Arsenal FC | 2024/25 Season

[Amjid Javed]

There are alternatives. Its not my job to pick him. The point I am making is that it will come to a point where Mikel has taken us as far as he can and a change will be required. Are you suggesting Mikel to be manager forever?

Same thing happened with Wenger it was always who is there? Pep, Klopp were available during that time and fresh approach may work with us now to as the players we have are good enough. Just need to get over the line and Mikel has had his chances.

This guys in full denia mode.

It's like when a child finds out santa claus, tooth fairy and Easter bunny aren't real.

The excuse that their no alternatives or no one can take this squad is embarrassing as it comes.

The fact slot is doing a good job with squad he's inherited is testament to that.

So many people have invested in this failed project, they will now roll out excuses rather the move on.

Your 100% spot on with your assessment

 

[Amjid Javed]

I knew the Liverpool drop off excuse would be rolled out at somepoint, Liverpool were regularly competing on 2 fronts or even all 4 competitions until the end of the season, so a drop off at somepoint was likely. Also the fact Liverpool won some trophies etc. The drop off was tolerated by their fans.

So for a cheerleader to use Arsenal in same context is embarrassing to say the least.

 

[Mamoon]

There are alternatives. Its not my job to pick him. The point I am making is that it will come to a point where Mikel has taken us as far as he can and a change will be required. Are you suggesting Mikel to be manager forever?

Same thing happened with Wenger it was always who is there? Pep, Klopp were available during that time and fresh approach may work with us now to as the players we have are good enough. Just need to get over the line and Mikel has had his chances.

It is not your job to declare that a manager should be sacked either, none of us do, but we are comfortable making that call because it is the easy thing to do.

However, nominating a replacement and making a case for why he would do better than what Arteta has done or is doing is more challenging.

We the fans often speak from a position of comfort because we only get to react to decisions and are not responsible for making them. Therefore, any fan who wants Arteta to be sacked also has the responsibility to suggest who should replace him and make a case for why the replacement would be better.

The difference between Wenger and Arteta is clear. Wenger demonstrated that he was no longer capable of fighting for the PL. He lost his touch and his hunger.

If his team were competing for the title the way Arteta’s team is and has done for two seasons, there won’t be calls to move on from Wenger.

Arsenal under Arteta have continuously demonstrated a positive trajectory. This is the first season where the previous season’s points tally will not be surpassed, so it is way too early to press the panic button. I would personally give Arteta the end of next season and then reassess where he stands.

The only exception would be the team completely falling apart and struggling to stay in the top 6-7 which obviously hasn’t happened yet.

 

[Mamoon]

This will be trophyless season number 5 for Arsenal, but supposedly there are no alternatives out there

Winning domestic cups when not backed by title challenge mean nothing. Wenger won 3 FA Cups in his last 4 years but fans still wanted him gone because he was not competing to win the PL.

Ten Hag won two cups in two years but United got rid of him because of league failure. The last two seasons for Arsenal have been magnificent and better than winning domestic cups. These two seasons really put Arsenal back on the map and established them as a force in English football for the first time in two decades.

The problem at this club the kronkes went a yes man whose happy with mediocrity and achieving qualifying for CL every season..

If Kroenkes were only aiming for CL qualification, they wouldn’t have sacked Emery because a manager of Emery’s profile was perfect if you’re only aiming for the top 4.

If the kronkes wanted to win titles they would have gone and got Ancelotti, flick type managers

Ancelotti is a useless who has only won 6 league titles in 25 years in spite of coaching the most powerful clubs in European for 99% of this period.

He is a cup manager. He would win you cups but if you want a manager who can make you a force in the league, he is not him.

A lot of Arsenal fans wanted him to replace Emery and it would have been a disaster. He would have left by now and there is no way he would have done the rebuild job that Arteta did.

Ancelotti and Arsenal is a terrible matchup that will simply not work. He is simply not the right fit.

Diego simone, simone Inzaghi, xavi Alonso are all others who could he got at right price at end of this season.

But the kronkes don't want a manager who will demand to win trophies.

Xabi Alonso not Xavi Alonso. You can’t even spell properly and expect to be taken seriously. Anyway, he is Real bound after they get rid of the Ancelotti. The likes of Simone and Inzaghi will not leave their respective clubs for Arsenal. They have no reason to.

Stop playing fantasy football and come up with realistic propositions so that your views can be taken seriously. Also, get some grammar proof-reading software as well.

 

[MK7Z]

It is not your job to declare that a manager should be sacked either, none of us do, but we are comfortable making that call because it is the easy thing to do.

However, nominating a replacement and making a case for why he would do better than what Arteta has done or is doing is more challenging.

We the fans often speak from a position of comfort because we only get to react to decisions and are not responsible for making them. Therefore, any fan who wants Arteta to be sacked also has the responsibility to suggest who should replace him and make a case for why the replacement would be better.

The difference between Wenger and Arteta is clear. Wenger demonstrated that he was no longer capable of fighting for the PL. He lost his touch and his hunger.

If his team were competing for the title the way Arteta’s team is and has done for two seasons, there won’t be calls to move on from Wenger.

Arsenal under Arteta have continuously demonstrated a positive trajectory. This is the first season where the previous season’s points tally will not be surpassed, so it is way too early to press the panic button. I would personally give Arteta the end of next season and then reassess where he stands.

The only exception would be the team completely falling apart and struggling to stay in the top 6-7 which obviously hasn’t happened yet.

I've not suggested he should be sacked.

I've said a decision will need to be made as whether he is indeed the right man. Which the longer he doesn't win a major makes it look like he isn't and you don't want to waste the talent we have.

I have nothing against Mikel and actually want him to do well. I think he's been fantastic to a point

 

[Amjid Javed]

One minute you harp on about if Arsenal were not in top 2 it's regression.

