bottling the title race. Imagine what the fans of Liverpool went through at that stage yet they stuck that difficult phase together and a season or so later they were crowned champions of the league. Similarly same set of Liverpool fans saw a certain Karius slipped through on 2 goals against Real Madrid in champions league final yet they again stuck together and didn't break as a result they won champions league a season or two later too.

The point is simple that yes we all agree that bottling the premiership race has been heartbreaking but to start calling our players and manager and sacrificing them as worthless is no good either.

None of the so called fans predicted Arsenal to be where they are today in the premier league at the start of the season. Now that they came close and likely not to win the league the same set of fans are demanding the resignation of the manager that took them further simply because he didn't meet their inflated demands of premiership which didn't even existed at the start of the year.

As an Arsenal fan we should simply cherish that our young players are getting exposure to stardom and important nerve wracking moments at such young ages which would benefit them immensely a year or two down the line.

1) CL qualification isn't a trophy, it's just extra cash revenue for the club. Arsenal ain't winning the CL next season and simple will be making up the numbers. This current team under Arteta has been embarrassed in the EL 3 times by olmpiakos, villareal and sporting Lisbon. Arsenal over record in Europe is a shambles as well.

2) so the process was just to get back into the CL, spending 500M on 21 players in 3.5 years a competition we ain't winning.

Now let's address the biggest load of nonsense you wrote the Liverpool comparison. The season Liverpool bottled the league was under brendon Rogers, it wasn't just the Gerrard slip that cost then the league. Liverpool conceded 50 goals finishing 2nd in league and didn't address there rubbish defence.

2013/14 - Liverpool (2nd) under Rogers
2014/15 - Liverpool (6th) under Rogers
2015/16 - Liverpool (8th) in January liverpool sacked Rogers. Klopp took over when Liverpool were 9th.

So where did Liverpool after the tough period win the PL a season or so later? Rogers was sacked 18 months after bottling the league. You are talking absoloute garbage.

2016/17 - Liverpool (4th)
2017/18 - Liverpool (4th)
2018/19 - Liverpool (2nd)
2019/20 - Liverpool (1st)

So facts after Liverpool bottled the league, the sacked the manager 18 months later. Then 6 years after that title bottle job they won the league.

 

[MenInG]

Post on this thread with RESPECT to other posters - or don't post.

Everyone has a view and that should be respected

I have done a lot of edits and deletions but patience is running thin.

 

[Kianig89]

Yes Arsenal chances are dome and dusted only thing to celebrate is getting back to Europe's premier competition

 

[Kianig89]

The problem is Arteta has his first 11 and has no faith with the rest on the bench. Some of the players mentally and physically have nothing left to give. Xhakha, Partey, Odegaard just couldn't compete yesteday and didn't provide the attackers with any service. Saka's levels have dropped in the last 4/5 games. It's only when Arteta made changes we actually started to play better. I hope Kiwior is given a chance in the next match or switch White to Centre Half. He has to start making changes.

I would have taken second at the start of the season but considering how rubbish the other teams have been and will improve next year. This was our best chance to win the league.

On amd off field Man City 2nd XI is ahead of Arsenal 1st XI

Akanji Laporte Dias Walker
Mahrez Gundogan Phillips Foden
Perrone Alcarez

 

[hitthestump]

Missing Saliba big time.

Once we get 5 good recruits in the summer we'll have a far stronger squad.
We're on the right path.

City are a) extremely good and b) have the resources to go deep. Meanwhile the Arsenal train has run out of steam before the finishing line.

To have the right amount of depth next season Arsenal need a CB, a RB, a RW and two CM's so you are correct in saying they need 5 players. It may even be 6 if Tierney is considered surplus to requirements.

You're also correct that this will signify progress but there are zero guarantees for a title. There is one simple reason for that and it applies to everyone.

The Premier League is Pep's world and the other 19 teams are just in it.

 

[Abdullah]

This did not look like no.1 playing against City, it was as if Lees were playing City lol. So much difference in class is apalling.

Anyways my team in Spain, Real Madrid will take care of City in Europe.

They shouldn't and they won't.
Heck even Chelsea have you guys a game at the bridge.
City could end it in the first leg

 

[Abdullah]

even with Saliba we would have got slapped tonight, our midfield was non-existant.

Partey has been shocking for last 4 games and the other 2 are over-rated and not title winning midfielders.

