Arsenal FC | 2024/25 Season

[topspin]

Don't forget Rice cooks better with the lid on

 

[aboveandbeyond]

@aboveandbeyond

I hope you will now retract all the Odegaard's comments and finally recognise his worth. Worth every penny.

Not at all.

This thread reminds of the Pakistan cricket forum.

Nothings changed. Unless, Arsenal win the champions league, it's been a catastrophic failure, and every top player would be culpable.

No Arsenal so called top player has been consistent this season .

 

[topspin]

PSG are just there two full backs

Arsenal beating this side will give them all the confidence

Villa ran them all the way

Defensively they can be vulnerable even though they have 2 quality full backs as you say.

We just need to be able to defend against their attack.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Look at how Angry Rice got with partey after yellow card, that's proper leadership. You wouldn't see the club captain acting in such a manner of leadership

 

[topspin]

@aboveandbeyond

I hope you will now retract all the Odegaard's comments and finally recognise his worth. Worth every penny.

Rice

 

[topspin]

Look

Not at all.

This thread reminds of the Pakistan cricket forum.

Nothings changed. Unless, Arsenal win the champions league, it's been a catastrophic failure, and every top player would be culpable.

No Arsenal so called top player has been consistent this season .

I meant Rice

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Rice

Uncle. I do respect your opnions, but I do have mine. Hope you respect mine as well

 

[Markhor]

Congratulations Arsenal fans, gameplan perfectly executed. Real look awful and in need of a rebuild.

PSG will be a tough test though. They're much better to the side Arsenal beat in the league phase but as Villa showed they can be shaky defensively if you can get at them.

 

[IMMY69]

Another great night with the only blemish being Partey's silly yellow card.

COYG

 

[topspin]

Uncle. I do respect your opnions, but I do have mine. Hope you respect mine as well

Uncle?

I do respect your opinions on football but this is not an opinion. As mentioned by @Amjid Javed - it's an agenda.

This guy has produced 2 x 10/10 performances against Madrid. He was head and shoulders above everyone else and was Arsenal's best player last season. What more does he need to do?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Congratulations Arsenal fans, gameplan perfectly executed. Real look awful and in need of a rebuild.

PSG will be a tough test though. They're much better to the side Arsenal beat in the league phase but as Villa showed they can be shaky defensively if you can get at them.

Theyve bot replaced kroos and Modric which is no easy feat. They controlled teams with temporary and possession.

Hence madrid have been very poor in the champions league this season. 6 defeats in the campaign

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Uncle?

I do respect your opinions on football but this is not an opinion. As mentioned by @Amjid Javed - it's an agenda.

This guy has produced 2 x 10/10 performances against Madrid. He was head and shoulders above everyone else and was Arsenal's best player last season. What more does he need to do?

Your a veteran lol. I've not quite hit the big 30 yet.

2 games against a Madrid who have lost 6 times this season is not the bench mark.

Like I said. If Arsenal win the champions league il give the whole team the credit. Otherwise if they don't, another failure of a season

 

[topspin]

I would, but the club are not ruthless enough to do it.

He knows he can drop stinker game after game and won't get dropped

Do you think Arda Guler would provide good competition? My only concern is like Ode, doesn't look to be the strongest physically.

 

[topspin]

Your a veteran lol. I've not quite hit the big 30 yet.

2 games against a Madrid who have lost 6 times this season is not the bench mark.

Like I said. If Arsenal win the champions league il give the whole team the credit. Otherwise if they don't, another failure of a season

See this is what I mean. It's never well done Rice, you were magnificent. It's just more and more excuses. Arsenal winning champions league isn't just on him, it's also about those around him.

Since you have too much pride to give him the credit he deserves, let's leave it as that.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

See this is what I mean? It's never well don Rice, you were magnificent. It's just more and more excuses. Arsenal winning champions league isn't just on him, it's also about those around him.

Since you have too much pride to give him credit, let's leave it as that.

Not at all. It's a team game. Arsenal as a team played to their strengths. A strong low block and broke in transitions, against a madrid side who are limited off the ball.

 

[topspin]

Not at all. It's a team game. Arsenal as a team played to their strengths. A strong low block and broke in transitions, against a madrid side who are limited off the ball.

You think Arsenal played a strong low block in both legs?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

You think Arsenal played a strong low block in both legs?

At home they didn't. But tonight it was.