Now it's if they are 6/7th

Keep up the delusion, denial and keep digging the grand canyon size whole uve created for urself.

I'm not even going to even waste my time on rest of your response as its either copy paste bakwas uve said 1,000 times before or it's contradictory nonsense as usual

 

[Amjid Javed]

I've not suggested he should be sacked.

I've said a decision will need to be made as whether he is indeed the right man. Which the longer he doesn't win a major makes it look like he isn't and you don't want to waste the talent we have.

I have nothing against Mikel and actually want him to do well. I think he's been fantastic to a point

Saka and saliba will be gone soon and just like all the other failed projects under the kronkes, this will be another added to the list.

I don't player like cesc, RVP leaving in past. Same goes for saka, saliba etc.. when they ask to leave

 

[Amjid Javed]

Just make one thing clear for me; Only some weeks ago you said Arsenal will fight for the title and will finish above Liverpool. Now you are saying this season is gone for Arsenal. So which one should I believe before you come in May 2025 and bump any posts?

brilliant call out, well done for exposing the cheerleader nonsense

 

[Amjid Javed]

When your brain isn't functioning

 

[Amjid Javed]

Slot joins Liverpool has them top of league

Maresca joins Chelsea and has them above Arsenal

5 year, phase 5, 800M to produce B-tech Mourinho / simone football

But but.. there is no alternatives to Arteta

Every bit of humiliation this club gets this season, is the perfect gift for those fans still worship this manager like he's the messiah.

Arsenal should put out their strongest team in the league cup because its only resemblance of a possible trophy this club may win under this manager

 

[MK7Z]

For me personally the last few weeks Arteta has been challenged with the issues we faced and has not passed those challenges. That is why I may seem to be criticizing him.

It may sound odd but yesterday's game was the most annoying for me. We had our best XI out yet still didn't play as aggressively and intensely as we were doing at the backend of last season. Previous weeks we were missing players here and there so a different approach was taken ( which didn't work) but no excuses yesterday. We should have slapped Chelsea.

I feel we would have had we been instructed to and that comes from the manager.

Anyway international break, Rice and Saka will probably pull out.

Anybody wanna play a game? Which Arsenal player will come back injured from International. My money is on Timber and Partey

 

[Amjid Javed]

For me personally the last few weeks Arteta has been challenged with the issues we faced and has not passed those challenges. That is why I may seem to be criticizing him.

It may sound odd but yesterday's game was the most annoying for me. We had our best XI out yet still didn't play as aggressively and intensely as we were doing at the backend of last season. Previous weeks we were missing players here and there so a different approach was taken ( which didn't work) but no excuses yesterday. We should have slapped Chelsea.

I feel we would have had we been instructed to and that comes from the manager.

Anyway international break, Rice and Saka will probably pull out.

Anybody wanna play a game? Which Arsenal player will come back injured from International. My money is on Timber and Partey

Indeed we had our best team out, reality is once game went to 1-1 neither side showed bravery or proactivity to try and win.

The must not lose, win is a bonus football from Arteta ain't winning no PL or CL at this club.

As far Chelsea go, you can see they have a structured team play. They just need to get rid of liabilities like sanchez and colwill and fast. That will cost them top 4 and trophy.

 

[MK7Z]

Indeed we had our best team out, reality is once game went to 1-1 neither side showed bravery or proactivity to try and win.

The must not lose, win is a bonus football from Arteta ain't winning no PL or CL at this club.

As far Chelsea go, you can see they have a structured team play. They just need to get rid of liabilities like sanchez and colwill and fast. That will cost them top 4 and trophy.

Ye nobody talking about Caicedo's price tag anymore. He has been brilliant this season. Dirty bugger but that's his job.

Had he signed for Arsenal I reckon he would be sent off every other game.

I watched the Liverpool game as I was at home. Honestly I am not a hater but both their goals were after pathetic corners from Villa. They are getting the results and its impressive but they will have a blip at some point, and bottle it.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Ye nobody talking about Caicedo's price tag anymore. He has been brilliant this season. Dirty bugger but that's his job.

Had he signed for Arsenal I reckon he would be sent off every other game.

I watched the Liverpool game as I was at home. Honestly I am not a hater but both their goals were after pathetic corners from Villa. They are getting the results and its impressive but they will have a blip at some point, and bottle it.

Caciedo was excellent, at same time so was Partey. Partey is still our best midfielder by a country mile.

As far as Liverpool go, they punished Villa for 2 bits of poor and sloppy play.

Villa didn't take their chances and were punished. Liverpools keeper making at least 4 top class saves. Villa did same vs Arsenal, weren't clinical are we're punished.

Liverpool will drop points this season, so will City and Arsenal.

If we say the 88-90 points wins the league it means Arsenal would need 70 from a possible 81 left.

This summers disgrace of a transfer window and Managers clueless tactics are reason clubs in current mess right now

 

[MK7Z]

They MUST win...Else BIG bottle job

 

[aboveandbeyond]

View attachment 147601They MUST win...Else BIG bottle job

You heard it first. Scousers will have another epic meltdown at the hands of UTD again.

Remember last season. We dumped them out of the FA Cup and their whole season fell apart.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Caciedo was excellent, at same time so was Partey. Partey is still our best midfielder by a country mile.

As far as Liverpool go, they punished Villa for 2 bits of poor and sloppy play.

Villa didn't take their chances and were punished. Liverpools keeper making at least 4 top class saves. Villa did same vs Arsenal, weren't clinical are we're punished.

Liverpool will drop points this season, so will City and Arsenal.

If we say the 88-90 points wins the league it means Arsenal would need 70 from a possible 81 left.

This summers disgrace of a transfer window and Managers clueless tactics are reason clubs in current mess right now

Caicedo looks the real deal this season, no doubt about it

 

[KingKhanWC]

View attachment 147601They MUST win...Else BIG bottle job

Nice stats .