Partey being shocking is related to saliba unavailability.
The line has to be slightly lower when holding is playing and that leaves partey with too much ground to make up in the middle if the press isn't right, or beaten by intricate play or a long ball.
The smallest of margins make a difference here

 

[Amjid Javed]

Partey being shocking is related to saliba unavailability.
The line has to be slightly lower when holding is playing and that leaves partey with too much ground to make up in the middle if the press isn't right, or beaten by intricate play or a long ball.
The smallest of margins make a difference here

Partey has been poor most of this calender year, he's had one or two good performances (man utd, spurs games) otherwise he's been pretty mediocre and not to the standard he should be.

In regards to saliba, is he a big miss? Yes but I'm sorry our whole defence shouldn't fall apart as unit when he's missing. Arsenal as a defensive unit since after the world cup restart have not been great and have still conceded numerous goals and chances.

Would saliba in side made a difference maybe, but doesn't guarantee we would not have still conceded goals.

Since world cup restart Arsenal have conceded 2 goals or more in 9 games out of 18. That simply is not acceptable for a so called title winning defence. 5 clean sheets in that same time period.

Was the defence issues address by Arteta? No

Why is Rob holding still at the club? Arteta and edu have both had chances to sell him, but because he's seen as an honest squad player on a good wage he doesn't kick up a fuss.

Why was kiwor signed? The signings in the winter TW were to help with title challenge, why spend thar money on a player if he's not ready now? He was thrown in at anfield and then not used at any other time.

Why can't he play with Gabriel? Because Arteta has this fascination that everything has to be syncronized and only a right footed and left footed CB can play together.

He's a better idea and may come as a shock to Arteta. How about we buy and select player that can actually defend instead of this one CB has to be ball playing, one has to be right footed, one has to be left footed, full backs have to be inverted. I understand that concept of playing in a system but when one or two players are injured and you then don't pick players because they can't play if the system needs tweaking or you have no plan B that's on the manager.

We saw this when Arteta 1st joined he had a system reliant on Tierney, David Luiz and auba. Everything went down left side and when teams blocked it off there was no plan b.

But hey its ok give the manager a free pass and ignore he's tactically inept and can't cope when a few players are missing and no plan B.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Also to add to my previous post, last season Arsenal's defence was simply not good enough as a unit or in terms of depth.

Last season
Cedric (not good enough)
Tomiyasu (can't stay fit)
White
Holding (not good enough)
Gabriel
Tierney
Tavares (not good enough)

So this season what did Arsenal do to improve there defence?

Cedric (on loan) - good move he's not good enough
Saliba - good move only improvement in our squad defensively
Zinchenko - on pure defensively ability he is rubbish, he's defending no better than tavares. (Yes Zinchenko offers extra man in midfield) but let's talk about his primary role in the team.
Kiwor (clearly not ready to play)

So in reality Arsenal have brought in saliba in improve a previous mediocre defence. So yeah no wonder when he's injured we have fallen apart. That's all down to recruitment so those that are crying over the injury go ask arteta and edu why rest of defensive quality wasn't addressed

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal will win the league.

It is a shame that the fans have no faith in the team. They have no bottle, no courage.

It is a miracle that the lack of faith of the fans have not impacted the mindset of the players.

Arteta has done a brilliant job to ensure that the lack of belief of the fans have not demotivated the spirit of the players.

You cannot and will not win every game. When City won at the Emirates in February and went level with Arsenal, people thought that was it.

However, Arsenal responded by going on a winning streak and extended the lead while City dropped points.

These are not two points dropped - if you come back from Anfield without a defeat it is a good result.

Yes, there is disappointment because Arsenal were 2-0 up but Liverpool completely battered them in the second half and it could have easily finished 4-2 Liverpool.

Nonetheless, Arsenal’s fate is still in their own hands. They are in a better position than Man City and one final push will be enough to win the league.

It is one thing for rival fans to expect Arsenal fans to fall short, but it is very disappointing to see Arsenal fans showing no bottle whatsoever.

None of these fans deserve to celebrate the title win when Ødegaard lifts the trophy next month.

No set of fans of a title winning team have showed such lack of faith during the course of the season.

It has been pretty clear since December that Arsenal will go all the way and they will. The defining moment was when the World Cup break did not hurt the momentum of the team and they continued to fly without Jesus.

Those were the two major question marks until October-November: how would Arsenal respond to the World Cup break and how would Arsenal respond if any of the main players get injured. They answered both questions with aplomb.

Arsenal fans should be ashamed of themselves because even Leicester fans showed more bottle and faith during the 2016 run-in. Bunch of cowards.

All this talk about calling other fans bottlers and that the title is in the bag.