Like I said. Madrid have been really poor in the champions league this season

 

[aboveandbeyond]

You think Arsenal played a strong low block in both legs?

Any way. Good luck to you Gooners. If you go on to win it, fair play

 

[topspin]

Any way. Good luck to you Gooners. If you go on to win it, fair play

Thanks bro. We certainly need to break our duck in the CL.

You can see how far we have come under Arteta. I feel we’re so close to winning something major either this season or next season.

 

[Abdullah]

I only dip in and out of this thread but I need to know is @Amjid Javed still Arteta out??!!

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Thanks bro. We certainly need to break our duck in the CL.

You can see how far we have come under Arteta. I feel we’re so close to winning something major either this season or next season.

Yep. If you win it, Arteta deserves all the credit. Not sure Amjid uncle will agree lol

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Was at our game so haven't seen any of this game but the result doesn't surprise me, thought the first leg the tie was done

Congrats to Arsenal, knocking out Real with relative ease is impressive

Prior to this week I would have edged for PSG to go through but against Villa they showed a vulnerability I didn't think they had, think I'll edge for Arsenal now

 

[IMMY69]

Was at our game so haven't seen any of this game but the result doesn't surprise me, thought the first leg the tie was done

Congrats to Arsenal, knocking out Real with relative ease is impressive

Prior to this week I would have edged for PSG to go through but against Villa they showed a vulnerability I didn't think they had, think I'll edge for Arsenal now

Mate you're just 4 points behind us and are flying at the moment...

 

[Amjid Javed]

Your a veteran lol. I've not quite hit the big 30 yet.

2 games against a Madrid who have lost 6 times this season is not the bench mark.

Like I said. If Arsenal win the champions league il give the whole team the credit. Otherwise if they don't, another failure of a season

Before the Tie, Madrid were a few points of Barca in La liga, in copa del Rey final and the CL holders.

Let's not act like Madrid were having a poor seaaon. Arsenal were underdogs for the tie and have deservedly won. So give credit for that.

However, yes on your point on they have to win it, or yes season is failure if its trophyless

 

[Amjid Javed]

Was at our game so haven't seen any of this game but the result doesn't surprise me, thought the first leg the tie was done

Congrats to Arsenal, knocking out Real with relative ease is impressive

Prior to this week I would have edged for PSG to go through but against Villa they showed a vulnerability I didn't think they had, think I'll edge for Arsenal now

PSG looked a mediocre team for 1st six CL group stage games, it's only when they signed Kvaratskhelia in January has the entire team dynamics changed.

He's helped transform a mediocre front 3 into a good one. They still do however create a lot of chances but aren't the most clinical.

Are PSG a Better side now, then when they lost to Arsenal in group stages? Yes

But at same time Arsenal have got over their 1st hurdle of beating a top side in Europe in a knockout game under this manager after 5 years in charge.

PSG are good going forward
Mediocre at the back
World class keeper, who has essentially won them both the last 2 knockout rounds
Also a top class manager whose won the CL before

Arsenal have momentum which is always important in football.
So Arsenal should be confident they can win, because PSG will play an open game. Arsenal have shown they can win these sort of games.

Missing partey for 1st leg, Arsenal will have to either play Jorghino or merino in midfield which makes the game in Paris even trickier than it was already going to be

 

[Amjid Javed]

I only dip in and out of this thread but I need to know is @Amjid Javed still Arteta out??!!

No different to start of season, managers job is to win major trophies, if not then time to move on.

So called progession is ultimately judged on major trophies at big clubs

 

[Amjid Javed]

Do you think Arda Guler would provide good competition? My only concern is like Ode, doesn't look to be the strongest physically.

Signing Guler wouldn't be competition, it would be an upgrade. Arsenal need to be in position where they can drop oddegard when he's stinking place out, instead he plays because he's the puppet captain at the club

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Before the Tie, Madrid were a few points of Barca in La liga, in copa del Rey final and the CL holders.

Let's not act like Madrid were having a poor seaaon. Arsenal were underdogs for the tie and have deservedly won. So give credit for that.

However, yes on your point on they have to win it, or yes season is failure if its trophyless

Not in the Champions league. They qualified via the playoffs beating a even poorer Man City team at the time.

 

[MK7Z]

Great night. Good performances all over the pitch except bozo moments from Partey and Saliba.

