Arsenal FC | 2024/25 Season

[Iqbal'sh]

I’d rank CL win over the others. It’s harder to achieve. And because Arsenal hasn’t done it I think it means even more to Arsenal.

Domestic cups like fa cup I hardly care about anymore. Probably because Arsenal has won it so many times. I’d rather have top 4 in premier league. I also think unfortunately domestic cups like this don’t evidence improvement towards the main goal of winning the league or champions league which top 4 sort of does (as we saw with ten Haag winning domestic cups).

That’s probably why I’m a bit more pro Arteta. I want Arsenal to be consistently challenging for title and Europe. The team looks organised and well built. That’s what’s important, not another fa cup. There’s been a clear improvement over the last three years or so where the squad is being structured well.

In fact there’s the defense and defensive midfielder positions overall might well be amongst the strongest in europe already. Which is probably why arsenal are doing well in champions league. Theres really only 2 or 3 positions left to fix upfront to turn this into a truly formidable side. And that hopefully will be fixed in the next transfer windows.

Slow and steady continuous improvement is the key. No need to devolve into chaos like Chelsea and man united despite spending a lot of money.

Liverpool will win the league which is a disappointment for arsenal considering arsenal were favourites at start of the league. But bad injuries, along with experienced winners stepping up like Salah, Allison, Van Dyk etc. guys which Arsenal don’t have yet because Arsenal haven’t won anything, it makes sense. Liverpool really have some fantastic players. Until Arsenal get over the hurdle of their first premier league for a long while or first champions league, I think it will continually be a struggle mentally. Once you get your first, so much easier to win titles in the future. Liverpool after all won the champions league with that side before clinching the premier league. And there’s no right to win a title really, best thing you can do is be title challenging, try your best and hope it happens. Nothings a guarantee, after all in basically any other season Liverpool’s finishes would have been league wins. Arsenal have been not even title challenging or anything in Europe for 15 years. Finally being that again is a definite step up.

Well balanced and agree with points made.
Would add to your point about Liverpool that they arguably have 4 world class players in their side which is astonishing.
Additionally, the red cards and some other debatable refereeing decisions going against us / for Liverpool have made the gap in terms of points wider than it should be.

 

[topspin]

Well balanced and agree with points made.
Would add to your point about Liverpool that they arguably have 4 world class players in their side which is astonishing.
Additionally, the red cards and some other debatable refereeing decisions going against us / for Liverpool have made the gap in terms of points wider than it should be.

Not taking anything away from Liverpool. They full deserve the title but Arsenal have been on the end of some terrible refereeing decisions, I agree.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Quite a few fans have stayed that sign a striker and left winger and it's job done interms of what Arsenal need to get over the line for the title.

Yet are neglecting the glaring issues in midfield in terms of a starting line up but also depth. When I mean depth is actually coming in and doing a job, because most of fan base start crying once we get a few injuries.

Have a look at Arsenal midfield options

Rice - been outstanding and good shout for player of season.
Partey - has been excellent this season, but is he going to be kept

Jorginho - rightly been moved on.
Oddegard - absolutely poor, should no longer be captain. Questions have to be asked if he's at level to help club win the title

Merino - he was signed to play in midfield and hes been mediocre in that position, most fans asking what does he even do? Has he done a decent job as a make shift striker? Yeah. But reality is what he was actually signed for hasn't come off.

Havertz - same as merino, poor in midfield. Then again used as striker and has done a bit better.

So if jorghino and Partey leave you left with Rice, oddegard, havertz, Merino.

Are those 4 players in midfield going to win you a PL title?

Zubimendi is link, he's quality. But how quickly will he adapt to PL on and off the pitch.

Also Arsenal need more creativity in midfield.

We've already seen how detrimental havertz was in midfield last season, Merino in 1st half of this season in midfield was pretty much the same.

Only takes a cluster of 3 or 4 indifferent games and your playing catch up with whoever is in 1st place.

So Arsenal midfield which needs at least 1 or if not 2 quality signings to get it up to the level to be in a title race again.

How ambitious Liverpool are in spending in summer is unknown. If City are still in PL next season they will spend big to try n win title again.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Mate you're just 4 points behind us and are flying at the moment...

That was some jinx!!
Are you able to reply to a Liverpool fan now about them soon to be crowned as PL champs please.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Not taking anything away from Liverpool. They full deserve the title but Arsenal have been on the end of some terrible refereeing decisions, I agree.

let's not start this victims mentality stuff again.

Liverpool have had a 9 point lead over Arsenal since game week 11.

What has cost Arsenal was the poor fashion they played in after the 1st International break. Ultimately the 4 games below are where it fell apart.

Bournemouth - saliba rightly sent off as he was last man. Arsenal were poor in that game

Liverpool - gifted 2 poor goals to liverpool

Newcastle - Didn't even create a chance in game

Chelsea - didn't do enough to win the game

That 4 game run of 2 draws and 2 losses, where a clear lack of creativity And we picked up 2 from 12.

Arsenal Midfield in those 4 game was atrocious, and if you want to win a title you can't go 4 games without defeat.

In all 4 of those games, the referees weren't an issue, it was Arsenal poor midfield, no creativity and no clinical edge in final 3rd

All this crying over referees, injuries, victims mentality has to stop.

Arsenal have never recovered from giving Liverpool that 9 point Gap.

 

[topspin]

let's not start this victims mentality stuff again.

Liverpool have had a 9 point lead over Arsenal since game week 11.

What has cost Arsenal was the poor fashion they played in after the 1st International break. Ultimately the 4 games below are where it fell apart.

Bournemouth - saliba rightly sent off as he was last man. Arsenal were poor in that game

Liverpool - gifted 2 poor goals to liverpool

Newcastle - Didn't even create a chance in game

Chelsea - didn't do enough to win the game

That 4 game run of 2 draws and 2 losses, where a clear lack of creativity And we picked up 2 from 12.

