Arsenal FC | 2024/25 Season

[Amjid Javed]

I reckon if Arteta doesn't win the Title or champions league come end of the season, He will walk.

He's on 15M a year and has no pressure to win PL or CL, why would any leave a job being paid so much and performance doesn't matter

 

[Amjid Javed]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1853358187975479749

Good riddance, probably knew he was going to get sacked at somepoint.

Be excited by end of the window. In came Raheem Sterling

 

[MK7Z]

Good riddance, probably knew he was going to get sacked at somepoint.

Be excited by end of the window. In came Raheem Sterling

100% good riddance. Was pathetic at his job. Took him weeks to close any deal

 

[Amjid Javed]

100% good riddance. Was pathetic at his job. Took him weeks to close any deal

Only my opinion but I think 1 of two things has happened here

- Arteta has complained about players his been given and Edus recruitment in summer
- owners have seen sense for once and maybe we're going to make someone accountable for once, Edu has jumped before he was sacked. We saw this with wenger leaving early (when we all know the club were sacking him).

 

[aboveandbeyond]

He's on 15M a year and has no pressure to win PL or CL, why would any leave a job being paid so much and performance doesn't matter

How the Hell does he justify 15million a year.

 

[IMMY69]

Only my opinion but I think 1 of two things has happened here

- Arteta has complained about players his been given and Edus recruitment in summer
- owners have seen sense for once and maybe we're going to make someone accountable for once, Edu has jumped before he was sacked. We saw this with wenger leaving early (when we all know the club were sacking him).

Whatever the reason, its a good day for Arsenal Football Club

 

[IMMY69]

How the Hell does he justify 15million a year.

That figure surprised me too so I googled it.

Pep is by far the highest earner followed by Arteta who is on 10m and then, this really surprised me, Unai Emery is in third place...

 

[IMMY69]

^^
Klopp was second highest earner on 15M before he retired from the Liverpool job.
Ten Haag would have been third prior to his sacking...

Being a manager of a top 6 team pays well it seems

 

[Amjid Javed]

That figure surprised me too so I googled it.

Pep is by far the highest earner followed by Arteta who is on 10m and then, this really surprised me, Unai Emery is in third place...

Even 10M a year, for a manager that's achieved nothing.

 

[IMMY69]

Even 10M a year, for a manager that's achieved nothing.

Oh don't get me wrong, I think other then Pep, none of the other managers deserve so much.
But when you see Unai earning 8M then you have to just put it down to market forces.

I suppose anyone that comes to Arsenal, whether no matter their experience, is going to get 8-10m

 

[Amjid Javed]

Oh don't get me wrong, I think other then Pep, none of the other managers deserve so much.
But when you see Unai earning 8M then you have to just put it down to market forces.

I suppose anyone that comes to Arsenal, whether no matter their experience, is going to get 8-10m

Yeah I agree it looks like the going rate for PL managers is that bracket uve mentioned. The amount of TV money etc.. clubs get now the manager will be paid well. Espcially in comparison to rest of Europe. Problem is barring City, non of other owners push their managers to succeed and show ambition. So you end up high payed managers not under pressure to do well.

In every day life ur getting paid well and no pressure, you just work in your comfort zone.

 

[Mamoon]

As per reports, he has been spending a lot of time in Brazil so hopefully everything is fine with his family.

Edu has done an excellent job. The signings of Odegaard and Gabriel alone make him a success.

He has been a key figure in rebuilding the squad that has pushed Arsenal from a team struggling to stay in the top 6 to a team challenging for the title.

It will be interesting to see who the next Sporting Director will be.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

That figure surprised me too so I googled it.

Pep is by far the highest earner followed by Arteta who is on 10m and then, this really surprised me, Unai Emery is in third place...

To be honest though, even though the money is hugh, Pep somewhat demands it with his success.

Arteta, Ten hag on the other hand getting paid a kings ransom for little success.

 

[Mamoon]

To be honest though, even though the money is hugh, Pep somewhat demands it with his success.

Arteta, Ten hag on the other hand getting paid a kings ransom for little success.

It is completely stupid to compare Arteta and Ten Hag. Arteta is the reason why Arsenal is fighting for the title again and the same group of fans who used to celebrate top 4 like a trophy are now upset over not winning the league.

On the other hand, Ten Hag failed to help United progress. They are in the same situation now as they were in 2022 when he took over, no closer to winning the title.

He would still be in the job if he had done the job Arteta has done.

 

[MK7Z]

Only my opinion but I think 1 of two things has happened here

- Arteta has complained about players his been given and Edus recruitment in summer
- owners have seen sense for once and maybe we're going to make someone accountable for once, Edu has jumped before he was sacked. We saw this with wenger leaving early (when we all know the club were sacking him).

Ye. They'll let it seem like it's an honorable exit but anyone with common sense would be able to see its due to performance.

Good riddance.

We've not had anyone decent for a while. Since Mr Dein. Ivan Gazidis, Sven/Raul on top of my head. None were nothing but mouthpieces

 

[Amjid Javed]

Ye. They'll let it seem like it's an honorable exit but anyone with common sense would be able to see its due to performance.

Good riddance.

We've not had anyone decent for a while. Since Mr Dein. Ivan Gazidis, Sven/Raul on top of my head. None were nothing but mouthpieces

Don't remind of gazdis

"We moved to Emirates to compete with Madrid and Bayern"

Indeed a PR mouth piece.