Saliba I thought was collososal barring his mistake. But that's UCL level.

Timber was again absolutely brilliant.

Imagine how good we would be if captain would turn up at some point.

Rice has arrived for people who didn't believe before.

Enjoy it brothers

 

[Amjid Javed]

Not in the Champions league. They qualified via the playoffs beating a even poorer Man City team at the time.

Doesn't matter when you essentially finished in the CL table as long as you were in the top 24.

The top 8 essentially only means you played one less round.

Liverpool finished top 8 and are our, same goes for lille.

The main thing as in any knockout tournament is to stay in it. Which Madrid did.

They beat Man city and Athletico, not exactly a bunch of European bums.

Your just looking for excuses not to give credit.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Great night. Good performances all over the pitch except bozo moments from Partey and Saliba.

Saliba I thought was collososal barring his mistake. But that's UCL level.

Timber was again absolutely brilliant.

Imagine how good we would be if captain would turn up at some point.

Rice has arrived for people who didn't believe before.

Enjoy it brothers

Glad Timber didn't get booked for a silly foul he made, as missing him for PSG game would have been huge.

Same goes for Rice on the penalty.

In both cases referee did the right thing in not booking timber, also rescinding RIces yellow.

If we were missing these 2 and partey for 1st PSG game, it would have been very difficult

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Doesn't matter when you essentially finished in the CL table as long as you were in the top 24.

The top 8 essentially only means you played one less round.

Liverpool finished top 8 and are our, same goes for lille.

The main thing as in any knockout tournament is to stay in it. Which Madrid did.

They beat Man city and Athletico, not exactly a bunch of European bums.

Your just looking for excuses not to give credit.

Not at all. Madrid were beaten 5 - 6 times in the campaign. Very lucky to qualify

I think you must have comprehensive issues. I've clearly stated. IF ARSENAL WIN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE THEN FULL CREDIT TO ALL ASSOCIATED INCLUDING ARTETA.

DO YOU AGREE UNCLE AMJID?

 

[shaz619]

Congrats to Arsenal, they’re in the best scenario possible to win the CL. We exposed PSG & the great spanish clubs are not invincible anymore. Arsenal really look like they’re starting to believe. Arteta needs to win this to save his job as well, anything less would be a failure in my eyes.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Missing partey for 1st leg, Arsenal will have to either play Jorghino or merino in midfield which makes the game in Paris even trickier than it was already going to be

Pretty sure the first leg is at the Emirates.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Pretty sure the first leg is at the Emirates.

Yeah your right, even so Partey being out is a blow.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Not at all. Madrid were beaten 5 - 6 times in the campaign. Very lucky to qualify

I think you must have comprehensive issues. I've clearly stated. IF ARSENAL WIN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE THEN FULL CREDIT TO ALL ASSOCIATED INCLUDING ARTETA.

DO YOU AGREE UNCLE AMJID?

Your waffling nonsense.

How exactly were they lucky to qualify?

They were 11th in league table and win 5 out 8 games,

Teams from 6th to 13th all won 5 games. So were all these teams lucky to qualify aswell?

Yeah I don't comprehend when people are talking rubbish

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Arteta needs to win this to save his job as well, anything less would be a failure in my eyes.

Everyone’s welcome to an opinion but that appears to be somewhat extreme

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Yeah your right, even so Partey being out is a blow.

PSG have a well balanced midfield so we definitely needed our best players in the centre of the pitch.

Wonder if Arteta is tempted to put Lewis-Skelly in midfield, Calafiori (if fit) or Timber at LB, White at RB?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Congrats to Arsenal, they’re in the best scenario possible to win the CL. We exposed PSG & the great spanish clubs are not invincible anymore. Arsenal really look like they’re starting to believe. Arteta needs to win this to save his job as well, anything less would be a failure in my eyes.

As long as Arsenal make top 4 or 5 and CL money comes in, these owners will keep him in a job.

There is no pressure on any kronkes franchises to win trophies. Its a bonus if they do.

 

[shaz619]

Everyone’s welcome to an opinion but that appears to be somewhat extreme

Competing for the title & the richest prize in EU football is acceptable to a point, but am not sure it’s that extreme to expect a major trophy when you consider how long he has been in the job and their clubs financial strength, then again Arsenal’s most loyal fans (from the UK) probably know better then myself.