Surprise surprise you have gone into hiding again to avoid embarrassment.

People in glass houses shudnt throw stones.

 

[Amjid Javed]

The title race was settled when Arsenal took an 8 point lead in Dec-Jan, it gave them breathing space and the extra bit of cushion to absorb a dip in form and City improving their performance in the second half of the season.

Arsenal are too good a team this season to surrender an 8 point lead in the last 3-4 months of the season even if City do the double on them.

Here is my prediction for the remaining games - City are left with 9 matches and Arsenal are left with 8 matches.

City 7 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat = 89 points
Arsenal 6 wins, 1 draw, 1 defeat = 92 points

Arsenal will pip City to the title and rival fans will burn like hot coal on Eid barbecue while the Arsenal fans who have no bottle and wanted Arteta out will be left licking their wounds.

Amazing prediction as always, Arsenal can't throw an 8 point lead away? ***

Great prediction on Arsenal getting 92 points

Since this masterclass post Arsenal have drawn 2 and lost 1.

Let's see if you can take your humble pie like a man.

 

[Rana]

If United want to buy Kane

We can go for Rashford?

I recon we can snap him up for about £70M

 

[Amjid Javed]

If United want to buy Kane

We can go for Rashford?

I recon we can snap him up for about £70M

Arsenal were linked with rashford last season, when he wasn't getting much game time at united and he was doing all his off field charity stuff etc.. and struggling on the pitch.

Arsenal won't get him. Arsenal will sign another young striker, another one for future rather then an already proven player. This club won't learn with its transfer policy

 

[Technics 1210]

I know which posts I will be saving and bookmarking for later use!

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[IMMY69]

A manager or a sporting director cannot advocate for both Saliba and Tomiyasu getting injured at the same time.
Otherwise White could have been shifted to CB in Saliba's absence.

When the January transfer window opened they looked to strengthen in the areas where everyone was shouting to be strengthen. A midfielder as back up to Partey and another able to add goals in the absence of Jesus and back up to Nketiah. With January always being a difficult window, Chelsea splashing the cash, all in all we did some very good business in bringing in Trossard and the experienced Jorghino.

Go back to last summer, the manager has clearly worked hard with the first eleven players... they came back well drilled and looked a superb outfit until injuries and form crept in.

We know we have to strengthen in the summer so let's wait and see who they bring in and make a judgement at that time.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I know which posts I will be saving and bookmarking for later use!

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same ones as a few others will be using

 

[Amjid Javed]

A manager or a sporting director cannot advocate for both Saliba and Tomiyasu getting injured at the same time.
Otherwise White could have been shifted to CB in Saliba's absence.

When the January transfer window opened they looked to strengthen in the areas where everyone was shouting to be strengthen. A midfielder as back up to Partey and another able to add goals in the absence of Jesus and back up to Nketiah. With January always being a difficult window, Chelsea splashing the cash, all in all we did some very good business in bringing in Trossard and the experienced Jorghino.

Go back to last summer, the manager has clearly worked hard with the first eleven players... they came back well drilled and looked a superb outfit until injuries and form crept in.

We know we have to strengthen in the summer so let's wait and see who they bring in and make a judgement at that time.

You don't win titles just having just a good starting 11. Injuries are part of football, Tomiyasu has already shown in his short Arsenal career he cant stay fit, the guy missed most of the 2nd half of last season with a calf injury.

Arsenal had the summer TW and this one in the winter to address the squad depth and still managed to fail to do so with either mediocre signings or just retained mediocre players in the squad.

Oh we signed "experienced jorghino" where was he at Anfield? When we need experience in 2nd half?

Where was he in Southampton game when xhaka was injured?

An experienced signing who has hardly been used in high pressure situations. When he was supposedly signed for that exact reason.

Funny how you haven't mentioned Vieira and kiwior, werenr they suppose to provide squad depth? The new bernado Silva and polish beckenbauer

Just like last summer lakonga and tavares were suppose to provide squad depth.

Oh it's ok let's wait till summer as Edu hasn't had chance to address the lack of squad depth *

 

[IMMY69]

You don't win titles just having just a good starting 11. Injuries are part of football, Tomiyasu has already shown in his short Arsenal career he cant stay fit, the guy missed most of the 2nd half of last season with a calf injury.

Arsenal had the summer TW and this one in the winter to address the squad depth and still managed to fail to do so with either mediocre signings or just retained mediocre players in the squad.

Oh we signed "experienced jorghino" where was he at Anfield? When we need experience in 2nd half?