Rumours coming out now are that Edu wanted to sign certain players. Arteta essentially over ruled him and got what he wanted in calafori and Merino.

In the press Edu and Arteta dressed up as they make joint decisions. But its looking like Arteta is pretty much getting his way with signings.

That doesn't distant from Edu being incompetent in his job

 

[IMMY69]

Yeah I agree it looks like the going rate for PL managers is that bracket uve mentioned. The amount of TV money etc.. clubs get now the manager will be paid well. Espcially in comparison to rest of Europe. Problem is barring City, non of other owners push their managers to succeed and show ambition. So you end up high payed managers not under pressure to do well.

In every day life ur getting paid well and no pressure, you just work in your comfort zone.

Pep is on 20m and would command that sort of figure from any club.
Imagine what a Saudi team would pay him

One thing is for sure, no matter what you pay Pep, he is a winner and won't compromise on team performances and I think this is where we will disagree. I think Arteta too is a pretty poor loser which is a good thing. Doubt he'll stay just for the money, he's trying to build his brand and winning trophies is the only thing that will enhance his brand

 

[Mamoon]

Pep only wants to work for the strongest clubs in Europe because his coaching philosophy is not suited for players who don’t have the talent to play at the top level. His salary is justified because he knows how to win things with great players.

The difference between him and Ancelotti is that the latter is a glorified cup manager with an embarrassing track record of winning league titles.

 

[MK7Z]

Don't remind of gazdis

"We moved to Emirates to compete with Madrid and Bayern"

Indeed a PR mouth piece.

Rumours coming out now are that Edu wanted to sign certain players. Arteta essentially over ruled him and got what he wanted in calafori and Merino.

In the press Edu and Arteta dressed up as they make joint decisions. But its looking like Arteta is pretty much getting his way with signings.

That doesn't distant from Edu being incompetent in his job

Begs the question who did Edu want to sign... Think it's all rumours. Main thing is he's gone.

Hopefully break the pattern of neglecting issues otherwise Mikel will be main culprit going forward.
I'll be honest I've not read the article just the headline.

Is he going straight away or will he be around for the January window?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Begs the question who did Edu want to sign... Think it's all rumours. Main thing is he's gone.

Hopefully break the pattern of neglecting issues otherwise Mikel will be main culprit going forward.
I'll be honest I've not read the article just the headline.

Is he going straight away or will he be around for the January window?

It doesn't give an indication on the date that he will be leaving, I would presume it would be soon.

Depends on who kronkes bring in now, also on who will be leading looking at January transfer signing (not that I think the club make any signings then anyways).

 

[KingKhanWC]

As per reports, he has been spending a lot of time in Brazil so hopefully everything is fine with his family.

Edu has done an excellent job. The signings of Odegaard and Gabriel alone make him a success.

He has been a key figure in rebuilding the squad that has pushed Arsenal from a team struggling to stay in the top 6 to a team challenging for the title.

It will be interesting to see who the next Sporting Director will be.

You’re 1-0 down & bring on a 17 year old to help equalise . It’s only November . This shows he didn’t do a great job .

Great news for Arsenal imo . Clearly the board met with the manager & staff demanding an explanation. Arteta obviously said the squad is too thin.

Now it’s crucial not to rush signings in January unless they are world class . A striker has to come in .

Inter Away is a tough away fixture . Arteta will keep playing his best xi . Don’t be surprised if more injuries are to come

 

[MK7Z]

You’re 1-0 down & bring on a 17 year old to help equalise . It’s only November . This shows he didn’t do a great job .

Great news for Arsenal imo . Clearly the board met with the manager & staff demanding an explanation. Arteta obviously said the squad is too thin.

Now it’s crucial not to rush signings in January unless they are world class . A striker has to come in .

Inter Away is a tough away fixture . Arteta will keep playing his best xi . Don’t be surprised if more injuries are to come

Injuries have been used as an excuse for the poor start. Barring the Liverpool game we should have still got points from the games we didn't. Bournemouth, Brighton, Newcastle.

Odegaard has been a massive miss but no serious team would fall apart like we have just because 1 player is injured. That stinks of mismanagement at all tiers.

Injuries can happen anytime. Our 2 main injuries were Saka and Odegaard both on international duty. Thats just bad luck. Merino breaking his arm in training. Again just bad luck. Tomiyasu is just an injury full stop.Calfiori keeps picking up niggles but that might be as a result of his ACL he had a couple of years back.

Injuries are part of the game but there should not be such a drop off just cos a player is injured. Yes naturally there will be a drop off cos of the quality of the player but not like we have seen Arsenal the last few weeks.

Hopefully now he is going the Brazilian clan barring Big Gabi will follow.

 

[Amjid Javed]

excellent job

Funny how uve used excuse that squad wasn't good enough when saliba got injured

Also uve thrown towel in this season. But the squad recruitment has been good?

 

[Amjid Javed]

You’re 1-0 down & bring on a 17 year old to help equalise . It’s only November . This shows he didn’t do a great job .

Great news for Arsenal imo . Clearly the board met with the manager & staff demanding an explanation. Arteta obviously said the squad is too thin.

Now it’s crucial not to rush signings in January unless they are world class . A striker has to come in .

Inter Away is a tough away fixture . Arteta will keep playing his best xi . Don’t be surprised if more injuries are to come

Arteta said the squad is thin?

Same useless manager that has a say in recruitment and personally asked for trash like lakonga, Vieira, Zinchenko, Jesus, havertz, calafori, Merino to name a few.