 

[shaz619]

I genuinely did not expect Arsenal to dominate Madrid the way they have, can’t take anything away from those wins home/away that will be remembered for a very long time.

 

[IMMY69]

Competing for the title & the richest prize in EU football is acceptable to a point, but am not sure it’s that extreme to expect a major trophy when you consider how long he has been in the job and their clubs financial strength, then again Arsenal’s most loyal fans (from the UK) probably know better then myself.

Whilst I agree with you I'm also willing to give him more time and this is largely because he's still only 43 years old, its his first job as manager and he has transformed the way we play on the pitch..
So whilst AJ might be spot on regarding the ownership and what their ambitions are, I can see and feel the passion oozing from Arteta and hopeful that their aims for the club are not aligned and that Arteta is searching for trophies.
Add to that the team still being very young, I just can't see any reason for Arteta getting the boot yet, irrespective of whether we win the CL trophy this season.

 

[topspin]

PSG have a well balanced midfield so we definitely needed our best players in the centre of the pitch.

Wonder if Arteta is tempted to put Lewis-Skelly in midfield, Calafiori (if fit) or Timber at LB, White at RB?

I have been thinking about this and I think the best solution is to put MLS in midfield, as he’s a natural number 8.

Put Timber at LB and White at RB.

From what I’ve seen of Calafiori this season, defensively he’s struggled so it would be a big risk to start him in the 1st leg.

 

[topspin]

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Top 5 midfielders in Europe for me right now.

 

[topspin]

Signing Guler wouldn't be competition, it would be an upgrade.

For £40m it might be worth the punt. I just hope he can handle the physicality of the PL and has the work rate off the ball as well.

Arsenal need to be in position where they can drop oddegard when he's stinking place out, instead he plays because he's the puppet captain at the club

Exactly why we needed to sign Maddison.

 

[topspin]

Your waffling nonsense.

How exactly were they lucky to qualify?

They were 11th in league table and win 5 out 8 games,

Teams from 6th to 13th all won 5 games. So were all these teams lucky to qualify aswell?

Yeah I don't comprehend when people are talking rubbish

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Well said bro. The guy clearly has an agenda against Rice and doesn’t want to give him the credit he deserves.

Back to back man of the match. Best player for Arsenal in the PL but he comes out with excuses about how Madrid been “rubbish” this season.

 

[shaz619]

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And a former European Champion

 

[Amjid Javed]

Well said bro. The guy clearly has an agenda against Rice and doesn’t want to give him the credit he deserves.

Back to back man of the match. Best player for Arsenal in the PL but he comes out with excuses about how Madrid been “rubbish” this season.

Rice stepped it up in both games, credit to him.

He will have to do same vs PSG, especially with Partey not playing 1st leg.

Up until the 1st leg, Madrid had a chance of winning a treble. So him acting like Madrid were having bad season is comical.

 

[IMMY69]

I have been thinking about this and I think the best solution is to put MLS in midfield, as he’s a natural number 8.

Put Timber at LB and White at RB.

From what I’ve seen of Calafiori this season, defensively he’s struggled so it would be a big risk to start him in the 1st leg.

I would stick Jorghino in there not disturb MLS or Timber.
Jorghino is experienced, has had some game time of late and so match fit and this is the perfect opportunity for him to showcase his talent one last time on the big stage.

 

[shaz619]

Well said bro. The guy clearly has an agenda against Rice and doesn’t want to give him the credit he deserves.

Back to back man of the match. Best player for Arsenal in the PL but he comes out with excuses about how Madrid been “rubbish” this season.

Rice always has his haters no matter who he plays for, they follow him everywhere lol

 

[Amjid Javed]

For £40m it might be worth the punt. I just hope he can handle the physicality of the PL and has the work rate off the ball as well.



Exactly why we needed to sign Maddison.

With Guler, he needs to be given freedom to thrive. Arteta seems to over instructed players to do things and that won't help a player like Guler.

Khudus, maddision, guiameres, telemans any of these players should have signed to help in midfield previously

 

[topspin]

Rice always has his haters no matter who he plays for, they follow him

Huge respect to hear this from a neutral.

We wouldn’t have got this far in the CL without him.