At 3.5% by early November after a 5 year squad build & investment , this looks like the Serbian Pepsi bottle which broke the world record as the largest plastic bottle .

Liverpool have a long way to go , 5 points to City is nothing at this stage .

Sure Arsenal are now in a top 4 race with Utd but that’s the managers responsibility

 

[shaz619]

If LFC find themselves in similar positions as Arsenal last couple of seasons, they wont submit before City like Arteta did.

Am just annoyed with Arteta because it will be more of a challenge for Villa to finish in the top 4 with the extra competition, Arsenal players will play fiercely to ensure they compete for CL football

 

[KingKhanWC]

If LFC find themselves in similar positions as Arsenal last couple of seasons, they wont bend over for City like Arteta did.

Am just annoyed with Arteta because it will be more of a challenge for Villa to finish in the top 4 with the extra competition, Arsenal players will play fiercely to ensure they compete for CL football

Liverpool need to beat city after facing Real Madrid, if so then yes it’s theirs to lose .

There is only a 4 point difference between 3rd & 13th ! Some will fall off but upto 6 teams could be fighting for top 4.

Villa in the champions league knockouts will be dangerous, playing at Villa park in a ko game is tough for anyone. Dark horse to make the final imo

 

[MK7Z]

If LFC find themselves in similar positions as Arsenal last couple of seasons, they wont bend over for City like Arteta did.

Am just annoyed with Arteta because it will be more of a challenge for Villa to finish in the top 4 with the extra competition, Arsenal players will play fiercely to ensure they compete for CL football

I think Villa can be dangerous if they learn to take corners. What were those on the weekend?

Apart from them I thought they did well

 

[MK7Z]

Nice stats .

At 3.5% by early November after a 5 year squad build & investment , this looks like the Serbian Pepsi bottle which broke the world record as the largest plastic bottle .

Liverpool have a long way to go , 5 points to City is nothing at this stage .

Sure Arsenal are now in a top 4 race with Utd but that’s the managers responsibility

Bottle bro? We didn't even find our bottle never mind lose it.

Took about the 50+%. Losing from here maybe the Serbian Bottle you talk about.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

You heard it first. Scousers will have another epic meltdown at the hands of UTD again.

Remember last season. We dumped them out of the FA Cup and their whole season fell apart.

This Liverpool side relies less on emotion, credit to Slot, he's done really well

They play City at Anfield early December and after that game they could easily be 11 points and I think that will make them overwhelming favourites

 

[shaz619]

I think Villa can be dangerous if they learn to take corners. What were those on the weekend?

Apart from them I thought they did well

They buckled under the aura of Anfield, they will need to clear their heads during the break

 

[shaz619]

Liverpool need to beat city after facing Real Madrid, if so then yes it’s theirs to lose .

There is only a 4 point difference between 3rd & 13th ! Some will fall off but upto 6 teams could be fighting for top 4.

Villa in the champions league knockouts will be dangerous, playing at Villa park in a ko game is tough for anyone. Dark horse to make the final imo

I hope so lol but that will be a step too far I think, if we get to the final, maybe our opponent should refuse to face us The away form has been terrible this year but they play like an elite team at Villa Park

 

[KingKhanWC]

I hope so lol but that will be a step too far I think, if we get to the final, maybe our opponent should refuse to face us The away form has been terrible this year but they play like an elite team at Villa Park

If you meet Arsenal in the final , they may refuse ……and await next seasons episodes . :evra

Serious note , there are multiple team playing for various trophies & standings .

I’m terms of competitiveness , This could end up as the greatest PL season of all time .

 

[KingKhanWC]

Bottle bro? We didn't even find our bottle never mind lose it.

Took about the 50+%. Losing from here maybe the Serbian Bottle you talk about.

Arsenal are still in every competition. Jan window must sign a proven scorer , anything can happen from march onwards .

If Liverpool can keep their defence like this , hardly conceding , they should win it , as their attacking is by far the best in the league .

 

[aboveandbeyond]

This Liverpool side relies less on emotion, credit to Slot, he's done really well

They play City at Anfield early December and after that game they could easily be 11 points and I think that will make them overwhelming favourites

Yes joke aside, I agree. Under Slot they are more balanced as a team. Specially in transitions.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal are still in every competition. Jan window must sign a proven scorer , anything can happen from march onwards .

If Liverpool can keep their defence like this , hardly conceding , they should win it , as their attacking is by far the best in the league .

Arsenal aren't signing a top striker in January. Usual excuses will be made about no one is available, they are waiting for main targets in summer.

As soon as pressure is off the team will start playing well, once expectations are low. The management will as usual foolish then look depend on Same mental midgets next season.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I've not suggested he should be sacked.

I've said a decision will need to be made as whether he is indeed the right man. Which the longer he doesn't win a major makes it look like he isn't and you don't want to waste the talent we have.

I have nothing against Mikel and actually want him to do well. I think he's been fantastic to a point

You could name 30 replacement managers and this cheerleader will make an excuse why they aren't suitable for Arsenal. On top of he's so delusional that he thinks a new DOF and a few signings and Arsensl are going to over take City, Liverpool and other team thats all off sudden improved.

No accountability, no pressure FC and it's the fans aswell happy burying their head in sands that also help contribute this mess as well.

At least uve seen some sense

 

[KingKhanWC]

Arsenal aren't signing a top striker in January. Usual excuses will be made about no one is available, they are waiting for main targets in summer.

As soon as pressure is off the team will start playing well, once expectations are low. The management will as usual foolish then look depend on Same mental midgets next season.

Arteta has no choice when goals are coming at a high premium. We know Havertz isn’t a 20 goal striker.

I assume you want to sign a goalscorer? Can you name any ?