Arsenal Midfield in those 4 game was atrocious, and if you want to win a title you can't go 4 games without defeat.

In all 4 of those games, the referees weren't an issue, it was Arsenal poor midfield, no creativity and no clinical edge in final 3rd

All this crying over referees, injuries, victims mentality has to stop.

Arsenal have never recovered from giving Liverpool that 9 point Gap.

I've never seen it this bad against Arsenal, it's been so bad that even non-Arsenal supporters have been highlighted how unlucky Arsenal have been:

So what do you have to say about that?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

let's not start this victims mentality stuff again.

Liverpool have had a 9 point lead over Arsenal since game week 11.

What has cost Arsenal was the poor fashion they played in after the 1st International break. Ultimately the 4 games below are where it fell apart.

Bournemouth - saliba rightly sent off as he was last man. Arsenal were poor in that game

Liverpool - gifted 2 poor goals to liverpool

Newcastle - Didn't even create a chance in game

Chelsea - didn't do enough to win the game

That 4 game run of 2 draws and 2 losses, where a clear lack of creativity And we picked up 2 from 12.

Arsenal Midfield in those 4 game was atrocious, and if you want to win a title you can't go 4 games without defeat.

In all 4 of those games, the referees weren't an issue, it was Arsenal poor midfield, no creativity and no clinical edge in final 3rd

All this crying over referees, injuries, victims mentality has to stop.

Arsenal have never recovered from giving Liverpool that 9 point Gap.

Spot on. Arsenal have never looked like challenging Liverpool right from the Go.

whilst we've had Salah operating at world class levels with Van dyk and Alisson, same cant be said of Arsenal whose so called Top players have been very inconsistent to say the least.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I've never seen it this bad against Arsenal, it's been so bad that even non-Arsenal supporters have been highlighted how unlucky Arsenal have been:

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So what do you have to say about that?

Arsenal dropped points in 8 games in the 1st 16 games this season.

1 - Brighton - Rice Red card? Why wasn't Partey sent off for a blatant pull when on a 2nd yellow? Are you going to kick up a fuss over partey not been sent off

2 - Man city - Trossard sent for stupidly jumping into a player on 2nd yellow.

3 - Bournemouth - saliba rightly sent off
4 - Liverpool
5 - Newcastle
6 - Chelsea
7- Fulham
8 - Everton

so even if for Argument sake you say, trossard doesn't get set off. We were playing Man city away, who at the time had Rodri still in the team, so there was no guarantee we would have won that game 11 vs 11.

The other 7 games, there's pretty much no argument on why points were dropped.

Liverpool are on course to get 90 points this season. To get 90 points you can only really drop points in 9 maybe 10 games.

So even if Arsenal won at eithad. Arsenal will have still had dropped points in 7 out of the 1st - 16 games. 32 points from 16 games if they had won at eithad

So then if you look at the remaining 22 games your essentially looking at Arsenal getting 58 points. Which means they could have only afforded to drop points in 3 games max.

You honestly telling me with the poor way Arsenal played between the Bournemouth and Chelsea where we picked 2 points from 12. This same team was going to then win essentially 18 or 19 out of the remaining 22 games

This is what anoys me with the refereeing excuses. Facts are we had dropped to many points in 1st 16 games. Reality is the Man city game is the only one out of those 8 games you could maybe kick a fuss over.

Even then ask urself the question, while on a yellow card, why did trossars jump into a player with no intention of playing the ball.

Then finally since the 0-0 Everton game.

We dropped points vs villa, West ham and Man united where there was no refereeing issues.

So that already accounts for 9 or 10 games this season where we have no excuses on why we dropped points.

You can't drop points in 7 or 8 games in 1st half of season and expect to win the league. Its as simple as that.

 

[IMMY69]

Arsenal dropped points in 8 games in the 1st 16 games this season.

1 - Brighton - Rice Red card? Why wasn't Partey sent off for a blatant pull when on a 2nd yellow? Are you going to kick up a fuss over partey not been sent off

2 - Man city - Trossard sent for stupidly jumping into a player on 2nd yellow.

3 - Bournemouth - saliba rightly sent off
4 - Liverpool
5 - Newcastle
6 - Chelsea
7- Fulham
8 - Everton

so even if for Argument sake you say, trossard doesn't get set off. We were playing Man city away, who at the time had Rodri still in the team, so there was no guarantee we would have won that game 11 vs 11.

The other 7 games, there's pretty much no argument on why points were dropped.

Liverpool are on course to get 90 points this season. To get 90 points you can only really drop points in 9 maybe 10 games.

So even if Arsenal won at eithad. Arsenal will have still had dropped points in 7 out of the 1st - 16 games. 32 points from 16 games if they had won at eithad

So then if you look at the remaining 22 games your essentially looking at Arsenal getting 58 points. Which means they could have only afforded to drop points in 3 games max.

You honestly telling me with the poor way Arsenal played between the Bournemouth and Chelsea where we picked 2 points from 12. This same team was going to then win essentially 18 or 19 out of the remaining 22 games

This is what anoys me with the refereeing excuses. Facts are we had dropped to many points in 1st 16 games. Reality is the Man city game is the only one out of those 8 games you could maybe kick a fuss over.

Even then ask urself the question, while on a yellow card, why did trossars jump into a player with no intention of playing the ball.

Then finally since the 0-0 Everton game.

We dropped points vs villa, West ham and Man united where there was no refereeing issues.

So that already accounts for 9 or 10 games this season where we have no excuses on why we dropped points.

You can't drop points in 7 or 8 games in 1st half of season and expect to win the league. Its as simple as that.