The poor squad assembly is on both Edu and Arteta. Edu is gone and if kronkes had sense they would sack Arteta as well. But the cost of sacking him and getting a better manager will cost them money they don't want to approve spending.

Yet another failed "process' under the clownkies

 

[Mamoon]

You’re 1-0 down & bring on a 17 year old to help equalise . It’s only November . This shows he didn’t do a great job .

Great news for Arsenal imo . Clearly the board met with the manager & staff demanding an explanation. Arteta obviously said the squad is too thin.

Now it’s crucial not to rush signings in January unless they are world class . A striker has to come in .

Inter Away is a tough away fixture . Arteta will keep playing his best xi . Don’t be surprised if more injuries are to come

I don’t need lectures from Liverpool fans. Arsenal finished well below Liverpool for years and in the last two seasons, the same Liverpool core have finished below Arsenal. This isn’t possible without good recruiting.

Only a fool would argue that you can go from 8th to 2nd without Technical/Sporting Directors doing a good job.

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta said the squad is thin?

Same useless manager that has a say in recruitment and personally asked for trash like lakonga, Vieira, Zinchenko, Jesus, havertz, calafori, Merino to name a few.

The poor squad assembly is on both Edu and Arteta. Edu is gone and if kronkes had sense they would sack Arteta as well. But the cost of sacking him and getting a better manager will cost them money they don't want to approve spending.

Yet another failed "process' under the clownkies

Yes this season is over but you can’t go from 8th to 2nd in a few years without good squad building. This “useless” manager is the reason why fans like you are dreaming of winning the PL again.

Every sporting director/manager makes bad signings. It is part of the job. However, overall, Arteta & Edu have done a brilliant job of taking the club where they are from where they were, but those who are only interested in driving toxic agendas will not understand.

 

[topspin]

I didn't get to watch the whole game yesterday because I was playing football (not in the Alum Rock Cab League), so I only watched the last 20 minutes.

When will Arteta learn that you can't play Merino as your number 10? If Nwaneri is your best option, let him start.

I think it's time to give Rice some rest. Let Partey play DM, Merino should play the number 8 role and Nwaneri should be our CAM.

The likes of Martinelli, Jesus and Trossard are not good enough to start for Arsenal. Jesus should have been sold in the summer.

We need to get rid of Edu asap. If Arsenal finish outside the top 4, then Arteta should also face the same fate.

I got my wish. Good riddance. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[topspin]

If Arsenal don't win PL or CL this season Arteta needs to go.

It shouldn't be based on finishing outside top 4.

He clearly doesn't trust Nwaneri to start PL, he will probably do what he dud in his 1st full season in charge, keep playing failing seniors till all is lost, then start playing youngsters.

Reason Arteta never learns? His jobs not on line and club has no ambition to win PL or CL, the pathetic transfer window showed that. It was a window designed to qualify for CL again.

Arteta manages Arsenal like its a computer game, try stupid and weird stuff, if it don't work press restart button and play again. Things won't change.

Apart from Saka, none of the rest of Arsenal's attacking options are good enough to win a PL or CL title at this club

Jesus, sterling are trash, Martinelli and trossard are now only good enough if they are back ups. "World class" havertz is just an overpaid utility player who had a golden patch. Anyone using excuse he's not playing in postion, I couldn't care less. Your on 300K a week so whether your asked to play striker, midfield, RB you don't dissapear or turn into a statue.

This season could be hugely damaging longterm because quite a few clubs could now overtake Arsenal or atleast catch them up from a competing point of view.

If Arsenal get less than 89 points, finish 2nd or lower and there is an upgrade available on Arteta, then yes he should be sacked.

Now that Edu is gone, I want to see what Arteta can do. Believe me the Brazilian ex-player was biggest fraud, who was the holding the club back. I want to see what Mikel can do with a competent sporting director who knows what to do in the summer transfer market.

 

[topspin]

Good riddance, probably knew he was going to get sacked at somepoint.

Be excited by end of the window. In came Raheem Sterling

100% good riddance. Was pathetic at his job. Took him weeks to close any deal

Whatever the reason, its a good day for Arsenal Football Club

Truer words have never been spoken.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If Arsenal get less than 89 points, finish 2nd or lower and there is an upgrade available on Arteta, then yes he should be sacked.

Now that Edu is gone, I want to see what Arteta can do. Believe me the Brazilian ex-player was biggest fraud, who was the holding the club back. I want to see what Mikel can do with a competent sporting director who knows what to do in the summer transfer market.

One of reasons Edu is going is because Arteta got his way on a lot of transfers. Likes of Jesus, Vieira, Zinchenko, lakonga, jorghino, sterling, Merino, havertz, calafori were ones Arteta personally asked for.

Edu was bad at his job, but let's not pretend Arteta isn't also at fault here. He's wanted a lot of players he's work with before or failing players that he things he could improve as some sort of miracle worker.

 

[IMMY69]

One of reasons Edu is going is because Arteta got his way on a lot of transfers. Likes of Jesus, Vieira, Zinchenko, lakonga, jorghino, sterling, Merino, havertz, calafori were ones Arteta personally asked for.

Edu was bad at his job, but let's not pretend Arteta isn't also at fault here. He's wanted a lot of players he's work with before or failing players that he things he could improve as some sort of miracle worker.

What this stuff about the Marynakis group I'm hearing? Any truth in this?