 

[shaz619]

Whilst I agree with you I'm also willing to give him more time and this is largely because he's still only 43 years old, its his first job as manager and he has transformed the way we play on the pitch..
So whilst AJ might be spot on regarding the ownership and what their ambitions are, I can see and feel the passion oozing from Arteta and hopeful that their aims for the club are not aligned and that Arteta is searching for trophies.
Add to that the team still being very young, I just can't see any reason for Arteta getting the boot yet, irrespective of whether we win the CL trophy this season.

I am in agreement with you mostly, but lets be honest to, we share this exact exchange at the back end of each season. And Arteta is a great manager, and my suggestion might be harsh, but have you considered that there could be other managers out there that could potentially help unlock the full potential of a promising group and maybe Arteta needs a change of scenery himself, in life sometimes things get a bit stale and a fresh start is not a bad thing, look at LFC post Klopp and I rated him highly, Arteta has done well setting foundations though. Anyway, I think Arteta can pull the CL off so all this may not apply, you have a real chance this time.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

As long as Arsenal make top 4 or 5 and CL money comes in, these owners will keep him in a job.

There is no pressure on any kronkes franchises to win trophies. It’s a bonus if they do.

This was certainly the case during Wenger’s reign after the move to the Emirates.
It was purely down to financial pressures caused by the move and thus qualification into the CL was absolutely crucial.
We are in a different position now.
Critically, another aspect that you failed to mention is the ambitions of the playing & coaching staff.

 

[IMMY69]

Also a massive shout out to Kiwior.
The lad has filled a massive gaping whole left by the immeasurable Gabriel over the last 3/4 games and has shown that he has the capability to be a great backup at CB. This could potentially save us money in the summer, not having to find a suitable back-up for Gabriel.

 

[topspin]

I genuinely did not expect Arsenal to dominate Madrid the way they have, can’t take anything away from those wins home/away that will be remembered for a very long time.

Understandable because last season Arsenal were intimidated by big atmospheres away from home and also against big opposition.

If we cast our minds back to the Bayern game in the QF fixture last year, we gifted like 2 of those goals.

If we were to play them now, I am confident we would beat them quite comfortably.

Arsenal’s improvement in Europe is due to the change in mentality. They look more calm and relaxed on and off the ball.

 

[topspin]

Also a massive shout out to Kiwior.
The lad has filled a massive gaping whole left by the immeasurable Gabriel over the last 3/4 games and has shown that he has the capability to be a great backup at CB. This could potentially save us money in the summer, not having to find a suitable back-up for Gabriel.

Much better as a LCB as opposed to playing a a LB, where he looked vulnerable last season.

 

[IMMY69]

I am in agreement with you mostly, but lets be honest to, we share this exact exchange at the back end of each season. And Arteta is a great manager, and my suggestion might be harsh, but have you considered that there could be other managers out there that could potentially help unlock the full potential of a promising group and maybe Arteta needs a change of scenery himself, in life sometimes things get a bit stale and a fresh start is not a bad thing, look at LFC post Klopp and I rated him highly, Arteta has done well setting foundations though. Anyway, I think Arteta can pull the CL off so all this may not apply, you have a real chance this time.

Yes it does feel a bit like ground hogs day....
However, the "Arteta" project feels like its not quiet finished yet.

I agree regarding this years CL, I do honestly feel like we have a real chance, in fact, and in my opinion, all four teams look solid and probably have an equal chance of winning it...

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Competing for the title & the richest prize in EU football is acceptable to a point, but am not sure it’s that extreme to expect a major trophy when you consider how long he has been in the job and their clubs financial strength, then again Arsenal’s most loyal fans (from the UK) probably know better then myself.

I understand your view but only one team will win the PL or CL each season (that’s the two major trophies).
I think Arteta deserves an extended stay simply because of the continued improvement every season in multiple areas.
For example, Arsenal were considered a laughing stock for their soft underbelly when he took over. Now they are being described in the same breath as Inter and Athletico in terms of defensive know-how and physical combativeness.
Beyond that be honest and tell me if you thought, as an example, Declan Rice would have improved his game in so many aspects? That’s the level of progress one can shower praise on for the coach, for providing the requisite environment and support.
In terms of performance, we have been close last 3 seasons in PL, and in last 4 of CL this (and in only the second season since our failure to qualify for it for 5 years from 2017).
Sticking with Arteta is the way to go as of now.

 

[shaz619]

Understandable because last season Arsenal were intimidated by big atmospheres away from home and also against big opposition.