You know I'm now convinced you're a Spurs fan,

 

[Amjid Javed]

You know I'm now convinced you're a Spurs fan

Not really, but people need to stop playing victim card

You, @MK7Z And few others kicked up a fuss over Rice Red card, where was same energy when partey wasn't sent off? I even mentioned it at the time.

As far trossard goes vs man city. That his own stupidly for jumping into a city player when on a yellow. Why give tye referee a decision to make.

Reality is 2 points from 12 vs Bournemouth, Liverpool, Newcastle and Chelsea is why Arsenal were playing catch up.

Instead most people want to make an excuse instead of facing reality.

You can't drop points in 7 or 8 games in 1st half of season, it's as simple as that.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Spot on. Arsenal have never looked like challenging Liverpool right from the Go.

whilst we've had Salah operating at world class levels with Van dyk and Alisson, same cant be said of Arsenal whose so called Top players have been very inconsistent to say the least.

Unfortunately the cry baby mentality runs through the team and fan base when it comes to excuses.

Rather then call the manager out, or the players out for a poor 4 game period where we got 2 points from 12, they would rather cry about referees.

Same thing happened seaaon before in December where Arsenal took 4 points from 5 games, losing 3 of those.

2 seasons running Arsenal 1st half of season has been not to the standard required for a team wanting to win a title, espcially when you know you probably going to have to get 90 points to win it

 

[topspin]

You know I'm now convinced you're a Spurs fan, either that or you've forgotten to take your medicine again

I've also been wondering whether he's actually an Arsenal fan. You got a famous Man U fan and an ex-Palace owner telling you how unlucky Arsenal have been with refereeing decisions and then you have him with this Arteta agenda that he's had ever since he got appointed.

 

[Amjid Javed]

@topspin let me just add to the previous post I responded on.

So in first 16 games we dropped points in 8.

So debate games

Brighton

- Should Rice of been sent off? Its very harsh. But by letter of law it's a 2nd yellow. But at same time if hes not sent off. Partey should have been so the 2 incidents cancel each other out

Trossard vs Man city

1st yellow - deliberate foul n pull back.

On the 2nd incidents

- is their any danger to Arsenal - No
- did trossard attempt to win ball vs Bernado - No
- trosard pretty much runs and then smashes his shoulder into a player.

Even if he didn't kick the ball away, he could have still got a 2nd yellow for his shoulder barge. Feel free to watch the replays of the foul.

Feel free to be as honest as you want on this. But in the case of Trossard, the 2 fouls he committed are worthy of yellow cards.

The other 6 games, there no real case to complain about dropping points

So you can say about referees being worst it is, or be honest and say Arsenal were **** in over half the games in the 1st 16.

Feel free to indicate where Arsenal were unlucky here. Seen as though your crying about it

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Unfortunately the cry baby mentality runs through the team and fan base when it comes to excuses.

Rather then call the manager out, or the players out for a poor 4 game period where we got 2 points from 12, they would rather cry about referees.

Same thing happened seaaon before in December where Arsenal took 4 points from 5 games, losing 3 of those.

2 seasons running Arsenal 1st half of season has been not to the standard required for a team wanting to win a title, espcially when you know you probably going to have to get 90 points to win it

If Arteta is trophyless again this season, he has to be sacked. You Gooners are crying out for a guy to take you to the next level which is to win trophies. Only winners are remembered, not also rans.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If Arteta is trophyless again this season, he has to be sacked. You Gooners are crying out for a guy to take you to the next level which is to win trophies. Only winners are remembered, not also rans.

Fan base would rather cry and make excuses to make themselves better than be honest about things

 

[Amjid Javed]

I've also been wondering whether he's actually an Arsenal fan. You got a famous Man U fan and an ex-Palace owner telling you how unlucky Arsenal have been with refereeing decisions and then you have him with this Arteta agenda that he's had ever since he got appointed.

Feel free to address in the 8 games Arsenal dropped points in the 1st 16 where Arsenal were unlucky.

Seems like uve gone back into excuse mode.

 

[IMMY69]

If Arteta is trophyless again this season, he has to be sacked. You Gooners are crying out for a guy to take you to the next level which is to win trophies. Only winners are remembered, not also rans.

You'd take Arteta at Manu in a heartbeat

 

[IMMY69]

I've also been wondering whether he's actually an Arsenal fan. You got a famous Man U fan and an ex-Palace owner telling you how unlucky Arsenal have been with refereeing decisions and then you have him with this Arteta agenda that he's had ever since he got appointed.

He's so passionate that it almost got me thinking about Arteta too. Then common sense kicked in.

People are of course welcome to agree with AJ's views but I'm gonna stick to what I see on the field and if I'm going to listen to people then I'd rather listen to the actual experts who all rate Arteta highly...

 

[Amjid Javed]

Id rather call out the club and manager (regardless of who he is) to improve so that clubs is successful. Then be a cry baby that rolls out excuses every time the club's fails.

Oh it's referees
Oh it's VAR
Oh it's not fair Man city have more money
Oh it's not fair Liverpool have been lucky
Oh if we sign a striker
Oh we will something this season, if not next season

A club which has a mentally weak captain and then a fan base where a huge majority are just as feeble

I wonder what the next excuses will be..

Yet I have an agenda because I want my club to be successful and to win stuff.

 

[IMMY69]

Id rather call out the club and manager (regardless of who he is) to improve so that clubs is successful. Then be a cry baby that rolls out excuses every time the club's fails.

Oh it's referees
Oh it's VAR
Oh it's not fair Man city have more money
Oh it's not fair Liverpool have been lucky
Oh if we sign a striker
Oh we will something this season, if not next season

A club which has a mentally weak captain and then a fan base where a huge majority are just as feeble

I wonder what the next excuses will be..

Yet I have an agenda because I want my club to be successful and to win stuff.

Look mate be grateful Spuds are in the semis of the Europa... you could end up winning a trophy after god knows how many years... and if it means coming fourth of firth from bottom then I suppose it was worth it...