 

[MK7Z]

What this stuff about the Marynakis group I'm hearing? Any truth in this?

Ye. Its the Big Greek dude who runs Forest. Guys is minted and Edu will over see all the clubs he owns. Think its 3.

He's dude the who came on pitch last season when Forest conceded late haha.

But Yeah looks like Edu is getting way more money. I for one couldn't care less the reason he is leaving. I don't think he has done a good job especially this season. Its easy to say Mikel insisted on players but then if you are getting over-ruled whats your role?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1853760853293859306

 

[Amjid Javed]

What this stuff about the Marynakis group I'm hearing? Any truth in this?

Yeah he's leaving as he's getting 3 tines what he's on at Arsenal, plus he knew that he at somepoint he was getting fired at Arsenal

On a side note, all this stuff about Edu dealing with family stuff in Brazil. This is a guy who spent most of Transfer windows on holiday, light bbqs and then actually doing his job.

 

[Mamoon]

Under Edu, Arsenal went from struggling to stay in the top 6 to going toe to toe with Man City for the Premier League, while spending less money than Chelsea, United and even City in the same period.

Under Edu, Arsenal finished above a title winning Liverpool squad twice, same Liverpool squad that used to finish several positions above Arsenal.

You cannot go through the progression that Arsenal did under Arteta without the Technical/Sporting Director doing a good job with squad building.

Same Edu who apparently couldn’t pull off a big transfer bodied City in the Rice deal.

Edu has made some mistakes too, all executives do. It is the nature of the job. However, he did more good than bad otherwise, Arsenal wouldn’t have progressed the way they have in the last few years.

Arsenal’s rise is all the evidence anyone needs about the work that he did. He did an A grade job.

 

[MK7Z]

Under Edu, Arsenal went from struggling to stay in the top 6 to going toe to toe with Man City for the Premier League, while spending less money than Chelsea, United and even City in the same period.

Under Edu, Arsenal finished above a title winning Liverpool squad twice, same Liverpool squad that used to finish several positions above Arsenal.

You cannot go through the progression that Arsenal did under Arteta without the Technical/Sporting Director doing a good job with squad building.

Same Edu who apparently couldn’t pull off a big transfer bodied City in the Rice deal.

Edu has made some mistakes too, all executives do. It is the nature of the job. However, he did more good than bad otherwise, Arsenal wouldn’t have progressed the way they have in the last few years.

Arsenal’s rise is all the evidence anyone needs about the work that he did. He did an A grade job.

Did he do a good job this season though? Ok he can share credit for bringing us back to the conversation for the PL but.

I mean this summer only. The season we had to kick on and make the moves that will improve the small margins. Did he perform? If the answer is not then that alone is enough to be given the boot.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Have a look at the transfer window when Arsenal were top before the world cup break.

We went and signed trossard, jorghino and kiwor. Those signings were never going to win Arsenal a title, they were signings to secure top 4

Same goes for the bakwas window we've just had now.

All Edu's incompetence did was to try secure top 4, yet he ran his mouth like we were a big club. Go look at his interviews after each window, it's clear neither him or the kronkes had ambition to win titles.

It's only now most people are seeing through this failed project

 

[Amjid Javed]

Funny how a certain poster has thrown towel in early. But won't dare call Edu or Arteta out for their failures

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don’t need lectures from Liverpool fans. Arsenal finished well below Liverpool for years and in the last two seasons, the same Liverpool core have finished below Arsenal. This isn’t possible without good recruiting.

Only a fool would argue that you can go from 8th to 2nd without Technical/Sporting Directors doing a good job.

Liverpool were transitioning after winning it all .

You need to look where you are at now. Last two seasons you had little injuries, relied on your first xi . Only a poor director in charge of squad depth wouldn’t see this coming .

Arsenal play Inter away tonight . The players already look worn out but can’t be rested . Imo there is no need to risk further injuries so play your fittest xi. Losing to inter is better than losing to Chelsea .

2 weeks ago you were predicting a title winning season , suddenly you writ it off like Kamala Harris campaign?

Arteta has to earn his wages now . January window is huge , he must spend wisely & improve . Anything less than 3rd & winning no trophies could see him lose his job . Writing the season off is writing off your boy , Michael .

 

[KingKhanWC]

Arsenal and City are equally good now, the points table last season and their H2H results show that.

This is down to the brilliance of Arteta. After coming so close twice, you have to back him to do on the third attempt because Arsenal will even stronger this season.

I expect Arsenal to win the league and even if they don’t, they will still finish above Liverpool.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Towel thrown in, rotten eggs and tomatoes been thrown at him.

Still in denial, think edu and Arteta have done a good job

 

[Amjid Javed]

So now a good job Is

- spending less money then united and Chelsea, but those clubs winning more trophies
- finishing above Liverpool a couple of times

this sums up the fan base, the owners, edu and Arteta as these are so called standards this club is happy with.

 

[KingKhanWC]

1-0 HT

Arsenal have struggled in 2nd half recently. Need something special here to salvage a point or 3 .

 

[topspin]

I thought Arsenal played alright. They were badly let down by the usual suspects, Martinelli and Trossard. Neither of them are good enough to start for this team. End product has been poor.

The penalty was so soft and really harsh on Arsenal.

Arsenal did put a lot of deliveries into Inter's box but they turned up and produced a 10/10 defensive masterclass. Credit where due.

The only way we were going to score was from some individual brilliance. If we can play like that against Chelsea, we should be able to beat them.

Good to see Ode back.