Where was he in Southampton game when xhaka was injured?

An experienced signing who has hardly been used in high pressure situations. When he was supposedly signed for that exact reason.

Funny how you haven't mentioned Vieira and kiwior, werenr they suppose to provide squad depth? The new bernado Silva and polish beckenbauer

Just like last summer lakonga and tavares were suppose to provide squad depth.

Oh it's ok let's wait till summer as Edu hasn't had chance to address the lack of squad depth &#55358;&#56611;&#55358;&#56614;*

look let me explain this in simple terms...

Last summer we had Ben White, Tomiyasu and Cedric and we had Saliba who just came back from a loan.
Saliba was always going to the first choice with White filling in in case something happened. We also had Hokding for the cup competitions.

Come January, we had two fit right backs, and a fit Salina and Holding.

I should have to explain anything more.
Logic doesn't seem to apply with you especially when your judgement is clouded by hatred.

I have told you to draw a line so please don't quote me again

 

[Amjid Javed]

look let me explain this in simple terms...

Last summer we had Ben White, Tomiyasu and Cedric and we had Saliba who just came back from a loan.
Saliba was always going to the first choice with White filling in in case something happened. We also had Hokding for the cup competitions.

Come January, we had two fit right backs, and a fit Salina and Holding.

I should have to explain anything more.
Logic doesn't seem to apply with you especially when your judgement is clouded by hatred.

I have told you to draw a line so please don't quote me again

Simple terms... your full of excuses. Let's see what the next ones are after the summer TW.

The fact that you mention holding as an option sums up my exact point retaining mediocre players.

Oh how did the cups go by the way? Were they a success.

I see you ignore my questions on Vieira and kiwior.

Also on jorghino being under used.

 

[Saj]

With the title all but gone, what interests neutrals like me is can Arsenal challenge Man City next season, especially with Newcastle having a lot of money to spend and improving their squad, Man Utd likely to strengthen and be stronger next season, Chelsea undoubtedly having a new manager and Liverpool looking to have a better season?

 

[Kroll]

I know which posts I will be saving and bookmarking for later use!

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I bet you were really worried though, NOT!

 

[Firebat]

With the title all but gone, what interests neutrals like me is can Arsenal challenge Man City next season, especially with Newcastle having a lot of money to spend and improving their squad, Man Utd likely to strengthen and be stronger next season, Chelsea undoubtedly having a new manager and Liverpool looking to have a better season?

I'm optimistic we will be fighting for the title and mounting a proper challenge, not just next season but for the next 3/4/5 seasons. Of course nothing is guaranteed, but it's the youngest squad in the league thus it stands to reason that they will only be getting better and improving, just as we saw from last year to this year. These experiences and failures should be hardening their mentality and teaching them many lessons. Being back in the CL now after many years will give an increased budget which will allow us to bolster the squad further. Logically, there's no reason why we will regress from here, but as I said nothing is guaranteed.

Many of these same things were said last year. "The league is so competitive, Arsenal will never get a better chance of getting back into top 4, United just had a one-off bad season, Chelsea and Spurs will kick on, Liverpool will be back at the top". It's deja-vu really.

We pushed an ATG juggernaut of a side right to the last 6/7 games. If we have a strong transfer window, I'm backing us to be back again and closer to success next time round, hopefully actually achieving it.

 

[Abdullah]

Partey has been poor most of this calender year, he's had one or two good performances (man utd, spurs games) otherwise he's been pretty mediocre and not to the standard he should be.

In regards to saliba, is he a big miss? Yes but I'm sorry our whole defence shouldn't fall apart as unit when he's missing. Arsenal as a defensive unit since after the world cup restart have not been great and have still conceded numerous goals and chances.

Would saliba in side made a difference maybe, but doesn't guarantee we would not have still conceded goals.

Since world cup restart Arsenal have conceded 2 goals or more in 9 games out of 18. That simply is not acceptable for a so called title winning defence. 5 clean sheets in that same time period.

Was the defence issues address by Arteta? No

Why is Rob holding still at the club? Arteta and edu have both had chances to sell him, but because he's seen as an honest squad player on a good wage he doesn't kick up a fuss.

Why was kiwor signed? The signings in the winter TW were to help with title challenge, why spend thar money on a player if he's not ready now? He was thrown in at anfield and then not used at any other time.

Why can't he play with Gabriel? Because Arteta has this fascination that everything has to be syncronized and only a right footed and left footed CB can play together.