 

[topspin]

@Amjid Javed

You have misinterpreted my post and basically put words in my mouth.

You've assumed that I'm blaming ref decisions for why Arsenal have fallen short in the title race. Just to make it clear this is not my sentiment even in the slightest.

What I actually think is in line with what @Iqbal'sh said: "the gap in terms of points wider than it should be". That is what I'm saying, so there was no need for you to have another meltdown on this thread.

 

[topspin]

Look mate be grateful Spuds are in the semis of the Europa... you could end up winning a trophy after god knows how many years... and if it means coming fourth of firth from bottom then I suppose it was worth it...

I wouldn't put it past him if this was the reality.

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Amjid Javed

You have misinterpreted my post and basically put words in my mouth.

You've assumed that I'm blaming ref decisions for why Arsenal have fallen short in the title race. Just to make it clear this is not my sentiment even in the slightest.

I agree with @Iqbal'sh when he says "the gap in terms of points wider than it should be". That is what I'm saying, so there was no need for you to have another meltdown on this thread.

I didn't put any words in your mouth.

I listed out 8 games where points were dropped and was hoping to see what your response and analysis once.

Inarticular I highlighted two clear games.

The Brighton game.

I know how you feel about the Rice Red card and the "injustice". What I was looking to see was are you going to use Same level of energy on Partey not being sent off. Or to see if it was a case of playing the victim.

Same goes for the trossard incident, this is why I asked specific questions.

All I was looking to see was again are we playing victim card or can you be open, honest, impartial and objective.

You didn't Answer, so pointless exercise in seeing how honest you were going go be.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

You'd take Arteta at Manu in a heartbeat

If Proven winners like Jose said The Utd position is a Poison chalice, then what good would a serial bottler like Arteta achieve at a club where continued miss management has led to issues which would Dwarf the issues You initially faced and now face though to a lesser extent. He would fail miserably in my opinion

 

[topspin]

You didn't Answer, so pointless exercise in seeing how honest you were going go be.

Remember when you disagreed with me when I told you Arsenal had improved in Europe? Will you admit you were wrong? Let's see if you can practice what you can preach.

 

[topspin]

If Proven winners like Jose said The Utd position is a Poison chalice, then what good would a serial bottler like Arteta achieve at a club where continued miss management has led to issues which would Dwarf the issues You initially faced and now face though to a lesser extent. He would fail miserably in my opinion

Arteta and ETH are the same aren't they?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Arteta and ETH are the same aren't they?

The millions they've spent, I think Ten hag definitely failed, and unless Arteta rectifies his shortcomings by winning the champions league he also has been a failure.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Remember when you disagreed with me when I told you Arsenal had improved in Europe? Will you admit you were wrong? Let's see if you can practice what you can preach.

what has my views on the manager got to with decisions in game?


Example - I gave honest Answer on Rice and said red could have been seen as harsh. At same time Partey should be sent off. Did you mention that? No because it doesn't suit you "Arsenal is a victims agenda"

Now randomly your bringing up Arsenal performances in Europe? What's that got to do with referees decisions?

I stated my opinion which everyone Is entitled to. Did I give Arsenal credit to beating Madrid? Yes I did. That's call balance, criticise failure, credit for doing well.

I said Arsenal improvement would be measured when they played a team of high quality in the knock stage. So what ever happened in group stage was irrelevant. Last season Arsenal got knocked out by 1st top side they played. So an improvement is getting over that hurdle which they have. I said well done Arsenal.

Learn the basics of discussion. Anything I say is based on a certain point in time. Which is basd on thst point in time or what's happened previously.

I can easily dig up some of the past opinions on certain subjects, randomly insert them into a conversation which has zero relevance. What's the actual point?

Either feel free to answer the 2 question I asked, if not fair enough.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Remember when you disagreed with me when I told you Arsenal had improved in Europe? Will you admit you were wrong? Let's see if you can practice what you can preach.

Your the guy that was harping on about havertz Is a top 10 strikers in the world at start of the season.

Same guy who accused me of having an agenda against oddegard, because you gave into pressure from the group. You cudnt even stand by your own initial beliefs and opinions. Instead you gave into peer pressure to fit in. You cudnt even been honest to urself.

Now you randomly bring up Europe performances on a discussion which is to do with refereeing decisions.

What is this? Let's act all high and mighty demand apologies because you think your a top Gooner? Because your super positive?

 

[Amjid Javed]

The millions they've spent, I think Ten hag definitely failed, and unless Arteta rectifies his shortcomings by winning the champions league he also has been a failure.

Your not allowed to mention

- not being in title race
- being humilated home and away vs Newcastle in league cup semi
- being humilated by man utd in FA cup

As its seen as having an "Agenda"

You have to blindly ignore these failures.

This is what happens in this fan base.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Look mate be grateful Spuds are in the semis of the Europa... you could end up winning a trophy after god knows how many years... and if it means coming fourth of firth from bottom then I suppose it was worth it...

The irony of you two calling me a spurs fan is hilarious.

Reality is the same thing spurs fans celebrated, being in title races, winning A CL 1/4 final, most points in a calender etc. Are the sort of things you two happy with and you dress up as "progress"

On the other hand I demand what I think Is best for Arsenal to win trophies. So if I don't think the manager, players are good enough it's because I want players and managers that can deliver PL titles

 

[Amjid Javed]

I wouldn't put it past him if this was the reality.

"Your not Arsenal fan because you didn't support spurs vs Man city"

Support club rivals
Celebrating being in title races
Celebrating winning a CL quarter final
Celebrating most points in PL
Celebrating most goal in PL
Celebrating getting most points in calender

This is the sort if stuff you two celebrate

 

[BouncerGuy]

CAN WE NOT MAKE PERSONAL REFERENCES???