One or two players who are elite can change it all , if still hanging in there by jan .

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Arteta has no choice when goals are coming at a high premium. We know Havertz isn’t a 20 goal striker.

I assume you want to sign a goalscorer? Can you name any ?

One or two players who are elite can change it all , if still hanging in there by jan .

Bro. Signing quality players in January doesn't happen. Normally they are cup tied in the champions league or whatever.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Bro. Signing quality players in January doesn't happen. Normally they are cup tied in the champions league or whatever.

I don’t think they have any choice now . Sure they won’t get an elite but someone who is a genuine striker , a club so big , spent a small fortune but not a single out & out striker ? There’s gotta be someone out there can get in the 6 yard box allowing the wingers to even bother crossing . In 2024 you need to score 2-3 goals every other game to sustain a winning run . Keep Saka quiet & unlikely theylll score more than 1.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

I don’t think they have any choice now . Sure they won’t get an elite but someone who is a genuine striker , a club so big , spent a small fortune but not a single out & out striker ? There’s gotta be someone out there can get in the 6 yard box allowing the wingers to even bother crossing . In 2024 you need to score 2-3 goals every other game to sustain a winning run . Keep Saka quiet & unlikely theylll score more than 1.

Yep. All valid points. This falls on Arteta. Do you really think spending 170 million on a Havertz Rice combo has been a game changer for the Gooners?

For me the jury is still definitely out.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arteta has no choice when goals are coming at a high premium. We know Havertz isn’t a 20 goal striker.

I assume you want to sign a goalscorer? Can you name any ?

One or two players who are elite can change it all , if still hanging in there by jan .

If you look at entire time Arteta has been here he's not signed a proper striker.

Jesus Was bought to replace lacazette as some sort of false 9

Havertz was bought to play midfield and then has been shoved up front.

Also most top good strikers will cost 90M plus, so you really think Arsenal are going to splash that sort of money in January, when all they were bothered about in summer was making a profit.

These owners are just as poor as yours when it comes to ambition

 

[MK7Z]

You could name 30 replacement managers and this cheerleader will make an excuse why they aren't suitable for Arsenal. On top of he's so delusional that he thinks a new DOF and a few signings and Arsensl are going to over take City, Liverpool and other team thats all off sudden improved.

No accountability, no pressure FC and it's the fans aswell happy burying their head in sands that also help contribute this mess as well.

At least uve seen some sense

Lol some sense. Thanks

On serious note I've no loyalty to any manager or player. I want Arsenal to win and will back the players and manager. With the exception of the cry baby.

However I won't blindly follow anyone if it's detriment to the club. I've consistently talked about trajectory and if that stagnates then that's when I will ask questions.

Its gotten to that point where it looks like we've peaked with this so called process.

I wish I'm wrong.

The owners are a seperate issue.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yep. All valid points. This falls on Arteta. Do you really think spending 170 million on a Havertz Rice combo has been a game changer for the Gooners?

For me the jury is still definitely out.

Of course not . That’s huge money .

I have no idea why some Arsenal fans think Edu was great . I’m a Liverpool fan but also a football fan . Arsenal have been mugged off by City selling them done players in Jesus & Zinch . Chelsea were buzzing someone paid nearly £70m for Kai . It’s still going on , Sterling on 100k sat on the bench . 5 years with no striker isn’t someone a 10 year old would do on football manager .

 

[KingKhanWC]

If you look at entire time Arteta has been here he's not signed a proper striker.

Jesus Was bought to replace lacazette as some sort of false 9

Havertz was bought to play midfield and then has been shoved up front.

Also most top good strikers will cost 90M plus, so you really think Arsenal are going to splash that sort of money in January, when all they were bothered about in summer was making a profit.

These owners are just as poor as yours when it comes to ambition

It’s past top striker now . Get a goalscorer from Europe or South America . Theres no threat in the box or nobody to run for through balls . Arsenal under Graham were 1-0 team & successful but Wenger changed the club into attacking , scoring . This manager is thinks he can win games by set pieces & by the team in general scoring?

It comes to the point fans question their own sanity , surely a £15m per year manager in charge of Arsenal can’t be so amateurish in allowing little goal threat after 5 years, spending so much ?

I agree your club deserves better & should cut it’s losses before next season , unless a miracle happens

 

[topspin]

Trust me, VAR would have found a way to disallow the goal. Some imaginary shove somewhere in the build up.

Yeah, I really do think Arsenal have been on the receiving end of some poor refereeing this season.

2 of those 3 red cards should never have been given. The decision to award Inter a penalty for that "handball" was a disgrace. Merino got punched in the head when the Inter keeper got him instead of the ball but nothing was given.

Yes Arsenal have not played well and have had to contend with a number of injuries but this doesn't the negate the fact that they've faced a fair bit of misfortune with all these incompetent refs.

 

[topspin]

For me personally the last few weeks Arteta has been challenged with the issues we faced and has not passed those challenges. That is why I may seem to be criticizing him.

It may sound odd but yesterday's game was the most annoying for me. We had our best XI out yet still didn't play as aggressively and intensely as we were doing at the backend of last season. Previous weeks we were missing players here and there so a different approach was taken ( which didn't work) but no excuses yesterday. We should have slapped Chelsea.

I feel we would have had we been instructed to and that comes from the manager.

Anyway international break, Rice and Saka will probably pull out.

Anybody wanna play a game? Which Arsenal player will come back injured from International. My money is on Timber and Partey

Exactly. Yesterday's result was the worst when you consider the fact that Arsenal were at full strength. It was a poor goal to give away and the team didn't produce enough with all the possession they had.

 

[topspin]

As for whether Arteta should be sacked in the summer or not. I have no issue if he's sacked in the summer if Arsenal fall short of winning the PL and UCL, as long as there is a superior replacement available.