 

[BouncerGuy]

'We were harshly done by' - but how much have Arsenal missed Odegaard?

Arsenal put up a valiant fight in Milan on Wednesday but ultimately it was another disappointing result in what is proving a tough spell for the Gunners.

Three games without a win in the Premier League has seen their title challenge falter as they now sit seven points behind leaders Liverpool.

And now, their strong form in Europe has also taken a hit as they suffered their first loss in this season's Champions League to Inter at the San Siro.

They will understandably feel aggreived they came away with nothing to show for a battling second-half display, with a controversial penalty on the stroke of half-time proving decisive.

Arsenal's Mikel Merino was punished for handball, despite there being little he could do to get out of the way of a flick-on from a corner.

But it wasn't the only decision that frustrated Gunners boss Mikel Arteta, who also felt Merino had been punched by Inter goalkeeper Yann Sommer when he tried to claim a cross.

"We were very harshly done by in the sense that is obvious - both penalties," Arteta told TNT Sports.

"If you are going to give a penalty, the other one has to be because he punches him in the head.

"There is no deflection, nothing you can do in the box, so can he get away from it? If he is going to give that the other has to be 100% a penalty."

Why was 'harsh' penalty awarded?

The decisive moment in the match came seconds before half-time when a penalty was awarded after Mehdi Taremi's flick on from a corner struck Merino on the hand.

It was a decision that perhaps would not have been awarded in the Premier League, with referees having moved away from awarding "soft penalties" from this season onwards.

"Our approach regarding handball, there’s only a slight change and tweak into where we’re going with that,” former referee Kevin Friend revealed ahead of the season., external

“We saw some soft penalties last season for handball. So we’re basically looking for examples where it clearly hits the arm unjustifiably, with hands above the head, or away from the body to deliberately block the ball coming into the box or going into goal.”

That differs from rules in Uefa competitions, and that variation left pundits frustrated on Wednesday.

Former Arsenal defender Martin Keown said on TNT Sports: "Is the arm in an unnatural position? It isn’t. We have that debate again and it is ruining the game.

"It is fine margins, I don’t believe it is a penalty. The unnatural rule, who is making those rules? Have they played the game?"

Ex-Gunners defender Matt Upson added on BBC Radio 5 live: "It does my head in the way they apply that law in Europe.

"We are miles ahead of that in the Premier League, the referees have the understanding of proximity, the speed of the ball and all those things were tick, tick.

"It is just a bit of common sense."

As for the incident involving Merino and Sommer at the other end of the pitch, former Arsenal forward Theo Walcott said on Match of the Day: "Merino gets in a good position and [Yann] Sommer comes and physically punches him.

"He's very unfortunate not to get the penalty and Arsenal were a bit unlucky."

Arsenal's tough run continues - the statistics

While Arsenal fans will feel aggreived by the decision to award the decisive penalty, the loss extends a concerning run of statistics:

• Arsenal have lost three of their last six games in all competitions (W2 D1), as many as their previous 32 beforehand (W24 D5 L3).
• The Gunners have also lost successive away matches for the first time since November 2023.
• Arsenal are without a win in their last five away games in the Champions League (D2 L3), their longest winless run on the road in the competition since February 2005 (also 5).
• The Gunners have also failed to score at all in their last four such away games.

'Creativity not there' - how much have Arsenal missed Odegaard?

But despite the defeat, there were still some positive signs that the Gunners will soon come out of this frustrating run of form.

They were by far the better side in the second half at the San Siro with Kai Havertz twice denied - first by a fantastic save from Sommer and second by a superb block in front of goal.

There was also the return of Martin Odegaard. The Arsenal captain has been out with an ankle injury since the end of August but came on for the final few minutes of stoppage time.

While his introduction was too late to influence the outcome of the match, it bodes well for the midfielder being more involved in Sunday's crucial Premier League game with Chelsea.

Odegaard's influence for Arsenal is clear, with the below table highlighting just how much more likely the Gunners are to win in the Premier League with him in their side compared to without him.

Odegaard's influence

Without Odegaard Arsenal clearly miss a spark of creativity. Against Inter they fired 46 crosses into the box but none of them proved effective.

They also attempted 20 shots in the match, their most without scoring in a single Champions League fixture since November 2006 against CSKA Moscow (23).

Former Manchester United defender Rio Ferdinand said: "It's hugely frustrating - 46 crosses is the second most in the Champions League this season but the creativity, the imagination was not there.

"Odegaard has that little bit of imagination. Too often it was slung into the box without any idea.

"The quality Odegaard brings, the calmness the assuredness, the final pass. Those qualities are what set you apart and make you a great team."

BBC

 

[Amjid Javed]

Wow, what an amazing performance from mikel Pulis Alladyce team last night. If anyone didn't fall asleep after that shower of , then you have issues.

Round of applause for Edu because according to one poster, he's put together an amazing squad , the whole of Europe Is scared of Arsenal

Another amazing performance from highest paid player at club. Remember the abuse Auba and ozil got for having stinkers on high wages. Is same energy going to be used here?

But but he's better then haaland if you don't count penalties

But but he's in the top 10 strikers in the world

But but he was misused at Chelsea

But but mikel Allaydyce will turn him into prime Kevin Nolan

But but he wasn't as bad as Martinelli and trossard

Porto 1-0 Arsenal
Bayern 1-0 Arsenal
Atlanta 0-0 Arsenal
Inter 1-0 Arsenal

But but Arsenal don't need a striker because it will mean world class havertz will be on the bench

Yet another dose of reality for the fan base

 

[Mamoon]

Liverpool were transitioning after winning it all .