TALK ABOUT ARSENAL INSTEAD OF MAKING PERSONAL REMARKS

 

[IMMY69]

The irony of you two calling me a spurs fan is hilarious.

Reality is the same thing spurs fans celebrated, being in title races, winning A CL 1/4 final, most points in a calender etc. Are the sort of things you two happy with and you dress up as "progress"

On the other hand I demand what I think Is best for Arsenal to win trophies. So if I don't think the manager, players are good enough it's because I want players and managers that can deliver PL titles

Well I find it astonishing the way you attack the club...
It's tiresome.

You are of course allowed to have your views but from an Arsenal supporters point of view, you're very much in the minority... that doesn't make you wrong but you should also accept the fact that there are many Arsenal fans as well as pundits that include top ex players as well as journalists who think Arteta is overall doing a great job.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Well I find it astonishing the way you attack the club...
It's tiresome.

You are of course allowed to have your views but from an Arsenal supporters point of view, you're very much in the minority... that doesn't make you wrong but you should also accept the fact that there are many Arsenal fans as well as pundits that include top ex players as well as journalists who think Arteta is overall doing a great job.

Minority? There are plenty of Arsenal fans who want better standards for the club.

Journalist who think Arteta is doing the a good Job. The same journalist in press conference that will only ask certain questions. Same journalist who will only post certain things about Arteta, why? Because if they post anything so called negative or questionable about Arteta they then don't get invited to press conference.

Why do you think certain journalist tend to release "exclusive Arsenal news" ? It's because the club gives thar information, usually in return for journalist giving positive articles on Arsenal.

Same goes for ex players, do you see keown or parlour, groves criticise Arteta? No because they are paid ambassadors at the club. Also they have various different media jobs at the club.

Have you seen Henry, Petit, Walcott, Vieira criticise the club at times? Yeah they have. Why because they don't have jobs at Arsenal

Your so niave it's hilarious.

Most journalist Charles Watts, James Benge, sophie nicklauo etc. Who are usually in Arsenal press conferences are writing articles never challenging the manager or the club. Why because the club give these journalist media access to the club and exclusive interviews. Its the same for other journalist at other clubs, are now all of sudden experts on if someone is supposedly doing a good job.

naivety at its finest

What's most tiresome is the list of excuses you pedal out every season.

If Arsenal get a striker in summer and don't win anything I guarantee both you and topspin will come up with a new excuse.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Well I find it astonishing the way you attack the club...
It's tiresome.

You are of course allowed to have your views but from an Arsenal supporters point of view, you're very much in the minority... that doesn't make you wrong but you should also accept the fact that there are many Arsenal fans as well as pundits that include top ex players as well as journalists who think Arteta is overall doing a great job.

I find your naivety, excuses boring.

Your happy with Arsenal just competing, which is no different to spurs.

Ironically you call others spurs fan.

 

[Amjid Javed]

You know I'm now convinced you're a Spurs fan,

Says the guy who was wearing a spurs shirt and scarf during Man city game.

Please spurs I beg you to beat Man city, please please

We all know how desperate you were for spurs to win.

 

[IMMY69]

@Amjid Javed
You get triggered so easily, you need to calm down... please, and I say this sincerely, get some help

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Amjid Javed
You get triggered so easily, you need to calm down... please, and I say this sincerely, get some help

an old senile naive poster telling me to get help. Go take the nurses to give you your medication

 

[aboveandbeyond]

@IMMY69 is a respected poster. Please can we cut this nonsense out. We need to respect each other's opnions.

 

[Amjid Javed]

@IMMY69 is a respected poster. Please can we cut this nonsense out. We need to respect each other's opnions.

No respect for losers like him, he's an excuse merchant. The irony that he wants to accuse others of being spurs fan, then was openly begging Spurs to win last season.

we all know him and topspin enjoy getting on their knees to beg for favours.

 

[IMMY69]

an old senile naive poster telling me to get help. Go take the nurses to give you your medication

I advise like you an older brother and still you get triggered..

 

[Amjid Javed]

I advise like you an older brother and still you get triggered..

Your last person id take advise from.

Biggest loser in the fan base, don't worry oddegard aka Topspin is coming for crown.

 

[topspin]

Your last person id take advise from.

Biggest loser in the fan base, don't worry oddegard aka Topspin is coming for crown.

I’m not gonna lie. You do need help.

You have gone back to your obnoxious ways, all because I stated an opinion regarding refereeing decisions.

You are clearly touched in the head.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I’m not gonna lie. You do need help.

You have gone back to your obnoxious ways, all because I stated an opinion regarding refereeing decisions.

You are clearly touched in the head.

Only person that needs help is you.

You randomly brought up stuff into a conversation that wasn't needed.

All because you wanted abit of validation because you got a prediction right.

The reality is when you 1st made that prediction you then dissapeared for 3 months. Then flip flopped on other predictions like oddegard.

So your creditibility is non existent.

Also don't need to be told what I need from some one like you is know to enjoy getting on his knees to beg for stuff..

Your calling me obnoxious yet you act like a self entitled brat urself

 

[Amjid Javed]

I’m not gonna lie. You do need help.

You have gone back to your obnoxious ways, all because I stated an opinion regarding refereeing decisions.

You are clearly touched in the head.

Only person touched in head is you.

Everyone knows real reasons you such a big Arteta fan.

Everyone also knows why you enjoy getting on your knees regularly as well.

 

[topspin]

Only person that needs help is you.

You randomly brought up stuff into a conversation that wasn't needed.

Because you insinuated that I’m dishonest. So I thought I would ask you to something to see if you practice what you preach.

As expected, you are unable to admit that you got it wrong, so why preach honesty when you are incapable of telling the truth?

All because you wanted abit of validation because you got a prediction right.