He's a better idea and may come as a shock to Arteta. How about we buy and select player that can actually defend instead of this one CB has to be ball playing, one has to be right footed, one has to be left footed, full backs have to be inverted. I understand that concept of playing in a system but when one or two players are injured and you then don't pick players because they can't play if the system needs tweaking or you have no plan B that's on the manager.

We saw this when Arteta 1st joined he had a system reliant on Tierney, David Luiz and auba. Everything went down left side and when teams blocked it off there was no plan b.

But hey its ok give the manager a free pass and ignore he's tactically inept and can't cope when a few players are missing and no plan B.

Rob holding will be gone in the next part of squad development. He is there because Arsenal weren't planning to fight for the title. He is a 4th choice CB for a team hoping to get into top 4 and nothing more.

That basically proves that Arsenal are over achieving. The test for arteta is now because he has no excuse to not be contending with the next 2-3 signings

 

[Amjid Javed]

Unless Arteta magically learns a plan B or in proves his in game management in pressure games at end of season, Arsenal ain't going to achieve winning any major trophies.

Last season at spurs he sent the team out to be aggressive at WHL and it back fired big time.

This season he was clueless in 2nd half at anfield, west ham game and Southampton. Then turning up at the eithad and playing same way plain dumb.

Go back to 1988/89 when Arsenal played 4-4-2 all season and with 3 games to go, 2 point lead lost to Derby and drew vs Wimbledon as they were picked off for being to attacking.

This meant they had to go to anfield and win. Similar to City now, Liverpool were a juggernaut then and had won 13 out of 14 games going into a title decider.

Liverpools strength back then was there wingers and also playing on counter attack. What did George Graham do? In a game they had to win 2-0? He turned up and played with a sweep (o'leary) in which meant that Arsenal in defence had a back 5 and could stop liverpools wingers, also meant it was tough to counter Arsenal. Stayed in the game. Then in game management he brought two wingers on went to a 4-4-2 knowing they had to then get goals to win the game.

That's what you call a young manager in regards to experience using tactics to win a big game.

Mediocre managers on other hand get found out for using same plan A and praying for the best.

 

[pak4life]

According to edu and arteta they both decide and agree on players, so all this stuff about Arteta not trusting players, that's on him and edu.

3.5 years and this is now his team + the 10 players he inherited from when he took over and chose to keep.

So if you can't get best out of squad you have then clearly manager isn't up to the job

I wouldn't say his not up to the job. His making mistakes but pep has also made many mistakes in the past. The only concern is he seems to have the same stubborness as Wenger. Jesus is clearly not match fit and neighter is partey. At the moment his flogging a dead horse

 

[IMMY69]

I'm optimistic we will be fighting for the title and mounting a proper challenge, not just next season but for the next 3/4/5 seasons. Of course nothing is guaranteed, but it's the youngest squad in the league thus it stands to reason that they will only be getting better and improving, just as we saw from last year to this year. These experiences and failures should be hardening their mentality and teaching them many lessons. Being back in the CL now after many years will give an increased budget which will allow us to bolster the squad further. Logically, there's no reason why we will regress from here, but as I said nothing is guaranteed.

Many of these same things were said last year. "The league is so competitive, Arsenal will never get a better chance of getting back into top 4, United just had a one-off bad season, Chelsea and Spurs will kick on, Liverpool will be back at the top". It's deja-vu really.

We pushed an ATG juggernaut of a side right to the last 6/7 games. If we have a strong transfer window, I'm backing us to be back again and closer to success next time round, hopefully actually achieving it.

Absolutely.

Also the important thing is that the young players are buying into it which is why they are extending their contracts. So in theory, with some quality additions, we could be competing for several years to come.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I wouldn't say his not up to the job. His making mistakes but pep has also made many mistakes in the past. The only concern is he seems to have the same stubborness as Wenger. Jesus is clearly not match fit and neighter is partey. At the moment his flogging a dead horse

Wengers stubbornness tactically from 2010 was his downfall, that's why we kept getting hammered in big games. Pretty much turning up and playing one way and not adjusting or respecting the opposition. Difference is wenger had success playing that way previous and won trophies. Arteta hasn't done anything, so the stubbornness and no plan B is just plain dumb.

We will find out next season if Arteta is another brendon Rogers or actually slightly better

 

[Amjid Javed]

Saiba out for season, pretty obvious this was case few weeks ago and Arsenal just dragged it out. Get his operation done now..