Liverpool have got Slot (albeit early days), Man Utd have got Ruben Amorim, so it's going to be very difficult to find a replacement.

I do expect Ancelotti to be available because it's only a matter of time until he's sacked by Real Madrid. I agree with @Mamoon that bringing someone like him would take the club backwards.

This season has been terrible and it hurts even more because City have been below par as well but it's too early for the knee jerk reaction. Funnier things have happened in football. There's no need to declare this season as a write off just yet.

 

[IMMY69]

I think if we can't get Rizwan to manage then we just stick with Arteta until the end of the season

 

[Amjid Javed]

Yeah, I really do think Arsenal have been on the receiving end of some poor refereeing this season.

2 of those 3 red cards should never have been given. The decision to award Inter a penalty for that "handball" was a disgrace. Merino got punched in the head when the Inter keeper got him instead of the ball but nothing was given.

Yes Arsenal have not played well and have had to contend with a number of injuries but this doesn't the negate the fact that they've faced a fair bit of misfortune with all these incompetent refs.

2 of 3 red cards shouldn't have happened?

Which 2?

Both of Rice offences were yellow cards
Both of trossards offences were yellow cards
Saliba was last man

So let's not play victims here, all 3 red cards were valid.

Just because other incidents didn't happen doesn't change the Arsenal ones.

 

[Amjid Javed]

As for whether Arteta should be sacked in the summer or not. I have no issue if he's sacked in the summer if Arsenal fall short of winning the PL and UCL, as long as there is a superior replacement available.

Liverpool have got Slot (albeit early days), Man Utd have got Ruben Amorim, so it's going to be very difficult to find a replacement.

I do expect Ancelotti to be available because it's only a matter of time until he's sacked by Real Madrid. I agree with @Mamoon that bringing someone like him would take the club backwards.

This season has been terrible and it hurts even more because City have been below par as well but it's too early for the knee jerk reaction. Funnier things have happened in football. There's no need to declare this season as a write off just yet.

Anchelloti or any other manager would take us backwards? Based on what?

This is the nonsense that comes from this fan base.

What have we achieved under Arteta?

5 years without a trophy, 4 seasons without a cup final. We have regressed this season where we will end up in a top 4 race. So let me know what exactly would a new manager take us backwards from

This fan base doesn't want managers from other clubs were they have won trophies. The fan base doesn't want managers who have managed at big clubs, where if you don't win league or CL you get sacked.

No the fan base would rather have a manager on 10M a year, playing haram football and finishing behind City and making excuses. We were up against Pep, the cheated 115 times.

Liverpool shouldn't have bothered getting slot, because what if he had taken Liverpool backwards after klopp

When Pep leaves man city, they may as well stop being a football club. Because new manager might take City backwards.

This fan base needs to stop acting like Arteta is wenger 97-05 or GG. Oh but there is no one better available

Do you know how Arsenal got GG, then went behind manager Don howes back and offered the job to fergie who said no, then got GG after. Howe quit because he knew he was getting replaced

When GG left, Dein wanted wenger. Board said no got Rioch in who lasted a season and was sacked after finishing 4th.

Back when this club acted like a big club and was ruthless.

But current mentality of acting like mikel is the messiah and Arsenal can't do any better is embarrassing.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Yeah, I really do think Arsenal have been on the receiving end of some poor refereeing this season.

2 of those 3 red cards should never have been given. The decision to award Inter a penalty for that "handball" was a disgrace. Merino got punched in the head when the Inter keeper got him instead of the ball but nothing was given.

Yes Arsenal have not played well and have had to contend with a number of injuries but this doesn't the negate the fact that they've faced a fair bit of misfortune with all these incompetent refs.

In regards to the handball rule in CL is different to PL, I don't agree with it. However, we got a cheap penalty in a CL game for similar, was any complaining then?

All the ref did was give a penalty according to the rules.

So it's the actually handball rule which needs looking at. The ref simply applied the rule that was in place.

There Will plenty of similar penalties hive in CL because of the rule

 

[Mamoon]

Anchelloti or any other manager would take us backwards? Based on what?

This is the nonsense that comes from this fan base.

What have we achieved under Arteta?

5 years without a trophy, 4 seasons without a cup final. We have regressed this season where we will end up in a top 4 race. So let me know what exactly would a new manager take us backwards from

This fan base doesn't want managers from other clubs were they have won trophies. The fan base doesn't want managers who have managed at big clubs, where if you don't win league or CL you get sacked.

No the fan base would rather have a manager on 10M a year, playing haram football and finishing behind City and making excuses. We were up against Pep, the cheated 115 times.

Liverpool shouldn't have bothered getting slot, because what if he had taken Liverpool backwards after klopp

When Pep leaves man city, they may as well stop being a football club. Because new manager might take City backwards.

This fan base needs to stop acting like Arteta is wenger 97-05 or GG. Oh but there is no one better available

Do you know how Arsenal got GG, then went behind manager Don howes back and offered the job to fergie who said no, then got GG after. Howe quit because he knew he was getting replaced

When GG left, Dein wanted wenger. Board said no got Rioch in who lasted a season and was sacked after finishing 4th.

Back when this club acted like a big club and was ruthless.

But current mentality of acting like mikel is the messiah and Arsenal can't do any better is embarrassing.

Stop beating around the bush and draw up your 5 man list to replace Arteta.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Doesn't matter what managers people name, as you will roll out excuses to push you Arteta mobsession.

How about you answer a question. Of Arteta walked out now, who would you get in?

 

[Amjid Javed]

You got humilated after your "it's in the bag" comment a few seasons ago.