The reality is when you 1st made that prediction you then dissapeared for 3 months. Then flip flopped on other predictions like oddegard.

Believe me, I don’t need any validation from you. You have already been left with egg on your face after being adamant that Arsenal had not improved in Europe this season.

 

[topspin]

Only person touched in head is you.

Say whatever you want, it doesn’t affect me.

But I’ll be real with you. I don’t know what your lifestyle is or whether you have some issues or if you are going through a mid life crisis, but you really need to get professional help.

Everyone knows real reasons you such a big Arteta fan.

Everyone also knows why you enjoy getting on your knees regularly as well.

I have been critical of Arteta and have given praise where it’s due.

I believe Arsenal are very close to winning something major either this season or this time next year.

The truth is you have an agenda against Arteta.

@Iqbal'sh has already exposed you on that.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

No respect for losers like him, he's an excuse merchant. The irony that he wants to accuse others of being spurs fan, then was openly begging Spurs to win last season.

we all know him and topspin enjoy getting on their knees to beg for favours.

Your input in General is unquestionably very good.

But seriously, no one has to resort to name calling. Let's just respect each other's opnions. And if we don't agree, let's just move on.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Say whatever you want, it doesn’t affect me.

But I’ll be real with you. You post like some coke head. I don’t know what your lifestyle is or whether you have mental issues or if you are going through a mid life crisis, but you really need to get professional help.



I have been critical of Arteta and have given praise where it’s due.

I believe Arsenal are very close to winning something major either this season or this time next year.

The truth is you have an agenda against Arteta.

@Iqbal'sh has already exposed you on that.

I post like some coke head?

Now your making assumptions on.my life style. This coming from you a guy, who openly enjoy going to certain clubs and getting on his knees.

Only person who needs help is you, begging others for favours pretty much sums you up as the loser thar you are

 

[topspin]

I post like some coke head?

Now your making assumptions on.my life style. This coming from you a guy, who openly enjoy going to certain clubs and getting on his knees.

Only person who needs help is you, begging others for favours pretty much sums you up as the loser thar you are

Yes the way you are going after me, Immy and Iqbal over the last 24 hours or so, just because we have a difference in opinions sums up your issues. Go get yourself checked up before it’s too late.

This will be my last post on this topic.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I hope after this game, all this Odegaard disrespect will finally stop.

Yes, I had my concerns with him prior to this year but since Jan 2024, he's entered his prime and has turned into a world class CAM. He would walk into any team.

amazing ball knowledge

World class CAM

 

[Amjid Javed]

The top priority should certainly be a Left winger, who is an upgrade on Martinelli and can also cover for Ode as a CAM.

So someone like Musiala.

Amazing insight

Musiala as back up for oddegard

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Amazing insight

Musiala as back up for oddegard

Musiala is a baller. No one in the Premier League comes near him. He's a generational talent.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Believe me, I don’t need any validation from you. You have already been left with egg on your face after being adamant that Arsenal had not improved in Europe this season.

Oh look at this amazing ball knowledge. Flipflop merchant, you want to bring up past posts and turn say people had egg on their faces. You soon ate humble pie

You choose to give into peer pressure to suck up to posters like mamoon, then ended up egg all over your face. When you admitted you were wrong

You want to call me out?

 

[IMMY69]

@Amjid Javed
Just relax your mind, enjoy the game today

 

[Amjid Javed]

Musiala is a baller. No one in the Premier League comes near him. He's a generational talent.

Yeah Mr ball knowledge @topspin said Arsenal need to sign musiala as back up for oddegard.

A generational German talent to join Arsenal and sit on bench and watch world class CAM oddegard and top 10 striker havertz play

 

[Amjid Javed]

Say whatever you want, it doesn’t affect me.

But I’ll be real with you. You post like some coke head.

You clearly must have been on drugs after these gems.

How many Grams did you go through before you came to the below conclusion?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Remember when you disagreed with me when I told you Arsenal had improved in Europe? Will you admit you were wrong? Let's see if you can practice what you can preach

Enjoy humble pie imagine calling someone out, when you came out with the below. We all know because you were humilated on this, you dissapeared for 3 months like a coward.

 

[topspin]

Amazing insight

Musiala as back up for oddegard

Yeah Mr ball knowledge @topspin said Arsenal need to sign musiala as back up for oddegard.

A generational German talent to join Arsenal and sit on bench and watch world class CAM oddegard and top 10 striker havertz play

What I actually said was if we bought Musiala, I would use primarily as a LW and use him as cover for Ode in CAM but you deliberately left the bit in bold of it out.

I have no issues with this because not only have you been left with egg on your face, you have now also exposed for your dishonesty.

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Amjid Javed
Just relax your mind, enjoy the game today

Jog on..

 

[Amjid Javed]

What I actually said was if we bought Musiala, I would use primarily as a LW and use him as cover for Ode in CAM but you deliberately left the bit in bold of it out.

I have no issues with this because not only have you been left with egg on your face, you have now also exposed for your dishonesty.

You also said oddegard was a world class CAM and would walk Into any team, the retracted your statement.

Only one here being dishonest here is you. There's your post from Nov 30th.

Please dont start resort to lying. You got egg on your face and then admitted recently to me and Rana you got it wrong.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Imagine being humilated like this @topspin



To this



So one minute oddegard Is world class CAM, the next your accepting your wrong

Your calling me dishonest? You pretty much got abusive with @MK7Z and this after you flip flopped on your oddegard opinion

Only person her with egg on their face is you

 

[Amjid Javed]

What I actually said was if we bought Musiala, I would use primarily as a LW and use him as cover for Ode in CAM but you deliberately left the bit in bold of it out.

I have no issues with this because not only have you been left with egg on your face, you have now also exposed for your dishonesty.

Did you or did you not make this post?



Do you want me to post the havertz is top 10 strikers in world as well?