If we cast our minds back to the Bayern game in the QF fixture last year, we gifted like 2 of those goals.

If we were to play them now, I am confident we would beat them quite comfortably.

Arsenal’s improvement in Europe is due to the change in mentality. They look more calm and relaxed on and off the ball.

Fair to say the experience of the CL can’t be overlooked, last year I think it had been a while since you had qualified? And Arsenal can be jittery when faced with something new, but they’ve learned from that and a lot more at home now

 

[Amjid Javed]

This was certainly the case during Wenger’s reign after the move to the Emirates.
It was purely down to financial pressures caused by the move and thus qualification into the CL was absolutely crucial.
We are in a different position now.
Critically, another aspect that you failed to mention is the ambitions of the playing & coaching staff.

Ambition now is no different, just because the Manager and poster boy spew out PR nonsense, doesn't mean the Ambition has changed.

The club has gone 5 seasons with out a trophy.

Even Arteta said Arsenal are in phase 4.5, which was to establish themselves as a regular CL team.

So let's not go down this route of Ambition has changed nonsense

Just like supposedly the kronkes were investing heavily all off sudden, a claim which was proven as a load of nonsense. When it was brought up.

 

[shaz619]

I understand your view but only one team will win the PL or CL each season (that’s the two major trophies).
I think Arteta deserves an extended stay simply because of the continued improvement every season in multiple areas.
For example, Arsenal were considered a laughing stock for their soft underbelly when he took over. Now they are being described in the same breath as Inter and Athletico in terms of defensive know-how and physical combativeness.
Beyond that be honest and tell me if you thought, as an example, Declan Rice would have improved his game in so many aspects? That’s the level of progress one can shower praise on for the coach, for providing the requisite environment and support.
In terms of performance, we have been close last 3 seasons in PL, and in last 4 of CL this (and in only the second season since our failure to qualify for it for 5 years from 2017).
Sticking with Arteta is the way to go as of now.

I’ve always been a big believer in Rice and felt Moyes helped him come out of his shell quiet a bit, I actually thought he’d be a great fit at Arsenal so yeah it was a good purchase no doubt about that. Yeah post Wenger he has helped get you back to the top level that can’t be taken away, it’s about getting cracking now though after all these years and there is a big trophy in sight to be fair so I understand your sentiment

 

[Amjid Javed]

Also a massive shout out to Kiwior.
The lad has filled a massive gaping whole left by the immeasurable Gabriel over the last 3/4 games and has shown that he has the capability to be a great backup at CB. This could potentially save us money in the summer, not having to find a suitable back-up for Gabriel.

Arsenal still need a back up CB, A few decent games from kiwor don't change that. The whole reason their was no title challenge was because of lack of quality in certain areas of the team.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I understand your view but only one team will win the PL or CL each season (that’s the two major trophies).
I think Arteta deserves an extended stay simply because of the continued improvement every season in multiple areas.
For example, Arsenal were considered a laughing stock for their soft underbelly when he took over. Now they are being described in the same breath as Inter and Athletico in terms of defensive know-how and physical combativeness.
Beyond that be honest and tell me if you thought, as an example, Declan Rice would have improved his game in so many aspects? That’s the level of progress one can shower praise on for the coach, for providing the requisite environment and support.
In terms of performance, we have been close last 3 seasons in PL, and in last 4 of CL this (and in only the second season since our failure to qualify for it for 5 years from 2017).
Sticking with Arteta is the way to go as of now.

Arsenal have regressed in PL this season, Arsenal haven't even been in a title race this season. Liverpool have had a 9 point lead over Arsenal since match week 11. So how exactly is that close in PL?

Almost most metrics, points, goals scored etc.. have dropped this season. How's that progression?

Domestic cup performances have been abysmal.

The CL is now essentially only hope of salvaging a failed season.

Also this nonsense that only 1 club can win PL and CL every season, is just an excuse for you to justify failure.

Progression at big clubs is measured on trophies won.

 

[IMMY69]

Arsenal still need a back up CB, A few decent games from kiwor don't change that. The whole reason their was no title challenge was because of lack of quality in certain areas of the team.