 

[KingKhanWC]

Arsenal's fan base is made of glass it seems so brittle. The knives are already out for Arteta which is appalling, the guy literally brought Champions League football back to the club after some time so instead of relishing that we have our guns pointed at him.

For all the fans that are feeling really low at the moment please understand that some years back a certain Gerrard slipped against Chelsea that slip resulted in Liverpool bottling the title race. Imagine what the fans of Liverpool went through at that stage yet they stuck that difficult phase together and a season or so later they were crowned champions of the league. Similarly same set of Liverpool fans saw a certain Karius slipped through on 2 goals against Real Madrid in champions league final yet they again stuck together and didn't break as a result they won champions league a season or two later too.

The point is simple that yes we all agree that bottling the premiership race has been heartbreaking but to start calling our players and manager and sacrificing them as worthless is no good either.

None of the so called fans predicted Arsenal to be where they are today in the premier league at the start of the season. Now that they came close and likely not to win the league the same set of fans are demanding the resignation of the manager that took them further simply because he didn't meet their inflated demands of premiership which didn't even existed at the start of the year.

As an Arsenal fan we should simply cherish that our young players are getting exposure to stardom and important nerve wracking moments at such young ages which would benefit them immensely a year or two down the line.

A better comparison with Liverpool would be last season. We went to Etihad, had to win, played very well to secure a 2-2 draw. City then went on to win every game , as we did but lost the league by 1 point.

On the other hand Arsenal in a similar situation came out into the Etihad as scared kittens not title challengers.

At 1-0 down, Arsenal werent even pressing out of their own half, this made it so easy for City who were playing with them like a Sunday league team.

It was a poor performance when fighting for the title but not surprising as the Arsenal team is mentally shot.

The players and manager shouldnt have entertained winning the league, this was unneeded extra pressure but even so this team is nowhere near winning the Premier League, the quality of players are simply not good enough and the manager doesnt have the experience to deal with this situation.

 

[Amjid Javed]

A better comparison with Liverpool would be last season. We went to Etihad, had to win, played very well to secure a 2-2 draw. City then went on to win every game , as we did but lost the league by 1 point.

On the other hand Arsenal in a similar situation came out into the Etihad as scared kittens not title challengers.

At 1-0 down, Arsenal werent even pressing out of their own half, this made it so easy for City who were playing with them like a Sunday league team.

It was a poor performance when fighting for the title but not surprising as the Arsenal team is mentally shot.

The players and manager shouldnt have entertained winning the league, this was unneeded extra pressure but even so this team is nowhere near winning the Premier League, the quality of players are simply not good enough and the manager doesnt have the experience to deal with this situation.

Our midfield is a shambles, whilst against lesser sides it can do a job against the very best its found wanting.
Partey is our best player but you look at United and City they have better players in casemiro and Rodri.

Xhaka may have had a good season by his mediocre Arsenal career standards, hes got zero mobility against the very best sides and just becomes the passenger.

Finally Ghostddegard the captain, i said at start of season making a weakling who goes missing in tough away games is asking for trouble. Same has been proven again this season, he had a purple patch early on in season but when going got tough he disappears. in tough games your captain is the one who dicatates play or puts a few tough tackles in to get you physically back into the game. All our captain does is wave his hands at the crowd like some cheerleader or after the game comes out with speeches berating rest of team for not performing yet hes the one bottling out of challenges and dissapearing.

Unless Arsenal get a proper leader as a captain they aint going to get over the line in pressure situations.

We will see if Arteta is just the spanish brendon rogers or a slightly better version next season.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Our midfield is a shambles, whilst against lesser sides it can do a job against the very best its found wanting.
Partey is our best player but you look at United and City they have better players in casemiro and Rodri.

Xhaka may have had a good season by his mediocre Arsenal career standards, hes got zero mobility against the very best sides and just becomes the passenger.

Finally Ghostddegard the captain, i said at start of season making a weakling who goes missing in tough away games is asking for trouble. Same has been proven again this season, he had a purple patch early on in season but when going got tough he disappears. in tough games your captain is the one who dicatates play or puts a few tough tackles in to get you physically back into the game. All our captain does is wave his hands at the crowd like some cheerleader or after the game comes out with speeches berating rest of team for not performing yet hes the one bottling out of challenges and dissapearing.

Unless Arsenal get a proper leader as a captain they aint going to get over the line in pressure situations.

We will see if Arteta is just the spanish brendon rogers or a slightly better version next season.

Whatever players you have , there is no excuse for fighting hard, putting in strong challenges, pressing , using your physical to hound etc. The effort levels were very low and very poor.