You need to look where you are at now. Last two seasons you had little injuries, relied on your first xi . Only a poor director in charge of squad depth wouldn’t see this coming .

Arsenal play Inter away tonight . The players already look worn out but can’t be rested . Imo there is no need to risk further injuries so play your fittest xi. Losing to inter is better than losing to Chelsea .

2 weeks ago you were predicting a title winning season , suddenly you writ it off like Kamala Harris campaign?

Arteta has to earn his wages now . January window is huge , he must spend wisely & improve . Anything less than 3rd & winning no trophies could see him lose his job . Writing the season off is writing off your boy , Michael .

There was no transition. The core of the squad that won the PL and the CL remained intact except the departure of Mane.

 

[Mamoon]

This season is dead so I don’t know why people are fixating on the results. Just get to May and then reassess the squad.

Main objective right now is to replace Edu after thinking him for his great service and have the new guy in early so that he can work on signings ASAP.

The main target for next summer should be to replace Martinelli and Jesus and get a young, technical midfielder with athleticism.

Of course, convincing Saliba to resist the temptation of Real Madrid is hugely important as well.

 

[Amjid Javed]

December 2023 - but but Arteta will win 2 PL titles in next 3 years

 

[Amjid Javed]

Edu - be excited by end of the window

But but Arteta worked with Sterling at Man city

sterling was misused at Chelsea

His experience as back up to saka will help

Now sterling isn't even trusted by the manager that personally asked for the signing

But but Arteta and edu have rebuilt the club

But but Arteta is best younger manager in world

I said at start of season, this would be a reality check and exposing of this process

5 years in job in 3 weeks time trust the process guys. Be positive

 

[Amjid Javed]

Anyone wanted to explain why we signed mikel merino? (im not talking about the penalty decision here), yet another clueless performance.

Granit xhaka from wish

He will unlock Martinelli

He's sociedads best fielder

I'd take him back at Newcastle

But but Arteta personally asked for him

 

[SpiritOf1903]

They're look cooked. Happened to Liverpool twice in their third season. They just need to finish top 4 and recalibrate next season
.

Buy a striker for one. If they find some fluency come January the Champions League is very winnable

 

[shaz619]

 

[Amjid Javed]

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Watching netflix is miles better than this phase 5

Even Burnley, Stoke and Bolton fans would find Arteta ball boring

 

[aboveandbeyond]

This season is dead so I don’t know why people are fixating on the results. Just get to May and then reassess the squad.

Main objective right now is to replace Edu after thinking him for his great service and have the new guy in early so that he can work on signings ASAP.

The main target for next summer should be to replace Martinelli and Jesus and get a young, technical midfielder with athleticism.

Of course, convincing Saliba to resist the temptation of Real Madrid is hugely important as well.

Arsenal to progress. Kronkes yes MSN has to go. Its simple.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This season is dead so I don’t know why people are fixating on the results. Just get to May and then reassess the squad.

Main objective right now is to replace Edu after thinking him for his great service and have the new guy in early so that he can work on signings ASAP.

The main target for next summer should be to replace Martinelli and Jesus and get a young, technical midfielder with athleticism.

Of course, convincing Saliba to resist the temptation of Real Madrid is hugely important as well.

Why is this season dead when 3/4 of the seasons remain ?

You claimed Arteta is one if the best managers in the world. Yet you’ve decided he’s failed already ? Again it you’re writing off the season, you’re writing off Arteta ??

 

[KingKhanWC]

Watching netflix is miles better than this phase 5

Even Burnley, Stoke and Bolton fans would find Arteta ball boring

Inter knew if they take the lead , they can play their natural defensive Italian style & see it out comfortably . Arteta thinks he can win matches by set pieces. ?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Inter knew if they take the lead , they can play their natural defensive Italian style & see it out comfortably . Arteta thinks he can win matches by set pieces. ?

Arteta has used similar line ups vs Bournemouth, Newcastle and inter and looked toothless. The lack of tactical intelligence isn't a shock.

One poster claiming Arteta is best young manager in world

Arteta will win 2 titles in next 3 years.

Now he's thrown towel in.

Imagine doing all that hype and now saying season is dead.

Will he be man enough to call Arteta out for failure?

No chance, because all his essays, love letters and bhangra over Arteta in last 5 years will mean personal humiliation

 

[MK7Z]

Had a great time at the WWE event.

Seems like I didn't miss anything. Saw the penalty shouts and can count ourselves unlucky with those however the underlying issue of not being able to score seems obvious.

Was always going to be the case when you don't have a proper striker...

 

[Amjid Javed]

Had a great time at the WWE event.

Seems like I didn't miss anything. Saw the penalty shouts and can count ourselves unlucky with those however the underlying issue of not being able to score seems obvious.

Was always going to be the case when you don't have a proper striker...

Glad you and kids enjoyed WWE, you probably saw more excitement at that event then the 90 minute bore feast of phase 5 haram football last night

 

[Mamoon]

Why is this season dead when 3/4 of the seasons remain ?

You claimed Arteta is one if the best managers in the world. Yet you’ve decided he’s failed already ? Again it you’re writing off the season, you’re writing off Arteta ??

These things happen in football. Arsenal under Arteta have consistently improved every season and increased their points tally. At some point, they were going to dip before they rise again.