But we should emphasise on just how good Kiwior has been of late.
He's hardly put a foot wrong and that's saying something and the fact that he's still only 25 means he's still a few years away from his peak. If he can continue like this, and he has the rest of the season plus CL, to prove his credentials and reliability then at least we have cover for Gabriel going in to next season. This means Gabriel won't have to play every single game day in and day out and can actually stay fresh throughout the season.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Fair to say the experience of the CL can’t be overlooked, last year I think it had been a while since you had qualified? And Arsenal can be jittery when faced with something new, but they’ve learned from that and a lot more at home now

Arsenal have played Europa league and CL, so they have plenty of experience and exposure in Europe. Yeah CL quality is higher, but the lack of experience excuses doesn't really wash.

Have Arsenal learnt from bayern Game last season yes, which is a plus point

 

[Amjid Javed]

But we should emphasise on just how good Kiwior has been of late.
He's hardly put a foot wrong and that's saying something and the fact that he's still only 25 means he's still a few years away from his peak. If he can continue like this, and he has the rest of the season plus CL, to prove his credentials and reliability then at least we have cover for Gabriel going in to next season. This means Gabriel won't have to play every single game day in and day out and can actually stay fresh throughout the season.

Yeah he's been good of late, but is the same guy who was at fault in Liverpool and Fulham games for goals conceded.

Will he get better? Yes, but we've seen this from kiwor before with few good games and bad ones.

Arsenal need a better CB to compete on all fronts.

 

[IMMY69]

Yeah he's been good of late, but is the same guy who was at fault in Liverpool and Fulham games for goals conceded.

Will he get better? Yes, but we've seen this from kiwor before with few good games and bad ones.

Arsenal need a better CB to compete on all fronts.

I'm living in the moment

 

[Amjid Javed]

Understandable because last season Arsenal were intimidated by big atmospheres away from home and also against big opposition.

If we cast our minds back to the Bayern game in the QF fixture last year, we gifted like 2 of those goals.

If we were to play them now, I am confident we would beat them quite comfortably.

Arsenal’s improvement in Europe is due to the change in mentality. They look more calm and relaxed on and off the ball.

Bayern werent great last season, same goes for this season.

This is why Inter beating them is no shock. (Something I said would happpen), even Celtic exposed Bayern in last round.

Yeah Arsenal naivety was exposed last season, this season key players Rice and few others learnt their lesson and stepped up.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I'm living in the moment

Fair play, but we see players have a few decent games and then think we don't need to sign better quality.

We saw this with havertz scoring a few goals last season, then stupidly decided we didn't need a new striker.

Players need to be evaluated on consistent performances, not a one off purple patch.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Ambition now is no different, just because the Manager and poster boy spew out PR nonsense, doesn't mean the Ambition has changed.

Unless you’re a mind reader, this is purely your opinion based on little evidence.
On the contrary, top level sportsmen are highly motivated, competitive and ambitious. That’s the reason they get to the top level.
I believe the Arsenal players & coaching staff exhibit these traits as well.
So regardless of the owners, and Kroenke has never denied his main driver is to make money, the current environment at the club is conducive to bring success.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Arsenal have regressed in PL this season, Arsenal haven't even been in a title race this season. Liverpool have had a 9 point lead over Arsenal since match week 11. So how exactly is that close in PL?

Almost most metrics, points, goals scored etc.. have dropped this season. How's that progression?

Domestic cup performances have been abysmal.

The CL is now essentially only hope of salvaging a failed season.

Also this nonsense that only 1 club can win PL and CL every season, is just an excuse for you to justify failure.

Progression at big clubs is measured on trophies won.

Agree that Arsenal have not been able to build up the momentum to challenge for the PL this season, unlike the previous two seasons.
However, there have been several other factors other than team performance that have contributed to this.
We know what these were and how they hampered the impetus.
But by your logic Arsenal will be one of 15/16 PL clubs that will have failed this season.
All about perspective and I’m concluding that we will be polar opposites.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Unless you’re a mind reader, this is purely your opinion based on little evidence.
On the contrary, top level sportsmen are highly motivated, competitive and ambitious. That’s the reason they get to the top level.
I believe the Arsenal players & coaching staff exhibit these traits as well.
So regardless of the owners, and Kroenke has never denied his main driver is to make money, the current environment at the club is conducive to bring success.

Current environment is conducive to bring success? Based on what?

The owners have zero ambition, they showed that in January when they were waving the white flag in regards to zero recruitment.

So how exactly are Arsenal going to dominate or win trophies etc.. when their is no appetite to get ahead of other clubs around them when opportunity arises.