TV, media and some Arsenal fans made this game to be some sort of great clash between two sides going for glory but we both knew this wouldn't be the case.

What has Arteta been buying? He has been given enough funds but seems to look for mediocre players, apart from 2-3 with potential? Arsenal have been lucky with little injuries, barring Saliba. Imagine if there were more injuries? The squad depth is on par with a middle table team.

Whats the vision for next year?

CL qualifying is great but Arsenal have no chance to win it. They must use to buy some real quality, proven winners and esp a goal scorer and a proper central defender.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Whatever players you have , there is no excuse for fighting hard, putting in strong challenges, pressing , using your physical to hound etc. The effort levels were very low and very poor.

TV, media and some Arsenal fans made this game to be some sort of great clash between two sides going for glory but we both knew this wouldn't be the case.

What has Arteta been buying? He has been given enough funds but seems to look for mediocre players, apart from 2-3 with potential? Arsenal have been lucky with little injuries, barring Saliba. Imagine if there were more injuries? The squad depth is on par with a middle table team.

Whats the vision for next year?

CL qualifying is great but Arsenal have no chance to win it. They must use to buy some real quality, proven winners and esp a goal scorer and a proper central defender.

You should know from my previous posts thar there should be no excuses from this team or manager. 3.5 years, 10 players still in squad from what he inherited when he took over, 500M spent, 21 players thats more then enough to build a team which should have finished top 4 with ease last year and should have put a better showing then chocking last few week this season.

Top 4 ain't a trophy but are loser fan base and fans like firebat, MIG, IMMY69 are celebrating like its end, that's the mediocrity that's accepted, because the club has lowered its standards.

Arteta and Edu won't be made accountable and in the summer. Edu will once again mess up when trying to sign 1st choice targets. An average of 130M a season spend in last 3 years, thats more than enough money. But when their is no accountability the TW will keep being hit and miss.

Arsenal need 5 players and they all need to be top class in TW, those signings ain't going to happen.

If Liverpool some how fix their midfield and united sign a world class striker and midfielder I can see both finishing above Arsenal next season.

Which will mean Arsenal fighting Newcastle for 4th.

Clubs vision next year will probably be top 4 again and make as much money in CL before getting knocked out. The usual excuses of over achieving, young team etc. Will be used next season as well.

Arsenal should be aiming to win titles. In 5 or 10 years no will remember this 2nd place finish.

 

[Kroll]

Arsenal should be aiming to win titles. In 5 or 10 years no will remember this 2nd place finish.

Don't worry, title is done and dusted for next year, Arteta is the greatest, it's in the bag.

 

[topspin]

Rumours are City are planning to buy Zinchenko to cover the void left by Cancelo.

If this move materialises I'm officially done with Arteta.

 

[topspin]

Our midfield is a shambles, whilst against lesser sides it can do a job against the very best its found wanting.
Partey is our best player but you look at United and City they have better players in casemiro and Rodri.

Xhaka may have had a good season by his mediocre Arsenal career standards, hes got zero mobility against the very best sides and just becomes the passenger.

Finally Ghostddegard the captain, i said at start of season making a weakling who goes missing in tough away games is asking for trouble. Same has been proven again this season, he had a purple patch early on in season but when going got tough he disappears. in tough games your captain is the one who dicatates play or puts a few tough tackles in to get you physically back into the game. All our captain does is wave his hands at the crowd like some cheerleader or after the game comes out with speeches berating rest of team for not performing yet hes the one bottling out of challenges and dissapearing.

Unless Arsenal get a proper leader as a captain they aint going to get over the line in pressure situations.

We will see if Arteta is just the spanish brendon rogers or a slightly better version next season.

Rice needs to be bought in to replace Partey.

Odegaard has been a good buy for Arsenal at £30m but the decision to make him captain is what annoys. It's made him undroppable when the truth is ESR (if he can stay fit) may have a higher ceiling than him.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Rumours are City are planning to buy Zinchenko to cover the void left by Cancelo.

If this move materialises I'm officially done with Arteta.

Zinchenko? Don't you mean Tierney?

But I agree if we sell Tierney to City *

 

[Amjid Javed]

Rice needs to be bought in to replace Partey.

Odegaard has been a good buy for Arsenal at £30m but the decision to make him captain is what annoys. It's made him undroppable when the truth is ESR (if he can stay fit) may have a higher ceiling than him.

I said this at start of season oddegard being an auto-pick would be a bad move, ESR was our best player last season.