Then this season you started your bhangra over Arsenal will finish above Liverpool, threatening Liverpool fans woth bumping posts in May.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

It's perfectly normal for a fan to want a manager sacked but not name a replacement

Failure to name a replacement doesn't mean the current guy should remain in charge

That's not me saying Arteta should go, as an outsider I have no real opinion on this other than to say I think overall he's definitely improved Arsenal from when he took over but there is a danger that Arsenal stagnate

This season is going to be huge and he needs to get the team going again, on paper Arsenal have had tough fixtures so in theory they should have an easier run coming up and Arteta will need to tweak things to get Arsenal free flowing again

 

[Amjid Javed]

It's perfectly normal for a fan to want a manager sacked but not name a replacement

Failure to name a replacement doesn't mean the current guy should remain in charge

That's not me saying Arteta should go, as an outsider I have no real opinion on this other than to say I think overall he's definitely improved Arsenal from when he took over but there is a danger that Arsenal stagnate

This season is going to be huge and he needs to get the team going again, on paper Arsenal have had tough fixtures so in theory they should have an easier run coming up and Arteta will need to tweak things to get Arsenal free flowing again

I named plenty of replacement

But such is the low standards of the mutants in this fan base, they will make every excuse possible

As I mentioned in an earlier post, the Arteta fans boys. Don't want a proven manager whose won trophies, or use to real pressure of big clubs ambitions

They would rather pedal out excuses. This fan base is the reason why kronkes will never push the boat out for a manager who will challenge their lack of ambition on titles.

 

[Amjid Javed]

It's perfectly normal for a fan to want a manager sacked but not name a replacement

Failure to name a replacement doesn't mean the current guy should remain in charge

That's not me saying Arteta should go, as an outsider I have no real opinion on this other than to say I think overall he's definitely improved Arsenal from when he took over but there is a danger that Arsenal stagnate

This season is going to be huge and he needs to get the team going again, on paper Arsenal have had tough fixtures so in theory they should have an easier run coming up and Arteta will need to tweak things to get Arsenal free flowing again

No pressure FC, as usual will start to improve once their is no expectation to do well. No different to the back end of wengers reign. The bottle Job manager and poorly put together squad dont have what it takes to deliver the major trophies - PL and CL.

 

[MK7Z]

It's perfectly normal for a fan to want a manager sacked but not name a replacement

Failure to name a replacement doesn't mean the current guy should remain in charge

That's not me saying Arteta should go, as an outsider I have no real opinion on this other than to say I think overall he's definitely improved Arsenal from when he took over but there is a danger that Arsenal stagnate

This season is going to be huge and he needs to get the team going again, on paper Arsenal have had tough fixtures so in theory they should have an easier run coming up and Arteta will need to tweak things to get Arsenal free flowing again

stagnate - exactly what I said. Once that happens the owners must then do what is required to propel the club. Either for change in manager or transfer market. These owners do neither as stagnation at this point means UCL money.

 

[Amjid Javed]

stagnate - exactly what I said. Once that happens the owners must then do what is required to propel the club. Either for change in manager or transfer market. These owners do neither as stagnation at this point means UCL money.

100% spot on

But according atleast 3 posters here the kronkes have changed and shown ambition.

If that's the case barring Pep, any manager should be attainable for Arsenal, as every manager will have a price

The club is happy paying plenty of garbage players on our wage bill over inflated wages

So anyone saying we can't afford certain managers needs a slap of reality

 

[Mamoon]

I named plenty of replacement

But such is the low standards of the mutants in this fan base, they will make every excuse possible

As I mentioned in an earlier post, the Arteta fans boys. Don't want a proven manager whose won trophies, or use to real pressure of big clubs ambitions

They would rather pedal out excuses. This fan base is the reason why kronkes will never push the boat out for a manager who will challenge their lack of ambition on titles.

You are running away as usual. I ask again - who should replace Arteta. Who would be your top 5 picks and why?

It is not a difficult question but you don’t have the courage to answer it.

You only mentioned Ancelotti, Alonso etc. do you really think someone like Ancelotti, who has only won 6 league titles in 25 years in spite of coaching the most powerful clubs is a good fit for Arsenal and take them over the line in the PL? He is a glorified cup manager, that is it.

Alonso will not come to Arsenal knowing that he is next in line for Real.

So stop beating around the bush and stop coming up with fantasy, unrealistic replacements that cannot happen for numerous reasons.

 

[Amjid Javed]

says the Arteta meat-riding coward that runs off to cricket forum Every summer. Absolutely contradictory zero ball with your Copy paste repeat bedtime stories

But but its in bag

But but I will set fireworks

But but I will bump post

But but Arsenal will finish above Liverpool

Funny how you berate Ancelotti, but you have you pants down worship Arteta for his 5 years without a trophy.

But but Arteta is best young manager, he's better than allaydyce and pullis

Absolutely

 

[Amjid Javed]

Ancelotti a glorified cup manager

The guy who has won more in his current spell at Madrid, then the messiah aka mikel pullis-allydayce

But but only Arteta could do what he's done Arsenal

Middle age men embarrassing themselves worship a 5 year failure like he's fergie, Pep, paisley

 

[Amjid Javed]

Feel free to get the courage and embarrassing yourself over a manager who has won nothing in 5 years.

But but its VAR its cheating

But but its injuries

But but edu is leaving, it's not fair on arteta

 

[Amjid Javed]

Imagine hyping up a manager and calling him best manager in world. Then crying like a toddler over VAR, injuries and other excuses.

Then threatened posters over bumping posts and being humilated season after season.

Every season showing zero ball knowledge. Mr Arteta cheerleader

I'm sure now excuses will be rolled out in a few weeks

 

[Amjid Javed]

2 CL, 2 la liga, 1 Spanish cup in latest spell at Real Madrid - Anchelloti

Bottled 2 PL titles
0 cups finals
Humilated in domestic cup
Humilated in Europe - Arteta

Oh but we don't want Anchelloti. We'd rather keep Arteta and celebrate no winning anything

 

[Amjid Javed]

Just make one thing clear for me; Only some weeks ago you said Arsenal will fight for the title and will finish above Liverpool. Now you are saying this season is gone for Arsenal. So which one should I believe before you come in May 2025 and bump any posts?