Do you have the appetite to eat more humble pie?

 

[Amjid Javed]

@MK7Z - the poster who supposedly schooled you and put you in your place

This was their oddegard opinion last year



Then they chose to do a complete 360 turn and decide to give you their opinion on same player.

 

[Amjid Javed]

@topspin Feel free to let me and @Rana know which teams oddegard is walking into. Unless you want to continue being dishonest

 

[Amjid Javed]

Imagine calling oddegard world class and havertz one of top 10 striker in world then acting like Billy Big balls and telling others about their predictions.

World class zero ball knowledge @topspin

 

[Amjid Javed]

Odegaard's issue is all mental. I would say he's mentally the weakest player I've ever seen in the PL. Maddison has had a better career than this guy.

Havertz is a jack of all master of none type of player.

Havertz is top 10 striker in world

Odegaard is world a class CAM



Amazing insight how on 2 occasions you've had egg all over your face.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I'm not sure why this is even up for debate. Are you an Odegaard fan by any chance?

Maddison is better than Odegaard when it comes to pure output. The former is miles ahead as a goal scorer. The Norweigan had just one decent season in this department. This was during 22/23 when he scored 15 goals in the PL from 37 apps. Outside of the 22/23 season for Arsenal, he has scored just 18 goals in 109 apps. That's really poor for a CAM who we all know gets into really good positions in the final third.

Maddison has scored more goals in a similar number games from when Odegaard joined Arsenal despite having inferior players around him. Please don't come up with silly excuses like "he plays with zero expectations". Also, during the same period, Maddison has 50% more assists. This is supposed to be an Odegaard speciality.

The only reason why Maddison isn't playing for a better team is because he's injury prone. At one point Arsenal wanted to sign him but Leicester were asking for £70m. No one is going to pay that for an injury prone midfielder.



This is not even true even in the slightest.

Had Arsenal signed Maddison (instead of Spurs) during the August 2023 transfer window, I can guarantee we would have won the league around this time last year.

Maddison were unplayable during the first half of last season prior to injury. During this period, not only was Odegaard was terrible but he was one of the main reasons why Arsenal lost virtually all of their points in the league last season. The Norweigan only started playing well after the holiday in Dubai.

No one is doubting Odegaard's ability as a player but his weak mentality is one of the main reasons why Arsenal:

• Bottled top 4 during the 21/22 season when he ghosted at the back end of the season
• Bottled the title race during the 21/23 because again he ghosted at the back end of the season and also in some big games as well
• Fell short of the winning the title last season because he was poor during the first half of that season

In addition to the above, under his presence, Norway have not qualified for the WC and Euros despite having a team that is more than qualify for one of these tournaments. The question is why is Haaland's goalscoring record for Norway exceptional but on the other hand, Odegaard's has been terrible?

All this breakdown on oddegard who a few months early was world class

I'm going to take great pleasure in humiliating you now.

 

[topspin]

This was you a few hours before Arsenal destroyed Sporting 5-1 at their home ground:

if Arsenal get anything from tonight's game it will be a shock.

Sporting Also knocked Arsenal out of the Europa, a few seasons ago with Arteta in charge.

After the win, instead of acknowledging that you got this so badly wrong, you went about nitpicking:

Sporting are not a European giant and a very open attacking team.

Huge difference when you playing Porto, Bayern, inter etc. Who can actually defend and hurt you at other end.

This is how we know your views on Arsenal are disingenuous.

As for Arsenal in Europe, there’s no point discussing this further if you can’t acknowledge that the team did better than expected and actually look much better in Europe this season. Like I said you had zero hope of Arsenal getting a draw, let alone tearing apart Sporting on that night.

Where have Arsenal improved in Europe?

Couldn't be more wrong.

These posts sum up why no one should take your views on Arsenal seriously. The fact that you are going after other Arsenal fans and doing everything possible to avoid giving Arteta credit by continuing to nitpick and hide behind excuses sums up your lack of credibility. It's because you either have an agenda or because you are an imposter.

I didn't want to expose you like this and I have continued to give you the benefit of the doubt but I had no choice merely because we are all sick and tired of you crossing the line with your deranged posts.

 

[Amjid Javed]

This was you a few hours before Arsenal destroyed Sporting 5-1 at their home ground:



After the win, instead of acknowledging that you got this so badly wrong, you went about nitpicking:



This is how we know your views on Arsenal are disingenuous.





Couldn't be more wrong.

These posts sum up why no one should take your views on Arsenal seriously. The fact that you are going after other Arsenal fans and doing everything possible to avoid giving Arteta credit by continuing to nitpick and hide behind excuses sums up your lack of credibility. It's because you either have an agenda or because you are an imposter.

I didn't want to expose you like this and I have continued to give you the benefit of the doubt but I had no choice merely because we are all sick and tired of you crossing the line with your deranged posts.

Oh and now you want to bring up my comments on Arsenal in Europe which have been consistent. My point all along was il judge Arsenal in the knockouts stages when they play a big team. Why because last season they fell short vs Bayern. So improve in Europe for me was Arsenal showing they could beat a bayern or Real etc.. in the knockouts.

I made that clear from the start. Not my issues that your yardstick for improvement was wins in group games.

That wasn't my measurement for improvement. So instead uve thrown a hissy fit because I don't agree with what you see as improvement.

Supposedly i have agenda? Are you really that stupid, again I said all along when Arsenal play a big side in the knockouts we will see if they have improved. Again not my problem you can comprehend that.

Have i changed my criteria from what I said last year to this year? No I havent

Theres my post fron last year, I will judge Arsenal when they play a big team who can defend and also hurt Arsenal



Here's my post from a few weeks ago, implying the same thing. We will see if Arsenal can beat a team defensively with equal or better fire power.



Two post 1 from last year and 1 for this year, saying the same thing. I've been consistent on my criteria.

and finally you asked me a question have Arsenal improved?