Now we are being linked to Mason mount who is just as average as oddegard

 

[topspin]

Zinchenko? Don't you mean Tierney?

But I agree if we sell Tierney to City &#55358;&#56614;*

Apologies Tierney*

 

[Amjid Javed]

Apologies Tierney*

Selling Tierney is plain dumb and to either Newcastle or City would be another reason showing thar Arteta and edu don't know what they are doing

 

[topspin]

I said this at start of season oddegard being an auto-pick would be a bad move, ESR was our best player last season.

Now we are being linked to Mason mount who is just as average as oddegard

I do think Mason Mount is a good signing if he's available cheap due to his versatility. He won't be an automatic starter. He'll be good for the FA Cup, League Cup and any other games if we're hit with injuries.

His contract expires next year. If he wants to stay in London. We could convince Chelsea to sell him to us for as low as £10-12m.

However Edu should not be prioritising this signing. He should be putting his energy and time into marquee signings who can give us a more realistic chance of winning the title.

Having quality isn't good enough, we need strong minds and ideally those who know how to win.

 

[topspin]

Selling Tierney is plain dumb and to either Newcastle or City would be another reason showing thar Arteta and edu don't know what they are doing

If we lose Tierney, it would be disastrous because there's no way Zinchenko is going to survive next season. He's been found out. Imagine him against an European giant in the CL. He'll get destroyed against a good right winger.

Arteta needs to get a grip of his position. He's not a LB, he's a CAM. He would have done a better job than Xhaka in that position but no he has to find a way to accommodate them both because along with Odegaard, they are the 3 x golden boys in the Arsenal team.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I do think Mason Mount is a good signing if he's available cheap due to his versatility. He won't be an automatic starter. He'll be good for the FA Cup, League Cup and any other games if we're hit with injuries.

His contract expires next year. If he wants to stay in London. We could convince Chelsea to sell him to us for as low as £10-12m.

However Edu should not be prioritising this signing. He should be putting his energy and time into marquee signings who can give us a more realistic chance of winning the title.

Having quality isn't good enough, we need strong minds and ideally those who know how to win.

Rumours are we want a 6 (rice /Caicedo) and a 8 (mount / kudus)

I think club should just try and sign rice and caicedo, I think rice could easily play as a 8.

Also just goes to show what a waste of money Vieira is and your right it was a bad signing, as you said straight away he seemed garbage. It's these dumb decisions which then have to be fixed that means money which should be spend elsewhere is used to fix transfer mistakes.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If we lose Tierney, it would be disastrous because there's no way Zinchenko is going to survive next season. He's been found out. Imagine him against an European giant in the CL. He'll get destroyed against a good right winger.

Arteta needs to get a grip of his position. He's not a LB, he's a CAM. He would have done a better job than Xhaka in that position but no he has to find a way to accommodate them both because along with Odegaard, they are the 3 x golden boys in the Arsenal team.

Arteta is to stubborn and won't change it seems he wants inverted full backs and that's why he wants Ivan fresneda as he supposedly can play either side inverted.

We need defenders that can defend, but this stubborn and tactical ineptness at no plan B and keeping his golden boys in team will lead to his sacking eventually

 

[topspin]

Rumours are we want a 6 (rice /Caicedo) and a 8 (mount / kudus)

I think club should just try and sign rice and caicedo, I think rice could easily play as a 8.

Also just goes to show what a waste of money Vieira is and your right it was a bad signing, as you said straight away he seemed garbage. It's these dumb decisions which then have to be fixed that means money which should be spend elsewhere is used to fix transfer mistakes.

Along with Rice and Caicedo, if we can pull off Kudus that would be huge.

People laugh at Liverpool for spending so much on Nunez but he's shown glimpses of his potential.

Fabio Vieira, Nuno Tavares, Lokonga, Kiwior and Turner are all awful signings. As you say it costs more in the long run to fix these mistakes. There needs to be an end to signing this kind of player. None of these guys are worth more than £10m.

 

[topspin]

Arteta is to stubborn and won't change it seems he wants inverted full backs and that's why he wants Ivan fresneda as he supposedly can play either side inverted.

We need defenders that can defend, but this stubborn and tactical ineptness at no plan B and keeping his golden boys in team will lead to his sacking eventually

This Ivan Fresneda might be gifted but he's 18 years old. We need someone who's a bit more proven and established.

I don't understand why Trossard can't start ahead of Xhaka or even Fabio Vieira in that Southampton game, like seriously Mikel?

Inverted left backs who can't defend nor support the winger in front of them is a no win situation.