Roll on May 2025

The fireworks, the post bumping

Open bus top parade for another trophyless season and certain poster running off as usual

 

[Mamoon]

The manager with only 6 league title wins in 25 years in spite of only coaching the most powerful clubs in Europe will take Arsenal forward.

There is no cure for delusional thinking.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

I think Naglesmann could be the Perfect fit for Arsenal. Tactically very Good, and a good brand of football.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The manager with only 6 league title wins in 25 years in spite of only coaching the most powerful clubs in Europe will take Arsenal forward.

There is no cure for delusional thinking.

That is still a better conversion rate of titles compared to Arteta.

De Zerbi would be a better manager imo. Its not just about history of winning, but also the style of play. His style of play while at Brighton and now continuing is up there in attacking sense with any team in the PL right now. Arteta is playing more defensive, it seems he's more worried of losing rather than taking a risk to win matches.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Zero trophies in 5 year

Zero cup finals in 4 season

Best young manager In world

Definitely no cure for delusion

 

[Mamoon]

That is still a better conversion rate of titles compared to Arteta.

De Zerbi would be a better manager imo. It’s not just about history of winning, but also the style of play. His style of play while at Brighton and now continuing is up there in attacking sense with any team in the PL right now. Arteta is playing more defensive, it seems he's more worried of losing rather than taking a risk to win matches.

It is only since 2022-2023 season that Arteta has had a team capable of winning the league, so it is too early to even talk about conversion rate.

Ancelotti’s failure to win league titles is not talked about enough because he masks it with UCL success, but his league failures make it very clear that he is nowhere near as good as he is often perceived.

De Zerbi went to Marseille at this stage of his career, he clearly wants to escape from high pressure jobs. He should have build on the Brighton experience to land himself a job in a top league/club.

 

[Amjid Javed]

That is still a better conversion rate of titles compared to Arteta.

De Zerbi would be a better manager imo. Its not just about history of winning, but also the style of play. His style of play while at Brighton and now continuing is up there in attacking sense with any team in the PL right now. Arteta is playing more defensive, it seems he's more worried of losing rather than taking a risk to win matches.

This is guy who makes the following claims

- Klopp underachieved at Liverpool, 1 PL title

- klopp had 2 bad seasons with squad he had

Then at same time

- Arsenal 5 years without trophy is clubs best era

- Arsenal are having a blip like Liverpool

So one minute this guys berating Liverpool, then uses Arteta failing as same as Liverpool.

Facts and reality, Liverpool won trophies before they had season drop off

Arteta as won Jack

This zero ball knowledge display, is why you shouldn't even bother engaging in conversation with his nonsense

 

[Amjid Javed]

Delusion and excuses - when you know your fireworks will stay in the box for another year anyone got tissues for the fake tears?

 

[KingKhanWC]

It is only since 2022-2023 season that Arteta has had a team capable of winning the league, so it is too early to even talk about conversion rate.

Ancelotti’s failure to win league titles is not talked about enough because he masks it with UCL success, but his league failures make it very clear that he is nowhere near as good as he is often perceived.

De Zerbi went to Marseille at this stage of his career, he clearly wants to escape from high pressure jobs. He should have build on the Brighton experience to land himself a job in a top league/club.

Arteta has never managed any first division team in any country. He really should have took a job at a smaller club and worked on his own management game before taking the Arsenal job. He clearly is still learning on the job. He has no identity as a manager, nobody can work out his game style. He changes style of play regularly. In his first season, he was more attacking, last season didnt press as much and now this season its all over the place.

De Zerbi for his style, of course he has a lot to prove but to suggest there are no other managers out there is incorrect.

 

[Amjid Javed]

2 league titles since returning to Real Madrid in 2021 - Anchelloti

2 titles bottled "since Arteta had a team capable of competing"

Their is no cure for delusion

I wonder what masks Arteta's league failures, on wait he's not won anything for 4 seasons

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arteta has never managed any first division team in any country. He really should have took a job at a smaller club and worked on his own management game before taking the Arsenal job. He clearly is still learning on the job. He has no identity as a manager, nobody can work out his game style. He changes style of play regularly. In his first season, he was more attacking, last season didnt press as much and now this season its all over the place.

De Zerbi for his style, of course he has a lot to prove but to suggest there are no other managers out there is incorrect.

Arteta tried to copy Peps football and failed

Now he's trying to copy Mourinho / Simone / GG football and failing

Let's be honest here even Stoke / Burnley fans would be booing team every game and asking for season ticket refunds watching this trash

Arteta should go managed Rangers or Everton thats about his level of management

He's just another brendon Rogers, Poch type manager. I said 6-12 months ago Arteta was doing same think Claudia raneri did at Chelsea.

Sooner this clueless managed and his cheerleaders get out of this club the better.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Oh let me guess the response

"If he only wins 5 title in 25 years at big clubs, il call him a cup manager to" plus another couple of 100 words of usual bakwas.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Arteta tried to copy Peps football and failed

Now he's trying to copy Mourinho / Simone / GG football and failing

Let's be honest here even Stoke / Burnley fans would be booing team every game and asking for season ticket refunds watching this trash

Arteta should go managed Rangers or Everton thats about his level of management

He's just another brendon Rogers, Poch type manager. I said 6-12 months ago Arteta was doing same think Claudia raneri did at Chelsea.

Sooner this clueless managed and his cheerleaders get out of this club the better.

It seems to me , he is trying to mix up all strategies of various styles into one, like an all rounded MMA fighter.