Oh shock horror, for 3rd time I said the same thing.

Beating a top side in the knockouts (A team of equal or better quality)



Also I said Arsenal had improved.

In summary

- 3 separate occasions I said Arsenal had to beat someone of top quality in knockouts. That's a consistent view (no agenda, no flip flopping like you did)

- Afterwards I gave credit

So feel free to to show me where uve exposed me. When on 3 separate posts I've kept the criteria for improvement the same.

I knew ud bring this up and I was prepares, because I knew my views were same all way through

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

What an awful challenge on Saka, lucky he didn't get injured

Also, what another fantastic assist from Merino, what a guy

 

[Amjid Javed]

Imagine calling oddegard and havert, elite players and back tracking. Then calling me out saying I have am agenda.

@topspin

Consistent view is below

 

[Amjid Javed]

I had no choice merely because we are all sick and tired of you crossing the line with your deranged posts.

your the guy that decided to verbally attack MK7Z on the oddegard discussion. A subject where you flip flopped in the last 6 months.

Then you thought ud try your bully boy tactics with me and you were going to "expose me"

I've just put your so called "exposure" to rest, my views have been consistent and I proved that with 3 different posts essentially around 6 months apart. All saying the same thing.

Seems you have some sort of macho. Testosterone issue, is getting on your knees in night clubs in London not working? Don't call someone else deranged when you can even have zero backbone to be consistent in yor views.

The havertz and oddegard flipflop comments been prime example that you have zero credibility when it comes to football knowledge.

 

[Amjid Javed]

@topspin now let me address your your last bit of nonsense on your so called I will exposes you.

I have stated on 3 separate dates (once last year and twice in the last 6 weeks) that my criteria for Arsenal improving in Europe was to beat a team in the knockout stages of equal or better quality. So the criteria for me has always been the same. Why because we lost bayern last season, we need to show improvement this season

1 - is that a consistent view? Yes it is, as I mentioned same criteria 3 times.

2 - nit picking

Did my criteria change? No
Did I make excuses or discredit, when Arsenak won? No

I actually said Arsenal had improved, also when AB said this Madrid team was trash I said no thats not correct.

So let me know where their is nit picking?

3 - disingenuous

Again, did my criteria change? No
Did I discredit Arsenal or make excuses for Madrid? No

So uve litterally flapped your gums like a petulant child about exposure.

Yet reality is my criteria stayed the same, I said Arsenal improved after beating Madrid, no not picking, no bring disingenuous, and no agenda.

So next time keep you silly little personal comments, assumptions, advise to yourself.

The fact you can't be consistent on your views says it all. Your a little rat, with standars in the gutter. Now I've put your nonsense to rest. Il deal with old rat likes to celebrate things like spurs do.

 

[topspin]

No more posts from my part on these matters until the poster can factually prove what I said instead of resorting to straw man arguments.

From my perspective I have proven his dishonesty with the Auba non-slap, Edu flip-flop, lack of understanding around APT, same lack of knowledge surrounding what is allowed within FFP regs.

@Amjid Javed

Oh look, surprise surprise.

If I was you, I would be the last person on Earth to preach about honesty and flip flopping.

It is not a coincidence that other posters think the same about you.

 

[topspin]

@Amjid Javed

If this is what you are like with other posters all because there is a difference in opinion, I would hate to imagine what you are like in the real world.

In the last 48 hours you have gone after 2 other posters with your usual deranged nonsense.

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Amjid Javed

Oh look, surprise surprise.

If I was you, I would be the last person on Earth to preach about honesty and flip flopping.

It is not a coincidence that other posters think the same about you.

Oh here we go, you've conviently brought some irrelevant point up

We were discussing Arsenal performances in Europe. Feel free to counter the points I made, guess what you can't

I literally took apart your lame argument, and all you can now do is divert attention.

Facts are my views on Arsenal in Europe were consistently and I gave credit afterwards.

I don't care what you or anyone else on here thinks, I've been on here 21 years. I'm not here to kiss people's backsides like you.

The irony is you made comments on oddegard and then got peer pressured into changing you view. You lack of spine and bottle was exactly why I came after you, you went from being someone who had a view to being mamoons little lapdog.

Next time think very carefully before coming after me thinking your going to expose me, I'm always fully aware of whar I've said in past and present

Your standards and expectations of Arsenal are a lot lower then mine, that why you settle for progression and you roll out excuses. I've seen Arsenal win 5 league titles, numerous FA Cups etc. Win in Europe etc.. so again my standards aren't in gutter like yours.

So your so called "i have an agenda is hilarious"

My expectation is for Arsenal is that the club wins PLs, CLs and other trophies. Simple as that.

Right now Arteta and players have failed to do that. So I will demand a better manager and better players. If a new manager and players come in and don't delivered id want them gone to. Nothing personal, I want Arsenal to be successful.

Any time Arsenal win a trophy il give credit.

If Arsenal fail il criticise.

If the best you can now come up with is diverting attention to conversation I've had with other people. Then clearly shows you can't counter the response i gave you

All the funny personal jibes, about seek help, coke head are hilarious.

I've been here 20+ years. You think I've heard a lot worse on here and in real life. Il laugh it off.

Feel free to try and bully MK7Z or someone else. As your lame attempts with me failed.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Liverpool need just 3 points to win title, absolutely shameful and nonexistent title challenge from Arsenal

Liverpool can win title if they beat spurs next.

I'm sure the same low standard beggers that were begging for spurs to beat man city last season, will be doing the same the weekend.

We know atleast who 2 of those losers are

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Amjid Javed
Just relax your mind, enjoy the game today

Worry bout urself you senile excuse making loser.

Don't forget your spurs kit for Liverpool game, you can beg for them to do you a favour, just like you did last season.