Klopp produced two embarrassing seasons in 2020-21 and 2022-23 with Liverpool teams that were capable of winning the league. It is part of football.

This season is dead because Arsenal have lost a lot of ground in the title race already and more than that, some of the players in the squad have run their course and need replacing in the summer.

The likes of Martinelli and Jesus are finished at this club and it pains me to say this because I love him as a player, but it seems like Arsenal have extracted as much juice from Trossard as they could have and he would also need replacing.

I understand that he is playing out of position but he can’t do the basics anymore and is proving a hindrance unless he gets on the scoresheet.

Sterling loan also didn’t work out, so he will be sent back. Jury is out on Merino. He has been rubbish so far but his real value or lack of value will be gauged once Odegaard is back.

Arteta has a big job on his hands to galvanize the squad for next season and this is why it is important to get the new Sporting Director onboarded as soon as possible so that he can start working on the deals before the Summer window.

 

[KingKhanWC]

These things happen in football. Arsenal under Arteta have consistently improved every season and increased their points tally. At some point, they were going to dip before they rise again.

Klopp produced two embarrassing seasons in 2020-21 and 2022-23 with Liverpool teams that were capable of winning the league. It is part of football.

This season is dead because Arsenal have lost a lot of ground in the title race already and more than that, some of the players in the squad have run their course and need replacing in the summer.

The likes of Martinelli and Jesus are finished at this club and it pains me to say this because I love him as a player, but it seems like Arsenal have extracted as much juice from Trossard as they could have and he would also need replacing.

I understand that he is playing out of position but he can’t do the basics anymore and is proving a hindrance unless he gets on the scoresheet.

Sterling loan also didn’t work out, so he will be sent back. Jury is out on Merino. He has been rubbish so far but his real value or lack of value will be gauged once Odegaard is back.

Arteta has a big job on his hands to galvanize the squad for next season and this is why it is important to get the new Sporting Director onboarded as soon as possible so that he can start working on the deals before the Summer window.

Eventually it’s the responsibility of the manager .

Placing blame on a poor start is also placing blame on the manager . The loyalty is always to the club , not any manager or player .

Arteta is failing to find a solution to the attacking side of the team. He’s juggling around players in hope , rather than seeing a path to score .

Artetas comments after the Newcastle game were alluding to him feeling Arsenal should have won . He feels obliged & has little options to pick new players into the xi, which is strange considering he bought in a £100k attacker he won’t bring on as a sub when behind ?

Any true supporter of Arsenal has to admit the manager is making a real mess of this team . Liverpool had won it all & declined . If Arteta was in the same position sure give him a year off but hes had time & resources. I’m not sure he will again come close to delivering Arsenal a league title, something which this club should be winning .

 

[Amjid Javed]

Excuses out early

 

[shaz619]

Eventually it’s the responsibility of the manager .

Placing blame on a poor start is also placing blame on the manager . The loyalty is always to the club , not any manager or player .

Arteta is failing to find a solution to the attacking side of the team. He’s juggling around players in hope , rather than seeing a path to score .

Artetas comments after the Newcastle game were alluding to him feeling Arsenal should have won . He feels obliged & has little options to pick new players into the xi, which is strange considering he bought in a £100k attacker he won’t bring on as a sub when behind ?

Any true supporter of Arsenal has to admit the manager is making a real mess of this team . Liverpool had won it all & declined . If Arteta was in the same position sure give him a year off but hes had time & resources. I’m not sure he will again come close to delivering Arsenal a league title, something which this club should be winning .

He would never be given this long anywhere else, but perhaps this is what the management is happy with as always, a top 4 finish for Arsenal.

I think they all need to hit the reset button, heck maybe Arteta would have better success elsewhere.

The system they have in place doesn’t really create high level results, LFC are doing well even without Klopp.

 

[MK7Z]

Glad you and kids enjoyed WWE, you probably saw more excitement at that event then the 90 minute bore feast of phase 5 haram football last night

Thanks fella.

Watching Hulk Hogan and Vince going at it in their 80s is more exciting than Arsenal at the moment

Looked at lineups and subs were poor timing to.

 

[Amjid Javed]

He would never be given this long anywhere else, but perhaps this is what the management is happy with as always, a top 4 finish for Arsenal.

I think they all need to hit the reset button, heck maybe Arteta would have better success elsewhere.

The system they have in place doesn’t really create high level results, LFC are doing well even without Klopp.

100% spot on, Kroenkes only ever wanted a return to CL, for money purposes and so they can continue woth their self sustaining model which never yield longterm "sustained" sucsess

 

[Mamoon]

If Kroenke’s only wanted to return to the UCL, they wouldn’t have sacked Emery and wouldn’t have allowed Edu to buy a midfielder for £105m.

 

[MK7Z]

If Kroenke’s only wanted to return to the UCL, they wouldn’t have sacked Emery and wouldn’t have allowed Edu to buy a midfielder for £105m.

I asked earlier in the thread bro. May have missed your reply.

What did they do this transfer window gone that makes you think they are ambitious and wanted to do what it takes to win the title this season?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Once in a while the club signs a marquee player ozil, sanchez, partey, Rice and that's supposed ambition?

All clubs have more revenue through TV money. So let's not make out as though a single 100M signing is change of tact. Even brighton have started to spend more.

The fact the club were more interested in making a profit this summer says it.

Funny how uve thrown towel in, yet the delusionist in you see defends the kronkes, edu and mikel Pulis-allaydyce

 

[Amjid Javed]

Thanks fella.