The problem is in football, the players get confused, their roles changes, their defensive and attacking play changes, they can never get into a rhythm. Its hard to maintain form with such varying styles of play.

Arteta may well end up as a top manager but this job seems early for him.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Ben White: Arsenal defender undergoes minor surgical procedure on knee issue​

Arsenal's Ben White has undergone a minor surgical procedure to resolve a knee issue he has been carrying.

The defender started Arsenal's last two games, against Chelsea and Inter, but was only fit enough to feature from the bench in Arsenal's previous fixture, the 1-0 loss to Newcastle on November 2.

Speaking before the game against, Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta said: "It's a little issue, so we have to protect him."

White also missed games against Leicester, Paris Saint-Germain and Southampton earlier this season, having only been used as a substitute in the 2-2 draw with Manchester City on September 22.

Arsenal are already without fellow defenders Riccardo Calafiori, Takehiro Tomiyasu and Kieran Tierney due to injuries, while Jurrien Timber has only recently returned from a muscular issue.

The Gunners have also had to contend with injuries to Martin Odegaard, Bukayo Saka and Mikel Merino, while Declan Rice, William Saliba and Leandro Trossard have served suspensions for red cards.

Arteta said he was "praying" for an end to Arsenal's injury issues after a "nightmare eight weeks" in the wake of Sunday's 1-1 draw with Chelsea, which left them nine points behind leaders Liverpool.

White's surgery comes ahead of a busy period for Arsenal. They return to action after the international break with a Premier League home game against Nottingham Forest on Saturday November 23.

They then face Sporting in the Champions League on Tuesday November 26 before a trip to West Ham, live on Sky Sports on Saturday November 30, and a home game against Manchester United on Wednesday December 4.

Meanwhile, Arsenal executives are travelling to the United States this week to meet with the Kroenke family for talks focusing on the club's summer transfer plans.

Replacing Edu following his resignation as sporting director last week and the upcoming January transfer window are also expected to be on the agenda.

The November international break was viewed as an ideal moment for the club's decision-makers to get together and discuss plans as they move forward without Edu.

The former midfielder is serving a six-month period of gardening leave before taking a new job under Nottingham Forest owner Evangelos Marinakis.

Jason Ayto, assistant sporting director, is taking over Edu's responsibilities while the club look for a permanent successor.

Ben White: Arsenal defender undergoes minor surgical procedure on knee issue

Ben White has been carrying a knee issue this season; 27-year-old has undergone a minor procedure to resolve the discomfort; Arsenal sit fourth in the Premier League table, nine points off leaders Liverpool, after an injury-hit start to the season

www.skysports.com

 

[topspin]

2 of 3 red cards shouldn't have happened?

Which 2?

Both of Rice offences were yellow cards
Both of trossards offences were yellow cards
Saliba was last man

So let's not play victims here, all 3 red cards were valid.

Just because other incidents didn't happen doesn't change the Arsenal ones.

I don’t agree with Rice’s red card. He wasn’t even facing the defender when the ball was rolled out to him by the Brighton player.

Under the laws of the game, that ball is live and Rice has every right to go for right. Even if that ball isn’t live, you have to be objective and give him the benefit of the doubt because Rice may have played that out for a throw.

Saliba deserved his red card. I don’t agree with Trossard’s first yellow card in the lead up to his dismissal.

I’m not one for conspiracy theories and I’m well aware that PL refs are the worst in Europe. But as pointed out by both @MK7Z and @Mamoon something doesn’t seem right.

 

[topspin]

Anchelloti or any other manager would take us backwards? Based on what?

This is the nonsense that comes from this fan base.

What have we achieved under Arteta?

5 years without a trophy, 4 seasons without a cup final. We have regressed this season where we will end up in a top 4 race. So let me know what exactly would a new manager take us backwards from

This fan base doesn't want managers from other clubs were they have won trophies. The fan base doesn't want managers who have managed at big clubs, where if you don't win league or CL you get sacked.

No the fan base would rather have a manager on 10M a year, playing haram football and finishing behind City and making excuses. We were up against Pep, the cheated 115 times.

Liverpool shouldn't have bothered getting slot, because what if he had taken Liverpool backwards after klopp

When Pep leaves man city, they may as well stop being a football club. Because new manager might take City backwards.

This fan base needs to stop acting like Arteta is wenger 97-05 or GG. Oh but there is no one better available

Do you know how Arsenal got GG, then went behind manager Don howes back and offered the job to fergie who said no, then got GG after. Howe quit because he knew he was getting replaced

When GG left, Dein wanted wenger. Board said no got Rioch in who lasted a season and was sacked after finishing 4th.

Back when this club acted like a big club and was ruthless.

But current mentality of acting like mikel is the messiah and Arsenal can't do any better is embarrassing.

It wasn't that long ago when Ancelotti was coaching Everton. I don't need to go into what led to his downfall. His record in leagues, has already been highlighted on here. He coached the likes of Real Madrid and AC Milan at the peak of their powers but still fell well short of winning one league every two years. This is like the bare minimum I would expect from him.

I was pleased to see Edu go and I would also be pleased to see Arteta go, if he cannot turn things around. Yes, we've been unlucky with injuries and been subject to bad refereeing decisions but that doesn't excuse him to be 9 points shy of the leaders.

I just don't think it's a good idea to sack him now when we don't have an ideal replacement. If Ruben Amorim was available and willing to join Arsenal, believe me I would have had no issues with Arteta getting the axe.

 

[topspin]

In regards to the handball rule in CL is different to PL, I don't agree with it. However, we got a cheap penalty in a CL game for similar, was any complaining then?

All the ref did was give a penalty according to the rules.

So it's the actually handball rule which needs looking at. The ref simply applied the rule that was in place.

There Will plenty of similar penalties hive in CL because of the rule

Remind me in which CL game did we get a cheap penalty?