The manager and captain has zero pressure to win titles, ultimately that lack of accountability is why the club keeps falling short.

You can yap on about motivation etc.. everyone knows when your job is on the line or the owners or president at the club lays out the demands of the club, completely different when the owners only care for money.

Liverpool owners are no different, only reason they got success was the good manager they had and the good recruitment they had over time.

Most successful clubs now, regularly invest and take advantage when opportunity rises. Arsenal don't act in that way.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Agree that Arsenal have not been able to build up the momentum to challenge for the PL this season, unlike the previous two seasons.
However, there have been several other factors other than team performance that have contributed to this.
We know what these were and how they hampered the impetus.
But by your logic Arsenal will be one of 15/16 PL clubs that will have failed this season.
All about perspective and I’m concluding that we will be polar opposites.

If Arsenal win the CL that will ultimately be the 1st marker of progression with an end result. Also will be clubs greatest achievement In Europe.

Arsenal don't win the CL, then this "progression" In PL and CL will be failure.

We've seen a younger Arsenal team fail in title races and lose a CL semi final, what was all that progression worth?

Spurs were in 2 title races and got to a CL final under Poch, again what was all that progression worth?

The poor league form, recruitment is on the manager.

We won 4 and drew 1 out of our 1st 5 games. Oddegard gets injured, all off sudden the manager makes a mess off other solutions. That's where Liverpool got the 9 point lead from

So the fan base can cry about injuries, referees, other factors. The reality is the manager dropped the ball and ever since Arsenal were chasing a lost cause in the league.

It was no different to Arteta forcing havertz into team in midfield last season.

Small margins which meant Arsenal were playing catching up.

So for all the "progression" the reality is in the PL, when Arsenal get a few injuries or suspensions. The manager doesn't have the ability to find solutions quick enough which ultimately has cost Arsenal 2 PL titles and a nonexistent title challenge this season.

It's all good picking your starting 11 game after game, it's about how you manage your squad

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Well said bro. The guy clearly has an agenda against Rice and doesn’t want to give him the credit he deserves.

Back to back man of the match. Best player for Arsenal in the PL but he comes out with excuses about how Madrid been “rubbish” this season.

Ok Uncle. Hope you took your BP tablets before you posted that. Lol

I've said the aame about Bellingham, who don't forget last season had a outstanding season, winning major titles as well as goals and assists.

 

[topspin]

Ok Uncle. Hope you took your BP tablets before you posted that. Lol

I never see the same energy for Maguire on the Man U thread.

Let me ask you a question. Which was a better buy?

Rice - £100m
Maguire - £80m

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Bayern werent great last season, same goes for this season.

This is why Inter beating them is no shock. (Something I said would happpen), even Celtic exposed Bayern in last round.

Yeah Arsenal naivety was exposed last season, this season key players Rice and few others learnt their lesson and stepped up.

Bayern desperately missed Musiala. He's a generational talent. Had he played, inter would have struggled, same as when the Gooners played Bayern last season, Musiala destroyed Arsenal midfiled in the pockets, they could not pick him up.

 

[topspin]

Ok Uncle. Hope you took your BP tablets before you posted that. Lol

Not all all, I’m enjoying the moment like other Arsenal fans.

If anyone needs it, it would be you after how all of your Rice bashing has backfired in spectacular fashion.

I've said the aame about Bellingham, who don't forget last season had a outstanding season, winning major titles as well as goals and assists.

Bellingham and Rice are top tier players. I would say they are among the top 3 players for England (along with Saka).

Not every English player is dead like your Harry Maguire.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

I never see the same energy for Maguire on the Man U thread.

Let me ask you a question. Which was a better buy?

Rice - £100m
Maguire - £80m

Rice, Havertz, Timber where brought in to win Arsenal majors

Until they do, then nothings changed.

Maguire was a very poor signing, never wanted him, but the reality is English players have the added transfer fee attached to them for some reason.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Not all all, I’m enjoying the moment like other Arsenal fans.

If anyone needs it, it would be you after how all of your Rice bashing has backfired in spectacular fashion.



Bellingham and Rice are top tier players. I would say they are among the top 3 players for England (along with Saka).

Not every English player is dead like your Harry Maguire.

Bellingham has proven it, for Madrid. But he's static and can't beat the lines.

Yamal, musiala , Florian wirtz, and few of the spanish guys are game changers