Watching Hulk Hogan and Vince going at it in their 80s is more exciting than Arsenal at the moment

Looked at lineups and subs were poor timing to.

80s and in particular late 90s WWE was peak entertainment

 

[Amjid Javed]

I asked earlier in the thread bro. May have missed your reply.

What did they do this transfer window gone that makes you think they are ambitious and wanted to do what it takes to win the title this season?

Can't wait to see what excuses he comes up with.

All summer he went on about how we only needed a back up striker etc..

When the fan base has low standards for signings, it shows the lack of Ambition of the kronkes had rubbed off on them

 

[Mamoon]

I asked earlier in the thread bro. May have missed your reply.

What did they do this transfer window gone that makes you think they are ambitious and wanted to do what it takes to win the title this season?

The owners have spent more than enough money to put Arsenal on the map as a major force in English football. There has been a shift in policy since the Kroenke’s assumed full ownership in 2018.

Owners that lack ambition will not sack a manager who was only result away from making top 4 in his first season, neither will they approve spending £100m on a single player let alone a DM.

I’m not sure why the Kroenke’s are copping criticism here when Edu & Arteta have been fully backed in the market? Do you think they would have said no to Gyokeres or any other high profile signing in the summer?

Do you think they blocked Arsenal from making big signings this summer? Certainly not.

Arsenal didn’t make marquee signings in the summer of 2024 because the club finished with a record-breaking 89 points and were only two points shy of City, so the idea was that no major overhaul was required and you don’t fix what is not broken.

Gyokeres wasn’t signed not because the owners didn’t allow Edu and Arteta but because they wanted to continue with Havertz as the main man upfront.

Similarly, there was genuine interest in Sesko and N. Williams but they didn’t want to come. It wasn’t a budget issue.

I agree that last summer wasn’t ideal. The likes of Jesus and Martinelli should have been upgraded on, but it is not on the owners.

 

[MK7Z]

The owners have spent more than enough money to put Arsenal on the map as a major force in English football. There has been a shift in policy since the Kroenke’s assumed full ownership in 2018.

Owners that lack ambition will not sack a manager who was only result away from making top 4 in his first season, neither will they approve spending £100m on a single player let alone a DM.

I’m not sure why the Kroenke’s are copping criticism here when Edu & Arteta have been fully backed in the market? Do you think they would have said no to Gyokeres or any other high profile signing in the summer?

Do you think they blocked Arsenal from making big signings this summer? Certainly not.

Arsenal didn’t make marquee signings in the summer of 2024 because the club finished with a record-breaking 89 points and were only two points shy of City, so the idea was that no major overhaul was required and you don’t fix what is not broken.

Gyokeres wasn’t signed not because the owners didn’t allow Edu and Arteta but because they wanted to continue with Havertz as the main man upfront.

Similarly, there was genuine interest in Sesko and N. Williams but they didn’t want to come. It wasn’t a budget issue.

I agree that last summer wasn’t ideal. The likes of Jesus and Martinelli should have been upgraded on, but it is not on the owner

OK so you agree there has been neglect during this summer window. If it's not the owners then it's Edu and Arteta?

To not get a front man was gross neglect. No sugar coating past signings will change that.

 

[topspin]

Imagine if this was Havertz. He'd be slaughtered left, right and centre by some of our fans.

 

[topspin]

Arsenal must do everything to sign Gyokeres. I wish we went him for in the summer. I think he'll end up going to Man U to reunite with Amorim at Man U.

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[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal must do everything to sign Gyokeres. I wish we went him for in the summer. I think he'll end up going to Man U to reunite with Amorim at Man U.

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Why do we need Gyokeres? We have world class havertz? One of top strikers in world?

Look at the amazing world class performances vs Bolton and Preston this season.

We will just ignore the big PL games, we can ignore the CL games as well, as they don't matter. You don't need to perform in those to be world class when it comes to Germanys greatest ever player.

If you counter argument is going to be a comparison with a haaland goal drought then that's weak. Haaland goal overall record in PL and CL is another level compared to the German donkey.

 

[Amjid Javed]

So as expected the excuse for not trying to close gap on Man city by strengthing the squad was because we have "havertz" and we were only "2 points" behind.

That idiotic thinking is why Arsenal will keep falling short of the major trophies.

but but we have thrown towel in, cancel the seaaon.

But but the kronkes, edu and Arteta arent to blame.

But but its just a blip.. it happened to Liverpool as well..

 

[Amjid Javed]

OK so you agree there has been neglect during this summer window. If it's not the owners then it's Edu and Arteta?

To not get a front man was gross neglect. No sugar coating past signings will change that.

No one is to blame here. Its just a blip, same thing happened to Liverpool.

This is what happened when fans over hype the team then when reality hits they pedal the excuses out but don't have the guts to call anyone at club out.

 

[Mamoon]

OK so you agree there has been neglect during this summer window. If it's not the owners then it's Edu and Arteta?

To not get a front man was gross neglect. No sugar coating past signings will change that.

I think that it was clear by the end of last season that some players had ran their course and should have been upgraded on. Also, Fabio Vieira should have stayed and if not, a replacement should have been brought in.

 

[Amjid Javed]

- So players ran their course
- no replacement for ESR or Vieira

Who is to blame for poor transfer window edu, kronkes or pullis-allydayce?

You keep avoid advising who is to blame here?

No one cares about your politician answers